Don’t listen to the lunatic fringe.
Facts don’t lie.
No one operates in the gray area better than Gene. Sadly OSU has had it's share of incidents and while avoidance is the best policy, damage control is a good second place. While the takes have been hot, what has OSU really lost? Meyer for three games in a 1 loss campaign, Chase for two games in a probable national title run.
It may not look pretty but Gene is seemingly unflappable and generally speaking Ohio State comes out the other end much to the dismay of their naysayers.
Gene Smith is the perfect AD for the world in which we find ourselves.
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In addition to embarrassment at the “fiascos” Ohio State has also lost Tressel, the Tat5, a full season on the record books and a subsequent post season in lieu of a meaningless Gator Bowl. But you could easily argue the football program has been falling upwards each time. I think the crap perception stems mostly from the fumbled press conferences and the poor PR statements. Otherwise Gene has built a machine. Not that Geiger left the place in shambles but Gene has done amazingly behind the scenes in adapting the athletic department and keeping OSU on the sporting forefront across the board. I don’t credit him for hiring Urban - that was a gift - but I do credit Gene for stabilizing the biggest and best athletics department in the country. That success has directly impacted the university in a positive manner in dollars, student caliber and overall branding.
He’s had a few bad pressers but otherwise i agree that Gene is a phenomenal AD in this current era.
I think this is where the Gene Smith haters come from. For all the great hires he's had, there always seems to be an * with them. He fell into Urban, he got lucky that Urban found Ryan Day (just speculation, for all I know Gene had the final approval on Day). And although he got Holtmann, he also kept Thad on WAYYYYYY too long despite bad records and poor health.
I also believe that ever since Tat-Gate he's been incredibly afraid to take a stand against the NCAA. He was just as involved in the ZS crap as Urban was.
I have no issue with Gene Smith, but I can also see the other side.
I still have a bone to pick with Gene on how he handled "Tatgate" and not self imposing the bowl ban after the 6-6 season, eliminating us from the final BCS NC game and a chance to kick Irish ass on national TV in Urban's first year. But hindsight is always 20/20. With that said, he has done a remarkable job running the athletic department.
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I agree with you on Tatgate. May have cost us a National Championship for the Taxslayer Bowl. Outside of that, Gene has been great
Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah
Gene knew Urban was the next coach, and he still went to the Taxslayer Bowl. Why on God's green Earth would you "possibly" handicap your brand new 2 time NC winning coach?!?!? As it turned out, he not only handicapped Urban, but he boned the entire university out of a championship. He made a mistake, but it was a doozy.
Like I said before, he has done a wonderful job, but that was a big mistake. And I told him that when I talked to him at a Buckeye Club event during Urban's first season. I reminded him of the email I had sent him and E.G.G. the previous year to self impose the bowl ban the 6-6 season.
What did he say?
Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!
I was also critical of that, but I think Gene rolled the dice because they wanted to reward the team with a bowl trip after enduring the fall of Tressel.
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Hindsight makes everything clear, doesn't it? It was a calculated risk (based on precedent and belief there would be no bowl ban) that very few people would care about if they hadn't gone undefeated the following year.
Don't judge me because I'm quiet. No one plans a murder out loud.
I think you are right Gordo, he was in a no win situation. It is quite possible the NCAA would have given us another year no matter what. (Bosa shrug)
He’s been such a savvy operator otherwise, I can’t attribute that decision to bumbling.
No, it wasn't bumbling. I just think that doing a preemptive ban might have been better. That team was the walking dead, just finish the season and move on. Don't prelong it for another month.
Other than that decision he has been a very good, if not excellent, athletic director.
Doc, What did he say when you talked to him and reminded him of the email? Would love to hear his comments
That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
KS, it was underwhelming. He said it was a gut decision and a calculated risk that he and the other advisers agreed to. Typical corporate speak.
EVERYONE DOES!! Geez, we have to let that go at some point, the good has incredibly outweighed the bad. It's not like we've hard to resort to giving away football tickets for Coke.
I bleed scarlet...literally
You can’t self impose a bowl ban after you already saw you went 6-6. That’s an absolutely laughable “punishment”. If you actually want credit for it you need to announce it before the season.
FWIW, Doc, I think the Buckeyes still get banned for the 2012 bowl season. And TBH, if you look back at the stats and records, I'm not convinced the 2012 Buckeyes beat either Bama or ND. Withers was still the CO-DC, and they had a lot of close games, especially the OT games against unranked Wisconsin and unranked Purdue. The OOC schedule was cupcake city, and the only P-5 team they held below 21 points was Sparty. That defense was no bueno.
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I think they would beat ND, but they would get blown out by Bama.
Navy, how ya been?
Bama would not have gone to the NC game, we would have. Secondly, that ND team, like all others in the 2000's was drastically over rated. We would have woodshedded them just like Tuscalucifer did.
Doing OK, Doc. Working thru some healt issues and paying for two college tuitions. But the Bucks are about to have their eight consecutive 10-win season, and I've been to three games so far. I got zero complaints.
I hope all goes well for you health wise and good luck with two tuitions. I've been to Wisky and will be at PSU this year, and if all goes well the B1G Championship.
With Veteran's Day being this week, I just wanted to give you, and all our service men and women, a heart felt "Thank You". Your sacrifices and service to our wonderful nation can never be thanked enough. May God Bless you all.
Thanks, brother. Much appreciated.
Also, looking back, it seems pretty clear the Big 10 as a whole was a step behind, rated by most 4th or 5th among conferences. Urban really raised the bar and is largely responsible for its competitive rise since then.
Urban Meyer and Thad Matta were arguably the 2 most successful coaches in the 2 most high profile sports. In the last few years, both have left, and Smith has hired coaches that in the short, have made both of those programs better so far.
I ultimately feel that his legacy will be on that he tried his best to advocate for the student-athlete, and he always wanted the best for the program itself. I mean, it's a tough job, a big-time balancing act with the futures of so many important people under his umbrella.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
My only question for people who think Gene Smith doesn’t do things right, or do enough, have you already forgotten Andy Geiger?
have you already forgotten Andy Geiger
That dude set the standard for chucklefuckery in the AD world, at least until TSUN and Dave Brandon said "hold my beer"
Shandy is not beer
Yep. Geiger made exactly two smart decisions when he was at OSU (and he was at OSU for 11 years). Hiring Jim Tressel to coach football and hiring Thad Matta to coach basketball. Other than that he was a complete joke as an AD and got the school in trouble on numerous occasions.
For all the Gene naysayers complaining about the way this was handled let me ask you a question. How would Andy Geiger have handled this? Given what happened with Clarett I'm thinking a very public feud with Chase would've been in order if he were still AD. Needless to say we're lucky to have Gene.
How would Andy Geiger have handled this?
He would have inexplicably provoked Chase Young into a public pissing match
He's not an I dotter. Gene just wouldn't fit that space.
I know exactly what people's issue with Smith is and I feel others know as well. I feel its the same issue they have with Michael Drake. I attended and graduated from Ohio State 17 years ago so I've seen several Presidents and Athletic Directors and believe me when I tell you that NONE OF THEM have had as much scrutiny from fans (note that I did not say students or alumni) as these two men.
Exactly. Saw the same types of comments in the article announcing the new B1G Commissioner. Tells you all you need to know.
Ohhh man wow. I never thought of that for all three. Coming from a younger generation maybe that is why. Outside of what happened in August of 2018 I think Drake has done a decent job. Gene I think has been amazing. I also look forward to Delaney's replacement, I did read up on him and man is he impressive.
But man if what you are eluding to is true, I will be very disappointed in fellow fans, alumni and anyone else if their criticism is for that reason. It even besmirches what our great state stood for.
End soapbox. GO BUCKS BEAT RUTGERS
Gordon Gee took just as much abuse as Drake does, somehow you seemed to overlook him though. Thats the problem with agenda driven conclusions I guess.
Absolutely, that talking bow-tie went out of his way to find piles of shit to step in.
EGG, to me was approachable and relatable. Drake comes across as aloof and not caring about sports. EGG knew football was a necessary "evil" to help raise truckloads of cash.
My only complaint about Gene Smith is his willingness to alter and sell our traditions plus make Ohio Stadium look like some southern tourist trap with smoke and sparklers and styrofoam columns, plus everything not nailed down is named after somebody no one knows Smith ushered in the alternative uniform craze to the point of absurdity.
Smith ushered in the alternative uniform craze to the point of absurdity.
I would argue Oregon/Chip Kelly started that. But the players these days are into that so it doesn't bother me all that much.
I'm speaking about Ohio State, not Oregon. Once again, if players are making decisions which include alt uniforms, then how do so many schools that don't dress up for their biggest fames like rodeo clowns recruit at or near the same level we do.
And I was pointing out that Oregon is to blame for starting this fad, not Gene Smith. I’d also argue that the alternate uniforms fall more on the coaches, and what they want, than the AD. At the end of the day, is it really that big of a deal? As long we we win they could wear Viking helmets and ballerina tutus and I’d be happy.
Very rarely do I agree with Cincy (though he is my favorite ESPN defender *tongue in cheek*) but the alternate uniforms are 100% the coaches and 100% Oregon to blame. But the kids love them so keep them coming. I wish we would stick with tradition but if it gets more recruits looking at tOSU then so be it, I'll deal.
everything not nailed down is named after somebody no one knows
Those people no one knows give millions to OSU and are the reason we have the best facilities and biggest budget. You need to spend money to win games and selling naming rights are an easy way to get $.
Harbaugh is Michigan, Michigan is Harbaugh. They are together the ultimate con.
Exactly, I'll never understand why people complain about naming rights.
Gene's done a lot of good at OSU, he's also dropped the ball a few times. My 2 issues with him revolve around the Gator Bowl and the fact that he won't hesitate to sacrifice someone to the PC mob. He's got Football and Basketball rolling here though, and hopefully has his successor currently on staff.
Would UFM fit, not so sure, long as the family hires were throughly screened, and most all decisions were by committee.
Owning. skunk. weasels. Is. Tradition.
Well UFM hired the current HC, so I'd say he's got the resume for it already.
Yes but Gene was his overseer, probably trustees etc.
Gene Smith is the best AD in the country outside of maybe Bernard Muir at Stanford. His ability to hire the right coaches in primary programs, secondary programs, and tertiary programs is unmatched. The lack of bowl ban after 6-6 is the one blemish on his resume, and that is ancient history.
Gene has been the best AD at the Ohio State University in my lifetime. I disagreed with his handling of the 2011 bowl game but that doesn’t mean I am right.
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I could've typed that myself. Absolutely spot on MT.
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Put in another topic but it belongs here...Great basketball team win... Mean Gene may have some critics but the hires of Day and Holtmann sets OSU up for a decade of dominance in football and basketball. Younger guys may not get it...but just spoke with an old timer...his doc took away his car keys, but his eyes lit up when he talked about his Buckeye. It is why we are what we are.
Look to the future, it is very bright.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
Does anyone think the university might name a building after him once his tenure is up? They Did it for Lynn St. John...
I know there’s already the Eugene D. Smith Leadership Institute, but would his name deserve to be placed on the outside of an arena?
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
He has done a great job in one of the largest crucibles to work in. Accolades for all his efforts and accomplishments are deserved. I say PDM, Pay Da Man! But, let's not jump the shark to Dotting the i while he is still in the job.
The Marching Band (TBDBITL) should hold onto the honor and give it out as little as possible. When a non-band member dotting the I becomes an annual event at Ohio Stadium, then it loses its place.
The hard thing is to let an AD dot the i. The easy thing is to not let and AD dot the i.
Hate Gene because he went to ND, but I gotta admit, he's a hell of a business man. He's been talking about declining football attendance nationwide for several years and the wifi upgrade was in response to that.
Now, Drake: that guy is a twit. Great speaker and kind of funny, but he bows to and kisses the ass of every liberal movement there is.
Free Tibetian enslaved gerbils? sure, send em money and give em OSU scholarships....
The largest athletic program in the country, consistently in the top 3 for revenue, many sports consistently competing for national titles.. Sure there have been some snafu's but who could run it better?
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Someone please refresh this old guy's memory concerning the athletic teams we have competing.
Last number I can recall is 36 or 38, men and women's intercollegiate sports.
Next, how do we compare to the rest?
Just number wise, it's a given that TOSU is the best.
Born and bred a Buckeye - Buckeye 'til I die
Why did Gene lie and say the tip on Chase Young did not come from Maryland or Penn State? The fact is, because the tip came from an anonymous letter to Ohio State, he doesn't know if it Was someone at either Maryland or PSU who sent it. So why lie about it and say it wasn't them? Just say you don't know who sent it, but there is no evidence that Maryland or PSU sent it, if that is the message you wish to convey.