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"Son of bitch shit"
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Statement from Chase on his twitter, 10am 11/8/2019
This is so ridiculous. That friend is likely an agent but still. Meanwhile Cam Newton and Jameis Winston are laughing and Dabo is still golly geeing PED use.
Million dollar question ... why and how does this info come out now?
You have to investigate. You're right. Who is the family friend, is he affiliated with an agent? Where did the friend get the money? Where did you get the money to pay the friend back? How much money? This is why OSU err'd on the side of caution. Hopefully everything is on the up and up. Looks like the OP posted update this tweet, in the article now. Someone below jokingly said Vernon Gholston did it to save his record lol.
knarcisi - he met the guy the year BEFORE coming to the buckeyes. i seriously doubt it was an agent at that time.
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it does sound like a frustrating situation. he borrowed some from a family friend and paid it back. and, unlike some on here, until it's PROVEN that the friend was really an agent - i'll accept young at his word.]
it sounds like he'll be back soon.
As long as we're in the classics genre...RAT FARTS!
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Bye bye Chase.
Bye bye happiness.
I think I'ma gonna cry.
Bye bye Chase, goodbye.
Bye bye #1 access.
I feel like I could die.
Bye bye Chase, goodbye.
There goes my Chase Young with something new.
He don't look happy, I sure am blue.
He was my champ 'til he tripped in.
Goodbye to Heisman that might have been.
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Yep, you got it, Findlay, I was feeling blue about Chase, and thought of Everly Bros. singing, "Bye bye love, bye bye happiness."
Well...there goes the Heisman!
Ya know, this season was turning out too good. Something stupid was bound to come up eventually.
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And so it begins
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If it is from 2018, then if his very likely that we self reported it ... yet again.
Another rumor that is floating around is that he accepted money to fly his parents out to watch the Rose Bowl. Don't know if any of it's true or not and I don't know why they can't make it public knowledge exactly what he was supposed to do.
I mean if he took money from an agent it's pretty much cut and dried he's gone. If his parents accepted money (IF I SAID) I have no idea what the rules would be.
I thought ncaa changed a rule allowing families to travel.
We don't KNOW anything for sure and conjecture like this isn't helpful. I know human instinct is to just make presumptions and run with them but rumors are rumors, not truths.
What I do KNOW is that goddamnit, 3 days after being proclaimed #1 in the College Football Playoff, this happens and I do not believe in coincidence. I'm not spouting some worldly Ohio State bias, but I do feel like one person has an ax to grind and chose this time to do it.
I bleed scarlet...literally
We don't KNOW anything for sure and conjecture like this isn't helpful.
I'm not spouting some worldly Ohio State bias, but I do feel like one person has an ax to grind and chose this time to do it.
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We do know "something"....if he borrowed money from a family friend and repaid it how does the NCAA know about it?
The NCAA knows about it because Ohio State foolishly self reported it.
Maybe we should be grateful it happened now instead of before the PS and Michigan games
you'd've thought every AD in the country learned their lesson from how the ncaa donkeypunched mizzou
Fritz- it’s not foolish to self report. They have to or they will be playing with an ineligible player!
Could be. Heard Tim May on 97.1 a little bit ago mention something about repirations have already been made,
"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14
According to Chase's Twitter he repaid the money and is characterizing it as a loan from a family friend.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Too bad his dad doesn’t have his own church...right Cam?
That is what makes me angry. We self-report things and the NCAA comes down with an iron fist while others schools (looking at you, Alabama and Clemson) do not self-report ANYTHING and the NCAA is perfectly fine with that...
All about throwing copious amounts of shade on Alabama and Clemson, but...they have plenty of self-reported violations. It's quite common and just part of the business. Understandable when one considers how ridiculously complicated NCAA rules are. There's a reason major schools have an entire department dedicated to compliance. Shit happens...and even more shit happens when the NCAA is involved.
I'm sorrry, you don't self report violations on your best player during a title run. Beyond stupid. If the NCAA become aware of an issue, and launches and investigation, you lawyer up and deny everything. Never volunteer one piece of information to support the investigation. Try to intentionally misled the investigation every step of the way. Ohio State likes to hit the self destruct button by self reporting. School administrators' need to be fired. Absolutely moronic.
Get idea. Let's be Reggie Bush and USC! Or Jim Tressel.
or North Carolina
or Florda State
Hey Fritz - you do know since we knew and played him, we forfeit the Fing Maryland game. Is THAT what you want to happen because that’s what WOULD happen
Alabama and Clemson self-reports too much icing on cupcakes and other frivolous "violations". Anything that they know is a minor infraction and carries no penalty gets reported, anything else...they circle the wagons. At that point, the NCAA walks away and nothing comes of it.
All true. But why is this information coming to light a few days after ohio state is ranked number 1 and chase young is considered a Heisman candidate?
Except, I haven’t heard anything from the NCAA. So is Ohio State holding him out in anticipation of drawing the sting of the punishment? Unless you have information that I don’t see out there, we probably shouldn’t jump to conclusions.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
what's upsetting is the ncaa, OSU, networks, broadcasters, and those who advertise make money, and the kid has to borrow money to take a girl to the movies or dinner...
That’s called college. I did research for my professors who even back then had six figure salaries while I was borrowing money to go to school. The difference for many is that football is on TV, but it really isn’t all that different.
In this photo... Is Chase Young eating his prey? literallly
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I consider this to still be connected to the bye week. Curse of the bye week! Especially when you get "blessed" with two in a year.
I think it is the fault of that black cat in MetLife Stadium.
My first thought was also "Welp, looks like we went 1-1 against BYE this year"
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We beat the offseason this time around though :)
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Well, he apparently took a loan from a family friend but has paid it back in full according to his twitter. Don't know why this damn site never let's me post tweets anymore
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According to Chase Young’s twitter account, he stated that he took a loan from a family friend last year and he paid the loan back in full. I know that there are fake twitter accounts but what I saw looked legit. Again, I’m no expert on twitter and I don’t even have an account lol
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Fuck the NCAA
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1st...I agree with the expletive 100%
2nd... Is it possible this came to light as Ohio State prepared for a CY Heisman campaign? Is it possible, the university did an intense self audit for the express purpose of catching issues like these and dealing with them before they could derail a stretch title run?
IFF this is the worst information they uncovered and they can get it dealt with before the Penn St game, then I grant serious kudos for tOSU and its compliance department for nipping this in the bud.
Of course....I'm assuming the best of intentions and the best of scenarios in my proposals, here.
There are far more nefarious possibilities, but my snowflake soul can't handle those...
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We always get fucked for these things. Meanwhile, dudes are taking steroids, raping girls, selling their sons to the highest bidder and no one gives a shit.
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And having said that, a question.
How the hell does a private loan between an athlete (or ANYONE really) become PUBLIC?
And who the Fuck Cares? If any student who was NOT an athlete did this, nobody would think twice about it. I'm reminded (again) of Buckeye players trading their OWN memorabilia, THEIR OWN PROPERTY, for tattoos. Ohh.... really big f-ing scandal.
Words cannot express my utter loathing for the corrupt NCAA. I despise them.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
It's Brett McMurphy's fault.
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That skunk weasel hairball...he's behind this.
Wait, he's not capable, doesn't have the cahoonas ?
And those rats at eSECpn.
...and the ncaa, they ARE a permanent violation.
Guess we didn't win the bye week after all
Everybody wants to be heard, and the easiest way to be the loudest is to be the hater
Not ideal but Chase Young was only going to play a half of football the next two weeks anyway. He’ll be fully reinstated in time for the Penn State game. All eyes will be on him and he’ll have a massive game.
Fire the entire overstaffed compliance department.
We can't lay every bad student-athlete decision at the feet of the compliance department. Kids are gonna kid.
Life is full of choices. Make good ones.
I know. I’m just pissed. And I haven’t wanted to fire anyone yet this season. I’m due.
If there is an agent involved, that bastard ought to be permanently banned from contacting student-athletes anywhere. Let's direct the fire where it belongs.
If there is an agent involved, that bastard ought to be permanently banned from contacting student-athletes anywhere. Let's direct the fire where it belongs.
Exactly my thoughts, WC. And while we're at, how about compensation to the university for losing Young for a game, or more.
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Yes, Navy, and the penalties should escalate for each dime of revenue lost if they miss the B1GCG, playoffs, or NCG. These conditions would hurt not only OSU, but also the B1G at large. There has to be escalating pain, even if the outcomes of games couldn't be tied to the absence of just one person.
And now that that is out of the way - HEY CHASE: WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING?!?
While I agree, it's just unenforceable. How would you stop them?
Agents have licenses. If an agent (or anyone associated with him/her) does this shit and gets caught, they lose their license. This person will have a name if the NCAA is being told about it. Crush him to the cross. Simple.
Blame doesn’t belong on the Agent. Agents are gonna Agent. They can look but are not suppose to touch. They start sniffin’ around players lonnnngggg before it is imagined. Rules are that player can talk, as long as they don’t accept, or sign.
Sounds like you must be an agent to have that take on things...
I’m not an Agent NOR am I naive, but I know the rules. I also wear glasses, they’re just not scarlet and gray colored and believing of some grand conspiracy to take down OSU football.
But to each their own. It’s STILL on the player and their family to know and ABIDE by the rules. What (if) anything done in the dark comes to the light.
It’s NOT Compliance fault IF a rule is violated, the players are drilled adnaseum and their families too regarding improper benefits.
This is America Buckaroo. In case you haven't noticed, no one follows the rules. As an example, when you driving on the highway and there's no police around. Many people drive faster than the speed limit. Does that mean these people should go to the police station and self report they broke the law? And when you do get a ticket for speeding, you go to court and fight the ticket. And you should, it's the American way.
NCAA rules are no different. Volunteer nothing, fight every accusation.
Hope this is sarcasm, because there’s plenty of athletes that do follow the Rules.
And before folks started bashing Compliance Dept, I just wanted to put it out there, that it’s not from a lack of knowledge BY THE PLAYERS what the Rules are; they’re told repeatedly, and their families too.
This just in from somewhere out in left field..
Anyone ever think that the possibility exists a college program, we'll call them College Program A has a star athlete and College Program B could covertly send an agent to "speak" to said athlete with the intention of attempting to create a violation or even the appearance of said violation in an attempt to get the athlete suspended or ruled ineligible?
I know, I know it's tin foil hat worthy conspiracy stuff but just thinking out loud here. College coaches/programs go to great lengths to win games and I just have to wonder if this would be possible and has it ever happened?
This sounds like a plot from an Oliver Stone movie. "The agent came from the grassy knoll."
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
Any coincidence that this is a circa. 2018 violation? Anyone remember who was in charge of the program then? More noise from that era...
hopefully, minor... Coach at the time has been replaced... no further sanctions necessary?
There's always someone who needs firin'.
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There is no way they can prevent players from taking money. Their main responsibilities are making sure the players and coaches understand the rules and then appropriately reporting/resolving issues when they occur.
I'm guessing no one (outside the program and the NCAA) knows whether this one WAS self-reported (not AS bad) or not (worse).
ESPN reporting that Young has been suspended for an infraction that occurred in "2018." What a disappointing, disgusting, nauseating situation.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
And we probably self reported this.
Imagine how much fun this will become once they are able to profit from their likeness and name and will need outsiders to help them manage it all.
one of those fake azz compliance officers 'retired' recently
the rest are just a cover-up machine
DAMMIT!! It's almost like some of these guys don't know what the rules are...
This is all contingent on his family's wealth because if he comes from a Boss like family this doesn't work.
But, if he took money from an agent last year I hope he holds a press conference apologizing for letting his team down, that he knew it was against the rules, but that his family needed the money for bills, rent,car repairs for work, etc. and he knew no other way to help his family out. I hope he shames the entire motherfucking NCAA for their "we are amateur sports".
I get he's still out and you have to play by the rules at the time but I hope he burns the fucker to the ground.
Nothing happened to Auburn over Newton, the College Basketball scandal has guys on tape and in court saying Clemson is paying players and even high and mighty Michigan was caught up in it. Or Bama and their guy who ran the menswear store clothing also the players and paying for appearances. Not one damn thing done about it.
I'm not pissed he has to sit out for breaking rules. I get it. I'm pissed because it doesn't seem to affect other schools and we get hammered.
Remember when Johnny Football, got caught taking pay for autographs. Most pundits were on his side. They acknowledged it may have been against the rules but we're sympathetic to him.
A night and day difference with how tatgate was reported on.
Again, do the crime do the time and it really sucks he's gone but shit......
to be fair missing the Maryland game for something that allegedly happened in 2018 isn't exactly getting hammered.
two week suspension and back for Penn State please.
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You can blame our shitty compliance department.
I can't disagree with a single one of your points, but... A kid always has a choice, and while I can't say it with any degree of certainty, I don't think Chase comes from an underprivileged background where he needed to take money to help his family. If he did and family needed it, I get that this might have been a tough choice to make, but unless they were starving or freezing to death, his family presumably got him through 21 years of upbringing without any additional assistance - why now? On the other hand, if this is all about something like what I am hearing (parents got money for tickets to fly to the bowl game), then we're in very gray territory from where I sit with respect to the NCAA - the school should pay for these kinds of trips, and it shouldn't be viewed as an improper benefit.
You forget perhaps the worst of the offenders. The UNC athletic department changed an F to a B in 2005 to keep their second-leading scorer eligible and they went on to beat Illinois for the title that year. Then, all of their fake classes, institutional academic fraud over decades, etc. NCAA did nothing.
Hate to even ask this but any chance we get hit with Lack of institutional control for this?
Unlikely with this suspension. I'm guessing (pure speculation) that this suspension came from OSU, since the article makes it seem the NCAA hasn't made a decision yet. Now, if OSU knowingly plays him, after they knew about it, then maybe. But this seems like a preemptive suspension to be safe.
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No - especially if we are self reported which seems like might be the case. This all depends on how bad it is/was. Troy took a $500 handshake and lost, what, 2 games? There might be a scenario where he is suspended a few games, returns the money in full and we move on.
EDIT - literally right after I post this, our favorite Kyle Lamb tweets that based on the details he's heard, dont expect Young back this year but the "devil is in the details". Fuckin' hell.
If Young has already repaid the money, could it be considered predatory lending?
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Lamb is recently tweeting that the AD is optimistic about his return. Self-reported infractions play in the team's favor, usually. If the team suspends him the moment they found out then that forces the NCAA to make a determination on his eligibility. They won't be able to investigate all of this in the matter of a couple of weeks, so they'll rule he is eligible and he'll play. This is what happened with Cam Newton.
Assuming he borrowed less than 6 digits, he should already be reinstated then because Cam wasn't even out a full day.
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He was suspended a WHOLE practice...
It would have been like the SEC to at least suspend Cam for a snap or two. That would have been legit
I'm guessing .000001%
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
I mean, if he has a chance to come back, then it’s not as bad as it could be.
That said, if they are “reaching a resolution” I have to wonder if this was an NCAA violation that happened like last season or something? I have a hard time believing there would be an easy resolution if this happened like last week
I hope it didn't happen last season because the NCAA could vacate this entire 2019 season...
It always seems impossible until it's done.
I think that would be a little bit of an overreaction unless OSU knowingly played an ineligible player
Unlikely. Only if Ohio State knew about it and continued to play Young anyways. Or if it was more than just a single player involved.
Right it comes down to what Ohio State knew about it.
Ohio State did not know about it before the Wisconsin game. Gene Smith and Ryan Day are smarter than that. However, someone outside the athletic department knew about it before then and choose this time to report it and hopefully clean it up. That is my take.
Crazy it comes to light now when Ohio State is at the top. . . This stuff is calculated and premeditated. .
I never noticed it before, but that kinda looks like Nick Saban’s eye...
If it happened months ago why hold it till now?
because it’s the premier stretch of the season. That’s why! Fucking dumb
Timing seems awfully fishy, for sure
What I am really interested in is how was it discovered. Is our old buddy McMurphy at it again?
That's a very interesting question. How was this discovered if it happened in 2018. I doubt Chase Young months later confessed to the violation so how did OSU find out about this?
Curious what it could be if they think he can be cleared and return...
Kiss his Heisman chances goodbye. Just hand Burrow the trophy tomorrow night if LSU wins.
Zach Harrison your time is NOW
They can keep the heisman if Chase can come back in two games. Period.
There can be only one
If it was just contacted and did not take any real actions and no money exchanged hands then I would think it would be considered a smaller violation. Money involved, bigger issue. Then like with Troy Smith it will be about the amount.
Next man up...
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Yep, Number one NFL picks just grow on buckeye trees....
Boom. Full of dad jokes today.
In our case Harrison is as close to that as possible. But obviously not at Chase's level yet and may never be.
Apparently took money from an agent/ something with improper benefits. He’s probably done for the season knowing the NCAA
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At least it wasn't a "Tats for swag" exchange.
Is this is true, fucking shame on him for not be able to wait till the season is over. Un-freaking believable.
It’s a 2018 violation
Oh great. Will we forfeit games?
2018 violation? That leaves the door open for the NCAA to vacate every game this season. If it this wasn't dealt last year when it occurred, then OSU could have the 2019 season vacated. I hope to God it's not!
We got hammered in 2011 not because of the underlying (minor) offenses but because Tressel didn’t report them when he was made aware. Clearly Ohio State is not making that mistake again.
Yep, this^. I had also initially wondered if we would vacate wins but because OSU reported the violation we should be ok.
The Witch Hunt will be in full force against OSU though. Just watch the national vibe turn against the Buckeyes today.
If Ohio State’s public relations department is worth anything, they will make it clear that Ohio State acted appropriately as soon as they got this information and is playing by the rules, even at the risk of losing a championship season and a Heisman trophy. That deserves respect.
Correct. Tressel knews about the tattoos in April 2010 and then played the players all season. That's not the same situation as finding out a guy did something and immediately suspending him.
Exactly - and because he signed a NCAA certification form that he was not aware of any violations. That is why he was forced to resign.
Harbaugh finally beat Ohio State!
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
Lets not get carried away. Ohio State would vacate the win; Michigan doesn't get a win.
Can't wait fucking 3 months ?!
If there was an agent involved, they can be pretty relentless. Still, if you are going to go that high in the draft (which happens in April), where's the harm for either party in waiting until January or February to start shaking hands?
Read the article lol -- It's from a 2018 incident.
“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”
Comments came before the article was published lol
Someone needs to figure out Kyle Lamb's fucking source.
Hopefully the same one telling him we have a chance at landing Kelee Ringo
Or the one telling him Zach Charbonnet was going to miss "multiple games". I follow him, but he's been wrong before.
He was right that he was SCOPED though...dude had like 3 carries the next game.
The NCAA was bound to discover the alien DNA at some point.
In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 33, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 43, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16
I was going to lament my frustration with the situation, but that's been overdone, and not enough appreciation for this comment has been announced. Take your bow, friend.
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The bye week:
Zach Harrison show starting early! Next man up.
If I was certain to have millions of dollars within the next year, and all I had to do was keep my head down, work, and stay clear of distractions. I would do it 100 out of 100 times. How can you be so stupid?
What if you were guaranteed to have millions either way??? Because he is.
uh, team first
and as another stellar D-lineman said, "Best Brotherhood ever!"
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
If this is the case then what the Fuck happened to his leadership role in this new found brotherhood?? I'm going to reserve what I would like to say right now for future threads once more details are revealed.
I know you said "if" but this is premature and imop, corrosive.
I was referring to 419's comment about Chase getting millions either way so he didn't give a shit what happened.
This is very unfortunate. Hopefully it isn’t bad and Young can return soon. Could it possibly be an ingested banned substance or something to help his body recover quickly from the bruising taken from the games.
From the NCAA website (http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/topics/frequently-asked-ques...):
"The NCAA and its member schools share the responsibility of not only testing, but also educating student-athletes to prevent drug usage. The NCAA conducts testing at its championships, and year-round on campus in Division I and II programs. In addition, the majority of institutions conduct their own institutional testing programs independent of NCAA drug testing. The NCAA spends more than $6 million annually on drug testing and education in an effort to deter the use of banned and harmful substances.
What is the penalty for a positive drug test?
The penalty for a positive test for a performance-enhancing drug (PED) is strict and automatic: student-athletes lose one full year of eligibility for the first offense (25 percent of their total eligibility) and are withheld from competition for 365 days from the date of the test. A second positive test for a PED results in the loss of all remaining eligibility.
The penalty for a positive test for a substance in the cannabinoid class is withholding from competition for 50% of the season in all sports in which the student-athlete participates. A second positive test for a cannabinoid results in the loss of a year of eligibility and withholding from participation for 365 days from the test."
Hope this is not the case.
Why does this always happen to us?! Always a god damn target on our backs, wish the ncaa would take a look south
This is completely senseless .... I'm sure QB's in the BIG are doing a jig right now ..... How the hell is it even feasible that this happens .... so much for team focus .....
Columbus is a huge microcope. Same thing happens in Happy Valley, Alabama,, etc. nobody knows. Media so hungry for stories in Columbus....just the way of it.
Boy, this wasn't the news I was expecting today.
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Silver lining, we have two weeks to figure this out, and there is optimism. Hopefully early reports were correct in general and embellished in detail, which is often the case
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First report? More like worst report amiright?...
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Actually, the first casualty of war is usually the battle plan, but the truth is a close second...
Selfishness of one player. So much for the brotherhood.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
that's exactly what I was thinking. Guess the focus on Team lost out to the focus on an individuals wallet?
One player's selfish actions do not negate an entire team's selflessness and bond. C'mon now.
selfish actions from 2018, which would make more sense...not excuse it, but make more sense
Immediate gratification. The kid had a lot of stuff swirling in his head:
Hopefully this isn't the case and he gets cleared. The flip side is too difficult to imagine.
Hopefully the updated story is true, a loan to pay life expenses, that has since been paid off.
You are 100% spot on!
We don't even know the story yet, right?
You have all the facts? Go Bucks
You have to be fucking kidding me!!! What the fuck
Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft
Should beat Maryland and Rutgers without him but they will struggle vs PSU and Michigan. Changes everything they can do. And DE is full of youth and guys who can't stay healthy.
No Chase for the Heisman now. Let's just hope Young can be reinstated ASAP.
And WTF, Over?
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I think it's Fields who's been saying... the only way we get beat is to beat ourselves. Let's hope this is a temporary thing, like JT's incident.
I am here for the same reason you are.
Letterman row is saying their sources are optimistic that he returns this season, I guess that's a positive but who knows with these situations. It's good that OSU self-reported it instead of letting the NCAA find out on their own.
Lamb followed up by saying if what HE heard is true, then Young won’t be back—but Letterman Row is probably more dialed in
I wonder how the committee will treat us now. I can see them dropping OSU down because he is not there anymore.
We’re definitely dropping to #2 next week now.
We were anyway. Winner of Bama/LSU would be #1 next week no matter what
Good. I want to go to AZ for playoff game.
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
That's the marketing plan, drop OSU to #2 based on who wins the Bama/LSU game then hype the OSU/PU (yes I know it is PSU but I think PU is better) as #2 vs #3 wash rinse recycle until DEC. All about the MONEY!!!!
Losing us the only way they are out of the top 4. The winner of the LSU/Bama game was going to jump OSU anyways in the next poll. Personally I don’t care where they are ranked. But this is a huge hit for Big 10 title and National Championship chances.
It is going to hurt, no doubt. But the depth on the D-line and the rest of the D I think it will be less than losing Fields. We will be fine.
If they drop a team based off of a player that doesn't play quarterback than they have absolutely no business being in that room.
People are ridiculous. We were also told committee would never put us in the final 4 with a third string QB.
I would love to know why people are obsessing about rankings first week of November? It’s as if they don’t understand that only the last one actually matters.
Beat Maryland. That is what matters this week.
It will not impact much at all with the rankings. At least it has not in the past. Unless they and you think he is the only good thing on the defensive side of the ball and they suck without him. They sucked last year with him.
So much for “brotherhood “....
Chase we can afford to lose, Justin Fields is the real MVP of this program. This show goes on. Other guys have to step up. Period.
I don't think we can afford to lose Chase like this. He was one of the heartbeats of the team. If he's truly done due to a selfish act, it's going to be really hard for a first year coach to keep this thing on the rails.
That seems like a major exaggeration dude come on now. The season is not going off the rails because one player got suspended we have a ton of great leaders on this team. Whether we are good enough to win the title without Chase is a different question.
We lost to Purdue ~2 days after it was announced Bosa was quitting the team. These seasons ride on a razor's edge. These are 19-20 year old kids. They lose the guy they've been looking up all year long and things can absolutely go sideways quick.
They didn't lose to Purdue because of Bosa's absence. That whole defense was a shit show, and whether Bosa was thre, or not, woud've made no difference.
Q....you are missing Worthingtons point.....you are talking about the results after the fact. He is talking about the mind-set of 18-20 year olds going into a game after they just lost the team leader whom they have looked up to for a couple years and he lets them down.
No, Worthington is selectively reasoning. He was out for the season either way at that point. He was gone. Then he announced he was leaving. Maybe that impacted the team some, but they were already over the shock of losing him from any playing perspective for the year.
Only non team players fail to see the devastation that the Alpha falling can have on a team, Urban was quoted last year that even HE as experienced in leadership as he was UNDER ESTIMATED the impact losing Bosa would have on his team!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
We lost to Purdue because our defense was pathetic last year and continued to be awful for the majority of the season. I’m sure players were effected emotionally by bosa not being there for a little. But this years team is much different and our next two opponents aren’t good. We will be fine.
Disagree. Remember when Nick left? Our D was totally different. The onus now will be on Zach; how will he respond? No one can replace CY, but someone else will need to step up.
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I wouldn't say totally different... We were gassed for long runs against Oregon State and TCU prior to Nick being out... So...
For a second a I thought this was some sick of "Aprils Fools" joke in November. Fuck man. In LJ i trust
If a player can get suspended, why can't NFL agents like this be suspended or even banned from conducting future business with players?
Time for the NFL to step up. Where is their accountability?? They get a free farm system and then fuck the players with agents like this.
I don't blame Young. They're all making business decisions, and there's nothing illegal about it.
Exactly. The player gets punished and the shady agent that initiates everything gets no punishment. Terrible.
It isn't illegal for the agent to make an offer. For the player it's the end of their college career.
That's why the NFL needs to step up and police itself. The NFL is the root of the problem and it gets a free farm system.
It's actually amazing that in 2019 the NFL is not held accountable for dirty agents.
Accountability in the NFL; surely you jest?
The only hard day was yesterday
Everyone is missing the key point to all of this. Did he have AC growing up or not?
Reading reactions splattering against the wall is mildly entertaining. No one even knows what he allegedly did. Shit, he could have gotten a pair of tickets to a Blue Jackets game. Who knows?
The most important thing, as we all learned in 2010, is the the school handle the situation properly.
It's Kyle Lamb that is causing the scare. He knew about this before anyone, and is the one reporting that he doesn't expect him back. He has some crazy good sources.
Reading reactions splattering against the wall is mildly entertaining.
Man, you got that right. Amazing to watch/read so many people freaking the f out and instantly judge with basically zero actual information. Smdh. I get that this is shocking, but let's see what "it" is.
If this is indeed an agent thing, please tell me this agent loses his license.
They should make his identity public. See how he likes that press.
Whistleblower should come forward!
Y'all are overreacting.
It seems sources are optimistic he will return and also... we play Maryland this week. Heisman bummer? Sure, but oh well.
"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."
Nobody is worried about Maryland
2x account suspension survivor
Sure hope this is the case.
First thought was, "we don't need him for the next two games".
But my next thought was, "we can win out without him".
Would it be easier with him? sure. But we can still win out, and win the NC.
That said, I hope he's back for Penn State.
If this just means he doesn’t play the next two games, everyone breathes a sigh of relief. We don’t know that yet, the word indefinite is being used.
Right. And Jim Tressel’s meeting with the NCAA won’t well in 2011.
you'll have to excuse people for not being optimistic when the best player in the country just got suspended in the peak of our schedule for a team with national championship aspirations
The season was going too smooth. Ohio State was winning too easy by double the point t spread. You just knew something was going to happen.
For fuck's sake...
Hearing from multiple people with knowledge that suspension will be 1 or 2 games. He'll be back if he chooses not to shut it down.
Season not lost yet.
And why would Chase shut it down?
I don't think he would, but he is without a doubt a top 2 pick in the draft lock at the moment, and he's healthy. Let's say he's back for Penn State... first play of the game he tears his ACL. It's not impossible, and I'm sure at least one person might try and steer him in that direction.
That would have been the case before the suspension. This is different than Bosa. He's not currently injured. If OSU is undefeated while he's out, he'll be playing for the title.
As long as the team is in the hunt for the NC Chase won't shut it down. Now if he does get suspended for the rest of the year his days at OSU are over and done with obviously.
Why tisk injury before you can cash in? I have been around enough to know the idea of band of brothers idea is bull shit.
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
If that was the case he would have quit already. While I don't agree with Bosa quitting the team mid-season, at least he had a reason. Chase doesn't.
OSU statement said it is a possible violation from 2018. I don't want to sound too optimistic. But I could see this being a conservative call on suspending him.
The bigger question is, Does that negatively affect games already played in 2019?
Only if OSU knew about it. Sounds like it was self reported, which would likely mean no vacated wins.
We self reported and fully complied with Tattoogate and it cost us a Natty.
NCAA is not pleased about the player likeness laws. Watch them make an example as their last chance to get someone.
We self reported and fully complied with Tattoogate and it cost us a Natty.
I don't know what scandal you're thinking of, but OSU got hit so hard on tattoogate because Tress lied about it to the NCAA. We absolutely 100% did not self report that.
We did self report it. But Tressel knew about months before we did.
We self reported and fully complied with Tattoogate
absolutely incorrect about the tattoo thing
They did not self report that Tress lied on a form and so on. That is what got them killed there, not anything else.
Not if similar situations at other schools are indicators. The only way it would hurt is if OSU knew about it and was doing nothing. That would show they were with holding information to get him to play. Does not seem to be the case though.
Last season somehow finds a way to suck even worse
I haven’t made it all the way through the comments yet, but so far this is the comment of the day!
Let's hope Smith and Harrison are ready...because they are your starter. Cooper seems to be a limited role player at this point.
Nick Bosa's decision doesn't look so bad now, eh. Carry on ...
Apples to oranges Shiloh.
If it's a small resolvable matter wouldn't he just sit games and not be held out of practice as well?
The guys that are actually playing in the game kind of need to get ready for it.
Losing Bosa last season made a huge difference to Ohio State Football.
Losing Chase Young will be at least as impacting.
Even if Chase returns this season, his chances at the Heisman trophy are gone.
Not good news.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Not good news. But the difference from last year is that OSU now has competent coaches on the defensive side - that was obviously lacking last year and they couldn't cope with the Bosa loss.
That defense also wasn't great by any means when he was in there.
We will see how it plays out. Losing a player of that magnitude will make a difference for sure. He will be missed.
I mean, he never really had a chance of winning the Heisman. It was just going to be cool to see him come in third place.
OSU says the violation is from 2018...SMH...are we going to have to give back wins?
The only way OSU gets in any trouble is if the NCAA finds out OSU knew about it beforehand. Seems unlikely since OSU self-reported this.
I'm pretty sure you don't just give back wins for 1 guy. If it was rampant, the school knew and covered it up or coaches were paying players like Louisville basketball, then probably. Seems as though we are self reporting so that should help the schools case.
If Ohio State knew about this in 2018 and swept it under the rug, then yeah every game Chase Young played gets vacated because he should have been ruled ineligible. If Ohio State didn't know about this incident and just found out this week, then no games get vacated.
So yes it is possible the games could be vacated but since this appears to be self reported, I believe Ohio State will be fine in that area.
OSU said it’s an investigation into an alleged 2018 violation
Kyle Lamb is saying Twitter he thinks he’s done for the season IF the details he heard are true.
Let’s hope Kyle is a little off on this one too, like he was with TTUN.
I still won't mention details until they're absolutely all confirmed in type and breadth. But since the word is out on Chase Young now, I will add this: if the details are true, I don't expect Chase Young to be back. But the devil is in those details.
— Kyle Lamb (@kylamb8) November 8, 2019
That literally says nothing. Complete hedge.
The Ohio State University
University of Minnesota
He is gonna milk this for all its worth.
Exactly, this guy knows nothing. Way to cover both sides...typical
Who is this Kyle Lamb guy, a podcast boy??
Goofy podcasters/goofy websites
Class of 2010.
Who is Kyle Lamb? Seriously. I don't know.
I'm just here for the upvotes
It wouldn't be a college football season if there wasn't someone coming after the Ohio State football program. I can acknowledge I don't have enough details to feel any sort of way about this...
But regardless, I'm sick and tired of Ohio State being treated differently by the NCAA compared to the other elite football programs.
The NCAA hasn't done anything yet. OSU self-reported it. OSU is playing it clean and safe.
The NCAA hasn't done anything yet. OSU self-reported it. OSU is playing it clean and safe.
How can you make this statement, please? Do you have a reliable source for this? What is the actual "it". Please share, if you do, in fact, know more facts. That'd be awesome.
Idk maybe because OSU said they are "looking into it". And that the suspension is indefinite because the NCAA hasn't made a ruling. Is that awesome enough for ya
JT, it appear that you took my awesome comment as sarcasm or a personal dig, when it was not intended to be such. I meant it very literally. It would be awesome to get some concrete information as to what is actually going on. Right now all any of us have are rumors and guesses.
I'm not sure the process flow matters, JT. Though my comments are implied, I'm speaking to a larger issue, where the other elite programs have lightly-covered to completely ignored matters - and nobody (the NCAA nor the national sports media) seems to go after it, like it does the Ohio State football program. My question is why does OSU have to always self-report, and play it "clean and safe" - when nobody else has to worry about that.
That's because, the other elite programs (again, programs on our level) don't seem to be threatened at all by the toothless NCAA. That's my point.
Other programs squash stories much bigger than this (program wide PED use, stealing from a children's hospital to pay players, etc). Osu plays "holier" as if we think it will lessen the punishment but it just flames the fire and makes things 10x worse!
Other programs don't self report things like this and can get away with it 99.9% of the time. OSU did also until tatgate and then decided to have the compliance office. Now they self report everything and it makes it seem like we are worse than other programs.
But but but, Ohio State runs a clean program! Time for many of you to get a grip on reality. Just a shame we got caught here.
If a third party gave him benefits, not the school, and we self reported it and suspended him ahead of NCAA involvement...that makes us dirty?
You are exactly right Lou. BGSU Buck sounds like a troll disguised as an OSU fan.
OSU self reported...seems pretty clean to me.
So much for being a leader.
Obviously you have some pertinent information that none of us have, please share it. Otherwise you seem pretty douchy and stupid.
From Predator to Icarus-just like that
New depth chart out and Cooper still can't play. We have like 4 DEs and 2 are coming off injuries (Smith, Friday) and the other 2 are freshmen. If Young is done for good...OSU will be in a world of hurt heading into the stretch.
I believe that Cornell will move outside since we have good depth on the interior DL. Cornell and Smith will be just fine at DE.
Even *** if *** the Buckeyes go on to win the natty, this will put a gigantic taint on the championship!
But beating penn state/ttun w/out Young would be nice.
Half of Clemson's team was on steroids last year and no one cared, because little ole Dabo. Maybe people don't hate Day enough to crucify him and the program.
...wait, is this for real? Like, verified?
Yes and no. Yes, Clemson players tested positive for a substance commonly in some well-known PED. But Dabo said, almost word for word, "We have no idea how that substance got in our players' bodies." And nothing happened.
I don’t think this will put a gigantic taint on the championship if Ohio State reported to the NCAA and the NCAA determines eligibility going forward. It will just taint Chase Young.
They better not put a gigantic taint on that golden vagina trophy. I have a hard time not snickering when I see it now.
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Damit Meek.... I never saw it that way until I read your enlightening comment. Now I too will be seeing golden vaginas every time I glance upon that trophy. I praise you and curse you at the same time. (BTW... I see what you did there... slipping in "a giant taint" on the trophy. In this case, "Taint" has two meanings. Very clever sir.)
I'll take that tainted championship any day of the week.
On the upside Buckeye haters would hate Ohio State even more, if possible. Definitely takes the air out of the balloon re: this season.
Not a good look re: recruiting either ...
Without Young I have a feeling the natty is a long shot
No way can they win a title without Young. I'm worried about beating Penn State now honestly. Its not just him alone, its the whole pschye and mindset of the team that will be off now.
It all depends on how the team reacts to it. If they fell down on themselves and think we can't do it without him then yeah they are done.
If they step up and play harder and come together as a team they are going to be fine. Someone like Zach Harrison could take a huge leap forward.
Just a thought...play some 3-4 and have Hilliard in there as a rush linebacker.
Gigantic Taint is my Flaming Lips cover band.
If it was 2018, can we just blame it on Urban and move on?
This team just cant go a full year without some type of controversy can they? Its always something..
Big city...big media...under microscope.
ESPN also holds them to a much higher standard than ANY other university.
EVERY. GD. YEAR!!! Make it stop!
Wait... if this occured in 2018 this could mean we have been playing with an ineligible player...
As I said above, believe it only really matters if the school knew he was ineligible and played him anyway. If every violation of a player resulted in lost seasons, the damn NCAA record book would be empty.
This is correct.
OSU always has to be proactive thinking it will help while other schools do not cooperate with the NCAA and get nothing. UNC, Miami, Auburn, etc.
It is a joke. It is from 2018. Who cares...
I agree with this 100%.
It’s actually really stupid to self report at this point. Great job “compliance” dept.
If he didn’t commit a crime or hurt anyone, why self report? Turn a blind eye like the SEC and like TSUN did with the Fab 5 and Woodson. Support your program not the sham pay for play rules that no one else follows.
That is an absolutely dumb thing to say. You do realize that if OSU covers this up, the NCAA can vacate the entire 2019 season right? What damn good does it do have to Chase Young if the whole season gets vacated?
The cover up is ALWAYS worse then the crime itself. You should have learned that from TATGATE.
If it’s 2010 you’d have a great point, but it’s 2019.
I didn’t say cover it up I said turn a blind eye.
You self report so you don't get hit with lack of institutional control or worse.
Sports is getting like DIRTY POLITICS ...digging up the dirt on the opponent...in this case the opponent is the dirty scumbag journalist ....
Agree. Sports will rot on the vine if this continues. AND IT WILL.$$$$
I'm having 2011 flashbacks...please let it be minor...please...
Well, here's a completely ridiculous idea...let's wait to find out what this is all about, before jumping to conclusions :P
In the past, this program in particular has seen, "what was the player thinking", as well as, "huh? That's against the rules?" I mean, we had to back off a prospect a couple years ago 'cuz he had his picture taken with Kirk Herbstreit. Crazy stuff can happen.
What's my biggest worry? OSU often "loses it" when such adversity strikes. Remember last year's Purdue debacle? That was the first game after Nick Bosa announced he'd be leaving OSU. I hope they don't have a similar setback this year.
They HAVE to suspend him. If they catch wind of something, they can be charged with knowingly playing an ineligible player
We were all too naive to think this season could be as perfect as it seemed to be going.
Troy Smith got 2 games for taking $500
AJ Green like 4 games
I thought AJ Green was more of a tatgate thing where he sold his “own” jersey. Fucking NCAA! Implement the getting paid for likeness now and this shit goes away instead of an NCAA violation...
Todd Gurley as long go 4 games for receiving around $3000 dollars for signing autographs
**Poof** there goes Heisman
I knew things were going too well this season. Sheesh!
yeah i had the too good to be true feeling all year long, i just ignored it.
Accused violation from 2018 and it hits now? Hmm, wonder where Brett McMurphy or Tom Rinaldi fit into this...I hate them both.
We robbed the SEC of their 1 v 2 matchup this week. We must pay the penance.
Buckeye born, Buckeye bred, and when I die, I'll be Buckeye dead.
I thought Friday news dumps happened after 2pm?
Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.
This is probably a good time to refresh my hottest take: that Penn State should have been permanently Nuked 8 years ago
OSU is doing their own investigation to see if a violation even occurred. If they found out it did, then it goes to the NCAA. If they don't then it is business as usual.
Sitting him for Maryland is covering their asses while they investigate.
Exactly. Can't risk getting hit with a "knowingly playing an ineligible player"
OSU needs to get out in front of this because this is going to spin out of control fast. Also, if OSU knew about the issue in 2018 I hope they didn't try to cover it up. Apparently somebody with knowledge of the incident went behind the scenes and alerted the NCAA or a member of the press about it. I suppose if you have to miss games the next 2 weeks are the time to miss. However, if the suspension was ordered by the NCAA that means they will do the investigation and I guarantee you they will be in no hurry to do it.
So, with that I bid Mr. Young adieu. Next man up.
Buckeye since 1952.
Apparently somebody with knowledge of the incident went behind the scenes and alerted the NCAA or a member of the press about it.
Do you have a source for this? Because based on the way things unfolded it seems like Ohio State initiated the action.
Per your, "if OSU knew about the issue in 2018 I hope they didn't try to cover it up"...maybe and hopefully, the fact of Young's captaincy is an indicator OSU knew nothing?
Ohio State talking points in the National Media are gonna be sweet, now.
Vernon Gholston REALLY wanted to hang onto that sack record. Damn.
Never trust ANYBODY from Michigan.
What in the actual fuck???
Just wonder if this impacts all previously played games. Its one thing if you have a player suspended, but totally another that would jeopardize the season.
It depends on what Ohio State knew about the situation. If they knew about the violation and played him anyways. That cover up means every game he played in gets vacated. If OSU was unaware about the situation which seems to be the likely case then OSU is fine and just has to play the rest of the season without Young.
This is pretty ironic (not to mention hypocritical, but hey it's the NCAA) given the recent NCAA decision to allow SAs to profit from their likeness.....
Don't think that decision takes effect immediately.
Jake Stoneburner (who is part of LR) is saying this is about a cheeseburger?
I think (hope*) that's just him joking.
Stoneburner is also saying Harbaugh is behind this. Not sure I believe that but I wouldn't know
Now that I totally believe. First thing I have believed all day
I imagine if it is really that he accepted a single meal then there is probably a good chance he will be out a game or two and will be back.
If he simply accepted a meal, usually they make the athlete pay the cost of the meal out of pocket and move on. If it was taking money from an agent like the rumors then its more likely he gets suspended a few games.
I'm pretty sure that's just an analogy and an example of how harsh the NCAA can be towards student athletes. Burrow brought up the cheeseburger example early on in his tenure at OSU as well. Apparently the NCAA has such harsh restrictions on college athletes working paying part-time jobs that it makes it difficult for them to have enough money simply to live off of at times.
From Bill Greene at Bucknuts:
Regrading Chase Young:
1- The people I trust the most aren't saying a word which is understandable. So I'm now working down past my best sources into an area of people I'm not going to trust. And I've gotten 4 different versions so nothing concrete from me. It's not fair to do that.
2- OSU is concerned enough that they are not laughing this off and they are investigating, as they should. There's no way this gets wrapped up in 2-3 hours so my feeling is that Chase Young WILL NOT play tomorrow. That's fine. It doesn't hurt OSU and it won't hurt Chase if he's exonerated.
3- This MIGHT not concern the player directly and it could be they're looking into someone close to him. A few people feel this is the case.
4- This also might be minor enough that it's not career-ending or season-ending. I was told that is a possibility as well.
5- I wouldn't kill the kid just yet. Let all the facts come out and if he's guilty there will be plenty of time for people to get their pound of flesh from Chase's hide.
6- I hate to even say anything when my info is this flimsy but OSU has a lid on it and they SHOULD. I just feel you guys at least deserve some discussion on it from someone at 247/Bucknuts. As I get more info, I will put it right here.
7- I'm also not afraid to break a big story but I have to have the goods to do that. On this, I have very little goods I could stand behind. When I had the Urban Meyer to Ohio State story dead nailed, I broke it and beat all the big boys. I have a little above rumor on this one.
Lol that was a lot of words that said absolutely nothing. "It may or may not be a big issue and he may or may not ever play again". Thanks Bill.
Not really nothing. He is saying he can't get the actual story from good sources and all he is getting is conflicting from bad sources. When I guy whose job is to "get the story" with a good track record of doing so says he can't get the story then it seems reasonable that anyone saying they've got the story does not have the story either.
You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.
Thank you for sharing this!
When I had the Urban Meyer to Ohio State story dead nailed, I broke it and beat all the big boys. I have a little above rumor on this one.
Did he work for 11W?
Welp...we are back to last year on defense. Guess we just have to outscore everyone.
I hope Day has no mercy on Maryland.
You are overreacting. Last year’s defense had Chase Young and they sucked. Only concern is DE depth. We have a great defensive coaching staff. We give up at most 24.
This is a bad take. This defense is receiving coaching that is light years ahead of last year, and the results show. Yes Chase is a massive part of it, but every level of the defense is better this season.
We are sure going to find out...
Young was on that team. Not sure if you remember that or not. Even when Bosa was still on the team they were giving up big plays. Lighten up.
Last year's defense wasn't that great even before Bosa got hurt if we're being real.
Next man up! I feel bad for Chase and his family. But I just have to say WHY?
And just yesterday we were arguing about a noon time slot for marquee games.
*adjusts tinfoil hat*
Fox knew this was coming.
*Takes tinfoil hat and puts it on*
This was unearthed by someone in the SEC
SEC money guy takes your tinfoil hat off and replaces it with concrete boots and ride down a river.
...or this guy again.
I hate that MF'er.
The best possible outcome would be 2 game suspension and returns for Penn State game. We would be able to taste the salt from their tears through the computer screen.
I do wonder who discovered the violation to begin with, which started the investigation.
Fuck that person in particular.
It very well could have been self reported by Ohio State which would be a good thing honestly if that was the case.
Not really, there's bought examples out there of schools saying fuck you to the NCAA and getting away with it. See: Kentucky, Arizona, UNC, Alabama, Auburn for a few examples.
The day is never ruined when it has Popeye's fried chicken
OSU Class of 1999
Figured this years team was too good to be true. Same last year losing Bosa after 3 games.
Never forget how we got screwed in 98
Ok, everyone just slow your roll. Ryan Day has handled everything masterfully, there is no reason this will be different. The self imposed suspension probably means they are trying to protect this season, because they know they can get that Natty. I think Chase comes back, and he is more of an animal than ever before. If he does not come back, expect Justin Fields to steal the show. Have faith buckeyes, we got this!
“I’m so tired of flexing.”
Buck Danger with the comment of the day, so far. Well done, sir.
Now for all the PSU and TTUN folks that are jumping up and down in joy - may you pull a hammy during your celebration!
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
This makes it sound like the NCAA has already ruled:
Chase Young will miss Saturdays game and the length of his time away from the team is still undetermined. Length will be determined pending NCAA appeals. https://t.co/cpk1VBve1J
— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) November 8, 2019
So we will have a firm answer from the NCAA in about 3 years.
This seasons wins will be vacated and Ryan Day will be suspended by the university... And flogged
The violation turns out to be... Chase was 25 cents short for his Chipotle and the guy at the counter waived it.
The NCAA has disappeared plenty of college athletes for much less....
Appeals? That sounds like (1) a bad first ruling and (2) time consuming
I thought we were still at the point where OSU is doing an investigation to see if a violation occurred? How is this in the NCAA's hands already?
Hopefully this is cleared up quickly
If he took money from an agent...will OSU have to forfeit all of the games he has played in? Gotdamn!
He probably had dinner at a steak house paid for by a booster
Only if the NCAA could prove that OSU knew about it and covered it up. Which is very unlikely.
I keep checking back on 11w thinking there will be a... SYKE! post, but alas, such post does not exist.
There is enough talent that's shown on the team that they can overcome a loss of this magnitude, but make no mistake, this is huge. Tyler Friday, Tyreke Smith, Zach Harrison, and Javonte Jean-Baptiste need to have their chin straps on tight and be ready to go.
Good news is, worst case, CY isn't back, those guys have 2 weeks to get tons of snaps before the stretch run.
let's all just pray to the Buckeye gods that CY finds his way back into active roster status ASAP
My sources in Hamsterdam are telling me that Bubbles dimed Chase out for a 20 sack and some Newports
Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe
“Optimistic that we get him back this season” is thin and vague. Permission to return for post-season is this season, but so is permission to return Nov. 23. To me, optimism that they get him back this season only means that the total punishment hasn’t been decided to be the remainder of the season.
This is made all the more infuriating by the fact that, quite possibly, whatever he is being suspended for doing might be legal within the next couple years.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Because OSU just now caught wind of it. I don't know that, but I'd assume. If they did know, then we are in a whole different shit storm.
They may not have known about it until more recently.
Funny how this JUST now comes out before playing 2 of the worst teams in BIG, and not before Wisky. If true, his parents must truly be embarrassed after appearing on Fox post game with Urban.
I would be real embarrassed my son is the best college football player in the country who is about to be the number pick setting up his family for generations. He took money he didn't kill someone.
Did he take money? Where is all this evidence and information coming from? I mean you seem to know more than anyone else, where are you getting this information?
borrowed some money from a friend, paid it back last summer.
Thanks Libby, powerful rebuttal.
Well hopefully Coach Day will be pissed enough to pull the rest of his stuff out of the Offensive Playbook bag when we play PSU and TTUN. Those teams are still not stopping our offense.
He wasn't going to play past halftime in the next 2 games anyway. As long as this has a happy ending, then it isn't a major deal.
Now if this bleeds into the PSU, UM games...I will be worried. Young is the one guy that could really mess up Clifford and Patterson's time in the pocket. Long term...without him the should be able to win those games but it will be close. Do not see them beating LSU, Bama etc without him.
Am I the only one who sometimes feels paranoid in terms of the rest of the college football world is out to get OSU? Whatever the violation may have been we all know that the SEC can sweep an infraction that's 10 times worse under the rug and nobody knows the difference.
You're only paranoid if they're not out to get you.
So things were just going wayyyyyyyy too well this season, weren't they?
I tend to believe this strengthens the case for athletes profiting from their likeness. The same athletes most at risk from slimy agents stalking them would be the same ones that could legally profit the most from their likeness. This would take power away from agents and the temptation to receive impermissible benefits greatly reduced.
While much will be made about this nationally, Chase will unwittingly also be made a poster child for this cause. Spin it correctly and the NCAA will be on its heels.
Hell, Chase may have self-reported. Maybe he had an agent trying to make some money from him take him to dinner. Sheesh, I don't think this kid is an idiot. He might have just realized that being the center of attention his life is now under the strongest of microscopes, and he figured he'd need to be totally transparent. Like Soneburner said, he's gonna be in street clothes because of a hamburger... who knows? But agree with your view on the "likeness" debate.
Damn Maryland really did not want to get embarrassed by one of their own
is stoney just mad or does he have some info? interesting stuff:
The real loser in this situation is the fans of college football. The Heisman front-runner will be in street clothes because he accepted a cheeseburger? #NCAA #Corrupt
— jake stoneburner (@jake_STONEYY) November 8, 2019
Coach Harbaugh is doing all he can to try and stop the Buckeyes but it's still been 2904 days since TTUN has beat Ohio State and that number will keep climbing in a few weeks. #freechase
— jake stoneburner (@jake_STONEYY) November 8, 2019
i'm really hoping what both of these are insinuating is true...if so, talk about motivation
that was my first reaction as well, but stoney is connected with LR, so it's hard to say
Doesnt really seem like something to be joking about at 5:30 am
Yep. IIRC Burrow criticized the NCAA using a similar analogy early on in his tenure at OSU (when he was backing up JT). He basically said something along the lines of, "By NCAA standards college athletes can't even work part time and make enough money simply to live off of and buy themselves a cheeseburger."
Who cares about that he wasn't going to win it any way.
Well.. I did watch that Wisconsin game from C-Deck in the North endzone. And Chase Young definitely benefited from some improper and equally futile attempts at trying to block him.. It was only a matter of time before he was discovered...
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
It was Vernon Gholston. He was worried about his sack record. /s
lol, good one
Do we have an ETA on WHEN we will no more information, specifically, if he is suspended for 1 week, 2 weeks, the year, etc? I hate just being in the dark and WAITING while this drags on and on.
Honestly, if he's suspended for the year, just find out and ANNOUNCE IT. I just want a quick resolution either way...
No doubt, lol.
This is totally fucking up my Friday mojo
Nope. We'll just have to wait for that terrible, red "BREAKING" banner to appear at the top of 11W, either saying "Young Suspended for the rest of the 2019 season" or "Young Suspended for 3 games" etc
I'll admit that I'm naturally a pretty pessimistic person, and I know we've got absolutely nothing concrete on this yet, but I've got a pretty bad gut-feeling on this one.
Circle the wagon, boys. Beat Maryland. Take it from there.
If true about #ChaseYoung, what a statement on stupidity. Accepting traceable money from anyone is just plain stupid. You can pretend that players all over the country dont accept casino chips, cash or bitcoins, but youd be wrong.
— Matt Finkes (@MattFinkes) November 8, 2019
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
Finkes is nothing more than a, "in my days", blowhard anymore. He lives in his own world and anyone who doesn't is automatically wrong.
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
Chase Young Heisman talk starts, Ohio State ranked #1 all of the sudden some type of violation from 2018 pops up.
— jbook (@jbook37) November 8, 2019
If Ohio State is expecting him back, then I’m not worried.
Are they? Do we know for sure they are?
The article said they expect him to be back but the only things guaranteed are death and taxes.
You can never know for sure. If they are optimistic it is better than otherwise though. Really depends on everything going on with the situation.
It’s a giant nothing burger. There is no “there” there. I am assuming Young is being honest in his tweet. And why not? If he was guilty, he would remain silent.
The reason this story is on 11W is the school said he is out, and expects him back.
I'm careful these days assuming I know how guilty people will act. I've seen things recently. And not just attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
What else are they supposed to say?
Literally 100’s of other things they could say. One being “We are hopeful Chase is able to play again this season”
If they said the standard, "We are gathering more information and will have no further comment at this time" I'd 100% interpret that to mean that Chase is done at OSU. They wouldn't have publically taken the optimistic approach if they wasn't semblance of a reason to be optimistic.
He is out for good, like others before him.
I don't know of any school that would report this 8 games into the season and when it happened in 2018. Good ole Ohio State. Tries to do the right thing, will be punished heavily and then will still get killed that they cheat.
Maybe they were hoping 2 game suspension and other than preseason this is our easiest 2 game stretch?
I don't think they knew about it until now. If they new earlier he would have sat earlier.
Well then we have to thank the universe for letting it crop up at what we can all agree is an opportune time (if it had too during season vs preseason which would have been even better).
OSU didn't cheat. Chase Young cheated. If, this is in fact true.
Further proof that Sports in America is completely F'd.
ESPNU breaks this story, and one of the announcers speculates that since it goes back to 2018, it might involve an agent. They go to break. They come back, and open the next segment by saying Young is out, probably for taking money from an agent. God knows what their spin will be in half an hour.
Oh God. STOP blaming ESPN when we do something wrong. IF he took money it’s on him, not ESPN
I don't think hes giving Chase a pass, i think he is claiming that espn throws shit at a wall to see if it will stick, which isn't entirely untrue.
ESPN didn't break this story, or the Zach Smith story, but the commenters here always seem to find a way to bring it around back to them.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
It's because even though ESPN didn't break the story, they salivate when OSU trips up so it can go up on Sportscenter and be the talk of their programming. A story like this comes across Bristol's desk and it involves Bama or Clemson? It gets buried. OSU? It gets ramped up to 11 with round the clock coverage.
One thing I'll say, where is the B1G Network with all this? The premiere player on their Conference's Premier team and the Network has nothing. The B1G Network could he out in front with facts and opinions and yet is nowhere to be found. I know The B1G Network isnt a mainstream media Outlet, but they make a ton of money and will never be taken seriously if they are always shrinking away and being two days late.
What evil act did he do according to the NCAA? Was he so craven that maybe he took a selfie on the College Gameday set?
No it can't be NCAA so it isn't so.
I've read from multiple people saying it will be a 1-2 game suspension. If OSU is optimistic about him coming back then it can't be all that serious. Hopefully the NCAA decides on this quickly.
I hope this is right, but where/who are you hearing this from?
Second foosball. I dont not believe you but I'd like to know the sources. Maryland and Rutgers suspensions are fine as long as hes back for PSU
Bill Greene said that.
Rumor is he took money from an agent during/ around the season last year and somehow this has come up. I have no idea where this came from, seemingly out of the blue so lets hope that this matter is resolved and he isn't out for the year because that can have some very very bad consequences.
I dont see how he plays again at OSU if he did accept cash from someone. That stuff gets you clipped hard and with only 4 reg season games left, I dont see how NCAA/OSU let him play again for that mistake. If its something less, then maybe we see him again, but these situations rarely end up with a slap on the wrist, especially when it involves Ohio State.
It would depend on what the "improper benefit" was. A sack full of cash is kind of hard to defend. But a weird grey area, like when Braxton's face was briefly used in those Advocare ads, could be a slap on the wrist.
Troy took $500 from a booster and only got 2 games...hoping the media comes through and hounds the NCAA on their hypocrisy which could benefit Chase and a long-term suspension.
I guess the length of suspension depends A) the value or the amount of money received and B) if the NCAA applies the standards that they normally do with Ohio State or if they apply punishment as they do when it's Manziel/SEC. Because applying the latter he should only get a half game.
Haters gonna hate and Bert is gonna Bert.
Some of you are making this board read like mgo, calm down and let it play out. OSU is doing what they need to and they will be okay one way or another.
Someone correct me if they remember different. But I felt like during the Wisconsin game Meyer said something about an agent on the broadcast and I thought it was weird when he said it.
I can confirm hearing that as well. I thought it was really weird, but no one mentioned it afterwards so I sort of swept the comment under the rug
Damn, damn, double damn.
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IF he took money it depends on the amount. Smith missed 2 games for $500
Galloway missed 2 games I think for the same thing
I heard Chase picked up a penny that was heads up ahead of the wisky game... Now he's being hit with taking money AND using a performance enhancer...
Coming home for the game this weekend(9 hours), 1st time since 2014, wanted to see the predator so damn bad this sucks. Its getting old with this crap, it’s always something every year. No bosa Spence, no bosa young, now no young on this incredible season. Isn’t this shit about to be legal anyway? Who gives a shit if he shook a hand with some cash. I haven’t decided who to be bad at. Ohio State because this shit seems to happen way to often, chase young, or is this the ncaa giving us the screw job again?
You been drinking already?
BG said it could be a family member and not Young. Suspension is just because they are looking into and don't want to risk further issues.
His personal feeling is this will not be season ending. Added this is an OSU internal investigation.
If so that is unbelievably unfair to Young. Because this could easily derail the Heisman campaign.
Wasn't that what got Reggie's Heisman vacated? His mom got a house or something.
Honestly, he was never winning the heisman. Sure, this sucks for him, but that is the last thing we should care about. I just want him to be back from Penn State. That's all we should care about.
Just when I thought we would have a clean, quiet year this shit happens... I guess I'm a sucker for heartbreak
My question is... if he took cash. like literal cash, how could this be proven? You cant suspend someone based on rumors. The NCAA cant demand to look at his bank statement, and the only people who would know is Chase and the agent. And why would either one of them admit to it? How is it even possible for the NCAA to investigate something like this?
Coulda pulled a Smolet and wrote a check
Because the agent got word he wasn't going to sign with him and could easily go to a scumbag like McMurphy.
Agents are a plenty and with the College Season heading into overdrive, they are now out in full force.
Agents primary focus is securing an “informal agreement” with the draft eligible guys, and “introducing themselves” to the next crop. That a violation might’ve happened in 2018 would be no surprise, because Young would’ve been in the “next year” group last year.
Folks mistakenly think that NO contact can exist between an Agent and player; the reality is that the player can not accept anything (even a bottle of water, or a cup of coffee for the parents) until his eligibility is exhausted.
This info is drilled into the player’s heads by OSU compliance; it’s also repetitively told to the family.
Its no fault of the institution if a player or family chooses to think they can get away with something, though nothing has been proven with Young.
Sports agency is a dog eat world, I can see a scenario where a spurned agent spilled the tea on a situation (if it there’s merit to the accusation). Time will tell!
Clemson players used Steroids and nothing happened. Surely this isn't as bad but we'll get a worse punishment.
Those players were suspended...
For one game.
For one year.
I guess you don't read good: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/two-clemson-football-pla...
Also Clemson literally stated on wire tapped phone they pay basketball and football players without a hint of controversy.
"Giella played 114 snaps across 11 games in 2018 while Galloway caught five passes for 52 yards and a score."
These 2 look like sacrificial lambs to me.
This agent should just bought Chase Young's family a church. That is how the SEC gets around this.
Michigan and Ohio once fought over Toledo. Ohio Lost
Just get him back for Penn State. That's literally all I care about.
It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.
Damn. Damn. Damn. What a waste.
We can beat Maryland and Rutgers without Chase Young, but PSU at noon? I don't know. And if we lose to PSU and they go to B1G championship game... I feel like I've seen that movie before.
If we can't beat PSU (or any team) without Chase Young, then I question whether we deserve to win it all.
If you take our current depth chart lineup of Smith, Harrison, Friday and Jean-Baptiste, you have all 4 and 5 star (3 top 100 DE's) . Add in Jashon Cornell (a former 5 star), who can swing out for good measure, and even with Cooper still out on injury, if this was any other B1G team they would considered incredibly talented and dangerous and at least a top 3 unit in the B1G (if not still the best)
This is ridiculous. Brian Kelly literally killed a kid, and nothing happened. But we lose college football's best player?
Username checks out.
Brian Kelly sucks but this username is trash. Can we get this changed?
Where's the lie?
If a player took money from a agent that means he signed a deal of some sort that CY will be this agents player? I say that only why would the agent just pass money out if they didn't have some sort of deal in place. I'm not going to throw money to anyone unless we have a deal and CY could tell that agent to hit the bricks and go get more money from other agents. To be honest not sure how that agent stuff goes but who can afford to throw money away to a player with out a deal in place and something in writing?
That's you but you're not an agent. Signing Chase Young would be gold mine. They'll throw all kinds of cash at him and his family if it helps their cause.
Ohio v The World. Some things never change.
Seems someone helped get his family to the Rose Bowl last year to watch him play. Sounding more like Young wasn't given anything directly.
Where are you hearing this?
Bucknuts. BG said it is coming out little by little and that fits what he has heard
That's good news. Thanks for sharing my man!
BG: Maybe I'm underestimating the severity of this because plane tickets to the Rose Bowl fall well short of straight cash, cars, and houses. I will let others will more knowledge of NCAA rules speak to this
if that's the case, ncaa might not want to touch it. just another piece of tinder on their ongoing perception issues. let's just hope it wasn't via an agent.
Seriously this. They're going after a kid who helped his family come see him play on one of football's grandest stages? That's wholesome as hell.
Isn't that a similar issue to the Reggie Bush situation at USC? Bush only had his Heisman Trophy taken away from him for that violation and the program did face sanctions that Lane Kiffin had to deal with because Carroll fled to the NFL before the NCAA could drop the hammer down on him. Granted this sounds a little less extreme (Bush's family was actually getting free housing so that's a little more serious).
Isn't there a fund setup specifically to help players families go to bowl games? Meyer himself helped secure it a few years ago.
Not saying the story isn't true but that sounds odd.
I thought that was just for either the Playoffs or the NCG itself since it was a second road trip added to the itinerary.
That's what I thought, that schools were allowed to pay for family members to travel to bowl games
ACTION I NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE HEARING THIS.
The Future is Bright at Ohio State
I am summarizing from BG's chat on Bucknuts.
If an agent bought his family plane and/or game tickets to Pasadena, he's done for 4-5 games at a minimum, based on precedent. In other words, we've likely seen the last of the Predator.
I though the NCAA was already helping to pay for families to go to bowl games based on Urban pushing that. Or is that only for the CFP?
Well that’s not what Chase Young said happened... check out his statement...
Bill Greene says from what he is gathering he thinks 1-2 game suspension
Yep...and he doesn't think it was an agent at all. That changes the perception.
Birm just said on twitter that he knows it was an agent.
Seems to be conflicting repor