Desmond Howard Disrespects Chase Young

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

sidenote: I know the cat that's in that meme (like not personally, but I'm internet friends with the owner) 

The cat's name is Smudge

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

We all do. We all do. 

I think fame has been tough on the little guy, he doesn't understand why the blonde lady is yelling at him. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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High St Heismans's picture

DESMOND HOWARD DISRESPECTS CHASE YOUNG

Not to his FACE

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

Yeah. Howard is stupid, but not THAT stupid.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

You may be underestimating his level of stupid. 

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Dillon G's picture

Chase needs to choke a bitch. 

#walkaway

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DiasporaBuck's picture

...named Desmond Howard

OSU Class of 1999

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

.named Desmond Howard Shea Patterson

FIFY

jebes Michigana

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SilverHaven's picture

Des disrespects himself every time he uses his stumbling, bumbling tongue.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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stxbuck's picture

Desmond Howard just disrespected the value of a scUM degree with that idiocy.

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buckeyerose's picture

How in god's name did he get a degree from scUM or anywhere?  I mean I question that fact everytime he opens his mouth or strikes a stupid pose.  He is in fact the definition of BUMJUICE!  

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Dillon G's picture

Michigan has fraudulent academics whenever they need to do it. 

#walkaway

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

True. Even Jim Harbaugh said that when he was the coach at Stanford.

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Sims_tOSU's picture

That’s some racist shit right there... questioning almost chases smarts bc he’s Black? I get loving a certain team but there comes time this man needs to be called out for some stupid stuff. 

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LCT's picture

Yep. Very racist and he should be fired immediately. I'm not kidding.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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kmp10's picture

Absolutely. Had Herbstreit (or any white analyst) said verbatim what Howard said, he would be immediately terminated. Immediately. Desmond Howard, imo, is the worst analyst of all time, and that is not hyperbole, it's my genuine and sincere sentiment. I'd rather listen to Beth Mowin do play by play that listen to Howard say one syllable... and the sound of Mowin's voice makes me want to gack. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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GINNandjuice's picture

Wow, now that says a lot 

All Glory is Fleeting

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

Meth Bowens for the win lol

You can judge a civilization or lack thereof, by the way mankind treats the wildlife Ghandi

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Dstacify's picture

I'd rather listen to Booger McFarland talk on live air about how you're not a real man in the NFL until you've pissed yourself in the middle of a game than listen to anything Desmond has to say.

11 Strong.

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OSU56's picture

Likes

Classless Chump

Terminated

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

L-C-C-T? Sounds about right. I'll allow it.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

My first thought as well. Between this and his “choke a bitch” comment on Gameday, Howard has shown that he’s completely tone deaf. At this point he’s a liability to ESPN. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

That crap he spews may go in the crib, but not on national television.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

“Crib”...Hmnnn.  Not surprised.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

He's a liability to the whole human race.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives among us.  

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Extramedium's picture

They just need to reboot College Game Day with an entirely new cast at this point

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stxbuck's picture

No doubt. Don Cherry just got fired for saying Canadian immigrants should wear remembrance pins for Canada's version of Memorial/Veterans Day and this shit comes out of Howard’s piehole w/out any rebuke. Messed up media world.

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buckinmich's picture

"No black man under the age of 25 understands what a loan is".  Makes me wonder how many 'loans' Desmond took while he was under the age of 25, which includes his entire time at _ichigan.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

LCT, you and I argue alot...but that...That is your most spot on take of all time.

I'm currently hoisting a beer in your name at the Bottlehouse.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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LCT's picture

I just took a swig of Winter Lager preceded by "to TNB, that sonofabitch."

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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The Rill Dill's picture

Should be fired. He got Torg fired for less. 

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LCT's picture

Here's the test. Would The Rill Dill get fired for saying this on TV? No question about it.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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LandonTruckedCollins's picture

I'd be surprised if Rill Dill even lasted this long on TV.

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LCT's picture

Rill Dill would get fired on his first day. But that's not the point.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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cajunbuckeye's picture

Rill Dill would exit the studio the same way Marcus Hall exited the big house...

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

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SilverHaven's picture

I say it's no Big Dill.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

I wish Howard would die so I can watch Gameday again.  - Turg

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buckeyenut74's picture

Pure TTUN. That’s how they roll up there. 

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Buckabroad's picture

I'm sure TTUN fans are very proud of Howard right now. /s

Why exactly has ESPN not fired him yet? 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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PhillyNut's picture

Howard is a douche, plain and simple. Always was, always will be.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Fire him!!@! ESPN looks so stupid with a fool like him.
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Buck911's picture

That was a little over the top...

He is not the reason ESPN looks so stupid.

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The Rill Dill's picture

HIRING him made them look stupid.

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tripol's picture

That was my first thought.  Maybe Desmond didn't know anything about loans and how they work, but Chase apparently did because he paid it back.  Could it be that, unlike Chase Young, Desmond lacks the character to repay his debts?  

Tripol

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Wargor's picture

I'd have to charitably believe that at least used to be the case, back when he was a college athlete.  

A fair question for him would be to ask about what loans from his time as a student athlete he had, and whether they are repaid.  Then perhaps any specifics on other student athletes he was in close contact with and any unpaid loans they may have had.  

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Pretty low.  And ironically, racist.

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BUCKfutter's picture

the soft racism of low expectations. disgusting, des

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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Brutus865's picture

It’s amazing how espn even lets him have a voice.. I bet this makes him want to choke a bitch..

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Shayla39's picture

Or maybe sing his school's fight song with Nick Lachey in the shoe!

Total disgrace.

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YoungBossBuckeye's picture

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Our objective is simple: to make the state of Ohio proud. 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Desmond should've removed for violating society's commenting policy.

Stay classy, Des. Your TTUN education is betraying you.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Buckeye24's picture

Herbie say that he would loose his job!

Artthedart

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The Rill Dill's picture

Except ‘Herbie’ will have Desmond’s back.

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Wargor's picture

Then Herbie (who I like) should have to answer whether he thinks the black part refers to being ignorant of loans or just the lack of integrity about paying them back.  

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LABuckeye's picture

People have lost their jobs on television for saying less inflammatory things.

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saintstephen11's picture

Like Don Cherry this past week.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

"He said he took a loan - cultural Wednesday - RC, Dom, they will second this - Black student-athletes under the age of 25 don't know anything about loans. They borrow money with the intentions to never pay it back."

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youra6's picture

I would wife Kristen Bell so hard. 

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Hovenaut's picture

I don't even care she's from M...igan.

Oh, and fuck Desmond Howard (from Ohio).

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

I've said the same thing about Lucy Liu (another scum grad).

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

That take is:

Shandy is not beer

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youra6's picture

OSU Axis of Evil

1.Mark May

2.Clay Travis

3.Desmond Howard

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Dstacify's picture

Add Rex Ryan and Brett McMurphy to that list. Hell Rex should take May's spot as he's sort of taken over May's antagonistic role towards OSU. May actually has admitted that OSU is one of the top teams in the country this year.

11 Strong.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Rex Ryan just likes putting feet in his mouth, even if they're his own

Shandy is not beer

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The Rill Dill's picture

He only lightened his stance to perhaps get a decent job again.

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youra6's picture

I wanted to cap it at 3, but yes those 2 firmly deserve a spot in the Axis of Evil. I included Mark May because he has been anti-OSU for longer than anyone on that list. A reprieve from Mark May these last few years doesn't change the fact he is still a biased, panty-wearing ahole.

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Mad4527's picture

Throw Dennis Dodd on there. He has consistently lobbied against/trashed OSU for years.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

SMH, Desmond. Does anyone take him seriously?

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Hoody Wayes's picture

TBDSNITL: The best damn screen name in the land!

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I'd also add that he's being incredibly disrespectful to Chase's parents, asserting they raised a kid who wouldn't understand a loan.  What a dick.

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Dstacify's picture

When in doubt never forget this moment:

11 Strong.

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Hoody Wayes's picture
And never forget...The Torg:

TBDSNITL: The best damn screen name in the land!

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Oh I won't.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

The next one, after MSU returned that fumble for a TD, was the PRICELESS one. That shit-eating grin had disappeared completely.

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Major H's picture

I never thought much of Desmond Howard in the first place. This just reinforces my stance. SMDH

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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JM's picture

aLOL!

Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye

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BuckeyeSouth's picture

That's fantastic.  I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Champions.  Undisputed.  

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youra6's picture

Desmond Howard, too stupid to realize he's an unwilling "I" in the OH-IO

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Fairport Buckfan's picture

Literally LOL !  Those guys should get some kind of college game day recognition .  

Fairport

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Will Gameday come near Columbus after this (in 2019)? 

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The Rill Dill's picture

Who the hell wants them here?

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ohiopanda's picture

When Desmond talks, don't listen

Pretty sure everyone knows the difference between a loan, a gift, and a bribe.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

This commentary says far more about DH than it does CY. And I, for one, am not surprised.

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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Doug James's picture

Chase, whoop his ass and um team's ass.

DJ

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Independence Village 22's picture

So because Chase is going to suit up against Michigan it's now he is open game for character assassination? Listen folks, I'm black, he's black, I can tell you 100% he didn't pay that loan back because us black people dont get loaned money, we steal and take and lie? What an idiot, is Desmond Howard gonna have to choke a bitch? Remember that? Fire the guy already...

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I can tell you 100% he didn't pay that loan back

...because he's a star athlete and they get palmed cash all the time? That would be a valid point. Unable to be proven, but believable.

Everything Desmond said? I can't wait to hear him try to spin this one. 

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Rick W's picture

that Bozo talks differently on Gameday

Rick W

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MileHighBUCKEYE85's picture

Is this not getting more press because literally no one watches that show? 

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Meanwhile, the delusional hypocrites over at Mgoblog will ignore this, just like they ignore Brendon Gibbons, Frank Clark and company while simultaneously calling MSU and Buckeye players "thugs". The Michigan difference!

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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Bucks's picture

If I ever need a reminder of why I dislike you so thoroughly, I'll think of your idiotic statements like this.

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Sloopy1976's picture

I saw it this morning at the gym. Is there an email address we can flood with complaints? What's the best way to voice our concern for ESPN harboring a racist who openly assassinates the character of a college athlete? Especially without facts? 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Twitter would be best imo

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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JackIsWayBetterThanTiger's picture

My sister who is a tenured teacher in an athletics department filed a complaint against Desmond on the ESPN complaint line. The guy who took the call admitted that the quote sounded 'bad'. She was brilliant.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Hasn’t been relevant since the mid 90s just like Michigan football. 

Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah 

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Browns88's picture

What a fuckin dickwad 

Browns88

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High St Heismans's picture

DaiTheFlu 10 SECONDS AGO 

Meanwhile, the delusional hypocrites over at Mgoblog will ignore this, just like they ignore Brendon Gibbons, Frank Clark

You left out the Beacon of Academia Rashan Gary

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DaiTheFlu's picture

You're right. He clearly valued getting his General Studies degree at Michigan far more than the 300k in cash he was offered at Clemson.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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q_juice20's picture

But John U. Bacon wrote it in a book, so you know it’s true!! In a back-and-forth on Mgo, somebody brought his book up as proof and another person replied “ but Dave Q. Pancetta wrote just the opposite in his book”. Other guy seriously wanted to know what book Pancetta had written and who he is affiliated with. 

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rkylet83's picture

Desmond is a clown that has no ability to show objectivity.  I will give Woodson credit, at least he was clear that he thought it was a sham and didn’t make up a bunch of nonsense.  

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NOLABuckeye's picture

I'm surprised there hasn't been any backlash on those comments.  Desmond can eat a bag of dicks.

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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teddyballgame's picture

We all know what happened next 

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Skunk bear blood's picture

Have a coke then shut the F'ck up ya soda pop salesman.

IT. WAS. A. FUMBLE.

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Homey1970's picture

Fixed Desmond’s pic for you... 

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Skunk bear blood's picture

How about this one Homey 

IT. WAS. A. FUMBLE.

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OSU56's picture

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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cricejr's picture

I would be shocked that a black man said this about another black man. Also, I'm not sure if he was disrespecting or coming to the defense of Young.  But it more sounds to me like the classic concept of projection; taking what you do and stating that other have done or are doing it. and let's not forget, this is Desmond Howard.  Dude isn't that smart of a guy and regularly says stupid things.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I'm not sure if he was disrespecting or coming to the defense of Young

Pretty sure he wasn't defending Young

Shandy is not beer

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

In no way, shape, or form was that defending anyone.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

It was kind of a defense of casual racism. 

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Sloopy1976's picture

Title of thread should be changed to "Desmond Howard disrespects African Americans and their decency" 

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

Desmond Howard is an idiot. He's just upset because his shitty Alma Mater has lost almost EVERY YEAR to OSU after John Cooper left. What he is too stupid to realize is that Michigan is nowhere near THEE Ohio State's ELITE status in football. Hell, Penn State has passed them up...and Wisconsin is better, too. Accepts it Desmond, you dummy....Michigan is IRRELEVANT in terms of top-tier college football and has been for decades. So, eat it, sucker!

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JacketsBuzz's picture

This idiocy deserves PLENTY of social media spotlight. Someone get this trending so that moron can account for his ignorant remarks.

Buckeyes & Blue Jackets.

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Bighemdog's picture

I truly wanna comment on this but for the life of me I cannot think of anything that's "fuckedupenough" to qualify as a retort.  This takes fuckeduppery to a whole new low.  I mean even for a *ichigan *an.  Just go ahead and carpet bomb a whole demographic that is already fighting against these kinds of racial stereotypes.  Dumbass is not a strong enough word.

OH!

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NHBuckeye's picture

Does the dumbass know that Chase paid back the loan, in April? !!!     Desmond is such a shitbag.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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tajikey's picture

Safe to assume he's insinuating that Young is lying about paying it back.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

He does know that proof of paying it back is core to reinstatement in the NCAA appeal, right? No, of course he doesn't. The man is an imbecile. 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Yep.  He’s a complete imbecile.   

Fields of Dreams

 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

It probably didn't matter against Michigan anyway....

But the fear and loathing that is coming from Chase Young's future opponents is just so delectable. 

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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smith5568's picture

Not sure if the video linked above is an official post from ESPN, but if it is, I am blown away. When I follow the link, the video starts just after Desmond says the racist remarks, so a viewer would not even know he said those things.  

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JackIsWayBetterThanTiger's picture

Thanks for pointing that out. I fixed the link so the video starts before Desmond gives his pearls of wisdom.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Sorry, I'm not a fan of Des, but I watched the clip, and I didn't hear any part of him insinuating what you quoted in the clip - is it from a different segment?:

"He said he took a loan - cultural Wednesday - RC, Dom, they will second this - Black student-athletes under the age of 25 don't know anything about loans. They borrow money with the intentions to never pay it back."

EDIT: I had to rewind a bit more to hear this part, but yes, this is just very clearly an inappropriate comment. What a disgrace

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

He timed the clip to start at that point, so you have to start it from the beginning (or prior to the starting point as linked).

He said it.

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Floyd Stahl's picture

You mean, besides the fact that Chase provided documentation that the "loan" was repaid?

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Hovenaut's picture

Thank you, Desmond, for helping us all keep focus as we further our way in November.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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idontsmellgood's picture

I used to dislike Desmond. I still do, but I used to, too.

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scarletgray's picture

Never loan a young black athlete money none of them will pay it back.. I'd like to make a game-day sign and stand right behind Desmond with it

JDK

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

The Gameday sign police will never let that sign happen.

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keith7456's picture

Desmond disrespects the human race every time he opens his mouth. So color me unsurprised.

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Buckeye4life23's picture

Shitbag. Fuck him and fuck his irrelevant alma mater

I am here for the same reason you are.

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Afonzai's picture

Maybe CY can spot DH on the sidelines during “the game” and Predatorize his @ss on a sideline tackle for loss.

Thumbs up

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cajunbuckeye's picture

After seeing Chase Young's father on television, I don't believe I would talk shit about his son...

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

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buckeyenut74's picture

There are three things I really hope Day posts up in the locker room. 
 

1- harbaugh disrespecting Urban during media days

2- don brown running his mouth last week

3- desmond saying this nonsense about Young. 

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Mosely's picture

What a fucking shit show. I always liked Greeny and I can’t imagine he thought any of this was okay; I wish he or Maria would’ve called him out on it.

So fucking disrespectful of an entire group

And those two morons geeking in the background good lord  

Stay woke Desmond.

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WhySoSerious's picture

Piece of shit.

Rare&Uncommon

Like the ball in the stands, we balls out

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Kangarooman's picture

There's probably a way to spin Desmond's incredibly racist comment after the fact, but he also manages to mess us the fact Chase Young paod the money back.

Ignorance on ignorance. Should be fired.

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Mosely's picture

Maybe lebron will see it and get after him

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Kneelblender's picture

Let's forget this for a minute.

How does Desmond have a job?    He (OBVIOUSLY!) doe ZERO PREP work for his job at ESPN.  He only speaks in cliches and adss NOTHING to the conversation.

I am BEYOND amazed that ESPN keeps him on.....

Just another GREAT REMINDER on why it is so much fun to OWN Michigan!

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mtrotb

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NHBuckeye's picture

I don’t watch Get Up, but who are the two douche nozzles in the background yucking it up as Desmond was spewing his nonsense?  Those two assholes should be ashamed of themselves too. 

Fields of Dreams

 

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Dasniksder's picture

Did RC and Dom (whoever they are) second Desmond’s stance? 

Honestly, Desmond should be ashamed of himself. It’s hard to fight stereotypes, but then to have an influential and well known black man imply that African Americans are either not intelligent enough to know what a loan is or they don’t have enough integrity to uphold their obligations is deplorable. He should suspended immediately. Embarrassing and shameful.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

What am I missing.  Did Howard speak again @ the end of the clip, because what I got from the front portion of it is that the Amount borrowed by Chase is known and has never been said.  Is that not true?  Why is that?

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JackIsWayBetterThanTiger's picture

I fixed the link. Go back and click on it. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I’m embarrassed for Greenie and Maria Taylor. They seemed caught off guard and a bit speechless by Howard’s comments. He needed a good ole hot cup of STFU after that statement. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Smitty516's picture

Let’s see, Howard was at ttun the same time as the Fab 5...makes sense now why they never just took loans... 

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Dorfdepp's picture

The sincerest "Welcome back, "Chase. Now, I think that I speak for the bulk of Buckeye Nation, when I ask that you sack Patterson a minimum of twice on the 30th, and grin thereafter in the direction of wherever Howard might be hiding in the Big House. 

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Art Harrell's picture

Fuck You...Desmond Howard...Go Chase...Go Bucks

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

Thanks for the bulletin board material you stupid douchebag. When will they ever learn!? Bwahahahaha dumbasses.

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Butch_Driveshaft's picture

Breaking News: Local Idiot offers his opinion. Experts confirm that he is indeed a dunce.

More at 11:00

He owes me 260 bucks vacation pay, and he won't fuckin' pay that, so I figured a handful of chips wasn't too much to ask.

 

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Eph97's picture

Probably just taking orders from his SEC overlords at ESPN. They scared about OSU. In the words of Coach O "we comin" and they know it.

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MaineStrength's picture

Yeah, the cultural Wednesday was a bit much, but to his point, did anyone ever release the amount?  If not, he is making a valid point that OSU and the NCAA cannot possible know if Young paid the money back.  And, if there is a record of it that amount should be released. 

Dez is obviously biased, but it's not hard to see why any non-OSU fan would want more information than is being provided, particularly given the games Young was suspended for and/or not suspended for.  I don't blame OSU for it, but it does appear they are trying to keep Young eligible for their more difficult games by being less than 100% transparent and/or not digging that deep.  I don't think Gene Smith is lying about covering anything up, but he may not be scouring for answers that he doesn't want to know either.  

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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RollRedRoll's picture

What the hell are you talking about. This is a post about Desmond Howard ( a black man) saying that young black athletes don’t take loans and pay them back. Don’t try and change the narrative because another Michigan man opened his mouth and made an ass out of himself. The NCAA did their investigation and is apparently satisfied with what they found, no one owes you an explanation beyond what has been stated. 

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MaineStrength's picture

I agree that was a dumb comment by Dez, but his point is valid.  Not releasing the dollar is questionable, particularly because the suspension length is tied directly to the dollar amount in the rules.  That's clear as day (no pun intended) to any non-OSU fan.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Brutus's picture

No, it was a racist comment that maligned an entire segment of the population. That’s what this thread is about, yet you keep arguing some weak shit about him making a good point. His point is simply that black people under the age of 25 don’t pay back loans. That’s the entire basis of his argument. You are arguing that not releasing the dollar amount is suspect, which could be valid. So go start your own thread and make the argument and quit trying to justify Desmod’s racist bullshit. 

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MaineStrength's picture

His point is simply that black people under the age of 25 don’t pay back loans. That’s the entire basis of his argument.

That was not Howard's point, that was just an anecdotal story to support his stance.  His point is the amount of money needs to be released since the suspension time is based on how much was loaned.

You are arguing that not releasing the dollar amount is suspect, which could be valid. So go start your own thread and make the argument and quit trying to justify Desmod’s racist bullshit. 

That seems like overkill for it's own thread.  This is all within the context of the topic of the thread.  

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Brutus's picture

Your reading comprehension sucks. This thread is about Desmond being a racist POS, not him making an argument about the amount of money being released. You’re the only person here who keeps harping on that.  So no, it would not be overkill for you to start a thread to discuss whether Gene Smith should be under some obligation to disclose the amount of money Young borrowed. 

Further, anecdote does not mean what you think it means. An anecdote would have been Desmond saying something along the lines of “back when I was in my early 20s, I had no intention of paying back any money I borrowed”. An anecdote is not lumping an entire class of people together and accusing them of being deadbeats. 
 

Do better next time. 

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Further, anecdote does not mean what you think it means. An anecdote would have been Desmond saying something along the lines of “back when I was in my early 20s, I had no intention of paying back any money I borrowed”. An anecdote is not lumping an entire class of people together and accusing them of being deadbeats. 

I think you don't understand the nuance of the terms anecdote and anecdotal information.  An anecdote is a story that typically entertains in order to support a point.  It is not necessarily about ones self.  Anectodal information is unscientific experiences which also could be from personal experience, but also from observation and involves anecdotes.  In the realm of scientific evidence anecdotal information is generally as you described..."I tried the keto diet and it worked..."  But, it doesn't have to be.  It could also be "People try the keto diet all the time and get great results".  Long story short, this is an anecdote.  It is a story with weak supporting data that is meant to entertain or draw attention to his point of the amount of the loan or as Des put it "The smoke and guns is the money."

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Were you holding a selfie stick with your toes to take your avatar photo?

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Brutus's picture

"An anecdote is a story that typically entertains in order to support a point."

Ok. So explain to me how the following is an anecdote: "Black student-athletes under the age of 25 don't know anything about loans. They borrow money with the intentions to never pay it back."

How is this a story? Who did it entertain besides RC and Dom? And what is his point? You keep saying that Desmond makes a valid argument of wanting to know how much the loan was. Meanwhile, his racist comment literally has nothing to do with the amount of the loan. Actually, according to his logic, the amount of the loan is irrelevant because a black student athlete isn't going to pay it back anyway.

You find validity in what Desmond says after his racist bullshit. But again, that's not what this thread is about.

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q_juice20's picture

Ignoring the fact that you’ve completely missed the point of this thread...where in the NCAA rules is there anything tying punishment to a dollar amount for a LOAN. Those guidelines are for improper benefits received - not for money borrowed and repaid. That is a big distinction. 

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MaineStrength's picture

where in the NCAA rules is there anything tying punishment to a dollar amount for a LOAN

According to Herbstreit quote...

The length of the suspension is tied to the monetary value of the loan

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28040392/sources-ohio-state-expects-4-game-ban-chase-young

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Well for arguments sake, let's say that the NCAA committee found that the amount was in the range for a 2 game suspension. OSU were going to ask for a 1 game suspension... So we know by 2 games that it had to be in a certain range. We are not talking 10k here... So in the end, the fact that he already paid it back + cooperative must have been enough to put this to bed. The butthurt and want for harsher penalties at this juncture is wishful thinking. Every program who is not OSU would be taking the same position as OSU did so let's not make this a moral argument either. I don't see Michigan forfeiting all the games during the time Gibbons was there.

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MaineStrength's picture

I don't want harsher penalties.  I think it's silly he gets any penalty for a loan he paid back to a friend.  I borrowed money when I was a college athlete and paid it back like anybody would.  I'm just curious why they don't release the dollar amount.  The only reason I can see is that it would contradict the language in the rules and cause more scrutiny.  If it supported their recommendation it seems like a no brainer to release it.

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BbBnD's picture

You’re being obtuse. The NCAA is the governing body and they know the amount. The rules stipulating the number of games an athlete should be suspended is obviously more guidance than law, otherwise athletes wouldn’t have the ability to appeal for reductions based on circumstance. The NCAA knew the amount, there was an appeal process, and a 2 game suspension was levied. The amount is irrelevant at this point. $1,000 or $100,000, the NCAA felt the circumstances warrants a 2 game suspension and anyone claiming the NCAA is biased in favor of OSU is absurdly ignorant. OSU covered up tattoos and got hammered. UM covered up a rapist and the kid finished his career without penalty to himself or the school.   

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Gene stated in his presser he's not allowed to divulge the dollar amount, for what it is worth.

This is typical sports fan stuff. You and opposing fans only give a shit about this because it could help your chance to beat OSU. If it was the punter at Ohio University this would not be on your or anybody's radar. There was no crime committed here, there are no victims. 2 games is plenty for what we know about this situation.

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MaineStrength's picture

Gene stated in his presser he's not allowed to divulge the dollar amount

He said he can't, I'd follow up and ask why?  Who says he can't?  The NCAA?  His boss?  I heard him cite FERPA earlier as a reason he couldn't discuss details.  FERPA is really for educational records.  This is not an educational record.  I'm not sure this would fall under that umbrella.  I'm not sure what the dollar amount would harm, particularly considering the suspension time is tied directly to the dollar amount.  That seems like information that should be provided.  I'm sure he could provide this if he wanted to.

You and opposing fans only give a shit about this because it could help your chance to beat OSU. 

Like duh, although I don't think UM wins without him either lol

There was no crime committed here, there are no victims. 2 games is plenty for what we know about this situation.

I think the entire rule is BS.  IMO he shouldn't have any suspension.  That being said it is a rule with specific penalties based on the dollar amount which is why it's so important and seems questionable as to why it's not being offered.

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Fatpants's picture

FERPA is really for educational records.  This is not an educational record.  I'm not sure this would fall under that umbrella. 

ESPN sued Ohio State in an attempt to get the university to release more information about Tatgate. The case made it all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court, who sided with Ohio State and concluded the information was protected under FERPA. 

I assume you’re looking at the term “educational records” too narrowly. Keep in mind essentially what we’re talking about here is a disciplinary matter of a college student. Just because it’s someone in the public eye, it doesn’t mean it’s any less protected. If we’re going to pierce FERPA to figure something out, why don’t we start with how “academic all American” Rashan Gary stayed academically eligible at Michigan while scoring a 9 on the Wonderlic. 

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MaineStrength's picture

If we’re going to pierce FERPA to figure something out, why don’t we start with how “academic all American” Rashan Gary stayed academically eligible at Michigan while scoring a 9 on the Wonderlic. 

MODS going off topic?  I thought you were supposed to know the posting rules ;)

ESPN sued Ohio State in an attempt to get the university to release more information about Tatgate. The case made it all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court, who sided with Ohio State and concluded the information was protected under FERPA. 

I didn't realize that.  Do you have a source?  I'd be curious to read the details.  The only reason I'm questioning it is because Herby reported the suspension length is tied to the loan amount.  If that's the case, once Young has admitted to the violation, that's the only pertinent information to decide on a suspension length.  So is the public just supposed to trust the school, which is obviously vested in keeping the suspension as short as possible?  It seems reasonable to question it.  I'm just asking what would seem like obvious questions from someone on the outside looking in.

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Fatpants's picture

I didn't realize that.  Do you have a source?  I'd be curious to read the details. 

Google it.  

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MaineStrength's picture

I don't know about your field of study, but in exercise science when someone makes an argument it's generally their responsibility to cite their source.  If no source is provided it's generally dismissed.

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Fatpants's picture

Well I will certainly keep that in mind in the event I ever want to engage in an exercise science debate. 
 

For the purposes of stuffing a troll back under his bridge, I don’t really feel the need to do your homework for you. The court decision is out there and easily found, the only issue we may have here is that it contains a significant amount of big words and no pictures. 

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buckeyenut74's picture

Gee, wonder who is down voting you guys??? LOL 

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Fatpants's picture

  I don't think Gene Smith is lying about covering anything up, but he may not be scouring for answers that he doesn't want to know either.  

Gene doesn’t want to ask too many questions and find out their star tackle threatened to rape a girl that accused a kicker of rape. Or that a wide receiver (hey, look, we’re thin at WR) stayed on the team and played again after sexually assaulting a woman outside a bar.

Wait. I got that mixed up. Those happened at Michigan.  

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MaineStrength's picture

C'mon that's all you got fat boy???

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Hovenaut's picture
After your exquisite attempt to "explain" Des' hard-edged, albeit clumsily delivered journalistic exploits today?

Damn, MS...you still have a couple weeks to hold it together yet.

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NHBuckeye's picture

You called it. 

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MaineStrength's picture

I think we all agreed Des' commentary was in poor taste.  I don't support his "black athlete's under 25" anecdote.  Race has nothing to do with it just like Taylor Lewan, Brendan Gibbons, and Rashan Gary have nothing to do with it.  And, I've yet to see the NCAA language that lays out the penalty length by games based on the loan amount.  However, Herbstreit reported the length of the suspension is tied to the value of the loan.  If that's the case doesn't it seem pertinent to know the value?

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

And, I've yet to see the NCAA language that lays out the penalty length by games based on the loan amount. 

Spend less time trolling and more time reading - 11W literally published the NCAA Bylaw and punishment guidelines. 

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MaineStrength's picture

11W literally published the NCAA Bylaw and punishment guidelines. 

Ahhh!  I searched this a number of times and couldn't locate it. 

Spend less time trolling and more time reading

If the penalty is tied directly to the amount loaned, questioning the dollar seems like a fair question, no?

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Personally, I think people only want to know the amount for confirmation bias. 

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Fatpants's picture

Yup, and looking at just the dollar amount (which I’d guess to be between $1k-$2k) to evaluate the punishment ignores any mitigating factors, which are absolutely taken into account. 

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MaineStrength's picture

just the dollar amount (which I’d guess to be between $1k-$2k) to evaluate the punishment ignores any mitigating factors, which are absolutely taken into account. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rules don't speak to these mitigating factors.  They only speak the loan amount.  It's the only objective data we have.  So, basing a penalty on cooperation seems in contrast to the point of the rules in the first place, which should be a systematic way to give penalties.  That would remove all objectivity and just make it a popularity contest, which is why a rival fan might question it.

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Fatpants's picture

You’re wrong. 

The guidelines state the NCAA will “conduct their work by evaluating the totality of circumstances surrounding each case”, and also that “reinstatement staff should continue to review the factors that may increase or decrease the student-athlete’s culpability in these violations...”

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MaineStrength's picture

Personally, I think people only want to know the amount for confirmation bias. 

Possibly, but if the loan amount is the only factor left in question in the rules speaking to the length of a suspension what else is there to go on?  

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

Judging by the length of suspension and Ohio State not appealing I would guess it falls between the 10% and 20% categories.

Do some algebra and get your own answer. 

Oh that’s right, you wouldn’t trust the NCAA or Ohio State or let me guess... anybody. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Oh that’s right, you wouldn’t trust the NCAA or Ohio State or let me guess... anybody. 

Would you trust it if was Clemson?

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

If the facts were laid out like they have been and the situation was the same... sure.  You are basically saying that either Ohio state is dishonest, the NCAA is dishonest or that they are colluding and both are dishonest. Maybe... none are dishonest. Even if they said it was $300 or $500 or $700 or $2000 the next thing you would ask for is proof. Show me receipts show me video of the exchange show me this show me that. It wouldn’t end with you. They don’t owe me or you an explanation. If they did I’m sure you still wouldn’t accept it. 

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MaineStrength's picture

You are basically saying that either Ohio state is dishonest, the NCAA is dishonest or that they are colluding and both are dishonest.

I don't think OSU is dishonest.  I think they provided the loan amount to the NCAA and asked for leniency because Young was cooperative.  But, I do think it appears like the loan amount called for a harsher penalty then they received and are withholding the amount because it contradicts the penalty and they don't want to open themselves up to more scrutiny. 

I think this is the wrong move.  I think you divulge it and say what happened...the kid was cooperative and paid it back and this is important information and why we requested a shorter penalty than the rules would otherwise call for and the NCAA agreed.  It's not OSU's decision.  They have nothing to lose there.  Of course they want a shorter penalty....nothing wrong with that.  That way the NCAA takes any potential scrutiny for the length of the suspension and OSU can shield themselves by being transparent.

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Fatpants's picture

But, I do think it appears like the loan amount called for a harsher penalty then they received and are withholding the amount because it contradicts the penalty and they don't want to open themselves up to more scrutiny. 

You’ve been proven wrong on this. You’re either trolling or being willfully ignorant.  

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I'll divulge the loan amount and who the snitch was, if you change Maine Strengths avatar to Mike Myers Fat Bastard Character

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MaineStrength's picture

You’ve been proven wrong on this. You’re either trolling or being willfully ignorant.  

I haven't seen any compelling argument that would trump the objective language in the rules regarding the penalty being tied directly to the dollar amount of the loan.  That information is pertinent, reasonable to expect, and objective.  The rest is just posturing to distract from it and/or avoid providing it.

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Fatpants's picture

Refusing to read the guidelines does not nullify what’s in them. You’ve seen snippets posted that suggest punishments based on dollar amounts, and you’ve chosen to ignore the other language that’s in there that has been pointed out to you. 
 

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MaineStrength's picture

You’ve seen snippets posted that suggest punishments based on dollar amounts, and you’ve chosen to ignore the other language that’s in there that has been pointed out to you. 

I'm not ignoring.  But, that information is subjective in nature and unspecific whereas the references to dollar amounts are clear and objective which IMO makes it more valuable as a rule because it ensures fairness when deciding on penalty lengths.  Because that language is clearly referenced it seems reasonable and pertinent to include that information.

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Fatpants's picture

You have ignored that the Ohio Supreme Court has ruled in the past that information surrounding student athlete NCAA violations is protected under FERPA and you continue to claim Ohio State is choosing to withhold information.

You have ignored the language in the guidelines that says other factors (aside from $ amount) will be considered when assessing penalties.

whereas the references to dollar amounts are clear and objective which IMO makes it more valuable as a rule

So you've taken it upon yourself to place more value on certain parts of the guidelines and less value on others? 

You, as a michigan fan, WANT Ohio State and the NCAA to have let Young off easily because you want to be able to put an asterisk on the assbeating Ohio State hands michigan next weekend. Sound about right?

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MaineStrength's picture

You have ignored that the Ohio Supreme Court has ruled in the past that information surrounding student athlete NCAA violations is protected under FERPA and you continue to claim Ohio State is choosing to withhold information.

I'm not ignoring them, I just don't think those are compelling enough to ignore the rest of the data.  You're cherry picking one case study and ignoring the body of evidence on the topic or assuming that one will extrapolate to this situation....maybe it will and maybe it won't.  There is a study by Humi and Mooreman a few years ago on this very topic.  I'll summarize some of their points.

  • Research has shown that university athletic departments use FERPA to refuse releasing information on student-athletes who encounter academic difficulties, but willingly release stories on their academic success. 
  • The Ohio State Supreme Court extended the scope of education records to include student disciplinary records.  But, numerous cases demonstrated ambiguity and inconsistency with information disclosures related to NCAA investigations and student-athlete misconduct. 
  • Future scandals at UNC and ND showed misused FERPA (a) to shield negative information about athletics from media and public scrutiny or (b) to release protected academic records. 
  • An institution may attempt to shield certain information from the public’s eye by incorrectly utilizing FERPA, but this may only lead to more negative publicity and greater public criticism.

So, it's clear universities release some information and not others and, do so incorrectly.  It's not unreasonable to think they are doing so to shield themselves from scrutiny while highlighting their strengths. 

So you've taken it upon yourself to place more value on certain parts of the guidelines and less value on others? 

I, like you and the rest of us, are trying to extrapolate the information we have to a complex situation.  So, of course I am providing an opinion that is up for debate, which is supposed to be welcomed on this site regardless of your rooting interest.  The reason I place more value on one part of the language in the NCAA rules than others is because it is clear and objective.  Dollar Amount = Suspension Time.  Nothing to argue there.  However, cooperation and "other factors" are not clear or objective.  What other factors specifically increase or decrease the suspension time?  It's not clearly spelled out  So, I feel it's less important.  But, of course this is merely an opinion.

You, as a michigan fan, WANT Ohio State and the NCAA to have let Young off easily because you want to be able to put an asterisk on the assbeating Ohio State hands michigan next weekend. Sound about right?

This is all feelings talk and irrelevant. 

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Fatpants's picture

This is all feelings talk and irrelevant. 

Kind of like wanting one part of the guidelines to carry more weight? 
 

What colleges in other states do is somewhat irrelevant. There’s precedent in Ohio that these things are protected so that’s what Ohio State is going to (rightfully) operate under. They’d be reckless to go against that. 
 

Do you really believe the NCAA gave him less than they thought he should get?  

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MaineStrength's picture

There’s precedent in Ohio that these things are protected so that’s what Ohio State is going to (rightfully) operate under.

Did this new precedent speak specifically to loan amounts by athletes?  If not it appears up for debate and at the very least reasonable to question.

Do you really believe the NCAA gave him less than they thought he should get?

I'm already on record for thinking the whole rule is dumb.  But, that's not really what we're discussing.  

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MaineStrength's picture

You're making a valid argument supported by data with a reasonable conclusion.  I'm not asking you to agree with me.  I respect your opinion.  I'm merely asking you to recognize that I am also making a valid argument with data that supports my conclusion.

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Fatpants's picture

This is similar to the ESPN case where the court ruled FERPA covers information about a student athlete’s NCAA issues. Thinking it doesn’t apply because the court doesn’t specifically mention loan amounts is a very narrow look at it. Be it loan amounts or internal emails pertaining to tatgate, it’s all student disciplinary records. 
 

And regarding your claim that you’re making a valid argument, speculation combined with omission of facts that don’t support what you’re saying is not a valid argument. 

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MaineStrength's picture

This is similar to the ESPN case where the court ruled FERPA covers information about a student athlete’s NCAA issues.

OSU provided ESPN with a lot of information during that scandal that is specific to scandals so I don't think you can throw that under the umbrella of "it set precedent for all violations information to be protected by FERPA.  Even after the trial OSU was required to provide several more documents with redacted students' personally identifying information.  What was denied was an original trail of emails regarding the investigation between Tressel & superiors and the list of people banned from the student-athlete pass, and some communication with Ted Sarniak.  But, there was no such precedent like "all NCAA violation information falls under FERPA".  The real issue is that lawsuit was about the folks providing these benefits, not which athletes received them or how much.  So, while that case may set precedent to not release the family friends name that provided the loan or the athlete's name (which is already out), it seems as though the dollar amount is a specific area with no precedent.  I see nothing in that case that would suggest that information is any different than the other details they provided.

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Can't wait for the day we get rid of you.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

If it wasnt for us, who else would he show his abs to? Those abs must be seen, dammit, they require an Ohio State fan base audience!!!!!

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airbuckeye's picture

After this came out today I thought I would go over and check the message boards of TTUN and PSU. The one I found to be funny was the PSU Boards with some of there posters and what they had to say. There's is quite a few posters calling out the NCAA and calling them a JOKE for only 2 games and saying that tOSU got off easy. Now if that's not calling the Kettle black I don't know what is they even so far as to say let the NCAA and tOSU  play by there crooked rule while we do things the right way. Really to say the NCAA just smacked Chase Youngs hand and let him of easy. But yet they claim they do the right things the right way. They seem to have forgotten the Sandustey scandle that went all the way back 30 years and the massive cover up all the way to the top for Joe Pa and his all time wins. Talk about getting off easy when they should have gotten the Death Pentialy. I remember how everyone and their grandmother was bitching to the NCAA to get those wins back claiming Joe Pa knew nothing about it. I call Bull Shit on that one. Something that bad does not go on for 30 plus years without anyone knowing it and Joe Pa knew about and I never baught is bull shit story he never knew a child could be raped like that . That was total HORSE SHIT the Baster knew what was going and did nothing to stop it. He got off easy by kicking the bucket and I hope if there is a HELL that sorry ass prick is down there burning 3 time hotter than anyone else. I just can not stand or but up with anyone who abuses a child nor can I stand by and watch it with out stepping in and stopping it. I have gone to jail a few times for stepping in to stop someone abusing a child. Ok my Rant is over and Ill go over to the corner and take a seat...

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buckeyenut74's picture

Psu shouldn’t have a sports program at this point. 

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SteveLardner's picture

Howard is a moron.

Chase provided NCAA proof of the amount and that it was repaid.

It's disappointing that Greenberg gave him a pass on Howard's ignorant and ill-informed nonsense.

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bd2999's picture

Casual racism. Although he paid it back, so not sure what he is going on about. 

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Brutus's picture

Causal? Nothing casual about stating that every black man under 25 has no intention of paying back a loan.  I guess he thinks that it’s ok if he says it because he’s black, but ESPN should demand better. That was straight up racist and he doesn’t get a pass because of the color of his skin. 

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BuckeyeGoneNuts's picture

This is a truly amazing example of a racism double standard.   If a white guy had said that, he'd be out of the job in 5 minutes and never work again in the industry.  

Howard's comments go far beyond Michigan vs OSU rivalry, he's slandering Chase Young and the comments are incredibly racist towards all African American men.  Disgusting. 

Curious to see if any other media or well known folks pick this up.  If I'm Gene Smith, I'd very publicly make a stink about it.  As in, "say what?  Blacks just look to steal when they borrow money??? WTF?"

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DiasporaBuck's picture

I would like to borrow some money from Desmond Howard

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HWTOH's picture

It certainly is a double standard.  Don Cherry just got fired for saying "You people". I don't oppose the firing but to be fair to Cherry Desmond Howard was far more specific in making a prejudiced statement.. Howard specifically said, "Black student-athletes under the age of 25 don't know anything about loans. They borrow money with the intentions to never pay it back". If that isn't a statement reeking with stereotypes I don't know what is.  Based on the Don Cherry case it's clear that any white commentator would have been fired.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

We're getting all the takes from all takers. We all knew this was coming. It's amazing to watch. Whining and crying all from a place of fear because they know what OSU with Chase Young means for the team they like. I'd respect people a lot more if they admitted this is about the team they hate losing to having a better chance of beating them again.

Fuck Michigan. And Penn State, and Clay Travis and his white hood and Desmond and everyone else.

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dbill27's picture

Start posting his quote on the game day facebook page, that is absolutely racist bullshit.

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Zimmy07's picture

Is Desmond really still employed?  I’m pretty sure that would get someone fired the same day where I work.

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curiousrash's picture

The woke network should fire that turd. If thats not racist, nothing is.

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Crowd Threatening Bauserbombs's picture

Q: What’s the difference between Desmond Howard and a bucket of sh*t?

A: the bucket 

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readnguy's picture

Looks to me like Mr. Young "owes" Dez and in essence TTUN something now...I wonder if he plans to make good on it? Can't wait to find out!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I assume DH probably felt like he was speaking on behalf of Big-Blue Nation... Or something. He's an idiot, and an ass-clown, but that's not new information.

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

Wow UM must be proud. What he said is way worse than what Chase did. 

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IfNotBucksSparty's picture

I think that this story isnt getting traction in this social climate speaks a lot toward the bias towards TOSU. I'm not one of these SEC conspiracy theorists, but I cant help but think if another black commentator said that about a Clemson, bama, or even a mizzou player that there wouldn't be more of an uproar. I'm white so I'm not going to take issue with the race of the messenger, or pretend to know the difference between if Des or Herbie said this.

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After OSU buries UM in the Game, I hope Chase gets to give Desmond a stink eye on national television, the way Zeke did to Mark May.  That would be awesome.

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DeacBuck's picture

I sent the below to ESPN at support@espn.go.com. Won't do anything, but made me feel pretty good. Feel free to copy/paste and use.

Good Morning,

I find it despicable that Desmond Howard said the below on “Get Up” yesterday morning:

“Black student-athletes under the age of 25 don't know anything about loans. They borrow money with the intentions to never pay it back.”

The fact that Mr. Howard has not been publicly reprimanded, or given any sort of apology, is very troubling. If any white on-air personality on ESPN (or any other network) made these comments, they would undoubtedly face serious consequences, including possible termination. Please do the right thing, and address this situation.

Sincerely,

Go Bucks, Deacs, Panthers, Braves

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NHBuckeye's picture

Very nice, Deac!  I haven't bothered to search for backlash on the incident but you'd have to think it's out there.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

I sent similar emails from both my email accounts. I have a few friends who have done the same. Even a ND fan. Yeah I know dont @me

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Smitty516's picture

Have you been given a response yet? 

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High St Heismans's picture

Jeebis MGOBOTCH is unbelievable according to them we are perennial chronic cheaters.Do they really think Desmond,Rashan,Frank Clark,Lewan,Gibbon etc were student athetes or of high moral character.But they believe it....all of them.....every word.Hell frank broke the law and his girl friends face before they sent him packing.Lewan defends his rapist buddy and threatens the victim with same then beats the crap out of a Ohio State fan.Of course Lewan and Gibbon were done with football when this happens or comes to light.But we're creeps and cheeters because someone ponied up some coin so Chase's squeeze can get to the game - yup Satan himself must be holed up under C-Bus.And he's gonna kick the crap out of those little devils in Ann Arbor on November 30th

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CreekBuck's picture

Douche bag Dez opens his spout again.

You win with people.

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LCT's picture

Nothing's gonna happen to Dez. Incredible, but not really.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Eph97's picture

Dez might want to keep quiet because M has a lot of skeletons in its closets. I remember back in the day there was lots of smoke about Charles Woodson taking money from an agent and M covered it up.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

More Michigan talk. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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OSU56's picture

Dez is a racist clown-should have been fired right after the comment. Many others would have been...……………...

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Coming from a white guy like Desmond, this seems racist. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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RollRedRoll's picture

ASJ, thanks for the laugh this morning. Your comment is perfect. 

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DonTurner's picture

Please, forgive Desmond he knows not what his mouth runneth  - he is still seeing mirages.  

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buckeyefan0037's picture

Did i just hear DH make an inflamitory, racist comment essentially calling african american atheletes too stupid to understand what a loan is and too morally bankrupt to pay it back ????? What a douchebag !

Christopher Poole

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