Is Cowherd Right That LSU is Vastly over Rated?

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Spartan13's picture

Specifically he has them behind OSU,Bama,Clemson and PSU. So should they be #5

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seyekcuB's picture

They probably beat Clemson at home. I dont think they beat Ohio state, Bama or Oklahoma. The SEC is overrated as usual. Wisconsin might even beat them. They aren't very good defensively (texas put 38 on them) and their offense is overrated just because they have sucked so bad for so long.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

I don't know about "vastly" overrated, but I don't think they are particularly scary on defense - especially if Delpit has to miss any amount of time.

Obviously, Burrow has been great, but their running game isn't putting tons of fear into anyone. They actually remind me a little of us last year and I think the wrong matchup for them will prove that out.

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BUCKfutter's picture

i think LSU is absolutely overrated. they gave up more points to texas than oklahoma state, TCU, or oklahoma did (we all know about the big 12 juggernauts on defense).  bama's D is a big question mark mainly because of injuries. i think we have a shootout next week and may not even learn much after the two play each other.

don't get me wrong, i'm rooting for LSU, but their "quality" wins are becoming more dubious (if UGA beats florida this week, even more so). they essentially played auburn the same way oregon did, except LSU was at home instead of neutral (if oregon's coaches don't piss that one away, they win), and i don't think anyone here remotely fears oregon.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Agree. I’m convinced Bama wins this game even if Tua is in the clubhouse on the Ultra G rehabbing his ankle. 

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

If LSU can stay healthy for 4 quarters, they have a shot.  I see LSU’s depth as it’s downfall down the stretch. Especially in the D secondary.  Bama rolls. 

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NewPhilaFan's picture

Clearly their signature wins have become a bit tarnished as the season progresses, particularly Texas.

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Dstacify's picture

Texas is doing to LSU exactly what both TCU and PSU did to us last year after we beat them. PSU was supposed to be our toughest test and they went completely downhill last year after we beat them which made that less of a quality win. TCU was even worse considered they completely unraveled and were unranked by season's end. scUM and Washington ended being the only two real quality wins OSU had at the end of the year as a result.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Nobody did anything to OSU that they didn’t do to themselves. Giving up 31 points in the season opener to a team that was ranked around 125th in the country was the opening act. Which was followed up by close wins against Nebraska and Maryland (bad teams) and 31 point loss to Purdue. 
Penn state and TCU were caution signs along the way. 

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

I'm still not confident enough in LSU'S defense to say they are the top 1 or 2 team overall, but they have earned their ranking.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

With all due respect, every team at the top of the SEC this year is vastly overrated. Bama and LSU have great offenses and little else. Auburn and UGA and UF have excellent defenses and inconsistent offenses. All of that being said, LSU is probably the team out of that bunch that I'd least want to play in a championship game.

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Spartan13's picture

Alabama's defense is inarguably a top 10 defense. Most talent by far outside of OSU. The demise of their defense has been greatly exaggerated. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And the freshmen they’re playing are getting better each week. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I think it’s more about it not being the dominate, controlling force it normally is.  Yes it’s still good probably top 10 and talent everywhere, but not the normal Saban D that we’ve seen.  

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Dstacify's picture

You do realize this is a guy who believes that Dominicans as a collective whole are unintelligent right? Of course he's not right. Jeez it must be a truly shitty day on 11W if we have two posts in the Forum today about Cowturd of all people.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Anymore and we’ll have to start a separate forum just for stupid Cowherd posts. /s

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theopulas's picture

wow... didn't know that… can you give me a link or tell me where I can find that about him on Dominicans? I'll have to stop listening...

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Sunny Buck's picture

Two forum posts about Cowherd= bye week. More entertaining than another CFP playoff scenario thread.

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BrutusB's picture

The computers aren't as prone to bias like voters are, and they all seem to agree LSU is a top-3 team: https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Nope.  

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Buckeye24's picture

I think to a degree they are. Their defense is a little suspect. Texas got 38, Vanderbilt 38, Florida 28. But if Tua can’t play or is very limited and LSU wins then they have Ole Miss, Arkansas and Texas A&M to finish the season all 3 very winnable games. 

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JTstan16's picture

My dream semi-final opponent is LSU. We would absolutely blast them, then blast the winner of Bama/Clemson. 

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aj99's picture

I think we'll know in about 10 days when the play Bama. The LSU D line seems a little soft, but the offense might light Bama up for 49.

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keith7456's picture

I wouldn't go as far as to say VASTLY overrated but I would say they might be slightly overrated. Texas is a bad football team and shouldn't really count as a good win anymore. Auburn is a decent team but has no offense to speak of. Florida is a decent team but is limited on offense as well. 

Let's see what happens in the Bama game if Tua is healthy and close to 100%. If LSU has a convincing win against that I will then officially be impressed. 

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scarletgray's picture

I think LSU is a little bit over respected and I think Clemson is a little bit under respected. As for rated it's hard to tell . All the undefeated teams minus SMU and Minnesota could have a claim to a top spot at this point. Of course I feel like OSU is the best of the lot. But that doesn't mean that they couldn't get beat by one of the others

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Spartan13's picture

I think this is the most accurate take. OSU has a dominant team, Alabama is probably better than they were last year, Clemson is very quickly rounding into form, and while LSU may still be a question mark their offense is solid and will have a chance to prove itself. PSU also oddly is very high in select computer rankings. This is perhaps the best race for the title since the playoffs have started 

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Mastro16's picture

Is Clemson rounding into form? Even OSU blows out the cupcakes in years when they lose a game or two 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Clemson was up and down in 2016 too. Troy, Louisville, and NC State played them tight first half of the year, Pitt beat them at Clemson, and then we all know what happened later. Clemson deserves to be ranked 4th right now but I have no doubt they have the ability to turn it on when they need to. 

Also, Clemson has blown out most of their opponents this season. They've taken some time to get going in some games but the only game they had a real issue in was UNC. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Klatt’s not wrong. 

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cecsix's picture

There should be a complete subforum here just to discuss stupid sh1t Colin Cowherd says.  

LSU may be overrated, depending how you define it.  But they have impressive wins, something Bama and Clemson do not have. So they're deserving of their top 1/2 ranking, IMO.  We'll find out in 11 days if they're for real or not. 

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Keze's picture

YES

wasn't for Joe they would be just so so

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Spartan13's picture

I am curios to see how Bama, LSU, and Georgia will be next year without their QBs who all may literally be the best QB their program has ever had. 

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keith7456's picture

I expect LSU and Georgia to struggle. Bama will probably be fine.

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Hovenaut's picture

Colin Cowherd is crushing the bye week today.

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Il_Padrino's picture

I'd say that Alabama and Clemson are far more overrated than LSU. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Alabama's defense gave up a lot of rushing yards to Tennessee, and the Vols were in the game in the second half. Texas ATM, Ole Miss and South Carolina also had decent offensive production against Alabama.
I'm not sold on Alabama's defensive front 7 being championship level, yet.
If Burrow is able to get in rhythm, and LSU OL can pass protect good enough, I have no doubt LSU can beat Alabama. I wouldnt bet my life savings on it, though.

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Il_Padrino's picture

I'm betting the farm that LSU exposes them - the shame is that the rankings will not reflect UNLESS LSU unleashes hell fire and crushes them 50 to 0.  Even then AlaBaba will only fall 1 spot because "SEspnC is so tough"....  I digress. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

In regards to how far Alabama may fall if they are beaten by LSU, and that is a big if, obviously score difference will matter. However I came across an article, that even if Tua is healthy enough to play, his injury is already being tossed out as a reason Alabama should not drop, if they were to lose.....its somewhat remarkable to me.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/10/cfp-chai...
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Il_Padrino's picture

Because in the SEC losses mean more... 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Alabama (after a home loss)should fall as far as undefeated Oklahoma and Penn State will have fallen for a road loss. But we all know Alabama will still be top 6, but there really is no good reason as to why.

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Il_Padrino's picture

You nailed that = SEspnC losses just mean more... 

AlaBaba lost on their home field and should be held accountable for that loss.  They have not been. 

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Gmac44135's picture

The field that LSU played on was pretty terrible so I think that may have played a part in their performance. One particular play that I remembered was when Joe Burrow went for the QB sneak and he slid on his first step, causing them to miss the sneak. Also, if the field was in better condition, Burrow could of been gone for the year after a helmet to knee hit. So maybe LSU was playing a bit conservative knowing that Nix couldn't complete a pass.

LSU actually reminds me of last year's Ohio State team with a marginally better coached defense. A big difference is that LSU does not have a pass rush, let alone Chase Young. I don't think they are vastly overrated, but I definitely feel Ohio State is better. We easily have a better defense and running game than LSU.

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bd2999's picture

He is wrong. LSU has some weaknesses but they are a good team. No way around that. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I admit I didn’t watch the video so I may be taking you comment out of context, but you can still be vastly overrated and still be a good team.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Is LSU overrated? Let's just say no more or no less than any other SEC team that's undefeated in November - they're all overrated due to Alabama's dominance in the CFP era.

They'll come back down to earth, just like the rest. 

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Mastro16's picture

Remember that time Mississippi State was going to win the SEC and No. 1 Seed?

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Was that like the same week when Ole Miss was also supposed to be the 1 seed lmao

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

LSU isn’t vastly overrated, but the more I study them I don’t believe they can beat Ohio State, Alabama, or Clemson. 

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LvilleBuck's picture

There's a reason Vegas has them as a 7 to 10 point underdog to alabama with an unknown Tua situation. They are good but they are not the best team right now. They just have the best wins right now which is all anyone cares about.

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WorthyBuck's picture

Yes, I agree that LSU is overrated a bit. They have a decent offense but an average defense.  They are a top 10 team, but seem a level below OSU/Bama/Clemson to me.  More like oklahoma than those 3.  
 

Time will tell, I expect Bama will handle LSU rather comfortably in 2 weeks assuming tua is reasonably healthy.  

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Bucks's picture

I think LSU is slightly overrated. I also believe they will handle Alabama easily.

People are going to lose their damn minds if it happens.

The storyline of Fields vs Burrow is real ... peeps need to get prepared for it.

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Sunny Buck's picture

Fields vs Burrow is a real possibility. There is also the little issue of Chase Young that Mr. Burrow will have to deal with.

I still think Bama will beat LSU. That's just what Bama does.

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mittenst8buck's picture

To me it all hinges on the Bama game. Of course they are a very good team but probably are over rated a little.

They are winning so that is great but pre season polls set the stage for an SEC smoke show yet again. Putting all those SEC schools in the top 10 makes them look better than they are (looking at UGA). Also people thought Texas was back after beating UGA last year...which doesn't seem to be the case. Auburn isn't that great and Texas sucks. Florida is probably a legit win.

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goodlifesean's picture

Yes he's right on LSU... Well at least their defense. But I've yet to be convinced by Bama like he is.

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PhillyNut's picture

Why does anyone listen to Cowherd or his twin -separated at birth - Stephen A Smith. Neither is even entertaining let alone knowledgeable.

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OhioStGoon's picture

"Vastly"? No. But if they were to meet OSU in the playoffs we'd kick their asses, yes including you guy's favorite transfer Joe Burrow.

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southbay's picture

No not vastly but yeah overrated.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

They're going to lose to Alabama by 30.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

That would be and impressive victory for Alabama. LSU would take on the "little brother" for the foreseeable future

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teddyballgame's picture

So you're getting that Ohio State vs Wisconsin vibe then

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btalbert25's picture

I think he is right.  The marquis Texas win they had looks worse each week.  Auburn may have 4 losses in a couple of weeks, and Florida in the top 10 is a joke.  While everyone is saying wow LSU has this great resume, I'm thinking meh, it's not that great.  I know everyone loves Burrow in these parts, and their Swamp Monster coach is fun listen to (Farmer Fran is in charge!!!), but I think Bama beats them with or without Tua.  

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Joebobb's picture

Florida and Auburn in the top 10 were always rather puzzling to me. Florida has a good D, but what else? Auburn has looked pedestrian. They are a top 25 team but that is it. UT was clearly overrated early in the year. Even if 2 of their losses are to LSU and OU, they also almost lost ot Kansas and obviously had the dud against TCU in back to back weeks. It is almost like they have packed it in after the Red River game. I would not be surprised to see them at 8-5 this year

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_Patches's picture

Their schedule up to this point is certainly overrated. Texas obviously has faltered, but Florida has never impressed me in any capacity. If they lose to Georgia, they’re really just the SEC version of TTUN.

I’ll fully buy LSU until they beat Bama, it’s been way too long since they’ve done it to give them any benefit of the doubt. 

If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!

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buckinmich's picture

Overrated?  Yes.  Vastly overrated?  No.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Do I feel like they're an unbeatable juggernaut as an Alabama has looked in past years? No way.

If I had a vote and could rank teams in an official capacity, LSU would be my #1 just based off their wins. I think if you look at the teams in the mix at the top: LSU/Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson... on any given day you could make the cause for any of these teams at their best to beat any of the other, but that doesn't mean they're all equal.

LSU has just "done more" up to this point in regards to beating good teams. We'll know next week if they're the best team for sure.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Is Cowherd ever worth listening to? No. Only maybe when Klatt's on. 

But is he right? They are losing luster, but not vastly overrated. You only have so much criteria to judge a team by before going to stuff like the "eye test." Yeah, the teams that they beat while ranked turned out to not be so great and they just came off a close game that shouldn't have been close, but how many times have we justified OSU the exact same way? "TCU (or other <team>) was good, they just became demoralized and collapsed after we beat them." and "We get everyone's best shot because we're their super bowl."

So yeah, probably overrated but I wouldn't put many teams above them. 

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wigmon's picture

Tough to be "underrated" when you are ranked #1.  I'd probably go with slightly overrated.  But first, a couple of points.  Yes, their defense gave up a bunch of points against Texas, but they had a ton of injuries.  I don't think their defense is outstanding, but they have a very good secondary (when healthy) and team speed.  Their defense isn't as good as the other top 5 teams, but its not as bad as our D was last year. 

I do not think LSU is the best team in the country and I do agree that I think there are getting a little too much credit for the quality of their wins.  Not that they aren't good wins, but when I look at the composite computer polls, their top 4 wins are against 6,8,29, 52.  Ours are against 12,16,33,34 and our wins against those 4 opponents are by a much greater margin.

I would rank us #1, Bama #2, toss up with LSU and improving Clemson at #3 and improving PSU team has closed the gap on those 2 teams.
 

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Worthington Buck's picture

The whole SEC is overrated.  Outside of probably Bama, if OSU plays their best game I think they beat any of these teams by multiple TDs.

Florida should have lost to South Carolina but the refs took control of the game, that knocks them out.

Georgia's offense is stuck in neutral, everyone's assumption that Notre Dame was a top team threw people off their scent, turns out maybe both UGA and ND are not that great.

LSU can't run the ball and their defense is very suspect, but Burrow and great WRs have kept them rolling.

Bama's offense is lights out, but their defense is not up to Bama standards.  Luckily for them there schedule is backloaded (if it's loaded at all) and overall pretty light.

I think Auburn might be the second most talented team in the league, but a freshman QB played like a freshman at Florida and against LSU.

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milhouse4588's picture

Klatt said it well. Cowherd's points about the Auburn game are good points.

But LSU's offense can hang with anyone in the country, and if their defense improves even a little bit with the bye week they'll be a great team. I view them like an Oklahoma team but with a better defense. High scoring, but susceptible to giving up a lot of points.

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stxbuck's picture

Big difference between "One of the top teams in the nation b/c the polls numerically require it" and "What I think one of the top teams in the nation should look like". This ain't figure skating, it gets settled head to head.

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bwherbert's picture

LSU reminds me of OSU last year, with Joe Burrow being a slightly more mobile version of Haskins. Their offense can score on anyone, but D is another story. I expect Bama to win but am more than happy to be wrong.

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stantmann's picture

You could nitpick anybody's schedules and say overrated, weak schedule, no defensive teams, no good offenses, etc.

No, LSU is not overrated.

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

LSU deserves to be #1. However their defense is suspect and I would have trouble picking them to beat the Buckeyes on a neutral field.

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Sloopy1976's picture

So you're saying that their resume is the best but they're not the best...

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buckz4evr's picture

However their defense is suspect

Their defense is suspect? They just gave up 41 points to a team with a lame quarterback. They also gave up 38 points to Vanderbilt, 38 to Texas and 28 to Florida. There is no question their defense has been exposed. 

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scarletgray's picture

Vastly? That hyperbolic lil prick. They could very well be minutely overrated but if he actually said is vastly overratedand means he knows absolutely nothing about college football. In fact sounds like some of our posters here. Everyone sucks they suck. I only have two teams in my top 10 cuz everyone sucks. Reasonable conversation and reasonable thought is rare these days

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419Buck's picture

Umm, no. Cowherd is either marginally correct or he’s ludicrous. This is the latter. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

LSU will (probably deservedly) get credit for beating Bama but they aren’t going to win a title giving up over 500 yards like that 

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kmp10's picture

IS COWHERD RIGHT...

Almost never.

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