The blatant disrespect for the Gophers smh...
Blatant disregard for Indiana and the B1G. Preconceived notion that everything the SEC does makes them good and everything anyone else does makes them bad. Georgia has looked very average, barely beat a ND team that TUN kicked the snot out of and that USC almost (and should have) beat, Georgia loses to a very, very, very bad Cocks team but they hold the fourth spot? That makes no sense to me. At least when OSU lost to Purdue and Iowa, those teams were halfway decent.
It really is ridiculous. There’s this narrative that when B1G teams beat up on each other, it’s an example of a mediocre conference where certain teams were pretenders, and got exposed. When the SEC does this, it speaks to great teams, and somebody had to lose. I hate being this guy, but this narrative gets old. There is absolutely nothing in Georgia’s resume this year that should put them ahead of MN, or Alabama for that matter. Again speaking solely about this year, which is what this should be about.
While I disagree with the committee I can at least see why they have not ranked Indiana. They lost to a bad Michigan State team. Who is their best win, 4-5 Nebraska? While they have 7 wins, not one of those wins came against a team that has a winning record. In fact the teams Indiana has beat average W-L record is 2-7. It's actually 2.4 wins, but we'll found to whole numbers.
Now I think they should be ranked over some of those 3 loss teams, but I understand why the committee does not have them ranked.
I agree with you about Indiana. And if I'm being completely honest, in my heart of hearts, I do believe Georgia and Alabama are better teams than MN. Maybe even by a good margin. But at some point, it has to be about more than just what we suspect, it has to be about what teams have actually done this year. MN has what I believe is the best win among MN/Georgia/Alabama, and no losses. If they get exposed, which at some point I'm confident they will, then rank them accordingly at that point. Until then, they deserve to be much higher. That's my take at least.
Exactly. SEC bias on display. Plus a bias towards ensuring that every conference is "represented" for as long as possible to keep fan interests and generate revenues. This is also a big but "unspoken" consideration amongst the committee. Let's not kid ourselves here.
Interesting points CTown. +1, hadn't thought of it that way. I tend to think there's definitely an SEC bias out there, but was still accepting Bama and maybe Georgia being ahead of Minny, but this is interesting.
They jumped nine spots! I honestly don't recall such a jump for one win ever.
They knocked off the number four team who was undefeated and they are undefeated themselves. I know it’s a big jump but they were starting from so far back and it shouldn’t be about how teams jump but resetting every week.
OK, after #2 beat #3, this is no surprise whatsoever. Our Buckeyes need to just keep winning and preparing for something even bigger than beating our erstwhile rival.
After whipping Penn State at home and blasting Michigan up there, I hope Ohio State will face an undefeated Minnesota in Indianapolis for the championship of the Big Ten.
After defeating 3 top teams in a row, who do you suppose will be #1 going into the playoffs?
And after beating 2 of the very best teams in the nation, who do you think will be #1?
Just win, OK? It's easier said than done, but that's all that needs to happen.
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I understand it, but they’ve got to be the first team to ever score 70+ and drop in any ranking
That said, 2014 saw TCU win their last game 55-3 and dropped from #3 all the way to #6 - to our forever favor - so I'll gladly take this drop in exchange for that.
OSU didn't execute and lost to horrible officiating. BOTH things can be true
Yes, but we also played one more game than TCU that year because there was no championship game in the Big 12. So we had one more data point, which is exactly what is going to keep Bama out of it this year.
AND we simultaneously won our game 59-0 (scored more, allowed less) against a top 10 team.
And Wisconsin was significantly better than the team TCU played, yet most can’t name the team. Because it wasn’t Baylor.
It was Kansas or WVU, right?
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I cant remember without checking.
Iowa State. They struggled with Kansas two weeks before and only beat WVU by 1 point.
More than once, I believe. Didn't we drop earlier this season after beating Miami 76-5?
Because I couldnt go for 3.
No we were 6 going into Miami and 5 after.
No, we moved up from 6 to 5 after that
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
Yep that’s how I remember it too
Hm. I must have misremembered. I know we dropped at some point after a win. It's still ludicrous, no matter the score.
Oops,, I meant to say I remembered dropping after a win also. We agree. I replied to the wrong post.
Agreed ^^^^ Bama would never get surpassed in a winning effort .
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You said it!
It's all about the controversy. Period. Such a stupid system.
Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!
Taking care of business, boys!
The way I look at it, if we just win the next 6 games, we should be OK.
I agree - if we win the next 6 we should have a decent chance of making the playoff, and possibly winning the Natty.
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Is that some kind of additive, distributive pr associative principle that applies here?
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All that matters is that we are in the top 4. Go Bucks!
Nothing to be mad about.
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Not mad but don’t really understand Georgia being 4. At home loss to South Carolina? Would bucks be 4 if they had a home loss to a middle of the pack B1G team?
Fair and agree, but I only focus on what OSU is ranked, the rest will work itself out.
this team is special and will show everyone in January.
Would love to see a study comparing how far SEC teams drop in rankings after losses compared to every other conference. Every year the SEC champ is gifted one mulligan
That answer is a hard no. PSU has two top twenty wins, just like Georgia, and a substantially better loss, and they tumbled 5 spots to 9. I understand the committee had a tough job this week as there is no obvious answer for who’s at 4. I just wish other teams got the same credit for equal accomplishments.
I’d rather it be UGA than Bama. At least UGA beat Florida and ND. Wins should be more important than losses.
ND is a fraud
Hell to the no. It's absurd.
Apparently getting the snot kicked out of you to a shitty SC team (Georgia) is better than losing to a 2 Loss Sec Team (Oregon)
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Snot kicked out of them? They out gained SC 468 to 297, first downs 30 to 16, and time of possession by 13 min. Not excusing the loss, but let’s not exaggerate it either. They lost by 3 in double OT.
My gripe with Georgia starts with 2018 Ohio St. After that Purdue loss the Bucks tumbled. Is their that big of a difference between Purdue and S. Carolina? I really don't think so. I also take into consideration Ohio St ( on defense) didn't look very impressive in 18 getting blew out in the Purdue game, but Georgia has had it's share of struggles this year as well.
Cmon...had the Buckeyes lost in OT they wouldn’t have been punished as badly. You can’t get blasted by 30.
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Im just saying Georgia sliding a further down the totem pole would of been in line. And 2018 Ohio St on offense is far more impressive then what Georgia has shown this season.
You’re right about 2018 OSU’s offense.
But 2019 UGA isn’t being compared to them. They’re being compared to teams this year. It’s just hard to make that logical leap between seasons.
The comparison is we got blackballed and brought an elite attribute to the table. Georgia has been good but not elite anywhere and is getting a free pass. I don't think they should slide to far but behind Oregon, Baylor and Minnesota would be fair, 3 teams that have so far handled the South Carolinas of the world.
That Gamecocks team is garbage and Georgia lost at home!! Purdue had a halfway decent team and a dynamic offense and it was a road game for OSU.
3 points in OT vs 31 points in regulation. We really need to stop bringing up Purdue, and comparing that loss to UGA vs SCar. They aren't even in the same Universe.
Home vs away makes a big diference. How good the opponent is makes a huge difference. The fact that Georgia is up to number four after that home loss to a bad team is ludicrous. The eye test shows Georgia hasn’t even looked that great. OSU had a once in a generation offense last year. You’re wrong Navy.
The uSC loss is worse than the Purdue loss. Losing a conference road game at night to a bowl team >>> losing at home to a 4-8 team. Final scores are deceiving, unless you watched the actual game. Bama lost by 5, but really they were whipped.
Fine with me. But move us back up after we beat PSU, Michigan and Minnesota by 200 points.
I think if we take PSU or Michigan to the woodshed we jump LSU.
Need Minnesota to keep winning or we'll get jumped by LSU if they beat Georgia.
Kinda expecting Minny to lose 1 before us, though. Im thinking we are the 2 seed if LSU and us both win out.
Yep totally agree...I even think if Minnesota wins out and so does LSU they'll keep us at 2. As stated in the article no number 1 team has been removed from number 1 after winning...if LSU wins out and beats UGA then they will keep LSU at number 1. I hope Auburn can beat UGA and Bama and LSU loses the SEC championship...just to see what happens
I even think if Minnesota wins out and so does LSU they'll keep us at 2. As stated in the article no number 1 team has been removed from number 1 after winning...
mittenst8buck: Were you being sarcastic? It just happened to OSU, so it can happen again.
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Perhaps I should have said before now. Look the way I see it Alabama being kept on the bubble (I know this is subject to change) and UGA being at number 4 it shows they are loving the SEC, which is fine because what the hell I am used to it. If OSU beats Penn State and Michigan I don't think that will be the same as LSU beating Alabama...that game has been hyped for a month now. At that point when the championship games are played I am sure UGA will be sitting there at 4 and if Minnesota is unbeaten (with wins over an Iowa team who will have 4 losses at that point and Wisconsin who will have 3 losses) will maybe be at 4...though I bet they keep them on the bubble. If LSU beats a number 4 UGA in the SEC championship game...do you really see us jumping LSU if we beat an undefeated Minnesota? I don't and I also don't see Minnesota being undefeated...but I hope they are.
As stated in the article no number 1 team has been removed from number 1 after winning...
Thats not true. Ohio State just got removed from #1 after winning 73 - 14.
Ok, I already had one cop correct me on that...but thanks for the heads up, however I think you all know what I was implying.
As stated in the article no number 1 team WHICH DOESN'T PLAY IN THE SEC has been removed from number 1 after winning...
Maybe this little correction will satiate the gestapo
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Lol, that works, thanks
how do you figure we'd be the 2 seed? we'd have THREE wins over top15 teams in the last 4 weeks - LSU would have 1.
LSU would have 2 top wins...Alabama and the SEC Championship, likely Georgia. LSU would have then beaten Alabama (probably sitting with 1 loss around 6) and Georgia (probably in the top 4). We would have beaten Penn State (maybe sitting around 14 with 2 losses in the final week) Michigan (probably sitting around 20 after that loss) and Minnesota (hopefully in the top 4). I agree we should be a top seed if we win out...but there seems to be a bias so whatever...I'm happy of we get in.
LSU’s defense is going to be the reason why they wont be #1 by the end of the year.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
UGA has the perfect team to beat LSU this year, and they just might do it. The best way to beat LSU is to run the ball and keep Burrow off the field. UGA has the defense (unlike Alabama) to slow down LSU enough that with a turnover and good ball control - they can pull the upset. No doubt.
I could easily see the playoff being 1. OSU 2. Clemson 3. Georgia 4. LSU after such a game.
IMHO, Georgia is not that good. Very overrated.
I mean, no one cared about OU's shitty defense last year or LSU's shitty defense this year. But Ohio State's awful 2018 defense was a constant talking head talking point.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
Huh? People talked about OUs shitty defense all the time last year. But they were being compared to us, who also had a shitty defense. The difference was that they lost a close game to a good team (that they later avenged) while we lost by a billion to Purdue.
I love the Buckeyes but I don’t understand why fellow fans don’t see the Purdue (and Iowa) loss as disqualifying. Everyone else in the country did except OSU fans.
And you know THIS....man!
Many of us do, CuseGirl. But the minute you bring it up a large portion of the Hive loses their minds.
This team is a buzz saw
You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.
I season my simple food with hunger
So Penn State loses on the road to an undefeated by 5, drops 5 spots.
Alabama loses by 5 at home to an undefeated and drops 2....got it
Minnesota was ranked 17, 13 spots below Penn State. LSU was ranked above Bama. Not the same circumstances.
Are you really surprised Navy? People love to nitpick/distort facts so they have something to be mad about. Another poster on another thread was mad because Texas was counted as a ranked win but not Maryland...you know because they were ranked for one week, 7 weeks before we played them.
The only thing about these rankings I don’t really like is IU not being ranked. Bama at #5 doesn’t bother me because they’ll get jumped if teams behind them take care of business.
I’m not surprised by IU not making the Top 25. If you look at their wins, they aren’t impressive at all. Worst Power Five schedule in opponents W-L record. I also wonder if the injury to Penix has the Committee hedging on IU with UM and PSU coming up.
RE: Indiana, that's fine and all, but I read last week that they're also the only Power 5 team with 2 or fewer losses that ISN'T ranked. Should Iowa really be ranked ahead of Indiana? Who has 3-loss Iowa beaten?
Should Iowa really be ranked ahead of Indiana?
Probably not. The only thing they’ve done is lost well to PSU and Wisconsin. Which leads me to a very unpopular conclusion around here, but outside of Ohio State, the Big Ten isn’t great. I’m not confident PSU, UM, Iowa or Wisconsin could hang with Bama, LSU or Georgia. They might even struggle with UF and Auburn.
Minnesota has played one team with a Top 50 offense (YPG), and that’s PSU. PSU’s schedule hasn’t been much better. Iowa and Wisconsin are squeaking by. UM is, well, we know what they are.
Well, let's play the transitive property game. Georgia barely beats ND at home while ttun takes ND to the woodshed. So ttun over Georgia (as well as that crappy loss to South Carolina). Wisky destroyed ttun and PSU beat ttun so with Georgia beating Florida all those teams beat Florida. Auburn lost to Florida so those teams are also better than Auburn.
What I also don't get is an undefeated Baylor who has two road wins against ranked teams is sitting behind not one but two 2 loss SEC teams.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Well, let's play the transitive property game
C’mon, Philly. The transitive property in football never works.
What I also don't get is an undefeated Baylor who has two road wins against ranked teams is sitting behind not one but two 2 loss SEC teams.
They’re also behind a 1-loss Big Ten team and a 1-loss Big XII team.
Navy, you're probably close on that one. I do think PSU, Wisky and TTUN are comparable to Florida and Auburn - almost shockingly so - but they'd all likely get clowned by any of UGA, Bama or LSU. Minnesota is still a complete unknown to me because they've only had to get up for one game this year. If they beat Wisky and Iowa and stay within 2 TDs of Ohio State in a potential B1GCG, then I'll be a believer.
That's almost exactly how I feel right now, Dai, which is why I'm Ok with what the committee did with PSU and Minny yesterday.
If you had to put money down on Wisc, UM, Iowa, Minny or PSU vs Bama, UGA, Auburn or FSU, which games would you be willing to wager a large some of money on? The only games I would feel confident about right now would Minny-UF and Minny-Auburn. Maybe Wisconsin-Auburn/UF. The other four Big Ten teams that are ranked (BTW everyone seems to have missed the fact that the committee has 6 B1G teams ranked and only 5 SEC teams - but, yeah, SEC bias) have been so inconsistent and one dimensional with their offensives, or so suspect on defense, that I would have a hard time betting on any of them to beat those four SEC team right now.
But is your confidence based on actual results or being indoctrinated into giving the SEC teams the benefits of the doubt because of the constant reminder of how "good" they are from pre season on end?
If you hear it enough and its the only thing you hear, you'll start believing it.
It’s based on actual result on the field and advanced analytics. Who teams played, how they performed against those teams, and how that compares to the teams proposed.
I'm confident Indy would beat Texas on a neutral field.
You are spot on. At worst, it would be a 42-38 type game with the last one with the ball winning the game. This weekend will tell is of Indiana is for real, although I'll be rooting for PSU so we can FINALLY have our "first real test"...
I'm neither mad, nor nitpicking. Just tossing out facts......funny thing is in your post you say you dont really like where Indiana is ranked....are you mad and nitpicking?
Oh here we go. Let’s not play this game Johnny Boy. You know damn well what you were implying and it’s not even close to the same as me making a single comment about wanting to see IU ranked.
I'm not playing a game with you. Tell me one thing on that post that was incorrect. If you can't handle that scenario without making up some fantasy argument, that's your issue.
Don’t agree, this was Bama's First true opponent , at home and their defense is actually behind Oklahoma’ defense. This is where the preseason biased rankings perpetuates the scam. Georgia got spanked by Texas in their bowl game and yet Georgia started out aT #3, lost to an awful gamecock team at home back in number 4, Bama got destroyed by Clemson yet slotted at #2 in the top 25, only good team they’ve played this year at home, giving up over 49 points, preseason top 25, where the scam all starts
Thank you, Raleigh. You are on point. I don’t get how this isn’t so obvious to some
I agree with that...but that said Minnesota won at home to a top 4 team by 5 and is only 8...Alabama lost at home by 5 to a top 4 team and is still 5. Alabama may have more talent than Minnesota but at the end of the day they didn't get it done and still gets to hang around.
Minnesota only ranked 17th because they don’t play in the SEC to begin with. . .
Bama would beat Minnesota by 20. Come on people. Be realistic
Evansville would beat Bama by 25......
What's the head to head record between the 2 teams? If they never played, then there's no fact behind the argument. Then it becomes an example of indoctrination by the sec hype machine. You hear it enough and its the only thing you hear, you start believing.
Minnesota is 1-0 vs Bama, they played in 2004
It's more surprising Bama isn't #2. An SEC loss usually carries more weight than a B1G win.
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Was amazing to hear the ESPN crew say Minnesota dominated the game against Penn State, when Penn State was throwing in the endzone for a failed go ahead TD in the 4th quarter....but Alabama was in a close game vs LSU despite Tua being injured.
That is some bullshit....really. spin doctors.
They may not have invented that art, but they've certainly perfected it
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John, I love you like a brother, but let's not pretend LSU and Minnesota are on the same level just cuz they have the same record. And does anybody on this board truly think PSU is the 4th best team in the country?
I don't claim to know know who is the best team out there. I think Clemson is really really good. I think Ohio State and LSU are really good. Other than that, I have no idea. Past history bias tells me Minnesota and Baylor will lose, and the Pac-12 is weak....but I very well could be wrong. Alabama game up 46 points at home and has beaten nobody, I'm not impressed by them. Kirby Smart will f up Georgia, when it matters, imo, so who knows. Anyone that claims to know they are right is full of shit, late season football is crazy, at times.
Then we’re lucky there are still a lot of games left. If Minny is overrated then Iowa and/or Wisconsin will knock them off. Ditto for UGA/auburn or LSU.
Yep, I love college football, as well. Glad we have another month left. Its gonna be fun
But wait. That's what we have ESPN for. To tell us who the best teams are despite what we see happen on the field.
John. You are implying Minnesota should be above Bama.
If I had to rank teams, I'd have Clemson #1, LSU #2, Ohio State #3, and after that it would be a jumble. I would have Minnesota and Baylor in the top ten....both above Bama. Lose a game at home giving up 46 points and only beat one team with a winning record.....yep....bama should take a spot at the back of the line, they can earn their way back into the top 5, like everyone else.
Your contributing to the SEC/ESPN, next it will be, let’s be real Minnesota isn’t as good as SECteam x, Minnesota should be higher than Georgia or Bama right now, will they stay there is a different story, right now Minnesota’s in Field resume is better than those 2,
I’m just becoming more and more convinced we need the champ from each power five and three wild cards with no conference getting more than two teams. There’s just too much SEC bias year in and year out. I get they may be incrementally better but they receive the benefit of the doubt in every way including the early ranking advantage as well as the perpetual bias that every win is a good win and every loss is a good loss. There is no even playing field for the rest of the power 5. It’s very frustrating to watch and even have folks from our own fan base defend these committee decisions. Make the conference championship game, win it, and you’re in. That will reduce the influence the committee will have over choosing those who will participate in the playoff based on ever changing criteria that always benefits the SEC.
I hope all the people on the ledge will back the hell up now that Bama didn’t stay in the top 4. If Oregon wins the PAC 12, they’ll jump Bama easily.
Unless Georgia beats LSU
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Georgia bearing LSU is a nightmare scenario for Bama, can’t put LSU behind Bama, especially if it’s on a game day Bama is sitting at home.
We were totally wrong. Somehow people have found a reason to move closer to the ledge. Reading through this thread is fascinating. It’s like half our fan base has PTSD. How so many people are still convinced Bama will find a way in is mind blowing to me. Spots 4 through 9 are all basically a coin flip right now, and each of those teams have warts. Bitching about who’s above who in the pack right now is irrelevant, and splitting hairs. Bama will be jumped by any team in the top 10 who wins out.
Georgia beats LSU and both of them will be in
I don’t understand how that could possibly be. Unless auburn beats Georgia this weekend. LSU will not go behind a team they beat if they lose in a conference championship game.
Both of them as in LSU and Georgia
Georgia isn’t besting LSU
Kind of how purdue wasn’t beating Ohio State?
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Their wins are just brutal. No joke their best win is by 7 at 4-5 Nebraska. Next best is by 10 over Ball St.
They are a catch 22 for the bucks. If they beat PSU or TTUN, they probably will finish the year ranked. But at the expense of higher ranked future opponents.
I'm ok with them winning out
No surprise. Just keep winning boys and we’re in.
Don't give a fuck. It's up to the Team and Staff from here on out f ttun...
Hope we can slide back into the No. 1 spot if we take care of business the next few weeks. Playing Oregon/Utah instead of Clemson is a huge advantage.
Harbaugh is Michigan, Michigan is Harbaugh. They are together the ultimate con.
Agreed. If the CFP is consistent with itself, we should move back up (if and) when we beat PSU and TSUN.
If the CFP is consistent with itself
Umm...have they ever been?
Then to keep up the consistency they will move LSU back up after they win the SEC
Minnesota at 8 is a joke...
Because a week ago Penn St was widely recognized as legit #4. Minnesota whopped'em. If you changed the name on the jersey to a traditional power, they would be #4.
The ugly truth is often downvoted
Wrong. Minnesota has ONE good win. One. Their schedule has been putrid and they looked putrid for the first 5 games.
Minnesota has more quality wins than Bama.
Joke as in they're too high or too low?
2/3 spot gets the trip to Glendale - a trip I absolutely love.
That, and it avoids the entire playoff being played in SEC's back yard
I thought the 1 seed gets to pick their venue if choice?
I think he’s assuming LSU would pick the close venue.
Yessir, Navy. LSU would virtually get 2 home games at the #1 spot.
I honestly doubt they beat Clemson
The speculation I saw is that LSU would go west if they had to play Clemson, Alabama, or Georgia in Atlanta.
Let's Go Bucks
The SEC is like hydra. You take one out another takes its place. Bama only 1 spot from getting in is a joke.
Get ready for at least two SEC teams in the CFP again...
Unless several teams completely shit the bed, I just don't see it.
So what? My biggest issue is the setup for Georgia and Alabama so the SEC has 2 in again
I whole-heartedly agree, but if either Oregon or Utah wins out, It’s highly unlikely there’s 2 SEC teams (assuming Bucks and Clemson get in).
Can't wait for an 8 team playoff, so we can see 6 SEC teams in there. `\_(ツ)_/¯
They win, they are in.
I would be curious if did blind resume of Georgia/bama and Minnesota/penn st... is there 4 spot differences between the teams? Worst loss... Georgia. Worst wins... bama... simply “eye test”???
Obviously Texas AtM is a better win, than beating Washington, Arizona State or Penn State. Texas 8s a Top 10 win for LSU, but means nothing for Oklahoma
Resume is Minnesota almost lost two early games to 1AA teams. They didn’t have a resume until Saturday. Bama beat the snot out of their opponents
Only SDSU is FCS, and they’re a far cry from the Citadel and Wofford. SDSU will contend for the FCS championship. Their other games were all FBS.
GA Southern and SD St. woooooooo hooooo!!!!!! And by 50 points.
And who has Bama beaten, Bucks19?
Beat the snot out of everyone they played. Minnesota could easily have lost 2 games to subpar teams
Look, we get it that you're an SEC fan, and I'm generally less dismissive of the SEC than most OSU fans, but you can't actually be serious with that statement.
Bama gave up 23 points to a bad South Carolina team. They allowed Ole Miss to score 31 and Texas A&M to score 28. Against Tennesee and Arkansas (roughly the equivalent of Nebraska and Rutgers in the B1G), the Tide only scored 35 and 48.
You can't honestly say "they've beat the snot out of" every opponent they've faced. They've got an excellent offense, but the defense has been suspect especially without Moses inthe middle, and the kicking game has been nothing short of a crap shoot. I think they're definitely a Top 10 team, but they aren't the Bama of years past. Not even close.
Minnesota is the only one of the 4 without a loss or a top 5 ranked win (when they played). Bama is the only one without a top 25 win. Georgia is the only one with a loss at home against an unranked team. Both Georgia and penn st have 2 top 25 wins. At beginning of year Minnesota was winning close games but the 4 weeks before penn st they won by 23, 27, 35 and 42. If we don’t value top 5, 10 or 25 wins or undefeated record and are ok with strong loses, why are we even playing the games. Every time an sec highly ranked team loses the eye test is what keeps them ranked high. Almost every time a big 10 team loses it is because they just simply are not as good as we thought. Penn st loses on road to what is now a top 8 undefeated team and falls 5 spots. Bama lose at home to the only team they have played with a pulse and they drop 2 spots in a game where the scoreboard had it a lot closer than it truly was.
It's all good. They basically set the table for Pac 12 to jump back in and put Bama out with really no way to get back in.
I hope we come in at 4...
Yeah. I'd rather play LSU with its porous defense than Clemson. I want Clemson in the title game.
I still kinda don’t get Georgia.
Exactly, nor do I. Lost to a terrible team with that teams 3rd string qb. Makes no sense
Not the first time that a SEC team lost to a team playing its 3rd team QB...
I think it's set for all conference Champs to get in. B1G, SEC, ACC and Pac12. If any of those slip up, then, and only then, would be see 2 SEC teams. Unless Baylor runs the table. A 1-loss Bama would be favored over a 1-loss Oklahoma, for example.
A one loss Georgia above an undefeated big team with a top 4 win... ok.
nah, they(gophers) have a lot more to prove.
nah, they(gophers) have a lot more to prove.
That's a fair guess, but potential future losses shouldn't count for ratings that are released every week. Minnesota is undefeated, beat a top 4 team (unlike Alabama) and doesn't have an embarrassing loss like Georgia. Why they're not at least #5 for just this week, I dunno.
But as far as OSU being #2 ... do not care one bit.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Rank Indiana you cowards!
So I guess Georgia's quality loss to SC was better than Bama's quality loss to LSU?
"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."
that combined with their(Ga) schedule being far tougher than (bama) so far is the major factor...
That’s not the whole story, though. Bama has a horrid schedule thus far. Georgia has at least beaten Notre Dame and Florida.
Nd is a bad team and Florida is overrated, already has 2 losses, preseason bs
Florida would beat every team in the B1G by 10 with the exception of 2 maaaybe 3 teams.
BS, you Herbies cousin? All Georgia had to do was keep an extra blocker in to stymie Florida’s defense and their offense is mediocre, You’ve drunk the sec/espn kool aid
Maybe the Big 10 West.
I totally hear you, but compared to Bama...still better wins than their win over TAMU.
Florida overrated-I think not. Florida would wipe the floor w/ PSU and the Gophers.
Georgia has beaten legitimate teams. That’s the difference, and how it should be. Good wins > ‘good’ losses
That’s preseason fools gold,all designed to protect and promote the SEC.Quality wins is if you count teams artificially ranked higher than it should of been. ND we now know is a bad team, wiped out by TTUN, Flotyeill lose at least 3 if not 4, then you throw in their loss at home to the gamecocks at home, Gamecocks has since lost to Tennessee and app state. People need to quit letting the preseason 25 set the narrative.
This has nothing do with preseason rankings. Alabama has beaten 0 ranked teams, and I believe only 1 FBS with a winning record. Georgia has beaten 2 ranked teams. Georgia deserves to be ahead of Alabama
Again, preseason narrative is bs, their quality wins - ranked Floyhas already lost 2 Games and will lose at least 3 and probably 4, ND is just god awful but still a ranked team thanks to starting too high in the preseason 25, your quoting those wins
Georgia has beaten better teams than Bama has. But so has Minnesota.
"Because we couldn't go for three"
That's the thing I don't understand. They both lost at home....both close games (although Bama wasn't as close as the score)....but Georgia is better for losing to South Carolina? At least LSU has some teeth, South Carolina is a nothing burger. If anything I see Bama at 4 and Georgia on the outside looking to get their shot.
Gotta love it.
Absolutely disrespectful. How you gonna drop a team after winning 73-14? Why put us there in the first place? Obviously they were gonna jump whichever team won Alabama-LSU game. Utter nonsense. This is perhaps the best OSU team we’ve ever had. Zero struggle in any phase of the game against far superior opponents on average. But whatever. It’s ALWAYS OHIO AGAINST THE WORLD!
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
It’s not utter nonsense. LSU went on the road and beat what is considered the #5 team, in addition to multiple other high quality wins. Who’s the better team statistically - OSU. Who’s the better teams of high quality wins - LSU.
Dropping us has nothing to do about our play. LSU has earned it and has beaten a number of good teams.
If you watched last week's ranking show, the head of the committee (I think the Oregon AD) said OSU was first because they were the most impressive and most balanced team. They have no flaws. How can he not say that again after the week we had? I guess the CFP is just like the AP and Coaches polls...
I don't really care, as long as we are somewhere between 1 and 4 I'm fine with it. But don't stand up there and tell us that OSU is number 1 only to drop us when we prove your assessment to be 100% true.
You do understand that the situation is constant developing as we get new data points. LSU adding a win against Bama on the road changes the equation. It isn’t any more complicated than this.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
I think they were just overly impressed with LSU and Bama's top notch defenses...
Your condescending tone like I'm a fourth grader who doesn't understand long division is off putting. As I said, I don't really care as long as we are somewhere between 1-4. The fact remains that the rep for the committee stated that a team was #1 because they were the most complete, dominant team. That team went out and absolutely embarrassed their opponent and dropped to #2. The statement the rep made is still 100% true, OSU is the most dominant and complete team. Yet they dropped to #2. It makes it difficult for teams to understand what criteria the committee uses to rank teams. It is almost as if they don't know themselves.
That's precisely the point. Why should it change the equation. Someone mentioned earlier that Alabama got blasted by Clemson last year but they start this year ranked in the top 2. Has beaten no one and have up 46 points at home to the only ranked team.
Yes, but, LSU had more “quality wins” than OSU last week. This is really more about getting ESPN’s prize sow in the playoffs again than anything else. Were the committee logically sound, they would have MN right there after beating the #4 team soundly last week. Instead they have a one loss, absolutely overrated Georgia team in the 4 hole. Was their loss to USC somehow “better” than overrated Alabama!?
The teams were very close, ranked within one spot of each other. number 2 beat number 3, while the other beat Maryland. I am not sure why the flip flop is so shocking to some.
It’s ok. Let the boys use it as motivation.
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And the rankings that matter now still refuse to rank Indiana. Come on guys, any other team that went 7-2, with one of those losses being to the best team in the conference would be ranked
Who have they beaten? That matters more than who they lost to.
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Georgia over Bama proves that line of thinking.
Bama at #5 then disproves that line of thinking
Eh...Oregon and Utah that are directly behind them haven't gotten any good wins either. I guess you could argue Minnesota and PSU above them, but SEC. SEC trumps resume.
Texas A&M... oh, I’m sorry. I thought you were asking about Alabama...
Then why is bama so high?
Who has 3-loss Iowa beaten? They're ranked 20th and their best win is either a win over 5-4 ISU or their losses to PSU, Michigan or Wisconsin.
If we played Georgia in the CFP, it would be a live execution on national TV.
Which is why I say "let UGA in!"
I really hope we can get back to 1. Playing Utah, Oregon, Oklahoma, Baylor, or even Alabama would be much better game for OSU than Clemson. I do want to beat Clemson, but I wouldn't get myself nearly as worked up if we were playing Baylor or Utah in Atlanta as opposed to a Fiesta Bowl rematch with Clemson (who I think Ohio State can absolutely beat)
You're right. This year, the difference between one and two will have multiple impacts.
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Agreed. Clemson and Dabo are getting pissed off and will be a tough out.
No surprise here. Curious to hear Rob Mullens contradict himself when he comes out to explain their decisions.
I don't envy their task, but they're just so inconsistent.
they're just so inconsistent
At least they're consistently inconsistent...
Fuckin bama has it better then anyone. Won't have the extra wear and tear of an sec championship game and still make the playoff with a LSU victory over Georgia. I really hope Auburn knocks them off.
Bingo. Auburn just inherited a whole bunch of new fans for the next couple weeks.
first #1 team to ever win in the CFP ranking era and drop the week after...that would happen to the Buckeyes (granted LSU had a great win, it's still hilarious though)
- Bama quite literally doesn't have to win a big game to stay up, got smacked by Clemson and trailed brutally whole game to LSU, have no good wins at all this year and lack a solid defense, still at #5
- Georgia looks absolutely inept offensively, South Carolina just lost to a G5 team mostly handily and that didn't seem to change much in the committee's eyes.
- PAC 12 is struggling. championship game will be interesting for them
- I fucking hate the SEC. there, I said it. I know this OSU team is chomping at the bit for a chance at LSU, Bama, Georgia, and Clemson. just keep winning baby. we've got this.
Paralyze resistance with persistence. - Woody Hayes
first #1 team to ever win in the CFP and drop the week after...that would happen to the Buckeyes (granted LSU had a great win, it's still hilarious though)
Undefeated FSU dropped from 2 to 3 and from 3 to 4 in 2014. It’s not like it wasn’t going to happen eventually to a #1 team.
Interesting, I forgot about that completely.
Regardless I'm not upset. I'm part of the "unrank us, you cowards" crowd so moving down a notch is perfectly fine with me!
True, but it isn't like we squeaked by Maryland or looked bad winning (which was why FSU dropped in the rankings). Does the selection committee realize that the yardage and points that Maryland got came against our 2nd string, 3rd string, and walk-ons or that our starters only played until halftime?
Not overly surprised that the selection committee jumped LSU over us since they beat a decent Alabama team but if the committee really is supposed to rank the best teams 1-4...OSU is the most complete team.
With that logic now being displayed by the selection committee, if both LSU and OSU win out, the Buckeyes should finish on top.
I did find it interesting that the committee believes that Texas is really good and deserves its ranking in the top 25.
Yeah. I don’t get any of the Big XII teams at the bottom. Texas, KSU, and Ok State all have three losses and are still in the bottom of the Top 25. Although by the end of the season there’ll be a few more 3-loss teams down there with them.
I like it. Number 2 is perfect
... for now.
Kind of wish we are 3 going into the OSU game. Reasons should be obvious
I'm not entirely surprised by the rankings of the top 10. Just keep winning. We will have a better close to the season than LSU. LSU plays Ole Miss, Arkansas, and TAMU, all of which are hot garbage. It will all work out.
Anyone else notice on their little profile blurbs at the bottom that show quality wins, SOS and such: Alabama quality win #24 Texas A&M?
And Oregon #25 Washington. Then directly after, Utah #17 ASU, (unr) Washington.
This is exactly why using rankings at the time of the game makes absolutely zero logical sense. Without even considering how much preseason guesses factor into early rankings, just the fact that beating the same team can have different weights for those that beat them is preposterous.
Not only that, but those are AP rankings... which don't matter.
Surprised to see UGA ahead of Bama. But, at least we know now that the Committee values who you beat more than who you lost to. Could be important in the final analysis.
I know that you like to do research on some things, Navy. Have you done any research on how far teams drop after a loss who play in the SEC and how far teams drop after a loss who play in other conferences?
I complied a list awhile back, but it was the AP poll not the CFP. It’s pretty comparable across conferences. The biggest deciding factors in how a far a team drops are the ranking of the team that won the game (losses to a close opponent result in a 2-4 place drop - losses to an unranked or very low Top 25 result in a 5-7 place drop), and the type of loss (blowouts cause 1-2 more spots than a one score loss.)
I’m trying to find my comprehensive spreadsheet I did a few years ago, your research has one big problem and it’s because of the preseason top 25. Placing teams in the top 13 to start a season basically/usually provides them the luxury of being in a double elimination advantage and others in a single elimination tournament. You see it in a lot of posters saying they have more quality wins but the preseason top25 decides what constitutes quality wins or losses before even one game has even been played. For example, ND is not a good team , just got destroyed by TTUN, yet look, they are still in the top 20, but Georgia’s win is still being looked at as a quality win. It’s all in the preseason bs narrative
No problem with this, as we've got potentially 3 more chances to get elite wins before the final rankings. My biggest problem is Texas going from unranked to 19th and UGA being 4th, for some reason. Also: rank Indiana, you cowards.
Aside from that, good to see Cincy move up a few spots, and hopefully Penn State can remain in the top 10 for our showdown in 2 weeks.
Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.
As the commentators said, Bama is entirely dependent now on other teams fucking up ahead of them.
In order for Bama to have a realistic shot at making the dance, at least two of the following must happen: a 2 loss Pac 12 Champ (highly unlikely), Clemson to lose at least once (unlikely) and possibly twice (inconceivable), a 2 loss Big 12 Champion (the most likely of the possibilities, given that Baylor could beat Oklahoma in the regular season and then lose in the title game or Oklahoma could beat Baylor in the regular season and lose in the title game), and a 2 loss Big Ten Champion (the only realistic path to this is if Wisconsin wins the Big Ten West and then beats Ohio State or Penn State in Indy).
So to recap, for Bama to have good odds of making it, they need Wisconsin to win the Big Ten, Utah and Oregon to drop multiple games, the Big 12 to cannibalize itself, and Clemson to stumble, or at least for two of those things to happen.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
Georgia and LSU will play each other in the SEC championship, the winner is Obviously in, the loser is out and as long as Bama wins out, they'll put them in. It'll be 2 SEC teams in. Just watch. They'll talk about this team or that team but that's what most of us know is gonna happen.
Bama and LSU can’t play in the SEC Title game. That’s why I think Bama is screwed!!
Bama hasn't needed to play in the SEC title game in the past to get into the CFP.
Same for Ohio State that one year. So what’s your point?
My point is that Alabama hasn’t had to play in the SEC CG to make the CFP in the past and always gets a huge benefit of the doubt.
Georgia and bama played last year.
And then again in the CFP.
No. That didn’t happen.
Only way Alabama is out is if Utah wins the PAC. If Oregon does and Alabama knocks off Auburn it's not gonna look good for Oregon. I think Utah and Oregon will both need to stay at one loss for Utah to jump Bama. Then of course if Baylor runs the table how do you keep them out. But I just don't see it.
Honestly, OSU is going to win it all, so they could put three sec teams in for all I care.
Four 3 loss teams is too many for the top 25.
Buckeyes are in a perfect spot. Take care of our own business and win big. All will work out perfectly.
To me, there is no need to rank 25 teams. 10 is plenty.
Yeah but then we'd have zero ranked wins and would be left out of the playoff...
Good point, so with 6 NY bowls, then we need a ranking of top 12?
“To me, there is no need to rank 25 teams. 10 is plenty.“
Then our title in 2015 would not have happened. Soooooooooooo
Oh I bet OSU is mad now. Rutgers is in trouble.
Yeah. No way this game is close now.
No problem. Would love to smack Clemson out in the first round. However, Georgia will beet LSU in Atlanta, so we’ll be #1 again and take an sec team out west to get smacked down.
Thought OSU should still be 1, but whatever. Keep giving Day and this team something to prove and a reason to feel disrespected. This team thrives off that fuel.
Whats weird is that the last time Ohio State beat a Big Ten team by 59 points they actually shot up in the CFP rankings
— Ramzy Nasrallah (@ramzy) November 13, 2019
On phone so can’t embed, but 11W Tweeted this is the first time a number one CFP team has won and dropped. Ok, fine...
but the SEC has the top undefeated team, the top two 1-loss teams, top two 2-loss teams
They are doing everything in their power to squeeze two sec teams into the playoffs again. It’s like they aren’t even trying to hide it. Frankly I would not be at all shocked if, with a few losses here and there, certain people start arguing for three.
Just win baby
A possible theory for having Georgia at 4 is so that Auburn can jump to 5 if they beat them, to give Alabama a shot at a quality win.
Georgia as 1 loss champ over LSU. They'd all be trying to figure out the talking points to justify leaving undefeated Clemson out.
Georgia beats LSU in a close one and Alabama blows out auburn. Would anyone honestly be suprised to see them trying to leave out Clemson with no quality wins?!?
Yeah except they put Penn State four last week (so two big ten teams) and PSU shit the bed. Need to stop with the fake SEC narrative.
Georgia and Bama have both shit the bed too
True. Probably still the case that losing early is better than losing late.
God help penn state
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
God doesn’t recognize Happy Valley..
Looks like another 2 SEC team in the playoff come hell or high water. When you lose late it's supposed to be a death sentence, Alabama gets rewarded for it, go figure, when Penn St gets dropped like a lead balloon and they've played a much tougher schedule.....
I really hope we play Clemson. We have a lot of payback for them.
I hope they lose to a shitty ACC team and don’t even make it in. Let them whine from home.
Is Clemsoning still a thing? I want it to be.
Can we all agree that the CFP rankings have devolved to, in no particular order, "SEC Champ" and "Placeholder for Second SEC Team"?
I'd be happy watching the sacrifice of 2 SEC teams to Chase Young in the CFP.
They spent 10 minutes tonight talking about a "chaos scenario" where UGa won the SEC but lost to Auburn or TAMU. They all said that a 2 loss SEC Champ in UGa would be in, and LSU would be in regardless, immediately after losing a game - dropping from 1 to 4 most likely... so you would have OSU vs LSU as the 1/4 and UGa vs Clemson as the 2/3. So basically Clemson gets a bye. And they were all advocating for it.
I called that the Gratuitous SEC sex scene narrated by BAMA grad Rece Davis. Gutless Kirk and clueless Joey both failed to tell him to get that weak shit outta here.
OSU could've beaten the Baltimore Ravens instead of Maryland and they still would've dropped to #2 after LSU beat Alabama.
No problem at all with any of these rankings.
It is irritating me that LSU is #1 the more I think about it. Their defense gave up 41 points and they jump us. To quote a former buckeye, that’s “ass, my dude.” Burrow is getting it done on his side of the ball, but their D gave up 38 to Texas and Vanderbilt. They are current only a 21pt fave over a team with 6 losses this coming Saturday.
I agree, but what I really want to know is what the hell is your screen name about?!?!?!?!??!!
Lol! Just something silly I picked when I was a kid. I used to call my dog that, and when the internet came along I wanted a handle that would make people chuckle.
The only way the SEC can get two teams in is if LSU loses, me thinks. Go JOEY, baby!!!
I'm okay with this. The committee has stated that they re-rank every week. LSU beating Bama in Tuscaloosa was enough for them to be ranked #1, deservedly so. However, they have no more ranked teams left and we have 2 top 15 teams in our next 3 games. If we take care of business we'll jump them again. And if Oregon & Utah keep winning, the winner of that game will likely jump Bama.
What a joke. Ohio State, AFTER hanging 73 points on Maryland, drops a spot. Not to mention, OSU is a more complete team than LSU... and I'm as far from a 'homer' as exists on here. LSU is NOT as good as OSU defensively... by a decent margin. Last week Ohio State was the best, and now, because LSU, Joe Burrow, and their simpleminded, marble-mouthed coach are this season's media darlings, Ohio State drops. I knew they would put fucking Georgia at 4 and Alabama at 5, because now there's a pathway for Bama to get bad into the top 4. This whole process is pathetic. Expand the goddamn field and have a TRUE playoff, like every other team sport in the world. Stop treating college football like girl's gymnastics, where 'judges' give scores and rank the participants.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Dude. Step away from the ledge and stop drinking. It’s gonna be alright. Sheesh.
Georgia being ahead of Penn State only makes sense to me if you consider the wins Auburn and Florida far, far superior to wins over TTUN and Iowa. That's the only way because a road loss to Minnesota is far, far superior than a home loss to South Carolina.
And thus Georgia does not belong in the top 4. You either put Minnesota in the 4 spot or you put Oregon. Neither Georgia nor Alabama belong there.
Buckeye in the desert of Washington state.
Oops. UGA has wins over 3 ranked teams now (Florida, ND, and App State; not Auburn). Even so, I wouldn't put UGA above Penn State.
UGA did not beat App St., that was Ga Southern.
Even worse. I think I was looking at an old schedule. Damn google.
Heard Bill Bender (Sporting News) on Tim May's podcast this morning, he had an astute take. He thought Georgia would be at #4 (which they were, he was right) and that they wouldn't put Alabama behind Oklahoma or Oregon because then they wouldn't have a way to put Alabama back up at #4. They of course could put Bama ahead of Georgia immediately following them losing to Auburn. But they won't put Bama in a spot where they would have to leap two conference champs because then it would be... too obvious.
And these are my words, not Bill Benders... like it or not there are "Bama rules". It's something they've grandfathered in with a decade (or more) worth of performances that merit it.
Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye
I honestly believe Bama is just completely out. They're not going to move up by their own doing in the next 2 weeks, and if there are no upsets, their best win will become Auburn's 4th loss in the Iron Bowl... thus giving them 0 wins vs a ranked opponent all season. I believe Baylor or more likely the Pac 12 champ will leapfrog them. I think you should root for Auburn, Oregon, Baylor, and LSU to just keep winning, but also I just think Bama is out.
Quick take, at least as things stand now, I see 3 teams that deserve to be in (listed 1, 2, and 3). I don't see another team that is deserving, at least with what we know so far (UGA lost to South Carolina, so sorry, but no). If the season ended today, we would be forced to draft a fourth team to fill out a bracket, and people would start arguing to expand the playoffs, not because we have that many qualified teams, but because they couldn't decide which unqualified team should be included.
If nothing much changes, it will be interesting to see how the committee values a one loss PAC12 champion over a one loss Bama who isn't a conference champion. Looks to me like the committee is doing it's best to try to get an LSU vs. Alabama rematch. But I'll definitely take where we are, Some payback to Clemson is definitely overdue.
One loss PAC team leaps Bama
It's fun that they're talking hypotheticals about SEC teams now.
If people (the committee) are hating on you, then you are doing something right..
The more you know
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It just doesn't matter...!
Anyone who is complaining that #2 beat #3 and then jumped to #1 is daft. If #2 OSU would have beaten #3 PSU and looked better, they would have done the same thing. Hell, if they beat them by 50, it might still happen!
How about App State though? They've gotta be the first ever Sun Belt team to be ranked in the CFP Rankings.
If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.
This marks the first time in the history of the College Football Playoff where the No. 1 team has won but fallen out of the top spot.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
PSU is our quarterfinal. We win, we are in.
1.) There’s no scenario where OSU still makes it without winning the B1G CG.
2.) I don’t trust the committee to put a 1-loss OSU team in the Playoffs, conference championship or not.
I agree with point #2, but your first point isn't correct. That actually happened and certainly could again, with as strong as the B1G is this year. I agree that I don't want to leave it up to an inconsistent committee, so 13-0 is our best bet!
Ohio State is at the front of the line when it comes to 1 loss non conference champions. I just don't know if they would put in Ohio State at #4 over Oregon/Utah or Big 12 champ.
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Fun question: What happens if OSU, Clemson, and Baylor win out, with UGA beating LSU? Has to be the three and UGA , right?
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Does UGA win out as well? They have Auburn and Texas A&M, two games they could lose still.
He said “IF”
He made no mention of Georgia winning out, just simply that if they beat LSU in the conference championship.
All hail the SEC. God’s gift to humanity.
Did I just hear Paul Finebaum all but outright say that, if Bama doesn’t make it in the Playoffs, it will be because Rob Mullens is biased? What a ridiculous, irresponsible thing to insinuate!
I don’t think Rob Mullens has a vote does he?
Ridiculous and irresponsible? Paul Finebaum? That's a new one... >.<
That was a strange comment. I think he basically said he'll have an issue with Rob Mullens (Oregon's AD) if it would come down to Oregon and one of the three SEC teams getting the last spot in the scenario that Georgia beat LSU.
That "unveiling" was a debacle. Nothing short of an "SEC" promo, with the logo in the background.
Play the games...
My personal opinions,
Something didn’t feel right about Wisconsin dropping one after beating Top 20 Iowa
I wonder if Minnesota will jump Utah with a win @ Top 25 Iowa
The only reason the teams from 8-16 from last week dropped, is because Minnesota vaulted past them (unless someone in there lost, but I don't think they did).
That's why I thought it was weird they were so surprised that Oklahoma dropped after a close win and were drawing comparisons to Clemson- UNC.
I get that, but beating a Top 20 team in Iowa I thought Wisconsin would jump someone.
How did a 3-Loss Texas team go from being unranked to #19 in one week?
Wins over Oklahoma State and Kansas State.
Is Georgia really a top 4 team?? It’s like the South Carolina game never happened. while they keep Oklahoma at #10 and seems like big 12 is pretty much out of the playoffs this year.
The UGA loss was just as bad as OSU’s loss to Purdue last year (granted the score was worse) but still.. they dropped us like a hot potato after that and even after beating Michigan 62-39, the best OSU could do was climb to No. 6.
Clear SEC bias.
In my opinion there is a clear cut three - Ohio State, Clemson, LSU in that order. After that is just getting teams to fill the void. UGA has nice wins over Florida and ND.
SEC on this board every Sunday with AP and Coaches poll and now CFB rankings- bitch moan complain bitch moan complain
Rinse and repeat.
Look at how many BIG teams in the top 20
The B1G is the best conference from top to bottom this year, no reason we should be in here feeling inferior to anybody. The B1G has the best team in the country as well. Better at the top, better from top to bottom.
We should not but 90% do feel inferior
What else is there to bitch and moan in nov/dec of every football season
The Browns, the weather, politics, our wives, a lot of shit
B1G still has more teams ranked in the Top 25 than any other conference, I don't know why everyone is so obsessed with the SEC in here tonight.
My updated prediction for the final college football playoff rankings
1. Ohio State
I don't know why but I think that UGA has the defense to shut down LSU's offense, but LSU doesn't have the defense to stop UGA. I think Georgia wins in Atlanta.
If that happens, I think Ga might jump Clemson...
I could see that for sure
Bama is guaranteed a spot, barring something stupid vs Auburn. Unreal how unfair the committee is year in and year out with Bama.
Alabama needs a lot of help right now. They are not in a good spot.
I think a 1 loss PAC 12 champ Oregon or Utah would get in over Bama. Bama may get in if the PAC 12 champ has 2 losses
Alabama has such a weak resume to this point, and if chalk holds, Alabama's best win of the year would be 8-4 Auburn.
You're preaching to the choir. Bama seems to be getting a pass for what they've accomplished in the past.
This is a terrible take because it is unknown what the committee will do for a 1 loss B12 for PAC 12 conference winner. This is what you aren’t taking into consideration.
What I dislike the most about this is how much value the Alabama defeat is carrying. Why is 46-41 (with the opposing team gaining 550-ish yards on you) such a great win? Isn't anyone considering that fact that Alabama really isn't that great this year - and they still scored 41 points on LSU? Does anyone in their right mind think Alabama does that to OSU if they played last Saturday (even without CY)???
All that said - none of this will matter if OSU handles their business like we are all saying they can.
Me? I'm pulling for 2 SEC teams in - so Ohio State can eviscerate two SEC teams in one helping.
Unfortunately , I believe LSU keeps the #1 spot allowing them to chose location which will be Atlanta and then New Orleans . Playoff committee played it safe by making LSU #2 and basically taking a wait and see approach . If they beat bama (which they did) then moving them up looks good . If they lost then dropping them down becomes easier. If you guys have looked at LSUs last three games they cake walk into CFP.
Should OSU be ranked #1 without the best player in America...Chase Young?? Committee must think so.
I think I'll root for both Oregon and Utah to lose, Georgia beats Auburn, Auburn beats Bama, and LSU beats Georgia. Clemson runs through ACC season and CG. Baylor and OK split the regular season and CG game, and Baylor loses one other game. MN beats Iowa, NW, and Wisky. OSU crushes PSU and TTUN. OSU beats MN in its closest game, 14 points. Playoffs, 1. LSU 2. OSU 3. Clemson, 4. MN. OSU crushes Clemson, Meyer gives Swinney a wedgie. MN ekes out upset of LSU sending SEC into a tailspin. Bucks crush MN.
If LSU beats UGA, they will put LSU and Bama in.
if LSU loses to UGA, they will put both UGA and LSU in. (they will have a hard time putting Bama in this scenario, given bama lost to LSU)
either scenario, 2 SEC teams are in.
Alabama very well may get in the playoffs, but they need help. As things stand, their best win of the year will be 4 loss Auburn, and their second best win will be 5 loss A&M. They need help.
Not surprised. LSU beat #3, Texas is back in the top 25, so they've got 4 ranked wins now to OSU's 2. Hey, LSU has been through the meat of their schedule...they've got Ole Miss, Arkansas (trash, they got DESTROYED by WESTERN Kentucky), and Texas A&M left before the SEC championship game. OSU has not. Their three toughest games are yet to come, after one more trash opponent. It's back heavy.
Speaking of teams with back heavy schedules, I bet Minnesota fans would have loved to see them higher than #8, but they've got nothing to worry about. They still got Iowa, Wisconsin, and then either OSU or a PSU that beat OSU in Indy. If they win out, they'll be in, and rightfully so. No fucks given to the Rex Ryans and their "BuT MinNeSoTa CoUlDN't bEaT BaMa or GeOrGiA oN a NeuTrAL fIelD" BS. That said, Minnesota couldn't beat OSU on a neutral field...just in the extremely unlikely event that they actually did, they'd be deserving.
Class of 2010.
And give me that semifinal with Clemson all day. I think OSU would actually kick the shit out of Georgia...plus, they owe Clemson a beating. And give me the Fiesta Bowl all day. Redemption on the same field as the embarrassment from 3 years ago (and the one from 13 years ago).
I didn’t get a chance to watch the reveal or the interview with the chairman, did they give a reason for Georgia being the top ranked 1-loss team? I think the top 3 are absolutely fine (the win this weekend for LSU gives them the more high profile wins so far this season), but UGA and Bama and 5/6 just seems like the SEC is getting the benefit of the doubt. Based on my completely biased/non-expert opinion, PSU has better wins and the ‘better loss’ when compared to both UGA and Bama. I haven’t watched much from the west coast, so can’t comment on where Oregon/Utah belong, and I’m OK with OK being in the middle of the ‘good’ 1-loss teams.
Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but the SEC has the 2 highest 1-loss and 2-loss teams. I can’t imagine that the committee looks at all the games, or do they want to spend 12 hours not picking the rankings, so maybe it’s just easier to default to the SEC, because SEC. Minny and Cincy are still getting very little respect.
I can’t see much happening at the top for the rest of the regular season assuming chalk. I’m just curious to see how the committee reacts when the rankings actually matter - how do they end up defining ‘best’: eye test or most deserving, and how many times do the switch between the 2 to explain the rankings.
ESPN folks said big wins over Florida and Notre Dame was the catalyst.
Let me ask you an honest question. You think Minnesota would beat Alabama or Georgia if they played on a neutral field?
Anything can happen in a single game (OSU vs Iowa and Purdue, UGA vs SC, Oklahoma vs. K State, etc.). I think Bama and UGA would be favored by 14+, but you never know. I would just like to see clear criteria and consistency from the rankings. If ‘best’ means eye test, so be it, but if it switches between most deserving (why LSU is ahead of OSU) and best looking (why OSU was 1 last week), within the same week, I have an issue with that - that essentially means that non-blue blood programs have little to no chance to participate, even if they’re undefeated.
If there is justice in this world, then I don't care who is number 1 and number 4, just so long as OSU plays Clemson in the first semi-final game ..... I'd like to see the look on that Huckleberry Hound head coach, when OSU drops 50 on his defense and Chase Young pummels that California surfing reject of a QB into dust ....
I have zero problem, briefly sipping to #2, as it was expected. We will have ample opportunity to regain our top spot.
After we lay 80 on Rutgers, if the committee drops us again, because it's Rutgers, I would be infuriated!
I’ve yet to see an SEC team dropped for the late season fcs win. If someone knows differently please let us know.
Not concerned. Chaos cometh, and right soon. As long as it doesn't strike the good guys, I'm gonna go pop some popcorn and watch some ships sink.
This is the best comment on this board. I love it.
I get all the frustration, but no #1 seed has ever won the playoff, so not being #1 is ok with me, if they keep bama in over one loss pac 12 or big 12 champ there will be a 6 or 8 team playoff much sooner as most of the power 5 Ad's will be done with this SEC orgy
Hey, we were the first ones to win it, might as well be the first 1s to win it as well :)
Really couldn’t give two shits about the rankings for three to four more weeks if I’m being honest though
So Georgia loses at home to a then 2-3 South Carolina, and they are now ranked 4th. I'd be happier seeing Oregon at the number 4 position, for now. Had we lost a close one, to a confernce bottom feeder earlier this ear, I'm sure it would come back to haunt us. Go Bucks and keep taking care of business.
Self admittedly, I can't hardly say SEC without throwing up in my mouth.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
let's see whose where after the B1G championship.
me? I want LSU and Clemson in there, but I'll be satisfied to see this Buckeye juggernaut run through anyone.
this is our year- I can feel it.
It. Is. Time.
Number 2 is the new number 1....
My problem is trying to inject logic into how the CFP Committee thinks and works. That being said - if we win out; things take care of themselves.
Bucks Fan since 1970
Fully agree. I honestly think the committee has gotten the 4 teams right every year. Run the table as a P5 and you are in. Suffer only one loss and win your CCG as a P5 and you are in if there's enough spots (the only team to miss out with these two scenarios was 2018 OSU who had 3 undefeated teams ahead of them and a 1-loss OU who avenged that loss in their CCG). Not a single year has the committee gotten the top 4 wrong.
I'm sour 2015 OSU missed out, but 4 teams ahead of us had a better resume and honestly that 2015 team under-performed all year until TTUN.
I'm sour 2017 Alabama got in, but OSU had two losses, Wisconsin had no quality wins, and UCF had no quality wins. It was a weak field in a year the Tide needed the field to be weak. Personally, I would have rather seen the committee go with UCF to punish OSU for a bad loss and Bama for not winning a CCG as well as playing a weak schedule, but I ultimately believe they got it right.
I'm sour 2018 OSU missed out, but our defense was awful and while 13-1 we looked nothing like a playoff teams in the Maryland and Nebraska games either.
Take away the emotions and it all comes down to 1) Run the table as a P5 and 2) if you suffer a single loss as a P5, win your CCG. 18/19 times those scenarios have resulted in a CFP appearance. Everything beyond that is semantics and meant to get ratings. Not to go conspiracy theory, but I GUARANTEE ESPN prefers movement in the rankings each week to draw interest in their CFP show. Why would anyone tune in if teams 1-4 stayed locked in position from the start. I'd love to know whether influence exists there.
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Only thing that is clear imo, is that the Buckeyes need to just win the rest of their games because this committee has not clue one about how to evaluate college football teams. Don't drop a game and leave it up to these Darwin Award winners.
Go Bucks, beat everybody!
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Okay, we'll just keep kicking tail and end up finishing out with a B10 Championship and a Natty as the #2 in the country ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dont be surprised if Minny is knocking on the door of the top 4 if they beat Iowa. The committee wanted to see them win a big game, they beat Penn St. at home. If they go on the road and beat a top 20 Iowa, they will have proved they can win big games at home and away. At that point they are undefeated, with 2 wins that are way better than anyone outside the top 4. Depending on what happens with Oklahoma/Baylor this week, I could see the committee moving Minny to 5 and the winner of Baylor/Oklahoma to 6. They start fresh every week supposedly, so it is possible.
I feel like Alabama is a dead man walking. I think they are gonna be sitting in a position where they really can't improve their resume all that much, especially if Georgia beats Auburn. As other teams get impressive wins, I just see them falling back, possible each week and especially on Chickenshit Saturday. At the end of the season, Alabama's best win would be a 4 loss Auburn, if they win that game.
I try not to listen to or watch ESPN radio or TV but found myself on Wingo & Golic or vice versa on Monday morning on the drive to work. I thought it was interesting that they decided to use the AP poll #'s after LSU's win and referred to LSU as #1 and Bama as #4. I remember hearing prior that no other poll mattered once the playoff rankings came out. Just thought it was odd. I think we all knew LSU would be #1 and why argue but it really seemed like some lobbying was going on for poor Bama at #4. Is Bama one of the top 4 teams in the country? Probably but their resume is shit. Minnesota deserves that spot at the moment but they aren't a blue blood or SEC. Have a great day, Neighbors & Buckeye Fans!
What a time to be a Buckeye and Gopher fan. My dad is from a small town in Minnesota near the SD border, and I’m born and raised in Columbus, at the OSU hospital no-less. Talking to my relatives in Minnesota, they’re as shocked as anyone that the Gophers are playing this well. Also stoked that the Vikings are having a great year too. Not a huge fan of Captain Kirk Cousins, but when he’s good, the Vikings look fantastic. Looking forward to go to the B1G Championship Game in a few weeks (if Minnesota and Ohio State make it).
Everyone is upset that we are #2. BUT we get to avenge the loss at Clemson in the semifinal. And still play LSU in the championship. That’s a pretty sweet deal. To me, thats certainly more exciting than Oregon, Bama, or GA—whoever they choose to throw in the four spot over the next few weeks.
Besides, I can drive to the Fiesta bowl in just a few hours! It’s a win-win. lol
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I called it precisely like this....I knew those SEC homers would have TWO teams in the top 4 and I was right again.....They are so predictable...
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