Joel Klatt is the hero we deserve
He throws out fact after fact after fact and the talking heads don't know how to respond with anything other well I don't like them so I think you are wrong.
I love Klatt. He's actually objective. My only complaint with him is his take on college football playoff expansion, but other than that, he's incredibly reasonable.
Joel has seen OSU live a few times so he may have a better perspective than most. That being said I feel like after Kanell lost his gig at ESPN he has tried to go the Skip Bayless wrestling heel route to stay relevant. I really don’t take anything he says seriously.
Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft
Klatt has easily become my favorite analyst. Schooled Cowherd the other day and consistently owns Kanell on Twitter. He's not like Skip or Cowherd who say outlandish things for clicks. Actually uses reasoning in his takes. Wish there were more like him.
Cowherd teed that up for Klatt. That was entirely an act.
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He trolls Clay Travis all the time too!
Travis is by far the biggest piece of shit in sports media.
Maybe a close second to Bert McSh*tstain...
I agree with his takes on boobs and the first amendment, but outside of that he's a giant piece of shit. Probably not worse than McMurphy though.
Both row in the same boat...both did everything they could to cost people coaching jobs and smear reputations without supporting facts.
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"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
If you're still using "durrr they beat Texas" to help your argument, you've already lost.
But... but I was told Texas was back
Yeah, back behind the woodshed.
Anyone that begins LSUs argument as to why they should be #1 with "they have a win over a top 10 Texas team" is invalid. Texas is not a top 10 team....they aren't even a top 25 team. They are in the same range as a Texas A&M team or a Michigan State team. They are an average unranked win that doesn't really mean anything.
They are in the same range as a Texas A&M team or a Michigan State team
Michigan State at least has a serviceable defense
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Ehh, yeah but Michigan States' offense is equally as bad as Texas' defense. They are a wash.
I'd guess vegas puts UT -9.5 over MSU at a neutral site.
Let's remember that Vegas is making predictions about how bettors bet, now how football teams perform. If they set their line right, it wouldn't matter if MSU lost by 10 or won by 70. Vegas wins either way.
But you're probably right, Vegas might favor Texas by 7-10, because the public perception is that Texas is a good team and MSU is not.
Is that the over/under on the number of points Michigan State scores?
They love using the "they were ranked...when they played". Stupidest argument anyone can make but rarely do they get called on it.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
If they were top ten when you played them and you are the only team that has beat them then that argument is fine. That argument falls away once you see they have lost 2 more times and gave up almost 50 to KANSAS!
Top 10 for the first game of the season with no idea how good they actually are.
exactly. ranking when you played them is meaningless. all you are saying is that a bunch of people didn't realize how bad the team was when you played them but with more data they now know.
especially when the ranking in question is by the AP poll.. which is neither here nor there when it comes to the CFP committee poll they are arguing about.
It blows my mind that everyone from casual fans to TV experts still can't get this straight. It's been 5 years
I usually like Danny Kanell's takes on football. For a long time he was the only analyst on ESPN not beating the SEC drum.
But in this case, he's in the Joey Galloway camp of last year's number one is number one until beaten. And that's just flat wrong. Clemson this season reminds me so much of 2014 FSU, it's scary. The fact that Kanell can't see that is funny.
I disagree with that FSU comparison. The 2014 FSU team was on the ropes so many times, it was a miracle they went undefeated in the regular season. This Clemson team, aside from UNC game has beaten everyone convincingly so far -even if their schedule is complete trash.
They're just as mistake-prone as 2014 FSU
2014 FSU played in SEVEN one possession games, and turned the ball over 27 times in 13 games. Clemson has played in one one possession game and has 13 turnovers in 9 games.
People tried to shoehorn "2014 FSU" onto Clemson after the UNC game, but the fact of the matter is the only thing the two teams have in common is that they're both defending national champs. Clemson has dominated a terrible schedule save for one or two games, FSU routinely nearly lost to their terrible schedule.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
FSU...turned the ball over 27 times in 13 games
Clemson...has 13 turnovers in 9 games
FSU...turned the ball over 27 times in 13 games
Clemson...has 13 turnovers in 9 games
Ok, so they have ~0.56 fewer turnovers per game. I hereby revise my statement to "they're almost as mistake prone as 2014 FSU". Happy now?
Just take the L.
He's currently Klatting you on a thread about Klatt doing just this same thing.
FSU averaged 2.08 turnovers per game.
Clemson is averaging 1.44 turnovers per game.
At 0.64 more turnovers per game (math is hard), that means Florida State turned the ball over at a 43% higher clip than Clemson. In what stats class did you learn that a 43% difference is "almost" at all? That FSU turnover rate would be good for 119th in the NCAA this season, for reference.
They are not defending national champs. They are last years' national champ
Exactly. There’s a reason that the committee put Clemson outside of the top 5. Even without a loss, the public perception is they are boring to watch. Now is that fair to Clemson? Probably not. But Clemson doesn’t really play by the rules anyway. Scumbag Dabo is going to crash and burn sooner or later.
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I can’t stand these takes... Clemson should be the scariest team on everyone’s schedule , they didn’t just fall off they are probably one natty away from being the team of the decade. They thrive on these takes.. they are licking at the chops being number 5 so the can sell the lil ol Clemson narrative. This is not FSU 2014. This is a Brett V defense and from what I have heard from Clemson insider on Z Smith podcast part of Trevor Lawrence’s “slump” has more to do with his growth at running the offense by himself as opposed to Jake fromming it to Higgins and Ross and handing the ball to Etienne. They are a powerhouse program that wants ppl to doubt them...
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Speaking of takes I cant stand. The whole “clemson loves being #5” stuff is as overplayed as their one point win against unc. There are a lot of ways to motivate a team and the “chip on the shoulder mentality is one of them”. I dont see how anyone is going to convince a bunch of 20 year olds who have won two of the last three national titles of that, though. It’s really hard to play the underrated card when the media spent the entire offseason salivating about how good clemson would be.
One thing I can say about the 2014 Florida State team that this years Clemson team will not even come close to is Florida State had a lot of quit in them. That has not change since they got boat raced by Oregon that year. Dabo won't have a team that quits like Jimbo did.
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer
I listen to Kannell and McElroy each morning on my drive. Kannell is stuck in the southern world that no team could possibly be better than the best the ACC or SEC has to offer. When the stats don't support his position he quickly rotates to certain standard subjective views. "The offenses in the Big Ten are not as good as the SEC". "Because the offense aren't as good it skews how good the defenses look". "SEC or Clemson speed". "They have more talent, just look at the recruiting rankings". And the list goes on.
I like Greg McElroy. You'd figure him being a former Bama player he'd be biased to them and the SEC but he's not. He's always praising the Buckeyes every year it seems like.
He's always praising the Buckeyes every year it seems like
He had less than favorable views of JT and Weber. At times he almost sounded personally offended that JT played QB
TBH, There were a couple of times I was offended at him playing QB lol
Agree on Greg
Klatt is the man. And not because he's defending the Buckeyes. One of the few, truly objective analysts out there. He goes by what he sees on a weekly basis, admits when he's wrong and drops teams accordingly to how they're playing.
Anyone who thinks he's a Buckeye homer should listen to him just absolutely torch us for our terrible defense last year (and deservedly so). He calls it like he sees it.
He was hammering the Bucks after week one, when he said FAU outscored the Bucks 20-14 after the 5:00 mark, conveniently overlooking the fact that it was 35-7 entering the 4th quarter.
Klatt will give anyone the business, which is what I like about him. I think others are used to having apologists on their side with the media, so they dislike him by design.
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Its why I respect Klatt. Last year he torched OSU up and down because of their crappy defense. He did this weekly last year. This year he's said many times "The best defense in America is in Columbus, Ohio." He truly goes with what he sees and no a preconceived bias. He's also not like Joey Galloway and Herbie who try so hard to not be homers that they are usually dishonest in their analysis. Though Herbie this year has been one of Ohio State's biggest cheerleaders.
You are absolutely correct about Galloway and Herbie, but I'm not a Herbie hater. I think he's taken it a bit far, but for the most part he tries to be as fair as possible, which I think gets lost in Fowler slobbering on the SEC's private parts.
That is one of the funnier exchanges I've read lately.
Don't tell Danny, but Joel is our favorite. That'll just be between us.
Kanell: The only argument for Ohio State is the eye test. There is no data to back them up as #1
Klatt: Actually there is a ton of data to prove you wrong. The data shows Ohio State is better. (inserts all the data)
Kanell: Like I said, theres no data. Just eye test. I was right!
Kanell is a clown
Also arguing about whose #1 or #2 right now is really insipid. If Cincy and Indiana had worse seasons, I would be totally okay ranking us lower at 3, but the way our opponents are balling out right now, there is no way we rank lower than 2.
I agree that its kinda pointless. As long as we're in the top 4 we're good to go. I do think its important to confront the misinformation spreaders though. If we let the talking heads repeat the lie that Ohio State hasn't played anybody, then that becomes the truth. We can't let it. Ohio State has played a harder schedule top to bottom than any of the other top teams. Every piece of data backs that up. Kanell is spreading bullshit as we have come to expect from ESPN. Its about damn time somebody stood up to it. This is why I'm rooting so hard for Fox. If Fox can cut into ESPN's monopoly on college football with legit high quality coverage, ESPN will be forced to improve their quality to keep up.
You do realize Kanell doesn’t work for ESPN, right?
I think his point was that the idiocy and illogic of Kanell match what we would expect from ESPN.
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Lol you're like Beetlejuice. Mention ESPN 3 times and Cincy appears. (internet disclaimer: this joke is meant to be jovial, not adversarial)
Yes, I'm aware that Kanell no longer works for ESPN and that is my fault for trying to make two points at once and not separating them properly. Kanell is a spreader of misinformation, so also are many on ESPN. My point is, this kind of crap needs to be confronted and has gone unchecked for a long time. Now I'm not saying that ESPN is biased but I am saying they get a lot of shit wrong, and the shit they get wrong always seems to flow in one direction. While Kanell no longer works there, he is wrong in much the same way they usually are. Point being, I think its important for shows like Big Noon Kickoff, and guys like Joel Klatt to call this stuff out and provide the quality coverage and analysis that we aren't getting elsewhere. My hope is that by doing so, everyone will raise their game.
You do realize Kanell doesn’t work for ESPN, right?
Right, he works for CBS and Sirius/XM. I think many believe that ESPNU Radio is owned by ESPN, but they basically just paid for naming rights to the Sirius/XM channel that was College Sports Radio.
I really thought we would be Clemson this year, where we couldn't afford to lose a game because our schedule was garbage. I think this ranking means a 1 loss Buckeyes (as long as we don't lose to Maryland or Rutgers) is a lock. This scenario crossed my mind the other day. If Buckeyes win the next 3 games, we could lose to Michigan and will still get a top 4 seed with a B1G conference title. Imagine that, The Game could just be a glorified exhibition game this year with no negative consequences for the Buckeyes and nothing more than a moral victory for TTUN.
All that being said, this team isn't losing. There's just no one on the horizon that matches up. I do think Clemson is a team I want to avoid in that first round of the CFP though.
a loss to PSU and we are not a lock to get in.
I think this ranking means a 1 loss Buckeyes (as long as we don't lose to Maryland or Rutgers) is a lock
Not a hypothesis I care to explore
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Yeah Danny, I think that ship ("eye test" and not resume) sailed when Alabama got into the 2017 playoff despite not having a single signature win the entire season.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
I appreciate Klatt (and Kanell is usually sensible), but this whole Twitterbitch seems like a colossal waste of time to me.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Lol. You could have told me sooner.. I just spent twenty minutes scrolling through this exchange and reading all the comments...
Cheers, Hov. Congrats on the Nats win.
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
Sorry, VCB...but at least you'll know for next time.
Baseball was kind, and here's to college football coming through next.
I dream of the year were I could get a Reds World Series and a Buckeye title in the same year. The Reds will win another one at some point in my life, and when they do, I will cry like a baby. I don't know that in my life there has ever been a moment of pure joy to match the joy my 9 year old self experienced when Todd Benzinger caught the final out in the 1990 World Series. To be sure, I've had better days in my life since, but at 9 years old, that was the most significant think that had ever happened in my world and it felt damn good!
And Billy Hatcher went absolute bonkers at the plate. Everything went the Reds way the entire series.
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I know the tribe have got close a few times.
When you get your ass kicked daily on social media.....you walk away....but Danny Kanell...should fuck'n run and run fast...Joel Klatt owns him...Fuck Kanell...Go Joel...Go Bucks
Kanell has always been a clown. Who was the network executive who thought this guy had the talent to do this? Ridiculous.
Texas doesn't have a defense, and Auburn doesn't have an offense. OSU is beating one-dimensional teams by 30-40 points. LSU is beating them by 3-7.
Because LSU's defense is somewhat questionable. OSU is overall a more complete team.
To nullify Kanell's point Texas has proven as of late that they are not a very good team this year (their defense is bad and Ehlinger as of late has developed a case of the yips). I wouldn't be shocked if they finish the season unranked. If LSU manages to beat Alabama on Saturday THEN you'll have more of an argument.
Ehlinger as of late has developed a case of the yips
More like "the Becks".
I would be shocked if they (Texas) are ranked at the end of the season...
Why would anyone willingly enter into an exchange with Klatt? Joel kicks ass, every time.
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This whole thing could have been avoided if people would just do the sensible thing and just not use twitter.
by seasons end, Auburn will be an unranked 4 loss team, Texas will be an unranked 5 loss team while Wisconsin and Cincy will still be ranked. Why the angst? If LSU beats Bama..they will deserve #1 for at least 2 weeks.
If you dare to argue with Klatt, do your homework and bring your facts. Because Klatt does and brings his.
Damn I love me some Joel Klatt. BY far my favorite TV personality/expert. And not because he "supports" Ohio State, but because he uses facts and logic and isn't afraid to call out bullshit.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
If you are calling 3-loss Texas a better win than 1-loss Cincy, you've already clowned yourself.
Hell, Indiana is a better win than Texas.
The way Texas is playing we will probably get to find out come bowl season in the Beef O'Brady's Bowl
Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe
TTUN v. Texas. Calling it now.
I can see that headline now: "Former OSU assistants get another victory over Michigan"
I can guarantee that former Buckeye assistant(s) will lose that matchup.
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Here is Klatt with Cowherd today.
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Maybe I can't math today, but I see OSU's opponents record as 39-28. This would be a win percentage of 0.582.
If you remove 7-1 Cinci, the numbers are 32-27, for a percentage of .542, which is basically the same as LSU and makes that argument invalid.
Really like Klatt. Love his simple use of records and numbers to bolster his position. All analysts are going to be wrong sometime or other, but when you use data correctly, you have to accept the analysis, whether you like it or not. The proof is when Klatt uses data to trash your own team. If all you can do is shrug, but you aren't apoplectic about what he says, it is a strong indication of the validity of his analysis.
Joel Klatt is putting his money where his mouth is, telling it like it is and backing it up!
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Joel Klatt does it the way it should be done. Along with Gus Johnson they are the best combo in the business.
I mean LSU is bogged down because of those mighty FCS northwestern state demons 1-8 record
I enjoy Klatt but Buckeye fans need to beware: he is just waiting for an opportunity to jump on the Harbaugh bandwagon. He was all over him for the first few years Harbaugh returned to Ann Arbor. This being said, I love all the free recruiting he is doing for us right now.
I think the average fan struggles to realize that SOS isn't just the best team or two you played, but how strong your schedule is from the very toughest opponent to the very weakest opponent.
Ohio State has already played their Texas, they are called Michigan State.
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Beat a 3-loss Texas barely, and giving up 38 points. Barely beat Florida. And barely beat Auburn, at home, with a terrible showing from Bo Nix - Auburn’s offense couldn’t move the ball.
He knocks our Wisconsin win, but OSU didn’t barely beat them. They dropped their pants and spanked them.
Gave up 38 to Vandy too.....LSU D and Bama D are both suspect.
There are three different types of people in the world.....those who can count, and those who cannot.
Funny, the "eye test" never bothered them before when it was beneficial to other teams...
Mid-season Danny K stated on radio that he didn’t know Ohio State (and then 6-ranked) Wisconsin were scheduled to play during the regular season.
At that point, projected to be one of the biggest games of the CFB year. He didn’t know it was scheduled. That’s how much homework Danny does.
Kanell uses the ttun version of hype and excuses....facts just aren't part of his thought process.
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
His comment about that's what I don't like about the way we select a champion is just whiny baby stuff. What's not to like if you're an LSU fan you're in if you're an OSU fan you're also in. If you're a fan of expansion then consider November as a playoff and we won't have to worry about Joel klatt and Danny kanell jockeying for position in case the need to overcome a late-season loss arises.
1 criteria I haven't heard yet this year is game control you could not possibly control every game on your schedule better than we have. Average halftime score 30 to 4. Look LSU may very well be better than Ohio State. But there is not one stat or one quantifiable measurement that proves that at this point so if you can't respect the committee's decision at this point you're just an argumentative windbag.
I absolutely love what FOX is doing this year for the entire BigTen. Klatt is great but so is the Big Noon Kick-Off show. The one thing I haven’t heard yet from Klatt that I wish FOX would start discussing is the possibility of 2 BigTen teams in the CFP. IF we win out and either Penn State or Minnesota sit at the end of the year with 1 loss they should be in consideration for being in the Top4. Its the same argument the SEC makes and I know we’ll hear it from the SEC, especially if LSU trips up Bama this weekend.
Joel Klatt vs Danny Kannell twitter war?
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