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seyekcuB's picture

Win out and you'll be number 1 or 2.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

I'm pretty sure if we win all the way out, we'll be #1 :) The playoff at least gets that much right.

Pain of Discipline

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Eph97's picture

Even if OSU beats Alabama and Clemson in the playoffs the polls will rank LSU #1 saying OSU hasn't played anybody yet. They will still say OSU is the most complete team, Chase Young is the best player in America, but in the end LSU will be #1 and a stat hog qb who will be a bust in the NFL will win the Heisman. That's college football "logic" for you....and if it's not completely clear I'm being a little sarcastic.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Win out and you'll be number 1 or 2.

Kind of had this pegged as rival fan’s account . 

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shiloh's picture

Someone mentioned in another thread only the #2 and #4 BCS ranked teams have won the NC so far, small sample size notwithstanding and Clemson/'bama being in a league of their own the past (4) yrs aside.

The two #4 teams that have won are the Buckeyes and 'bama = shocking!

IOW rank the Buckeyes #2 and like their chances ...

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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The Rill Dill's picture

Eight total votes separated the top 3.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

The coaches graduate assistants, on the other hand...

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

We're always whining about polls.

Can we stop? Win and we are in. That's all that matters. The constant complaining on this site about polls is quite frankly obnoxious.

and we should be a little more vocal in demanding that they receive it. 

No.  

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LCT's picture

Clear, unambiguous title.

Why did you click?

And then why did you comment?

It's football talk. Take it or leave it.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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stantmann's picture

He's whining about whining

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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LCT's picture

Yeah.

Some of these forum cops.

Sheesh.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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stantmann's picture

lol, just noticed your profile pic. I still have the originial game on the NES.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

And then why did you comment?

Because I wanted to elicit a response from my favorite acronym 

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LCT's picture

Well, you got it.

But isn't bitching about other posters' football opinions what the PL's for?

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LCT's picture

I'm an unofficial Mod now. I'll even Mod Mods as needed. But it'll mostly be about the forum cops who piss on other posters for talking football.

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Fatpants's picture

Not every comment in a thread needs to be one of agreement. “Stop whining” is a very valid football related take this season. 

PG <3 PG

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LCT's picture

Agreed. I've always embraced debate here. But OP's is a very benign post that illustrates the Real Life Takes versus Internet Takes principle in action.

My Modding will be done tactfully and respectfully, as always. Fear not.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Fatpants's picture

But this season's poll results are getting some sort of deep, visceral anger out of me that I didn't know I could have.

It’s ok to tell the author of this to chill out. (No disrespect intended Burger)

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LCT's picture

Agreed. That's too hot IME(xpert)O. But that's not what BRB (acronym!) did.

Another example: 17 Minus 1s for the thread with the quote from Fields. Why? I asked there, no takers. Forum cops? I assume. But why? Legit thread, football talk, no CP violations.

Why?

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Fatpants's picture

Threads that are perceived as critical of a player (especially a well-producing quarterback) for the good guys are often poorly received. That’s not a “forum cop” thing, that’s a fan thing. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I think that the biggest thing everyone misses about the AP and Coaches Polls is this: Everything that drives fans nuts about the absurdity of the polls are the reasons why we have a College Football Playoff committee, in the first place.

The CFP committee is required to discredit any poll using data taken before the start of competitive play.  This is specifically targeting the AP and Coaches Polls, because they create an unofficial order of merit list, which everyone knows is a garbage way to determine who the best team is, once we get to see what everyone is really made of.

The only poll that matters drops on November 5.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I wouldn't be surprised if it's LSU #1, Ohio State #2, Bama #3, and Clemson #4 based off of their fabled eye test and resume to date.  Also wouldn't be surprised for them to keep Bama/LSU 1-2 for the sake of their matchup.  The good thing is if PSU holds up their end of the bargain, we're assured of a top 4 matchup in Columbus.  

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I think that LSU and Ohio State are 1-2, no doubt.  Alabama is a lock at 3, Clemson 4, Penn State 5, and the winner of Georgia-Florida will be 6.  

Of course, this is how I think it should go.  How will it go? Could be LSU, Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, Fla/UGA, Penn State, based on the affinity for the south. We just don't know.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Also wouldn't be surprised for them to keep Bama/LSU 1-2 for the sake of their matchup

Who is “them”?  The AP Poll is comprised of writers from all over the country. And the two National guys (Davis-ESPN and Zucker-CBS) from networks in bed with the SEC have OSU #1.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

The CFP Committee...who everyone (right or wrong) equates to ESPN. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

who everyone (right or wrong) equates to ESPN. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

LSU is losing to Bama on 11/9, regardless of who starts at QB.  So I see LSU dropping a few spots anyway.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Bighemdog's picture

Not necessarily - either loser could stay in the top 5 because they lost to another top 5 team.  That leaves PSU at 5 - NOTE:  only applies to SEC teams.  If by chance PSU makes it to 4 and we beat them in a few weeks they'll drop to 27 or some shit to prove a point!

OH!

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CedarBuck92's picture

my current working opinion is that the Bama-LSU game is a close game and the loser stays top 4.

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LW O-H's picture

 Trust in the committee.

 GO BUCKS!!

"The most important statistic, is the number of wins in a season".........Woody Hayes

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I don't trust them.  In fact, I think that the composition of the committee is fundamentally flawed (as posted about five comments down).  But, they are the only poll that matters.  It is what it is.

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LW O-H's picture

Read your message about the structure of the committee, and totally agree. I forgot to put Trust the committee in italics, as I said it tongue in cheek. But, as in all things newly organized, it will have its flaws. Maybe sooner than later they will come up with a more accurate way to have the committee formed and accurately pick the most deserving four teams.

 GO BUCKS!!

"The most important statistic, is the number of wins in a season".........Woody Hayes

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Oh, I knew you were being sarcastic. 

I think that it's up to the B1G, Big XII, and Pac 12 commissioners to make them change the committee to fairly and equally represent all five conferences. 

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Buck95's picture

The only poll that matters drops on December 8.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

All I care about is top four, that's the only respect I need to see them getting. Long way yet to go, lots of things to consider. I mean assuming we win the next couple weeks, either Bama or LSU ain't gonna be there, so you have to assume we move into the top two.

Long. Way. to. Go.

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Worthington Buck's picture

I largely trust the CFP committee to get #1 right and #2 & #3 doesn't really matter all that much.

My concern, and I think we saw it last year, is the huge distinction in human perception on a "top 25 win".  I really don't think there's a huge difference between the 25th team and the 40th team in college football.  I also don't trust the committee to watch 30-40 football games a week.  So I think it's complete bull to use a "wins over top 25 metric" as an sort of barometer.  The committee is supposed to build their rankings backwards, starting at 25 and moving up.  However, I firmly believe they decide 4 / 5 / 6 and then build the rankings up to best justify their decision.  

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

The committee is supposed to build their rankings backwards, starting at 25 and moving up.

The committee starts by making an individual Top 30, which is a list of the the teams they believe to be the best 30 teams in the country, in no particular order.  They then vote on those teams, with the six teams receiving the most votes being the top six teams.

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Worthington Buck's picture

Ok,  are we pretending there's a huge difference between #30 and #31 or #40?

If AD from SEC school A comes in with Missouri and Texas A&M in their top 30 and Indiana out of it, that'll influence the ranking.  The committee is still skewed heavily to the Southeast.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I'm not pretending anything, I'm just saying what they do, according to their written protocol.
If a team shows up on three or more lists, they are voted on by all members.

I am not a fan of the composition of the CFP committee.  I agree that the southern region has a disproportionate number of members.  Personally, I think all there should be a committee chairman, who doesn't vote, but oversees the 15 members. The five conferences should each have three members, selected by the conference commissioner, and no one should ever be recused from a vote, or discussion.  If you cannot fulfill the obligations of being on the committee, then you should be removed.

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stantmann's picture

The Committee is more diverse this year than in years past. Here's the current list:

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Wargor's picture

Here's what I'm seeing:

Rob Mullens - Oregon - Pac 12
Gary Barta - Iowa - Big 10
Frank Beamer - VaTech - ACC
Paola Boivin - AzSt - Pac-12
Joe Castiglione - Okla - Big 12
Ken Hatfield - 3 schools - ACC / SEC split
Chris Howard - Air Force - Independent
Ronnie Lott - USC - Pac 12
Terry Mohjir - Ark St - Coached at KS, Big 12
Ray Ordierno - Army - Independent
R.C. Slocum - ATM - SEC
Todd Stansbury - Ga Tech - ACC
Scott Stricklin - Florida - SEC

So by my count, that is:

Pac-12: 3
ACC: 2.5
SEC: 2.5
Big 12: 2
Ind: 2
Big 10: 1

I'd buy it if you want to slide Terry into the independent column and I can see arguing that Ken Hatfield is independent due to split history.

Perhaps this is more diverse than in years past, and I don't know if any of these people is less than 100% fully objective and free from all bias; but if I were putting together a group of 13 I wouldn't have one conference clearly represented by 3 people and another represented by 1.

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LvilleBuck's picture

The AP Poll separated #1 LSU and #3 OSU by 8 votes. They basically see it as the top "tier" if you will. My guess is that the CFP committee will drop Bama to #3 because they have no good wins so far. 

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ohiopanda's picture

Yes the AP poll is essentially saying three teams are tied for number one. People need to stop acting like being 3rd is wrong or disrespectful. We are something like a couple changed ballots from 1st. 

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avail31678's picture

It's not that I feel Bucks are being disrespected.  It's just the potential outcomes that arise from all the love the South gets.  They get more of a "pass" for 1-2 losses.  You hear it here all the time - "Bucks just have to win out and they're in."  Why do we have to seemingly be perfect in the regular season when going undefeated is damn near impossible for any team?

LSU beat #9 Auburn yesterday - whoopdeedoo.  Bo Nix looked like a true freshman and Auburn's offense was not great.  So they drop one spot for losing by only 3 to LSU.  And LSU moves up (or gets more votes, depending on the poll). 

Teams like Alabama, and likely LSU this year, can have 1 loss no problem and still get in.  If the Bucks have a loss, it seems like it'll take the planets to align to get them in.  

I'll end my rant, and also admit this is all just my perception of things.  But I swear Alabama and possibly Clemson have a free path and pass to the playoffs every single year. 

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wigmon's picture

You are worrying too much about "what ifs".  As others mentioned, we are essentially in a tie in the AP poll with Bama and LSU and the only poll that matters hasn't come out yet.  Now, if the CFP comes out next week and we are 4th and the B1G teams are way down the list, then we can get our panties in a bunch together.

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Worthington Buck's picture

In fairness, Bama / Clemson have earned their standing.  If we don't mess around in 2015 and win back to back and beat Clemson (or lose a very close game) in 2016, we'd likely be looking at a lot of the same favorable standing.

My concern is further down the poll.  A two loss SEC team is ranked above both an undefeated B1G and Big 12 team.  

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avail31678's picture

A two loss SEC team is ranked above both an undefeated B1G and Big 12 team.

This is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about.  If Alabama were to lose to Auburn (I assume that's the 2-loss SEC team you're referring to), it's easier to not punish Bama and to justify keeping them in the CFP - because it's a loss against a top-10 team.

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PhillyNut's picture

But that is the inherent problem with the polls - letting past years have a material influence on this year's poll. Every year the character of teams change and it is often not the loss of a given All-American that makes a difference but it can be schedule, loss of a key assistant coach, loss of one or more players who were key to success but not really recognized at a national level, injuries, etc. This is why, at least in theory, I am glad the CFP waits until November.  The AP and Coaches polls allow last year to really impact their initial poll and then they are reluctant to move a team out if the win but win ugly (yep, Clemson, looking at you).

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Buckeyebull64's picture

This is how I’ve started looking at things. Ohio State, LSU, and Alabama are are on their own level or tier this year, and as long as that’s recognized, I can wait until after Christmas to hash out the details. 
 

I am feeling odd about the polls this year though. Florida should not be 6, they just aren’t that impressive. But then you look around and realize, if not them, then who? Minnesota should be higher, but how much? How much credit should SMU and App get?

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LvilleBuck's picture

No doubt about Florida. Oklahoma and Wisconsin would both be favored over them and Georgia is by 3.5. Even one of Utah or Oregon. Florida only has the Auburn win to go on. Other than that, their wins are lackluster: Miami by 4, UK by 8, S. Carolina by 11 (although Georgia couldn't handle them). Tennessee by 31. And two cream puff FCS blowouts. Florida should by no higher than 9 or 10. We'll see this weekend in Jacksonville. 

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

Never thought I'd be in this position, but I actually want Georgia to win this weekend.  Granted, UF will only drop about 3 spots in the polls, but I feel like Georgia is very likely to lose again to somebody.  And if they somehow manage to win out, and beat the West winner to make the CFP. Ho boy, would I love to watch OSU put a hurting on them.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Florida was gifted that SCar win by the refs, who missed a blatant hold on the game tying touchdown and a blatant PI on another one. 

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jcaseyii's picture

I watched that game. Two missed calls on two Florida scores. Talk about some help.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I am feeling odd about the polls this year though. Florida should not be 6, they just aren’t that impressive. But then you look around and realize, if not them, then who? Minnesota should be higher, but how much? How much credit should SMU and App get?

Well stated.  The problem is that the Top 1-5 seem fairly clear, but after that it's about as f-ed up as a football bat.  Just try to justify rankings in the 6-15 spots, and anyone can provide a legitimate reason that half your picks are wrong.  We're going to need a few more big games to help separate the chaff.  Thankfully, Florida-Georgia, and Utah-UW  are this weekend.  That will eliminate a 1-loss SEC East team when they take a second L, and potentially Utah in the PAC 12. Throw in SMU-Memphis, and we're one step closer to identifying a potential Group of Five candidate for the NY6.  Oh, and the game I'll be paying attention to: Army vs. Air Force. A Black Knights win means Army-Navy will be for the Commander in Chief's Trophy.

On 11/9 we get Bama-LSU, Iowa-Wisconsin, PSU-Minnesota, and SCar-App State. 

The following week is Baylor-OU, UGA-Auburn (somebody might be taking a third loss in this game) and Minnesota-Iowa.

Then it's OSU-PSU, which is the biggest game scheduled currently.

And then it's Rivalry Weekend, boys and girls.  There's a lot more drama to come.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

A Black Knights win means Army-Navy will be for the Commander in Chief's Trophy

As it should be.  

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PhillyNut's picture

Anywhere in the top 3 is fine by me. Just do not want to be in that position that is next to being left out.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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bd2999's picture

Just need to be in the top four. Do that, beat everybody in your way and not worry about it. Feels good to be ranked number one, but it is always going to have some level of randomness to it. 

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sullie's picture

If we get caught up in the polls and the BS like Wisconsin did, we'll end up like Wisconsin.  It's not where you start it's where you finish.  We're in the top 3 right now, we need to take care of business (unlike the last two years) and win out.  That's all that matters.  Seriously, there is A LOT of football left, we're ranked 3rd, if it plays like I think it will, we'll finish 1st or 2nd and if we win out we'll be on top like I think we will.  Being in the top 4 is ALL that matters, win and take care of business - boom - proof.  If we weren't in the top 4, I'd be bothered by it but (to me) we're right where I think we belong at this point.

Honest to God, I have 3 wishes for this team. 
    1.) Win out. 
    2.) Have a shot to be dabo's fake top 5 team and we POUND that team into the ground. 
    3.) Finish on top and take that trophy and title home.

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BrutusB's picture

Agree on 1 and 3, but I couldn't care less who we beat along the way.  If Oregon or Utah make the playoffs that's the same difference to me.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

I dunno man, I kinda feel like we owe Clemson one and this is absolutely the year to do it.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

We definitely owe Clemson one, but I'd be careful what we wish for.  That team is still a sleeping giant in my opinion, and they are starting to round into form. They are probably the one team I would want to avoid in the first round of the CFP.

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Ohiofoosball's picture

Totally agree. Clemson is actually who I want to play the least. Would much rather play Bama or LSU.

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jdecot's picture

Rankings at this point in the season are not really that meaningful. The AP and Coaches Polls provide some interesting chatter and a way to gauge who the top 4 teams might be in the first CFP Poll, but they are not as useful as they were during the BCS era. As Buckeye fans, we want to see OSU in the CFP and if the semi-final games were occurring next weekend, then they would be in. OSU has 5 games left before the final CFP rankings come out and PSU, TTUN, and whoever the BIG game opponent is will not be easy matchups. I think that OSU winning each game by 40 points and playing the best complementary football makes them the #1 team in the country right now, but it is not like the teams in front of them are only winning games by a couple of points. Alabama is blowing people out, Clemson is starting to come around after a slow start, and LSU is undefeated against a good schedule. The final CFP rankings will be much different 5 weeks from now anyway. I just want OSU to be one of the 4 contenders. 

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BUCKfutter's picture

i hope we stay out of #1 in all the polls until the end of the season. it literally provides no benefit to anyone other than the fanbase.

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KCAlum's picture

The last time Ohio State cruised its way to a MNC after being ranked #1 in late October is...1954.  The times Ohio State lost the MNC after being ranked #1 in late October are 1969,1970,1973,1974,1975,1998,2006 and 2015.  So I am the opposite of being concerned that we are not ranked #1 at this point in time.  In fact in 2014 at this time we were still ranked 13, which seems crazy, and would be bad this year, but I am fine with being #3/4 and not ever jumping to 1 until after that final game in New Orleans. 

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toad1204's picture

The offseason is the longest season.

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BrutusB's picture

If you're feeling frustrated and outraged at 'disrespect' when the polls have us in the top-3, you're just choosing to be upset.  It doesn't make a difference if we're 2 or 3.

Besides, our current spot is temporary anyway.  LSU/Bama winner will be 1 and we'll be 2.

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CedarBuck92's picture

I don't know man. As long as its close its a quality lose and that's better than any of our wins. 

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Buckeye24's picture

“The only poll that matters” - drops what December 8th. Everything else doesn’t matter......

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scarletgray's picture

i stopped having a problem with the polls long ago when i started looking at the individual ballots. Its not my job and beyond my ability to remove the idiots from the process but every year there is at least one (many times 3) individuals who's ballots are so far beyond the norm when it comes to our rankings that its impossible to understand how they even get a vote. Then add the fact that each voter tries to uphold the integrity of his pre-season prediction based on guesswork and presto -failure. 

you can have your own poll if you would like, I mean no one else would care but you also have the option of not caring about theirs

JDK

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droessl's picture

To quote Happy Gilmore: "Gold jacket, green jacket, who gives a shit?"

Just keep winning and the polls won't matter. 

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BIGTIMEBUCKS's picture

Let's talk December 9th. Until then, we have work to do. Wins over PSU and *ichigan and B1G Title will cement us at #1 or 2.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Maybe step away from the stats and data? You are taking this WAAAAAY too seriously. Cynicism aside the CFP are not going to keep out an undefeated OSU. The AP Poll has always been a beauty contest. What do we care if we're not the most popular? We're definitely one of the most dominant if not the most dominant. Relax. Breathe. Do some meditation and chill. Please.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

My problem with the polls is that they are reflecting either massive bias or rampant intellectual dishonesty. If you have eyes, you know OSU is the best team in the country. I don't care who won what in previous years. These are different teams.

If you were from outer space and dropped on this planet without any other information, two things would be clear to you:

1. OSU is the best team in CFB

2. Chase Young is from a planet you've not yet visited

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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burger1124's picture

This is my main point exactly. It's just frustrating that people who are paid money to literally do this for a living are so obviously falling victim to such inane examples of bias. 

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

I've given this a lot of thought as well, and I think frustrated is a fair word.  While the vote is close, bottom line is OSU is still #3 in the AP and a head scratching #4 in the coach's. They are as close to an overwhelming #1 as is possible across the board of all major analytics.  And the part that isn't adding up is almost anybody with a microphone in front of a TV is saying they are the best team in the country, yet the actual voting differs.

I am saving any real anger for when the committee rankings come out next week. I can live with LSU #1 and OSU #2, but if they are lower than that, I believe it is pitchfork time.

People saying doesn't matter win all your games and you're in.  Yeah no crap.  That is not the point.  While I do think it is good for the psyche of the team to have them underrated a bit, at a certain juncture it does matter.  And if it is taking the media still this long to acknowledge the truth, will they ever?  And on the off chance OSU drops a surprise game, will they be properly assessed against the other 1 loss teams?  Seems like not.  That's my issue right now, there is an obvious different set of standards being applied to a few teams from a certain conference down south.

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burger1124's picture

Thanks for this. I'm glad someone agrees with me. Reading the replies I thought I was going to get DV'd into oblivion.

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avail31678's picture

This puts my thoughts, which I tried to relate in a post above, into good words.  Well stated.

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Turban Meyer's picture

My biggest issue is the over ranking of SEC teams at the beginning of each season. It influences (whether you'd like to admit to it or not) everything that comes after.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

It’s kind of funny, actually, because one can go back and dig up comments from 2015 where many Buckeye fans argued the exact opposite when OSU was being ranked #1 every week. 

You’re tilting at windmills demanding “respect” when the vote is within 8 points out of over 1100. There’s less than 0.7% of the vote separating #1 from #3. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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BUCKEYE3M's picture

It was kind of like they just had the top 3 teams in alphabetical order.

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Earle's picture

Dude, don't even get me started with the damn alphabet...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Seriously. The inherent bias in that PoS is ridiculous.  Who the hell scatters the vowels all over the place? And why, their the most common, aren’t R, S, T, L and E at the front of the line?  And clearly, O should be first. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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gobucks5413's picture

Whooooo cares. We are really really really good. Put us any spot 1-4 and I feel like we are going to win the whole damn thing.

The top 4 all have a case...

LSU has some really good wins.
Bama has been pretty consistent. And they're Bama... that counts for something until they lose.
Clemson - playing well against a BAD schedule. Just as we were all bitching in 2015 as we dropped as we struggled against inferior teams, they are the champs. They have a case until they have a loss.

Rank in any order you want 1-4 and I really dont have a beef.

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Chuckeye Buck's picture

I haven't seen this said yet so FWIW...…...one of LSU's so called really good wins doesn't look so really good right now. 

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lljjgg's picture

I think there is a legitimate argument for LSU at #1 based on their two top #11 wins (I'd disregard Texas at this point as just a solid win, but nothing special). There is zero argument for Alabama #2 outside of their history, which should not be a factor. I've watched several Alabama games this year, and while their offense is fantastic, their defense is very average, and they don't have the quality wins LSU or even OSU have to this point. Obviously it is for the AP and Coaches Polls, but I honestly believe the playoff committee cares more about their votes than either of those two polls.

It has been a pretty widely-known fact that most head coaches have assistants put in their Coaches' Poll votes (not to mention most coaches don't have the time to watch other games when their votes are cast), so I literally put zero stock in that poll at all. The AP poll has its own issues, where based on the reasoning for their votes, I'm convinced a lot of AP poll voters are just hot take artists, or watch a fraction of the games.

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2morrow's picture

Don't be. I hope they keep the disrespect coming!

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LCT's picture

We keep winning, the polls will get it right.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
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Hovenaut's picture

F the polls, the pollsters, the playoff committee...

F y'all if you doubt me (Ohio State).

Rock this mess a cappella, Buckeyes.

See I know something about our team...if they continue to handle their business on the field, they won't be wronged off it.

Fret not.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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Gratefulbuck's picture

This is just begging for a capella vid. 

#notgonnadoit

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milhouse4588's picture

I understand where you are coming from but...

These polls don't actually matter. It's the CFP rankings that matter and those haven't come out yet. Yes, these rankings do have an effect on the CFP rankings but the eye test really matters to the committee.

I am fairly certain we will be ranked #2 when the CFP rankings come out after next week and your frustration won't be warranted.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

I'm with ya.

Do the polls matter?  Technically they shouldn't as a committee determines the 4 playoff teams, BUT... They drive the national conversation on ESPN, Fox, SECN, BTN, and every major news outlet. 

My biggest gripe with the poll is that Big Ten, PAC 12, and Big XII teams are viewed with skepticism (i.e. those teams need to consistently prove themselves for 2/3 of the season before they will start to move in the polls.  Ohio State can't get a "quality win" in the eyes of the voters vs. teams like Wisconsin because the voters are skeptical of Wisconsin unless they beat OSU, whereas an Auburn or UGA or Mississippi or Mississippi State is in the conversation after just one big win).  Wisconsin dominated Michigan and got marginal respect for that.  TTUN was the Big Ten favorite.  If South Carolina or Texas A&M dominated Bama or UGA in that manner they would immediately sky-rocket to top 5 status.

Unlike the skepticism towards the other conferences, the SEC is viewed with an expectation of strength (e.g. Texas A&M is only 3-2 but we still think they are a good team whereas Minnesota is 5-0 but hasn't proven anything worth my vote yet).  There is no doubt in my mind that this a product of ESPN's marketing of their conference as superior combined with voters being generally lazy - I'd be shocked if more than 3 voters have watched Minnesota or Cincinnati or Indiana play aside from IU and Cincy playing OSU.

Second biggest gripe is that the arbitrary nature of the pre-season poll (TTUN is the Big Ten favorite, UGA is a NC contender, ND is really good, Texas is a quality team, etc.) never goes away.  Heck, Joey Galloway is willing to throw out any 2019 performance data and content to keep Clemson at number 1 until they lose.  The pre-season poll is the standard by which teams can navigate the rankings.  LSU is a very solid team, but they are number one because of a lingering benefit of a win over a Texas team who arguably is not much better than Cincinnati.  Auburn is still getting respect despite 2 (nearly 3) losses, yet Minnesota and Cincinnati are just finally making movement.  Put simply, the polls are too heavily based on the pre-season expectations.  There shouldn't be a poll released until week 7 or so.

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stantmann's picture

Everyone talks about Alabama being @2 if they lose to LSU. Since when did College Football become who you lost to, and not who you beat? In my mind, there is ZERO chance Alabama gets in if LSU in undefeated. Alabama's record would be 11-1, but with their best victory being over a likely 4 loss Auburn team, and South Carolina, I just don't see the committee rewarding them for that.

That being said OP, I understand your frustration, but Alabama will always get the benefit of the doubt, they've earned that with many years of dominance. OSU also gets this same favoritism over most teams by the media. If OSU was in the B1G East, and played MInnesota's schedule, I guarantee you OSU would not be 13th, they would've started out higher, and would be sitting at #6.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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All Ok Jumpmaster's picture

Oh FFS. Just beat Maryland.

History is not on our side being ranked #1...

Stay Frosty

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Good teams win, great teams cover. Just keep covering the 1H and Full Game lines Bucks! Putting my daughter through college because of you guys 

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JackIsWayBetterThanTiger's picture

There are many people who say the polls at this point are irrelevant, but in my opinion the human polls are relevant because they affect perception of OSU in Committee member's eyes. Many of these Committee members are not true 'football people', so although they watch the games, they are more easily swayed by the opinions of people who are football people. What the polls give committee members is permission to discount OSU's wins, which will be unimportant if OSU wins out. However, should OSU lose to TTUN, being number one inoculates OSU against falling too far down the rankings so that they can claw their way easily into the final four by winning the B1G. Keep in mind Bama won the Natty a couple of years ago when the Lost to Auburn and did not go to the SEC Championship game Because they were viewed as number one All season long. The latest Composite ranking have OSU the clear number one team. 68 of the 84 polls listed have OSU at number one, or 81% of them. The human polls have OSU ranked the lowest, and they need to catch up with the computer polls. 

https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

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Ohiofoosball's picture

If OSU beats Penn State, they are basically in. If that happens, I "think" they could lose to Michigan and make it if they win the Big Ten (I'd bet a billion dollars OSU would bounce back and win in the Big Ten Championship game if they happened to lose to Michigan). Heck, if they beat Penn State and Michigan but somehow lost in the Big Ten championship game, they'd still have a shot imo, but that could be problematic.

The whole season is the Penn State game. Its everything. 

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CincyBuck's picture

Agreed.  The polls create perceptions when it comes to evaluating the quality of wins/losses.  Preseason polls have a significant impact on those perceptions, even many weeks into the season.  And, IMO, the preseason polls are often weighted in favor of certain teams, conferences, etc.

Say LSU loses a nail biter in Tuscaloosa in a couple of weeks.  The narrative would be it was a battle of the two best teams in the country.  I suspect they'd be back in the top 4 within a week or so -- if they ever fell out of it.  As long as they won the remainder of their games, very, very high chance of being in the CFP.

Here's a nightmare scenario.  We beat PSU, but lose to Michigan, and beat some low-ranked team in the B1GCG.  LSU loses a close one to 'Bama.  'Bama loses a close one to Georgia in the SECCG -- who, except for the South Car debacle, go undefeated the rest of the way.  Clemson wins out because...  ACC.  Everyone in the Pac-12 has at least 2 losses.  Oklahoma goes on to win the Big-12.  

Who gets in?  Clemson and UGA, obviously.  Both 'Bama and LSU would have the "best losses" of any 1-loss teams.  Add in LSU's allegedly quality wins.  And 'Bama always gets the benefit of the doubt. 

How confident is anyone that the teams wouldn't be Clemson, UGA, 'Bama, and LSU?  It sounds ridiculous, but, under that scenario, I'd say not unlikely. 

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Fatpants's picture

Who cares what the polls say at this point in the season? Win and we're in. Demanding we be ranked higher kind of comes across as the insecure girlfriend that needs to be told she's prettier than everyone else, IMHO.

PG <3 PG

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Ohiofoosball's picture

Quit saying this. Everyone knows OSU is in if they win out. We're talking about scenarios that might get OSU into the playoffs with a loss.

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Fatpants's picture

My comment was in response to the OP, which makes no mention of a loss. 

PG <3 PG

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Eph97's picture

OSU is#1 and PSU is #2 in the Colley's Bias Free Matrix Rankings. That's the only poll that matters because it takes bias out of the equation.

http://www.colleyrankings.com

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Penn State isn't perfect, no team is, but damn they are a hell of a team. Hoping for upsets so we can see #1 vs. #2 on Nov. 22 

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shiloh's picture

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Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I'm not going to say they should have lost to Michigan, but that game definitely should of went to OT. Penn State dominated first half, Michigan dominated second half. 

I think Michigan and Penn State are two very solid teams right now and both are getting better. I wouldn't want it any other way heading into the weeks of the season. I'm hoping we have #4 Penn State @ #2 Ohio State, and #2 Ohio State @ #8 Michigan, followed by let's say #2 Ohio State vs. #14 Minnesota in the B1G Championship game. 

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shiloh's picture

Buckeyes have lost to one B1G team at home in the last (8) yrs. *** If *** one was to worry, ttun would be more problematic = slightly better players, whacko coach, home field advantage, but Buckeyes appear to be on a mission this yr. Stay tuned ...

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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BuckeyeNut2012's picture

Honestly speaking, some of those rankings are...questionable at best. 

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Ohiofoosball's picture

Not at all correct. Biased Humans are actually in charge, and biased humans get fed SEC/ESPN drivel up to their eyeballs.

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mathandler1's picture

Way too much football left to go. I dont care if we are number 1 in week 9. Keeping us out of the top spot could and should keep us motivated. We just need to win all of our games to reach the final four. Just like in years past we can not afford any slip ups. We are not in the SEC(Georgia),we do fall from grace. We win out we still might not be the top. LSU is real and so is Bama. But we will get to play them if we take care of business.

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BuckeyeNut2012's picture

The polls don't really matter a whole lot and are largely irrelevant. Sure, they shape the narrative in the first half the season, but all that gets washed away as the records begin to speak for themselves. 

As long as we're in the top 4 by the end of the season, that's all I care about. Because the way it's looking right now, it doesn't matter who they put in front of us, they're gonna get slaughtered. Win and we're in

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Ohiofoosball's picture

Again, this isn't true. Where OSU is in the rankings Tuesday ABSOLUTELY matters. If they're 4th? Then the committee is basically telling us that if OSU loses, they are OUT.

If they are 2nd, then they have some wiggle room. 3rd (which is what I expect) is a toss up....depends on how they lose and to who.

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AtlBuc's picture

Polls were invented to sell newspapers, not to scientifically crown a champion at the end of the season.

The entire purpose of polls, and now the CFP process, is to generate conversations and arguments that drive people to the news & broadcast sources so they can make money.

Are you pissed?  They love it, it shows you are passionate and will seek out more football to prove your own theory and disprove others'.

It's great that we can argue about if OSU/LSU/Bama is better right now.  But argue about the ranking format?  That's getting really old.  

The process works itself out every year, and all of these mid-year complaints, conspiracies, and what-if's make most of the complainers look funny at the end of the season.  

The Committee and the BCS processes have selected the correct finalists every year (well there was Auburn in 04).  So the protocols, biases, and ESPN$ haven't been able to screw this up yet.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

100% accurate IMO 

The conversation is what makes college football the best sport in the world. Controversy is not always a bad thing. 

2x account suspension survivor 

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WorthyBuck's picture

I believe a rating from 1-3 is totally justifiable at this point, with Bama and LSU being the other 2.  LSU has a number of quality wins and has looked good, and Bama has also been dominant.  Ranking us behind those 2 is reasonable.

Other will argue that Clemson could also be put ahead of us, but that would be based on last year (many still subscribe to the “champions until beaten philosophy). 

We are only 8 points out of first place in the AP, so its not like we are being disrespected there.  Both Bama and LSU have good arguments to be in the top 2. 

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Ahh Saturday's picture
  1. OSU is the best team in the country, and it does bother me a little that they aren't getting more "respect" in the polls. Good. I hope the team feels disrespected too. I'd rather have them angry and hungry than a little too fat on praise.
  2. LSU is the most overrated team in the country right now. If Tua starts against them, Alabama will win that game by at least two touchdowns.
  3. Alabama is the second most overrated team in the country. In the last meaningful game they played, they were last seen losing to Clemson by 4 touchdowns. This is one of the reasons I think . . .
  4. Clemson is the most underrated team in the country. Have they looked great so far? Not really. Is their schedule embarrassingly weak? Kind of. Still, they are heating up, and they will be one of the top 2 teams in the country come playoff time. 
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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

I subscribe to this pecking order.  LSU is getting too much credit for good not great wins.  Bama is a bit of a mystery with Tua's injury and that young front 7 on D.  Clemson is not a mystery to me though, they have an elite defense who is playing like it, and an elite QB/WRs/RB on offense who are not consistently playing like it, yet.  They are (rightfully) taking a ton of flak for their schedule, but they are starting to rev up their play.  They will go 13-0 and be in the CFP, and everything about SOS is irrelevant at that point.  Dabo will have them more than ready and they will be the toughest (non-OSU division) out in the playoffs.

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CedarBuck92's picture

I kinda hope Tua does start and LSU curb stomps them like 40 to 7. I really want to see Bama left out and I think a curb stomping is needed for them to not make it. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Can somebody please direct me to the "Frustrated With Poll-Frustrations" thread?

Shandy is not beer

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

On the bright side at least this wasn't a "Pole Frustrations" thread.

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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drclau's picture

My brother also cares about Polls during the season.  He's the other guy like you.

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OnPoint's picture

Let's not get worked up over the polls that don't even count!

Nut on top

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

My instinct was to respond,”Who Cares?”

But I already know that you care and that other people do as well so I don’t want to be flippant and disrespectful.

It’s not a system which will ever answer to your logic or the hours you spend on it.  And frankly, no system which could be implemented ever will.  I’m not here to say that a certain poll is right or wrong or that anything you have said is incorrect.  It just might be better not to drive yourself crazy thinking about it.

Respect.  Humans crave it so badly but in this case it doesn’t matter.  The buckeyes are in control of the only variable which is absolute.

Win games and win championships.  If the rest of the world doesn’t respect that, screw them.
 

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Smitty516's picture

Definitely agree with most of the comments in here and understand your frustrations OP. That said, like I told my dad and uncle yesterday when we were talking about it, as long as LSU and Alabama were undefeated at this point heading into their clash on November 9, the two were definitely headed for #1 and #2 regardless because of of the hype the media would want for the game. Even with the game on CBS, espn/secn will get the ratings throughout the week covering the game. Even if Clemson was performing better, the sec hype machine would be pushing for the 2 to be #1 and #2 based on  propagandized “strength of schedule.” So trust me, I get the frustration, but no matter what, it was always destined to be like this, no matter how much we voice our displeasure. Ohio State is literally the biggest fan base and routinely voices it’s frustration, which just gives the media more ratings and motivation to continue being “haters.” The only thing the can change this is for Ohio State to stack success like Bama and Clemson, which we haven’t been able to do after 2014. 

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Johnny Utah's picture

Brace yourself, because...GASP...OSU might be rated #3 or #4 in the first CFP rankings.

After you faint, and think about it when you wake up again, you'll remember that the only rankings that matter are at the end, and it doesn't matter where you are as long as you're in the top 4.

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Buckeye419er's picture

OSU will be #2 in the first CFP rankings this season. Book it. 

There can be only one

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Ohiofoosball's picture

No chance. They will likely be third, although it wouldn't shock me if they are 4th too....

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BuckDigger's picture

I agree. There is zero chance we'll be at 2 for the first poll. 3 or 4 yes, but there is no way they're going to hurt the ultimate SEC 1 vs 2 showdown like that. Personally I find it hard to believe they would even consider ranking us above Clemson.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Just. Win. All. The. Games.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Extramedium's picture

What they have to do to be ranked #1 or 2 now is be ranked #1 or 2 in the preseason and not lose a game.

The voters don't care about any of the rating systems or analytics. They vote for last year's champion and then go down the line, and move teams up and down like monkeys pulling levers based on last week's results. That's why these polls are meaningless and we need to ignore them

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Johnny Utah's picture

LSU was ranked #6 in the preseason. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

Being the number 1 or 3 seed in the Bowl Championship Series is like drawing the short straw, they have never won it all. 

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