Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah
You get me.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
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An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
You beat me to it.
Plus Waycracken might still be around
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You beat me to it. I loved Deshaun Watson
Not knocking our DL/LBs but Parsons would have been fun to watch moving around in both spots. Him + Chase would be scary AF
Completely forgot about him, wish we would've been allowed to still recruit him through the whole process.
I wonder what the whole attitude adjustment was that Franklin did by not starting him against Minnesota was. I'm sure he learned his lesson by missing one play.
Didn't Parsons and his dad publically bash Meyer and say that he broke their trust somehow after he committed to PSU? I seem to remember a Jackson Carman-type of situation happening during his recruitment.
I seem to remember posts about Parsons dad calling and trying to contact Meyer but Meyer never returned the calls.
The Song of Waycracken...Ryan Timmons.
Man...feels like someone is going to change their icon and make a thread about it soon.
Great minds, or something like that
Came back to say this.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel
Gary was who I was going to say, too. Just think of what LJ would have done with him and the Bosa's together. I think Gary would have been twice the player for the Buckeyes than he was at UM.
"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
That's non-joking choice.
Agree with this fully. Watson in Meyer's offense would have been spectacular.
"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
This is the only choice because it is the difference between us being Clemson and Clemson being Clemson the last four years. You trade QBs in that 2016 playoff game and I think the outcome is pretty similar going the other way.
With Watson at QB, we no joke could have won three national titles in a row: 2014 (with Watson still getting injured allowing Cardale to shine), 2015, and 2016.
This for sure. Honestly if you think about it Watson going to Ohio State instead of Clemson could have had a huge ripple effect on college football. It is very possible that Clemson would have not became what they have without Watson at the helm.
There are some good ones Marvin Wilson, Cam Akers, DPJ...
However, I like this team just how it is
Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick
My pick as well. That kid in our offense would have been filthy.
Fields of Dreams
Ill add Stefon Diggs as an alternative to this equal choice. we should have had him.
Would've been cool to see Christian Kirk in the Scarlet and Gray. Guy had a great career at TAMU.
"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman
TMW you didn't realize someone you remember being recruited is already in the pros... Wow. These names are killing me. I remember following recruiting much more closely back then and now almost all of them are already done and through college.
This one isn't really about us gaining wealth but rather stealing the lack of it from TTUN, Donovan Peoples Jones. He's one of two reliable targets in this new spread offense for them.
This would be my choice after Deshaun Watson.
DPJ in our offense would be nasty, and Michigan would probably have lost 2-3 more games the last two seasons without him.
Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
Jordan Hicks, while not much of a star he would’ve been a significant upgrade to our roster at the time.
This one. Man that would have been terrifying.
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Anyone around here ever heard of Mecole Hardman?
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Uhhhh he started for Georgia his freshman year and had a td in the title game and starts for the Chiefs now as a rookie. Was a 5 star coming out and the #1 athlete in the country.
I assume you weren't around for all 4,658 threads that were started about him on 11W.
I was not, I apologize for the hasty response lol.
No worries MG, it's all good, didn't mean to sound curt, if I did. Hardman was a fan favorite here during his recruitment, at hyper levels - good forum post, brings back lots of guys who almost wore the scarlet & gray.
imagine the RB talk about this current class but add some thermonukes to the energy level
I think the threads about him a few years ago burned him into our memory. Is he still a silent commit? LOL
Deshaun Watson was the one guy I really wanted & then ironically Justin Fields, the fact that he ended up at OSU still makes me chuckle.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
I watched the first 2 seasons of "QB1". I despised Tathan and loved Fields. He was a beast, but i liked that he was a very normal down to earth kid. Watching his dad get on him to mow the lawn and do his homework, made me liek him more.
Very happy he is here!
On that show tate was def portrayed as a douchey-jock ....the way he would say he would get his dad to buy him a car and all that was pathetic...silver spoon child
legit was happy he transferred out...didnt want him at osu to begin with from a culture/maturity standpoint
100% on the same page. I watched and kept waiting to find some redeemable qualities to like Martell...but I unfortunately came away empty.
Fields was very confident but was very calm and thoughtful. He’s a high character, high IQ guy that will probably be a really great NFL QB in the future.
Going back aways, but if big Dru Humphrey doesn't tragically pass away, Tress might have won back to back titles. What a run that could have started (not that the one they had wasn't exceptional).
Stephon Diggs and/or Christian Kirk also would have been great gets.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
"We talkin' about practice?!" -Allen Iverson 2002
Rondale Moore. Can you imagine him in our offense right now (as if it couldn't possibly get any scarier)? Considering what happened with Terrelle Pryor landing Tajh Boyd instead of Kenny Guiton back in 2009 would've been nice as it would've given us better fallback at options at QB in 2011 when Pryor was no longer here (Boyd was already starting at Clemson by that point). I'm not dismissing Guiton or Braxton Miller by any means as they were good players for us but Kenny wasn't ready to play in 2011 and Braxton was a true freshman which unfortunately opened the door for Bauserman that year. Having Boyd on the roster would've been beneficial as he was clearly more ready to play than Guiton was back then (people forget Guiton didn't turn into the player we saw in 2012 and 2013 until Herman came in and got him to shape up).
did we ever recruit Kalil Mack? It seems odd that he ended up in Buffalo and not a better school, he could not possibly have been a sleeper either at his size and development.
Not that I'm aware of. He was a 2* recruit with no major offers. I still remember him outrunning Braxton on an INT return and thinking 'who the hell is THAT guy???'
I believe while he was at OSU, Taylor Decker was asked in an interview who the best player he ever played was and he said Mack.
What a game to have your first collegiate start haha. It only gotten easier after facing Mack.
It was clear that Mack was the best player on the field that day.
I had the same reaction when I saw him play - he looked like the biggest guy on the team
Marvin Wilson, I’ll never forget when the picture of him and Larry Johnson standing next to one another was posted. Another is Deshaun Watson, man.. I don’t even need to explain.
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Definitely Stefon Diggs or Deshaun Watson.
Stefon Diggs is a good mention. Pretty sure it came down to OSU and hometown Maryland. Guy was a great college player that dealt with some injury issues and a whole lot of instability at QB but still produced. 3,918 all-purpose yards in only 28 games with not much talent around him.
Agree with Deshaun Watson. Would have completely changed college football as no way Clemson wins a title without him.
I remember Meyer pushing hard for Deshaun Watson, that would have been an amazing get.
I also remember Rashard Lawrence having some legit interest before picking LSU back when DT was a real shakey spot in recruiting, that also could have been a big swing potentially since he is a senior at LSU this year and we seem to be on a collision course with each other.
Luke Kuechly. Our lbs during that team were not very good and he was from Ohio. Don't know how he got away without even an offer.
Are you talking about the sanction year? We had a young Shazier on the team at the time so the LBs were definitely a work in progress but having Kuechly wouldn't have helped with the depth issues we had at LB in 2012 when Storm Klein got kicked off the team and Zach Boren was moved from FB to LB (Kuechly entered the Draft in 2012). That being said Kuechly would've been a nice player no doubt. Seeing him play earlier in his career next to the likes of Ross Homan and Austin Spitler would've been a sight to see.
In fairness, she still hasn't committed.
My first choice is DeShaun Watson but he's already been mentioned a few times.
So, I am going with Antoine Winfield Jr.
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Watson feels like the pretty obvious answer here, outside of how things regressed on the defensive side, culminating in last year, QB play under JTB was the biggest thing holding us back against the elite teams.
Justin Boren (thanks for him RichRod). /s
Damn you. I thought I was being smart, but you outsmarted me by 2 minutes.
Colonel Mustard ?
2 of them for me. Minkah Fitzpatrick & Christian Kirk.
Offense: Christian Kirk or Stefon Diggs
Defense: Carlton Davis or Porter Gustin
Porter Gustin would have been a beast in our defense. Instead he chose to play for Sark who ended up getting fired anyways and went undrafted. I don't have a time machine but I'm willing to bet under coach Johnson, Gustin would have been a 1st or 2nd round pick making millions more. Oh well.
Yeah I think at Ohio State he would have been on the D Line but he was super athletic at 265lbs. and played LB for USC. Just imagining him with Nick Bosa and Chase Young albeit early would have given offenses nightmares even if Ohio State put him at LB.
But he was definitely one of those "what could have beens?"
Hunter Renfrow. Rumor has it that he still has eligibility playing on a FCS roster and he’s going by Rusty Henbow
Woodson. Ohio native. He gets the rivalry. He was a great player.
The Browns are back in contention for being the worst franchise in all of professional sport.
How did he get up there anyway? Don’t recall his recruitment.
Coop was head coach at the time and he wasn't big into recruiting Ohio and locking down the state.
Woodson's brother is to blame. He grew up a Michigan fan and passed that on to Charles.
That was definitely partially to blame but Cooper was also VERY negligent when it came to in-state recruiting (though he was an effective out of state recruiter). Case in point the Ryan Brewer fiasco (which was one of the reasons why Coop lost his job after the 2000 season). I mean, family doesn't always dictate the shots. Take the Borens for example. Their dad played at Michigan (which is why Justin chose to commit there at first despite the family being from Worthington) but once Justin transferred to OSU and his brothers followed him the entire family became full-fledged Buckeyes.
May as well blame Cooper for his brother being a Michigan fan too...since they took us to the woodshed basically every year he was the coach.
Derrick Green. I'm still sour we had to settle for Zeke.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
He owes me 260 bucks vacation pay, and he won't fuckin' pay that, so I figured a handful of chips wasn't too much to ask.
Pretty certain that The Buckeyes do not lose a single game from 1995-1997 with him on the other side of Shawn Springs 95 & 96 and then Antione Winfield 97.
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
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God, can you imagine him on the defensive line with the likes of Nick Bosa, Sam Hubbard, Tyquan Lewis, and Jalyn Holmes? That's one hell of a Rushmen package.
Garrett was 2012 recruiting class, he wouldn'thave played with the players you mentioned. OSU was his second choice, that year we signed Noah Spence and Aldophus Washington. Garrett would have lined up with Joey Bosa though which is unfair to the rest of CFB. It would be like have Chase Young and Nick Bosa (sheds a single tear)
That'll be 5 dollars
Garrett was drafted first overall in 2017 so he would've played with both of the Bosas at different points in time (Nick arrived in 2016, Hubbard, Holmes, and Lewis were already here and established).
Jaylon Smith. Was hoping he'd join his brother.
People have already mentioned Kirk and Hardemon. So I'll add some new ones:
I wonder if we would hate Kyle Kalis if he hadn't committed to TTUN in 2012? Kid was a good player out of St. Ed's in Lakewood. The whole interim coach thing kind of scared him north, though.
Jordan Hicks in 2010.
Tommy Kramer and Liam Eichenberg in 2016 would have been good offensive line additions.
Richard LeCounte III - imagine him and Wade in the same class.
Trust me! I'm an Engineer.
You know Okudah was in Wade's class, right?
I think that's what he meant - imagine if they got both of them in the same recruiting class.
Fred Davis would have been a great TE!
That’s my answer too! Really wish we’d gotten Fred Davis.
Ohio boy Desmond Howard.
We now have all this information available for recruiting. Now all the recruiting services rank kids by state. We can access it all recruits in the country on the internet in 20 seconds. Ohio State fans probably would've been appalled at the number of Ohio kids heading north during the John Cooper years. Most of us didn't realize, because we didn't know.
All post 2002 when recruiting became easier to follow and guys who had OSU in their top 5 at some point:
Wasn't it Urban Meyers dreams that got Sharrif Floyd to Florida?
I really liked him also. That darn Urban Meyer!
Let me drop another one no one has mentioned yet, Gronk. Could you imagine him in our old double tight end offense.
I wonder if they would have actually utilized Gronk...
Probably would have beefed him up and made him a left tackle.
Considering the endless shade Carman has thrown at OSU and Meyer ever since he went to Clemson I don't think we missed out on much with him. OSU only responded to missing out on him by turning around and snatching NPF away from Michigan. Also is Liam Eichenberg related to current OSU LB commit Tommy Eichenberg by chance (that's not a very common last name)?
If they aren't, I'd be a bit shocked. Both from St Ignatius and look a hell of a lot alike to me.
Emmitt Smith. (Yeah, TOSU was in the mix).
Another one is Darnay Holmes, would've had him, Okudah, Wade, Sheffield, Brendon White, Marcus Williamson, and Amir Riep all in the same class. I do think we may have a shot to get him if he does transfer from UCLA.
Joe Namath - Woody didn't have a spot for him so he called Bear Bryant because he didn't want Namath playing against him in the Big Ten. The rest is history.
Not having Watson and Rondale Moore likely cost OSU national titles or at least the shot at one last year.
Having Rondale Moore wouldn't have fixed OSU's defensive problems last season.
No, but it probably would have kept them from losing to Purdue. Could have won a shootout in the playoffs.
Rondale Moore was NOT the sole reason we lost that game. OSU couldn't stop anybody in Purdue's offense, it wasn't just Moore (and Haskins throwing a crippling pick 6 didn't help). Moore being on the OSU sideline doesn't change Schiano approaching that game defensively like a complete dumbass. OSU's defense got lit up by much less talented players than Moore throughout the season last year.
We had no problem moving down the field as well until reaching the redzone. Not being able to create holes for the running back and not having a QB threaten with his legs hurt the offense that game. I think that was the game most fans gave up on Dobbins too early because of his struggles.
Almost sacrilege to picture, but the pains of 1995, 1996, and 1997 would be joys instead and I'd argue OSU would have been on the verge of 3 straight titles 1996-1998 with Woodson (and as much as anything with Woodson out of our way).
1995: Biaka&%^$$^$tuka was the name pinned to the loss, but Woodson actually had two picks. Undefeated OSU goes on to play our PAC foe, #17 USC in the Rose Bowl with a potential shot at a shared NC at stake, though doubtful given Nebraska's dominance. With a second straight year of an undefeated, Rose Bowl champion Big Ten missing a title share, the BCS and/or playoff come sooner.
1996: OSU scores more than 9 points vs TTUN without Woodson in the defensive backfield and defeats ASU to win the NC.
1997: Worth it for nothing else, that we'd never have to watch the punt return and Rose-in-teeth head nod. TTUN never wins their lone 1/2 claim to a National Title since 1948. OSU wins The Game and very arguably might have defeated PSU as well. Instead of getting bowled over by FSU, the Bucks defeat Wazzou either way (and with a win vs PSU it's for a 2nd-straight NC).
In basketball, LBJ.
In addition to everything you stated, us getting Woodson would have denied UM an all time great, and their last title would be in the 40's.
This isn't exactly HS recruiting but was OSU ever in the mix for Russell Wilson when he transferred from NC State to Wisconsin in 2011? They knew after the 2010 season ended that Pryor was going to be facing a suspension in 2011 after all and Russ is from Cincinnati originally. Can you imagine what the 2011 season would've been like with Russell Wilson at QB? Considering multiple losses were due to Joe Bauserman that year somehow I don't think the team finishes with a below .500 record for the first time in God knows how long.
Sign the best. Screw the rest. Don’t cry over the past.
No one is crying just thought it would be a fun topic.
2 New ones...
Ben Roethlisberger would have been nice except we offered him as a tight end despite breaking every single season Ohio HS QB record and he told us to fuck right off and became a first round pick in the god damn MAC.
We also offered Lamar Jackson...but he didn't seem to love us back. But could you imagine what he would have looked like in the Urban offense?
Drushaun Humphry. I know we didn't lose him to another school, but we lost him in the worst way...RIP, and oh what could have been.
Yep. That year (2002 class) he was the #1 rated prospect n Ohio. The #2 prospect? That was some guy named Maurice Clarett.
He was as big and faster than clarett... he was going to rule the backfield...what a terrible..terrible loss.
From back in the day? Randy Moss. His brother Eric played for Cooper in the early 90s, and I don't remember if his experience soured Randy on coming here. Either way, he was the best pure WR talent I can ever remember seeing, and I always found it odd that he never even considered us.
Recently? Deshaun Watson picking Clemson still smarts, particularly considering what he did to us in Glendale. It worked out pretty well for him, though.
My faint memory of Moss was that he had severe grade issues and had trouble getting eligible.
and staying eligible as judged from stints at FSU and Marshall
Moss didn’t have grade issues, he had legal and marijuana issues. ND stopped recruiting him after some kind of fight/incident, Bowden kicked him off the team at FSU for weed.
I'm really glad I got to see Moss play a bunch at Marshall when I lived in Huntington. I was about 12/13 years old at the time but I remember it vividly. He was a man amongst boys.
I know he wasn't highly rated but Luke Keuchly. Great player and Ohio boy.
John Hannah, Red Grange, Anthony Munoz, Ronnie Lott, Billy Sims. Earl Campbell..
Myles Garrett. Having him and Joey Bosa would be like having Chase Young and Nick Bosa... :[
He seems like a good kid too /s
I always wonder about Bernie Kosar from Cleveland area...I dont recall much about him at all..just wondering..
The "Boardman Rifle" was from Boardman, Ohio -- a suburb of Youngstown, Ohio -- he is a 'Y-Town Boy', not Cleveland....
Former Buckeye Center Corey Linsley's H.S. also...Boardman Spartans..
Charles Woodson for me too.