I was hoping they would shop him around and try to get Tua. I normally wouldn't wish that evil upon Tua but anything to get Dwayne out of there.
If the rumors about Tua being expected to make a full recovery are true I think he's headed to Miami at 3 possibly. The way I see the first four picks shaking out are as follows:
1. Joe Burrow (Bengals)
2. Andrew Thomas (Redskins)
3. Tua Tagovailoa (Dolphins)-this depends on how his rehab goes, if he's not ready to go immediately they could pick Chase instead.
4. Chase Young (Jets)
I think the dolphins are in the prime spot to take a guy like tua (if they believe his injuries won’t hold him back) simply because they still have rosen and can resign fitzmagic for a season to tide them over. Gives tua a year to develop without having to be running for his life while the dolphins retool with all their draft picks.
I hope the jets win out this season simply so I don’t have to see chase young suit up for gang green
Given how Quinnen Williams has turned out for the Jets so far I would hate to see Chase go there as well. Chase is a good enough player however that he'll be an absolute stud wherever he goes in the NFL (though Adam Gase does have a history of treating talented players like shit as we saw in Miami). I'd love to see the Bengals take him but they have more pressing needs at QB and on the O-line.
I think there's still enough doubt about Tua's injury that he may have a precipitous drop in the draft. The nightmare scenario (which is VERY possible): Tua falls all the way to the end of the first round and is picked by...wait for it...New England. Belichick gets Brady's successor for pennies on the dollar and the dynasty lasts for another decade-plus.
Belichick gets his hands on a time machine and coaches for the next 20 years.
Even at New England, are we convinced Tua can hold up physically in the NFL? I’m not convinced... I hope I’m wrong because he seems like a good kid and he is obviously very talented
emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt
Not anytime soon. From what I understand Dan Snyder absolutely loves Haskins (partially due to him being an alum of Potomac which is also where Danny Boy went to HS). I think the Chargers are more likely to draft Rivers' replacement than make a trade for Haskins (I could see the Chargers ending up with someone like Jake Fromm, Jacob Eason, or Jordan Love). Also it would speak to how inept the franchise is if they were to give up on their first round QB after only one season.
Also it would speak to how inept the franchise is if they were to give up on their first round QB after only one season.
That's why I was hoping it was a possibility!
There are certain franchises in the NFL that are just doomed to always be trainwrecks. Sometimes small trainwrecks, sometimes really big ones, but always a mess. The Redskins are one of those. Haskins is going to have to wait a few years before he can escape, and I hope they don't ruin him in the process......
And I also hope that Haskins doesn't tear both ACLs in unison playing on that shitty field 8 times a year. That field has claimed the careers of both RGIII and Alex Smith already so I fear for Haskins.
My hope is they stick with him and let him develop. Build with him and TMac, the Bama dudes on defense.
The Redskins have a shit ton of problems, their rookie QB is not one of them.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Allen is too stubborn to trade him for a 2nd round pick, not that he should. Given how we've seen him mishandle the Trent Williams situation, we should expect more dumb decisions going forward.
Well while impossible to know what move Snyder makes, the TW situation went nuclear because Snyder didn’t like getting shown up in the media with his shitty medical staff accusations and then the holdout.
if Dwayne stays quiet and uses proper channels he might be able to get his way out of DC if he’s lucky. Or Snyder dies and whoever gets the team actually wants to do good.
The TW situation is all on Bruce Allen. Trent himself has said as much (he's said that he still has a good relationship with Snyder despite all of that). The problem is the entire reason Allen has as much power as he has is because he's Dan's biggest yes man in the organization. And Dan has shown himself to be more willing to keep his FO overloaded with yes men than actual competent football minds.
Haskins' only hope going forward is that the Trent fiasco drives a wedge between Dan and Bruce (since Trent has said that he still has a good relationship with Snyder and that Allen is primarily who his issues are with). Dan Snyder is a complete dumbass of an owner and a control freak but Bruce Allen is the real source of the problem in WAS right now. As long as he's making personnel decisions for the team few smart decisions are going to be made.
I think the Redskins just need to look inward and figure out the problems they've created for themselves by drafting terribly and choosing poorly in the FA pool. OBVIOUSLY this past draft they finally started hitting on some pieces, now develop those pieces, get them coached well, and do right by your rookie QB.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Number 1 thing they need to do is get out of Josh Norman's ridiculous contract. That contract is a massive albatross for them right now (and the Landon Collins contract isn't much better) and Norman hasn't even been good this season, much less elite. Too much cap space tied up in a guy who hasn't done shit for them on the field this year. Also they need to consider moving on from Ryan Kerrigan after this year (I know he's one of their team leaders and a mainstay with the team but he's not getting any younger and is less effective now than he used to be). Also obviously they need to say goodbye to overpriced veterans like AP and Vernon Davis this off-season and they need to move on from Jordan Reed as well (I don't see him ever playing football again with all the concussions he's had). Finally upgrade the O-line and WR corps (outside of T-Mac and Kelvin Harmon their WR corps is a complete joke right now).
I agree - if there is anyone to try and move, it's exactly some these veterans you've pointed out here. That's beyond Allen, who has mixed personal feelings with business (re: Kirk Cousins, Trent Williams) and hasn't been realistic on what to expect in trade.
Personnel management has been pitiful under Snyder...have to build through the draft. They had a solid couple of last drafts under Gruden, need to reset and try garner value now to built the future.
The biggest chunk of their contract money is with who you've listed - Norman, Reed, Davis, and adding in Brandon Scherff, Williams, Morgan Moses, and Matt Iaonnidis. Not to mention the guaranteed money due to Alex Smith, who still insists he's playing next year.
I can't understand that the Redskins have been impulsive in free agency in roster additions over the years, but they've frozen in the headlights at times in outgoing roster moves and hang onto players well past their prime (and going price).
Brandon Scherff is in a contract year and the team has expressed zero interest in re-signing him so far so his contract likely comes off the books no matter what in 2020 (and losing him makes their offensive line worse than what it already is given that he was one of the best guards in football prior to this season). Morgan Moses is just a given (he's been absolutely awful this year). The only current starting lineman I'd consider keeping around is Ereck Flowers since he's still fairly young. Obviously Donald Penn should be shot out of a cannon directly into the Potomac River at this point but you'd need one hell of a massive cannon barrel to make that work.
Doubt if Moses goes anywhere; seems he was recently extended and overpaid too!
Personally I’d take the cap hit and dumps some of these dudes; Redskins’ team in general and OLine specifically, are among the most penalized teams in the league.
Moses has been their worst lineman this season so you basically have to consider him dead money at this point.
Copy on Scherff, and they may as well move on...I'm not getting the vibe he wants to stay in DC.
Agree Moses regressed, but still feel he's an asset (if nothing else other than having a veteran presence on the line).
Flowers actually hasn't been as bad as I'd thought he would be, but he's also less exposed at guard than he was at tackle.
Penn is a well past his prime stop gap, supposedly to keep the LT spot down until Williams came back. Now the Redskins are going to have to address replacing Williams and Penn for next season.
Scherff is said to want $15M. If so, I’d do a “hard pass” on retaining him @ that amount.
1) Stephen Smith being wrong is like "sky is blue".
2) I hated that Washington took him. He would have been much better served learning for a year or 2, al la Aaron Rodgers.
3) He can be salvaged, he's shown flashes of what he can do but when the rest of the team doesn't care he can't really show his full arsenal of talents.
4) Unfortunately, He's stuck in Washington and do not believe that he'll be traded.
I bleed scarlet...literally
Trading a 1st round pick in his first year with a team, says that team made a terrible mistake in drafting that player.
Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.
Tbf the only reason the Cards took the approach they did is because of the pre-existing relationship between Murray and Kingsbury. If the Skins are smart (big if I know) they'll hire a head coach who is willing to work with Haskins and tailor the offense to fit his game (Jay Gruden's offense did not fit Haskins at all).
Unless the Bengals win a couple a games and the Skins subsequently jump them for the first overall pick they have next to no shot at Burrow. If the Skins are picking 2nd overall Burrow isn't likely to make it past the Bengals at 1.
Might the Bengals consider moving down a bit if the draft picks offered are significant? Getting Burrow when you have a ton of work to do on the O-Line, LB and secondary seems like you're wasting three years of his rookie contract and potentially getting him beat to a pulp. If you stink there's always another QB each draft that could become a francise QB under the right situation. While Burrow is good I don't see him as a generational talent by any means.
Could only hope, that team needs rake to at almost every position. Moving to 3 picking up a few picks and Chase Young or the vest OT(Thomas I believe) is best case scenario. But I have all the faith in the world that Mike Brown will screw this up.
The Bengals could do all that and improve the defense and O-line and it wouldn't matter because they'd still have Ryan Finley at QB holding them back (think what Pittsburgh and Chicago are dealing with right now). Finley would be a shitty QB even with an excellent team around him. I'm taking Dalton out of the equation here because I don't think he has a future in Cincy beyond this season regardless (he's 32 years old and his recent play doesn't warrant them investing in him long-term again). It just might make them win enough games to be out of range of taking Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields in 2021 though (which would be a problem). For that reason they're not going to trade out of the number 1 overall pick nor should they (and I think it's likely Burrow would be the choice). The Browns had these same questions in 2018 after they went 0-16 and had holes everywhere on the roster. That didn't stop them from taking Baker first overall. Every year the Bengals could use the excuse of "why draft a franchise QB first overall when we have bigger holes elsewhere." The reality is nothing is truly going to turn around UNTIL they properly reset at the QB position and this year is as good a time as any to do it because there's no guarantee that they'll be in this position again in a couple years. They could always draft Burrow, use the rest of the draft to fix the O-line and LBs, and have him learn behind Dalton for a year (that would be the right way to do it tbh).
if the Redskins got some big slobs in the trenches they would be tremendously better.
I hate he got drafted there. Wish he got drafted the Patriots. The media and some of the fans already killing him. He's a rookie that has to have time to grow. They just don't understand that and the dude wasn't even practicing with the ones untill Gruden left. He's getting the shit end of the stick. He's going to have to be mentally strong to get through that terrible franchise. I heard a reporter yesterday saying one ball he was suspose to check down is very concerning LOL. Dude take is trash and that dude think its an easy play to make with a shitty oline and dudes dropping passes. Thier take is dumb.
It's a shame Haskins wasnt traded to the Dolphins considering their recent fire sale. He could've gone to a good franchise. My fear with Haskins is this season stunts his growth and it takes him much longer or never to develop.
"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski
I'd hesitate to call the Dolphins a "good" franchise. They haven't been relevant at all since Marino retired and Stephen Ross is widely considered to be one of the dumbest and most incompetent owners in the League (plus he is an alum of TSUN but I digress lol). Their current GM, Chris Grier has done a good job of accumulating draft picks for the team this year but he has yet to be in charge of a draft room in his fledgling NFL executive career (the upcoming draft will be his first). For all we know he could turn out to be a Sashi Brown who is in over his head and whiffs on a buttload of picks. Let's see what the Phins do in this upcoming draft first before referring to them as a "good" organization. The last two coaching eras in Miami prior to Flores have absolutely reeked of dysfunction from top to bottom.
I agree, Miami is a dumpsterfire too. I was just pointing out that if Haskins had been originally drafted by Miami instead of Washington there's a good chance Miami would've traded/given him away for draft picks like they did Fitzpatrick and others in recent weeks. That mightve been the only way Dwayne could have landed on a better franchise at this stage.
He'd look good in Chicago.
Yes, he would. If Chicago's head coach wasn't Matt Nagy. I think Trubisky is a mediocre QB no question about it but Nagy's also done a terrible job in putting him in positions to succeed. That wouldn't change with Haskins under center (especially given the noted flaws we've seen in Dwayne's game this far).
There is too much blame on Mitch and not enough on Nagy, I'll concede there but Mitch has regressed to a point that he can't be trusted. He makes panicked decisions and loses composure. With that said Nagy doesn't take advantage of the things he can do and is trying to make him a pocket guy.
Haskins would fit better given his skill set and football IQ but regardless it's all fantasy land.
I'm not trying to put Dwayne down by any means but isn't one of the things he's been criticized for so far in Washington his football IQ and that he doesn't study the playbook enough? Granted this is the Redskins we're talking about, for all we know that could've been leaked by Jay Gruden early in the season since we know he wasn't fond of Haskins.
Bengals probably wished they had taken him now. Mike Brown somehow thought he had a playoff roster. Now they will be a year behind in rebuilding. Burrow or Young in the 1st. Maybe Hurts in the 2nd? I'd live for the Bengals to pick up Young and Haskins in the off season.
No fucking way to Jalen Hurts, he's an RGIII waiting to happen. He's the last QB I want in this draft as a "franchise player" him or Jake Fromm (who is basically another Dalton). The Bengals pretty much have to go with Burrow at this point given where they are picking and how Finley has looked so far. I wouldn't be opposed to taking Chase by any means (he definitely would be a franchise altering player) but if they do take him the focus for the rest of the draft should be to address the O-line and LB positions. If they don't take Burrow first overall I'm not taking a QB at all in this draft, I'm punting that need to 2021 in the hopes that they're in position to land Lawrence or Fields in that draft. But Hurts would be a terrible choice in the second round, his style of play will absolutely get him killed in the NFL.
Copy cat league. Brown may look at Kyler and Baker and say hey I got a bigger stronger version. That Baylor comeback really opened and changed my perspective on Hurts. Kid is a gamer.
Hurts is also a massive turnover machine and plays recklessly at times. Another reason why I don't want him. His success this year has been entirely due to Lincoln Riley's system. If the Bengals do go QB next year (and I think they will) Burrow is their best option. Hurts may be tough but he's one of the least likely QBs in this draft to succeed in the NFL. Hard pass on him.
Dalton still has another year on his contract and the Bengals should use that to win a few games and should they take Burrow, let him learn instead of being broken in half his first season. If not then trade Dalton this off season, Bengals have found their BACKUP QB, nothing more this season.
I don't mind keeping Dalton around to mentor Burrow next year (assuming he's willing to do that, he's made it clear he wants to start someplace). But neither Dalton nor Finley are the future for the Bengals at the QB position and who knows when the Bengals will be in position to draft a player like Burrow again (who could set them up well at QB for years). The only thing that should give them pause is the fact that Chase Young is also in this draft and he's a generational talent that doesn't come around often. They could pick him and he would likely instantly improve their defense but then they'd likely be caught in the same Purgatory Pittsburgh and Chicago are in right now with Rudolph and Trubisky. That's not an ideal place to be in the NFL.
I guess I see Burrow as another Dalton, a good top twenty QB that can win if you put enough around him but certainly not able to carry a team himself.
Looking at Walterfootball 2021 QB draft positions and found this so I decided to agree with you.
#8 Tate Martell*, QB, Miami
Height: 5-11. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2021): 4-6.
Burrow will be a much better QB than Dalton in the NFL IMO. If there's any QB in the 2020 class that compares to Dalton it's Jake Fromm. Burrow is far more confident throwing down the field than Dalton ever has been throughout his career (both NFL and in college). Dalton in many ways has overachieved in his NFL career because he was a former second round pick with not a whole lot of upside when the Bengals took him in 2011.
If not then trade Dalton this off season,
Who is trading for Dalton and his $17.5M price tag?
I'd take Simba here all day long!