Skull Session: Pat Fitzgerald Remembers Recruiting Justin Fields, Ohio State's Eliminated Explosive Plays, and Ranking the Buckeyes With the BCS Formula

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I have a high level of respect for Pat Fitzgerald, but man oh man, that 14 PPG just isn’t going to make a dent in the machine that’s been built in the buckeye defense. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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SilverHaven's picture

Ah, the good ol' BCS.
Distance makes the heart grow fonder.
And time makes the memory grow weaker.

The majority of the BCS formula was the subjective poll votes.  Yikes!
That's why in the above article, Alabama is ranked #1 by the BCS.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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rkylet83's picture

The BCS got tweaked significantly if memory serves me right after the 2003 season.  Everyone had a fit when USC didn’t get in over Oklahoma, so they added greater weight to the polls.  Should have kept it the same.  

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SilverHaven's picture

In the above example, the computers clearly favor Ohio State, yet Alabama is #1 in the BCS.  With the 6 computers showing:

Ohio State had 2 1st-place results, to only 1 for Alabama
Oho State had 1 2nd-place result, and so did Alabama.
Ohio State had 3 3rd-place results, and Alabama had none.
Then Alabama followed with 3 4th-place results, and 1 6th-place result.

And didn't the "tweaking" take the subjective polls from 1/2 to 2/3?  It was always the major part.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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PRO8's picture

I always felt that expanding the playoffs was the main and best idea...the method to come to the conclusion of what teams  will always have controversy that is why having a larger number of teams in the playoff is what makes it a better system and why they went to it. The problem is when they stopped at 4 teams.   8  would have been the better starting point that would have put a stop to all the bickering we get now. People would argue about the 9th team but not nearly as much as they do about the 5th team. After all the idea of a playoff is determining it on the field and not through a computer or poll to decide the NC team. By having a greater number of deserving teams you increase the odds of having a much truer outcome on average  knowing we don't exist in a perfect world. 

 I have never been happy about the number of teams but  how they get selected was never going to be perfect to begin with that is why the number is more important. You put more deserving teams in position to have a chance to prove on the field which is the best team. They just let tradition of bowl games mainly,  getting in the way  of having a much better system= more teams. They could not bring themselves to the point of playing top seeds at home fields, leaving out bowl games and the shallow excuse of lengthening the season to much as  there would only be 4 teams really having an extended season ( probably back then they were worried about the look of it with all the added money).  

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fear_the_nut70's picture

We have NEVER had a year where we needed to have 8 to include the best two.  The goal isn’t to stop the bickering as you put it, but to crown a worthy champion.  Too many people have gotten used to bloated playoff brackets in other sports meant to sell more content to the customers.  This isn’t T-ball, everyone doesn’t get a trophy.  Other than 2007, I defy you to find one year you could even argue we needed 8 teams to encompass the top 2.  What is sad is you 8 team playoff people apparently won’t have any appreciation as to what this would do to the regular season until this actually happens, much like our writer above who now realizes the BCS wasn’t as bad as he thought.  You should see how bad the eighth team would be most years since 2000–laughable.  It always amazes me in exchange for those times maybe 1 qualified team might have gotten excluded people want to regularly admit 4 unqualified teams.  

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Spot on.  Thus far, six is the maximum number of teams that have had any business being included in the discussion, and most years it has been five.  This season is shaping up to me more interesting than most, but barring any 2007-esque mayhem, it will probably settle into the usual five-team pattern.  Promoters of an eight-team playoff also usually tout a guaranteed spot for a G5 team, which makes it even more pointless.  Looking at the current top eight, (or 12) I don't see any team that would likely lose to any two G5 teams combined.  I would also hate to see a #1 seed lose a key player in an elimination game with a team that really didn't belong there in the first place.  Recall that we lost Branden Bowen for two years against a god-awful MD team.  More is not necessarily better.  Unless you're ESPN.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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CowCat's picture

You bring up a fair point in that 6 teams is about the maximum stretch for "they should have been in there" -- but that sentiment is grounded in the current reality that there are only 4 teams allowed in now.

Even with 8 teams there would still be the same problem. With the Power 5 conferences as they are currently, there will be 5 conference champions, 3 division champions that lost their conference championships, the winner of the AAC and probably ND. So again we would have 8 spots plus 2 outliers AND there would be a much higher likelihood of rematches. 

It's never-ending and it dilutes the meaning of the regular season as it exists now.

The real root of all of this is that teams on the outside don't trust human polls (If your team makes it in they're perfectly logical!). Before the BCS it was the polls that decided the champion. So we created the BCS to have computers slightly mediate that.  Now I believe we've taken a step backward because the playoff committee is just another human poll. Humans picking 1-4 is no different than humans picking 1 and 2. In fact, it's far less statistically reliable because the committee doesn't have thousands of votes.

Get rid of the playoffs, get rid of the conference championships, put Lawrence Welk on my AM radio and GET OFF MY LAWN.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Hockeybuck's picture

Yes. Let’s eliminate 8 NFL teams and 20 1-AA teams from the playoffs. /s

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Extramedium's picture

No matter how many teams you expand it to, people will argue about the first few teams left out. That's half the fun of CFB. 4 is fine. 6 is a stretch, 8 is ridiculous.

The problem with the current system is that we have ADs and commissioners and people with real life responsibilities expected to watch and analyze a season's worth of football to pick those 4 teams.  What we need is a group of football analytic nerds who can and will watch every game because they have time and actually want to pick the best 4 teams.

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MichiBuck12's picture

This is exactly right. The BCS still had the same problems with subjectivity, the committee process just adds an extra layer to it. The subjectivity seems to be the biggest thing people have a problem with and the BCS definitely wasn't better on that front.

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PhillyNut's picture

Except that the BCS was only 67% subjective versus the 100% this mess is.

Gotta love a computer poll like A&H that has Boise State, SMU, and App State all in the top 10. Talk about freaking out all those white collar dudes and the money people at the thought of those teams making the CFP.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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MichiBuck12's picture

This is a fair point. I think we can agree that the BCS was a problem, and that problem has not been fixed.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

The BCS system without the inclusion of human polls would be okay, as long as a 4 team playoff is kept intact. Any system with human input is due to fail because of human biases.

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Dillon G's picture

The algorithm for the computers is written by people. Some are written to get a desired result.

#walkaway

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Lighteyes's picture

Also worth noting that only one of the computer formulas ever released their formula and supporting data for public review...and that one had incorrect data input which affected the 2010 final standings, so who knows if these formulas were even accurate.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Perhaps the algorithm should be written by total computer “nerds” from another country who have no interest in American football. Anything is better than the CFP committee lying about what really matters every week, only to change the criteria the following week.

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TNT's picture

The only tweak we need is for the committee to pick the 4 best conference champions. I don't need to see their "top 25". I don't care about Notre Dame. There is no reason whatsoever to have 2 SEC teams in a playoff. Win your conference championship or you don't get a chance at a national championship. If you're mad about not being in, schedule better OOC games.

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Extramedium's picture

We want the four best teams in the playoff regardless of conference.  

We don't need foreign nerds to write an algorithm, we just need CFB nerds to pick the top 4.  I watch guys on YouTube who do nothing but watch and analyze the games and do a much better job than the current group of rotating semi-celebrities.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

We want the four best teams in the playoff regardless of conference.

Only problem with that is there is way too much human bias to deal with. The SEC is overvalued every year. You would have back door deals to get at least 3 SEC teams in the CFP every year because the "powers-that-be" in college football believe that SEC teams walk on water. Strength of schedule means nothing to humans who are constantly picking the SEC. Weak scheduling is a way of life for most SEC teams. Not to mention chicken-s**t Saturday. Extremely hard to get any SEC team to schedule a home-and-home against a team in the North (and don't even try to get a SEC team to come North in November).

The only way to set up a playoff is go with 6 teams. The 5 champions from the Power 5 conferences and the top Group of 5 team. The top 2 ranked teams get a bye the first round and the two top-ranked teams of the other 4 get to host a game on its campus. And before anyone says "We want the 4 best teams regardless of conference", If you don't win your conference (which means you possibly didn't even win your own division in your conference) you have no business playing for a national championship in college football.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

If we have nerds from foreign countries write the CFP ranking algorithms, don't be surprised when you see a soccer or cricket team sneak in there.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Think about how neutral the algorithm would be if written by someone who has no dog in the fight. Put in all the information and let the computer do the rest.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The Committee, for all its perceived problems, hasn't picked a different result than the BCS computers would have through the first five iterations of the CFP.  Even to the point that they would've had UGA ranked #5 last season ahead of OSU, despite the human polls having the opposite. Occasionally, the order is different at #2/3, and in only one year the pairings would've been different, but the Top Four in the old BCS formula are the same four that the Committee has selected.  Coincidence? Probably. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Then obviously that system is too flawed also. Can’t remember the exact year when Alabama was picked with no victories over a top 15 team while others left out had several. Not to mention a big difference in strength of schedule. Also, last year Oklahoma got in over us and the committee gave the logic that our defense wasn’t good enough to qualify us. Oklahoma had the #1 offense and we were #2. We had a defense ranked in the 70s while Oklahoma’s defense was something like 107th in ranking. I just wish the criteria remained the same week in, week out. Don’t lie about the criteria to pump up viewer ratings.

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SilverHaven's picture

Wow. Good stuff, Navy, I checked out the first table.

And then I moved on-- DOK. (data over kill)

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

People need to stop with this.  Get drubbed by Purdue you don’t belong in the playoffs.  I would stop obsessing over their explanations, that is an impossible and unnecessary task.  Purdue happened, no playoffs—it isn’t more complicated than that.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

My only quarrel with the CFP committee in regard to the Purdue loss was they stated it would be treated “as any other loss would be treated” the week after the game. Then they changed course and a few weeks later said it did matter. I wouldn’t have had a problem with the CFP committee if they had originally said “Yes, the Purdue loss by a large margin will have a negative effect on how Ohio State is viewed”. Instead, the CFP committee lied and said it was a non-factor to keep OSU viewers engaged in the process. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

We are all learning as this process goes along.  I don’t watch those interviews for that very reason any longer (and actually don’t watch the ranking shows any more save the last one).  Wast of time.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

It has been steadily getting worse.  The old polls were the best, because people really only obsessed over who was number one after new year’s day bowls.  Then came the BCS, and it began the transition from all the bowls matter (at least the big ones) to more emphasis placed on one game.  Finally, the playoffs continued this to the point now where all anyone talks about any more is the top 4.  Alabama vs. Auburn now is only a national event to the extent that it impacts the playoff race (i.e. Alabama isn’t already a lock and Auburn is still in the mix).  The next iteration of watering this down would be a move to 8, which would render much more of the regular season meaningless.  I hate to say this, but you can pretty much look at what the masses want and conclude that we should go in the other direction pretty much every time.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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painterlad's picture

I guess I'm in the minority because I love the noon starts and hate night games.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

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DaytonBuck1980's picture

Noon kickoffs for Indiana, Illinois and the like are just fine, but the benefits of playing our biggest games under the lights are undeniable. Crowd is more into it, team is more fired up, recruits love it, media hypes it all day long, more eyes nationally, etc, etc.  

Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan. 

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DaytonBuck1980's picture

And in this years case, the Wisconsin nooner severely hinders the intensity of the dubgate :(

Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Rookie.  Anyone remember Kegs and Eggs at Papa Joe's?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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DaytonBuck1980's picture

Kegs and eggs is dinner if you rage all night 

Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan. 

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LeftCoastBuck's picture

...and script OHIO performed out on the street by the patrons. CPD used to just stand back and laugh

Where else can/could you buy a paint bucket of draft beer for about $12. There will never be another place like PaPa Joes

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

More like script "Dklc".

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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LeftCoastBuck's picture

Now that I think about it, I’m not sure that any of those script Ohio’s looked like any letter I’ve ever seen. More like Arabic I think.

"Have a Coke and a smile!.....along with $150 in UM football tickets"

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Wingdings. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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osurox's picture

Can't drink all day if you don't start early.

How Firm Thy Friendship...Oh-Hi-Oh

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Rox, pretty sure you were one of the "7 pukers before 7am" that morning before the 2006 TTUN game when someone had the great idea to do shots of 151 on the front porch. That one got out of hound pretty quickly.

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Buctor's picture

Hate is a pretty strong word, but I too much prefer noon games.  Don't like the waiting, don't like the next morning after a night game, don't like driving home after a late game, and really don't like setting in the cold after dark in late season late games, to name just a few reasons.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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C-Deck's picture

During his Game Day (OSU v. Nebraska) interview, Coach Day indicated his preference for noon games. 

"Hit them hard and see how they fall"

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Drewbdu's picture

Yeah, he said night games make it much harder to keep the team up and ready. Noon games mean the team wakes up, eats the team meal, then gets ready to play right after that. 

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Extramedium's picture

Both teams have the same perceived advantages or disadvantages.  I can understand wanting to get the game over with as a coach, but as a player and a fan I'd think the night games are a lot more fun.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

I hate night games. I understand the allure but it makes for a very late night if you plan on attending.

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Buckloving's picture

Me too especially on Friday night when high school football should be playing. BUT momma is taking me to see Bob Seger at the United Center on Saturday night for my birthday so I figured we might as go Friday and catch the game as well....but no more Friday night games after this one lol

bobbyd

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rkylet83's picture

The 2013 iteration of me would kick my ass for saying this, but five seasons into this College Football Playoff committee thing, I'm gonna be honest – I miss the BCS.

I miss the computer poll for sure.  The selection by committee has never stuck to its criteria.  The committee approach is basically going backwards to the polls era.  At least the computer poll was consistent and honest.  

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MichiBuck12's picture

I really like Pat the Cat. I think he's a really good coach at a school that is really tough to be a really good coach at. I think he could have a lot of success if  he went anywhere else and I really respect his loyalty to his school. Having said that, I want to crush the nerds on friday night and leave no survivors.

And I don't mind playing Wisconsin at noon. As I get older, I enjoy night games less and less. I don't like waiting around all day for the game to start. Wake up, get some stuff done around the house and then get right to it. Plus the early game means I can do stuff with my wife in the evening and don't have to be glued to the TV.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

What kind of stuff?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BBQ_Fan's picture

I've been married 30 years. Exactly my question.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Well, if the kids are still young, it usually goes like this . . . go out for a nice evening, say sweet nothings to each other under romantic lighting and whisper about what you’re going to do later that night, but when that moment arrives . . . doze off to sleep. 

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Yeah - I've been known to say, "hey let's have a bottle of wine and fall asleep on the couch by 9:30".

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MichiBuck12's picture

Well, she's currently 8 months pregnant so its mostly me doing whatever house project she decides needs to be done right that second and her telling me that I'm doing it wrong while she eats ice cream.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Sounds like someone played a home nooner eight months ago.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Extramedium's picture

You can get stuff done during the day and enjoy the night game.  You don't have to sit around waiting all day ya know.

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boater buckeye's picture

A Morner is better than a Nooner because it's Sooner!!!

Boater Buckeye

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Dillon G's picture

Which version of the BCS? It was "tweaked" to allow subjective ratings.

The only difference is he's had longer to develop his five-star quarterback transfer, and the results are significantly worse.

Kind of like Harbaugh. At least Fitz is a linebacker.

#walkaway

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NOBLUE's picture

one good thing about noon kick offs you usually don't have to listen to those constant yappers Fowlball (who knows nothing about football ) and Herby who never stops talking and over analyses every play ....i love the mute button on the remote ...

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Buctor's picture

Agree, play analysis is appreciated, but telling us what a player is thinking is nonsense.  Some of these folks must really like to hear themselves talk with no inking of how foolish they sound to the rest of us

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Wargor's picture

I really appreciate finding out that defenses love getting the other team in 3rd and long.  

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dan_isaacs's picture

Switch to FOX at 11am.  You'll miss nothing about GameDay.

Dan Isaacs

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awlinBrutus's picture

Pet ownership can be a two edged sword. My family always had dogs less my sister the middle child of course, had cats. My older sister, the one I thought I hated but really I was envious and very proud of her. She’s a CFO for a pretty big division of Hamilton county.  She was valedictorian and suma cum laude in college. We’ve become much closer as we’ve grown older. She never had a dog until 5 years ago. She rescued a older dachshund. Recently she rescued a famous stray in the Dublin area, Myles.Smaller mixed breed around 10 years old. I was like how can you do that, you are going to get your heart broken. After visiting for the “Game” last year, first time back in Cbus since my father passed. Then I understood, she didn’t care that her feelings would be hurt down the road, she just wants to give Myles a warm happy life, which he is getting and then some plus good medical care. All these years I thought she was just a cold bean counter. After putting down the best boxer ever “Buckeye Sammy” in 2010, I vowed never again. That last fucking ride is the worst. 3 months earlier, I thought was the last ride, get to the vets office and he perked up like nothing ever happened, lol. I guess he wasn’t ready. His kidney failed and we were hydrating him with a saline bag from the vet his last 3 months. I don’t know if dogs are good or bad all I know is when I’m having a bad day and come home to a bundle of furry love the badness goes away if only for a short time. Buying what I hope is the home I die in this next year, I’ll probably rescue a dog. I donate whenever I can but that’s not same as providing a loving home for them. 
 

Have a great Tuesday W’ers

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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iowabuckeyes's picture

We put our rescue down in March 2017 after having him 16 years. Best. Dog. Ever. I miss that f*cker every day. My wife wants to get another but I’m not ready yet. I need to let my heart heal some more before I open it up again. Mothers and good dogs should live forever.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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DCDDC's picture

I've said the same thing the last 2 dogs I had to put down, but the truth is the sooner you get a new one the better it is.   Hard to believe now, but it's a hands down no brainer looking back at it.

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mb5599's picture

Awlin, great post.  we lost our dog back in april to cancer.  had him for 9 years.  I always wanted another dog (had one when I was a kid) but Ii waited until I knew I was retiring from the military to get one.  there is no beating a good dog.  whenever i had to leave town for training or business, I never worried about my wife not being safe.  that dog protected her like a bodyguard and I knew that.  he was truly a member of the family.  i agree that no matter how shitty of a day i may have had, that dog would always cheer me up when he greeted me at the door.  we too are in the process of buying our "forever" house now and we would like to adopt another dog to share it with, but I am afraid i will judge the new dog against our Hayes (yes, named for Woody Hayes) and that would not be fair.  we are taking a stray cat Hayes "adopted" before he passed.  we donate money to the rescue shelter in el paso every year (where we adopted him from) so the dogs can get a nice meal on thanksgiving and christmas (turkey).  we've done that for years and will continue to do that.  hayes really loved his turkey.  he would stalk my wife the week of thanksgiving and whenever he heard the refigerator door open (no matter the time or where he was at), he would come running because he knew he was going to get some.  not sure if we are even going to do thanksgiving this year.  too hard. 

Big B

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BengalBuck's picture

I feel your pain my friend..... I have felt your pain more times than I care to recall...

God and Dog...

Without God, there is no Liberty...

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jmmysms's picture

You can add us to the list. My girlfriend had her dog for 14 years, got him as a pup. He predated me, I've only been around for 12 years.

He had bladder cancer but kept going until he finally stopped eating. The only thing he would eat toward the end and the last thing he did eat was my pulled pork. He was my back porch buddy. If I am at home I usually end every evening on the back porch with a adult beverage. He would hang out with me.

The house is quieter now. Still find myself looking for him from time to time. She wants another dog, I want to wait, we are both gone a lot. You can't replace the personality. 

JMMYSMS

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awlinBrutus's picture

Mb, thanks for sharing. This is the 2nd time I’ll be downsizing, it was a 10 year plan readying for retirement  that is actually coming to fruition. It can be tough finding HOA’s that allow pets. And really hate using the medical dog thing, but will if forced to, we have 10 yo Pomeranian “Nunya” means little one in a endearing way in Russian. 
        Sammy really hit me hard because his kidney failed over night. All of a sudden I came home one day and he was acting funny. That night I let him out and he went and laid down in a wooded area. When he came back in finally he had a seizure, totally freaked me out. Woke everyone up. Recently Nunya has developed digestive problems. It’s manageable though. 
      ***As a warning to pet owners, Vets can only base their diagnosis on limited info compared to humans. A few months prior he got sick and the vet gave him a pain medication. In hindsight, I don’t think that was a good idea for a dog @ his age. I think that may have been a contributing factor. My point, ask the vet any questions you have about side affects etc etc. DO NOT REGULARLY GIVE YOUR PETS THOSE FAUX BACON treats of any kind. That’s exactly what fucked up Nunya’s digestive system. $3k later,lol

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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MichiBuck12's picture

We had to put down a rescue last year and it was horrible. We only had him for two years but he came from a terrible situation. When we first took him he was so terrified he wouldn't go outside or even use the stairs. But once he trusted us he was the most loving and loyal dog anyone could imagine. But he got too protective when we brought the baby home. He bit the fedex guy and we had no choice but to put him down. We still have one rescue and she too is a great dog. She also came from a really terrible situation so it took a long time for her to settle in and for a while we didn't think it was going to work out. But once she got through the tough start she has been a fantastic dog. We've had her for 7 years now. Rescue dogs might be a lot of work but they are awesome dogs if you treat them right and stick with them. And I'm convinced that they understand what you did for them. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

It’s funny: You either “have” a dog or “had” a dog but no one talks about “owning” one. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Speaks to the respect.

We just put our guy down two weeks ago after 14 years with us (he was 16). House feels empty. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

True. And what they say about dogs being mans best friend is true too. A dog is not a thing that you own. A dog is a friend. If you love them they will love you back. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Michi,I’d upvote you a million times if possible. Good for you. Best 2 years of his life. I have more empathy for animals than humans. Abuse of humans is tolerable, compared to abusing animals, which usually leads to violent thoughts more so in defense of animals than humans. If that makes sense. So tired of how badly we treat one another these days. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I grew up with dogs. There were never fewer than two on the farm. Sadly, Mrs Navy isn't a pet lover, so I have had to forgo a dog for a long, long time.  Our daughter is a huge pet lover, but after a friend's dog died, she was worried about becoming an owner because she knew her dog would die one day. She wouldn't do well with that.

As an alternative, we used to take regular trips to the Humane Society, so she could play with the dogs. On one trip, she fell in love with a one-eyed, pit bull mix. He'd had a rough go, but was the sweetest, most gentle dog. He was handful when he got excited, because of his strength, but so lovable.  Anyhow, knowing that we were in no position to adopt (military moves, renting,no pets, etc.), I asked our daughter if she'd like to help 'rescue' this dog. So, we paid for all of his adoption fees to make it easier for a family to rescue him. Best feeling ever.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I can't add much to this discussion about Man's Best Friend but some quotes:

Dogs come into our lives to teach us about love, they depart to teach us about loss. A new dog never replaces an old dog, it merely expands the heart. If you have loved many dogs your heart is very big.”  – Erica Jong

I have sometimes thought of the final cause of dogs having such short lives and I am quite satisfied it is in compassion to the human race; for if we suffer so much in losing a dog after an acquaintance of ten or twelve years, what would it be if they were to live double that time?” – Sir Walter Scott

“Sometimes losing a pet is more painful than losing a human because in the case of the pet, you were not pretending to love it.” – Amy Sedaris

“If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans.” – James Herriot

“I guess you don’t really own a dog, you rent them, and you have to be thankful that you had a long lease.” – Joe Garagiola

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.” – Will Rogers

“They say time heals all wounds, but that presumes the source of the grief is finite.” – Cassandra Clare

“If there is a heaven, it’s certain our animals are to be there. Their lives become so interwoven with our own, it would take more than an archangel to detangle them.” – Pam Brown

“Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole.” – Roger Caras

Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. ” – Mark Twain

Rest in Peace Skipper, Dusty, Tillie and Blue, and Stella Luna.

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kmp10's picture

 I don’t know if dogs are good or bad...

Let me assure you, AB, that dogs are the embodiment of good. Whatever you believe -- intelligent design or evolution -- dogs are the very best the creator or the process of adaptation had to offer. You're right... that last fucking ride is as close to unmanageable as it gets, but the ten to seventeen(ish) years that come before that ride provide the very best experience that life has to offer. Rescue another one, because the good outweighs the one and only bad... that last ride.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

You Could make a song about this post:

The Last Ride

Some don't know

if dogs are Good or Bad

But 15 years

The joy I've had

Make that last ride

Worth all that sad

I just had my last ride 2 months ago after 13 years. It was, and still is incredibly sad, but the years of companionship sure were worth that damn last ride.

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buckeye_chick's picture

I always had dogs as a kid, and as soon as the mister and I were established, we got a schnauzer (from an ad in the paper; long time ago!). Since we couldn’t have kids, she was our “dogter”. After 13 years, we had to put her down due to severe congestive heart failure. The last six months were the worst; she wouldn’t eat, she wouldn’t let me out of her sight if I was home...just heartbreaking. After that, I just couldn’t risk getting my heart broken again.

That was ten years ago. Last month, after doing all my research and many discussions, we put down a deposit on a pup. Her name will be Scarlet (because she’s gray!), and yes I finally found the courage to lose my heart again. She’s not old enough to come home with us yet, but in four weeks she’ll be home. I am still a little apprehensive—no dog will ever be like my baby was—but it will be love all the same.

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getcristylove's picture

The BCS was every bit as subjective, but possibly more transparent. 

Toothpaste? Why do women continue to make bad choices to please men? So dumb. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The links today...the toothpaste on the vagina story is definitely odd but the home invader busted for wearing the homeowner’s bra and panties story was just as bizarre. How do you live something like that down? Turns out the dude was on parole...nothing like letting your future cell mates know you’re comfortable playing a woman. If you read it, be sure to scroll down to the video from the local news station. Man, there are some really effed up people in this world.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Gratefulbuck's picture

That dude’s gonna have other cavity issues. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Maybe that’s where the idea of putting toothpaste on a penis came from?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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ToTheHouse's picture

Very 1st yahoo aka bra and panty nightmare this piece brought to mind was...dingbat Hairball. He's evolved into his own alien encounters never known to mankind. His bizarre-ity (in those skunk weasel minds) is the only explanation that keeps him in employment.

Owning. skunk. weasels. Is. Tradition.

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ToTheHouse's picture

I know, no one in Buck Nation could ever comprehend these "unsolved mirage mysteries"...

Owning. skunk. weasels. Is. Tradition.

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Buck298's picture

The story about the home invader wearing women's underwear made me think of Mark May.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

So Harbaugh's trainer is now going to have to take the toothpaste out of of their locker room?

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Wargor's picture

Probably for much the same reasons men make bad choices to please women.  Seems rather human at this point.

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blueblazer22's picture

The Shakil Afridi story is something. Guy has been in prison and is now coming up for an appeal. But not only could his sentence for aiding in the Bin Laden situation be shortened, his sentence could also be added to. What a concept. 

Noon start is fine for Wisconsin. If the crowd can’t get pumped by noon for that matchup, I don’t think that adding 7 hours of drinking will make that much difference. As long as the front 7 stays in their lanes and doesn’t let the main man run wild, it will be all good. Coan may be better than the typical Wiscy qb but I don’t see him leading them to a victory in Columbus. 

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prometheusAesculus's picture

This Idea of forcing good match ups at noon was quite at the beginning, but now it starting to interfere with home field advantage... can you imagine this coming Wisconsin game at night?... well gentleman and gentlewoman out there... I'm getting my folks and torches ready already

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

What night game advantage? User "You Can't Spell Chump Without UM" just dropped a nice Forum thread that shows OSU has a better noon game advantage in the Shoe.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2019/10/107756/...

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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prometheusAesculus's picture

I see!... in terms of recruiting, exposure and influence I think night games are superior though, don't you think?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Maybe, I don't know.  I like the 3:30 time slot myself.  Time for recruits to see the campus scene, watch the game and see the sun go down over the Shoe, and a chance to experience campus after the game.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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blueblazer22's picture

The 3:30 does seem to work nicely, for the reasons you lay out. There is enough time to get in a frenzy, but not so much that it gets overwhelming. Never hurts to be the better team, which should make the kick time borderline irrelevant. 

Also as I get older the less I like late start times. Will blow off going to the N’W game this week since it falls on a workday and won’t be over until like 11pm. TV will be the choice there

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LoufromOSU's picture

3:30 is the best start time by far, especially in the late fall. 

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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mtrotb's picture

Selfishly, I'd love to see Wade pull a Denzel Ward and come back again next season-What the hell are you talking about Kevin??  Ward left after his 3rd year.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

And didn’t play in the bowl game.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Brandon26841's picture

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he was thinking of Brad Roby or Gareon Conley? Ward had to come back haha

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BuckeyeinRaleigh's picture

Play the marquee matchups at 8 pm. 

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TMac's picture

Back when tTUN was relevant. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Amos Alonzo Stagg...what a maroon.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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ToTheHouse's picture

Immediately this word, maroon brought:

Hairball...what a moron. No reflection on Amos.

I personally played in one Pee Wee Amos Alonzo Skagg bowl in Dedham Mass.

I went both ways, OL, DL we lost 12-6, biggest heartbreak L ever. But did have a very cute cheerleader sit on my lap on bus ride back home to Oh. No toothpaste was involved.

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TMac's picture

Are you liking the Noon kickoff, or don't you like Wins?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Selfishly, I prefer:

  • Any and all away games: noon start to help tamp down the crowd’s enthusiasm and neutralize the opponent’s home field advantage. 
  • Crappy opponent home games: noon kickoff to salvage the rest of my Saturday (which is usually spent watching CFB so who am I kidding?).
  • Home games against good teams before November 1: prime time—crowd is louder and livelier. Great for recruiting. Plus I’m watching CFB all day, anyway.
  • Home games against good teams after November 1: 3:30—ample time to tailgate so the crowd’s had time to stoke its fire, plus it’ll be dark by halftime but not as cold as it would be at 8:00. Cold weather is a huge crowd noise neutralizer. 
  • The Game: nooner—we own that time slot, which means the entire country is watching as befits the greatest rivalry in sports. It’s also the third day of a four-day weekend and I’m bouncing off the walls so give me Buckeye football sooner than later. The crowd should need no extra incentive.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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huffdaddy's picture

Watching NFL games this season, I see a lot of what OSU was doing last year on D - 8 guys on the line standing up, unclear who is dropping, who is rushing. It's great when you are an NFL team with 28 year olds who do nothing but watch film and play football for a living. Those guys tend to wind up exactly where they are supposed to. The Buckeye D last year, though...

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

To be fair, I think Schiano’s system is the superior one.  It just doesn’t work with kids that have 20 hours of practice time and classes.  What I am concerned about is that OSU will eventually have their zone picked apart by a Clemson/Bama type—good accurate QB, with lots of playmakers.  Zone can be so frustrating because it looks like you are sitting back and giving the other team yardage play after play.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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sjordan1949's picture

To be fair to Pat Fitzgerald, I listened to his press conference and he was obviously joking when he blamed some writers about Fields having be given too many stars.  It was a joke and not to be taken seriously.

Flatfootball

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Indeed. It was entirely a joke and pretty funny.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Pat Fitzgerald is one of the best interviews in college football. His presser a few weeks ago, where he went off on all the Tweets andother social media mentions about fixing the offense was great. "Email me at hash-tag 'I don't care.'

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I would worry about those that don't get that joke.

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CincyOSU's picture

I would worry about those that don't get that joke.

Well, when a staff writer doesn't get the joke, and proceeds to throw shade at one of the classiest coaches in the game, I think he should be called out.

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

I love when coaches pull the "if only we had good players!" card for self pity, as if recruiting isn't a substantial part of their job and something they can absolutely control, but this is even more hilarious since he's working with pretty much the exact same scenario as Ohio State.

Come on.  The fact that Northwestern has one transfer 5-star doesn’t mean Pat has an even playing field with the big boys in terms of recruiting.  He has done a heckuva job there and has every right to be frustrated that he has to play against teams who can recruit on a much different level from him.

In one scenario, he has a five star transfer like Ohio State does but you can’t tell me that he was given anywhere near the same player that Ohio State was.

I have nothing but respect for that guy and what he’s able to do most years with less. To imply that it’s his fault that he has less while coaching at Northwestern is silly.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

All true but let’s face it: a team is only going as far as its quarterback will take it. There’s a reason there’s only one QB and, aside from the center, he’s the only guy who touches the ball on every play. Look at Iowa: stout defense, terrible QB, impotent offense. Put Justin Fields or Joe Burrow at QB and that’s arguably a top 10 team.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BucksHave7's picture

Just makes you wonder why cant he get 5 star kids?  What do 5 star kids know that we dont know?

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Wargor's picture

Nothing.  Northwestern isn't a pipeline to the NFL, and everyone knows it.  Especially for skilled offensive players.  

It is also not the place to go if you aren't looking to play school too hard.  

Beyond that, the location isn't one to be a big draw.  It isn't a 'fun' place like California or Florida and you also don't get to be a 'big deal' in a city that isn't exactly focused on college football in the way many places are.  

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BucksHave7's picture

Northwestern isn't a pipeline to the NFL, and everyone knows it.

Currently 15 in the NFL from Northwestern.  What did you mean? 

It is also not the place to go if you aren't looking to play school too hard.  
 

You mean like NotreDame and Stanford?

Beyond that, the location isn't one to be a big draw

Chicago?  LOL

BucksHave7

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Wargor's picture

Yeah, 15 in the NFL.  Compares poorly to powerhouses like Colorado (17), California (21), Pittsburgh (26), Purdue (16), and West Virginia (20) to name just a few. 

For local competition look at MSU (21), TTUN (30), Notre Dame (36), Illinois (16), Iowa (28), and Wisconsin (32)

They do have Indiana (11) beat.

So yeah, not a pipeline to the NFL,and most everyone knows it.  Obviously you can get to the NFL from Northwestern, but it isn't known for that relative to their competition.

As for Notre Dame and Standford, yeah, the tough academics are a strike against them too for many of the 4 and 5 star guys looking for their best shot at the NFL.  That doesn't say that that can't be overcome, of course it can, but it isn't something you put in your plus column for mass appeal.

Concerning location, sure it has its upsides, but like I said, it isn't California or Florida, that might have a 'cool' factor, nor is it a college oriented city like Columbus, Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, etc.  Go to one of those as a star and you're going to be a pretty big deal around town.  Chicago?  Not so much.  Chicago also doesn't do too well in the press in recent years.  How many parents guiding their sons think about ending up on the wrong side of East Lansing or Blacksburg vs. the wrong side of Chicago one night?  All of it factors in, fair or not.

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BucksHave7's picture

Sorry, but there are 20 other teams in the AP top 25 with highly recruited HS talent on their roster that are not the blue chips, whose school is based outside of Ca, Fl or Tx. 

BucksHave7

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Wargor's picture

You really seem to be working hard to look past the holistic nature of what I'm saying.  It isn't one factor, it is a combination of factors.  They all add up.

Also, your use of blue chip (define?) moves the goalposts a bit.  I'm talking about schools with a reputation for top talent getting into the NFL.  Going off of the top 25 you reference: Spots 1-12 all qualify.  Then add Michigan and Texas.  So I'm not sure how you are getting to your 20 that are not blue chips and who are outside of CA, FL, or TX.  I count 3 texas schools, one florida school, and zero California schools.  

Again though, it is about the whole big picture, and my only point was that Northwestern does have challenges in recruiting that others don't have.  Especially if we are talking about long term sustainability.  Any team can get a good run, or a hot coach, but there are reasons Northwestern isn't and won't be a constant fixture at the top of the recruiting world.  In short, the recruits don't know something that we don't, it is all right out in the open for all of us to know.

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BucksHave7's picture

I think you want to use Northwestern as a crutch itself for Fitz.  And I disagree with that and would even argue that being in the B10, NW has 8 B10 football championships and near 3rd largest US City, strong academics, and that it is a rather attractive pkg for top HS talent. 

BucksHave7

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Wargor's picture

I'm sure that is a draw for some.  But I don't think it is enough of a draw for enough top tier athletes. 

Though honestly, I'm not sure why you think 8 B1G titles is a draw.  Of the 10 B1G schools that predate the PSU expansion Northwestern only has more than Indiana.  Though they can boast to be past Chicago by one (hopefully those interested in the strong academics won't factor in the 83 extra years Northwestern has had to get past the Maroons)

We aren't going to change our minds, but it might worry you that you keep putting out selling points that really aren't.  B1G titles this time and current NFL players before.  I don't understand how tied for 8th in the B1G win none since 2000 would be considered a selling point.  I grant the academics are good, but I do think that is a double-edged sword, because there are plenty of kids with their eye on the NFL who aren't looking for the best academics.

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BucksHave7's picture

So...Urban Meyer takes Fitz job at NW and Urban doesnt immediately have one of the top classes?

BucksHave7

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

5 star kids know brands.

Alabama.  Ohio State.  Now Clemson.

Northwestern is a great school.  It’s in a great market.  It has a lot going for it.  But it’s football team is not built to do what 5 star kids want.  And that’s not pat Fitzgerald‘s fault.  He’s the reason they aren’t irrelevant, not the person holding them back.

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cajunbuckeye's picture

Every time my wife has her girlfriends over I'm out of toothpaste the next morning. Do they brush their teeth after every glass of wine...

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

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iowabuckeyes's picture

My imagination could take this in a million different directions but I’m going to just leave it alone.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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MichiBuck12's picture

Me trying to leave this one alone...

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

A lion sleeps in every man, dissatisfaction moves him,  complacency keeps him asleep.

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lamplighter's picture

Happy Tuesday.

Beat the Mildcats,

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

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216ToThe614's picture

Here's what pets do (in a generalized sense):

1) Cost money

2) Get sick and die

3) Are trained to perform a job or work tasks

4) Bring you endless entertainment and unconditional love (might only be dogs as far as unconditional love)

You can't let reason number 2 be why you don't have one. You could make the same argument for being against having children, and as indicated in the article the author clearly has children. Why have a child if you know someday he or she will become ill and/or pass away? Is it because it is likely that they will stick around until after you yourself have moved and therefore it isn't your problem? I've always found this a ridiculous excuse for not owning a pet. There are obvious exceptions if you are still grieving a pet who has recently departed, but the longer you go without one the more you are only depriving yourself of happiness and a loving animal of a home.

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
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buckeyepastor's picture

I know they are our opponent this weekend, but bagging on Pat Fitzgerald just feels wrong. The guy is the epitome of B1G loyalty and midwestern effort, belief, and work ethic. Love his story. Local guy excels at underwhelming school and is a part of short but historic revitalizing of program.  Later, he returns and restores them again to being competitive, continually doing more with less. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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cvillebuckeye65's picture

Totally agreed.  Fitzgerald represents the BIG very well.  No reason for us to shit talk him at all.

TUN SUCKS!!!

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Bnglbck's picture

Maybe the problem with Jake Fromm is he doesn't have Justin Fields threatening to take his job anymore.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

You stole my thunder regarding the BCS simulated standings.  I was going to complain that they were wrong, because I hadn't added Anderson and Hester's rankings this week to my formula and last week they has LSU at #1 and it seemed unfathomable that they would drop after beating Florida.  Their "Colley" column is wrong because they copied Billingsley over it on accident, but now that I have the Anderson and Hester numbers, their computed averages are identical to mine.  Not sure if I should bother making my weekly post about it since it's here now.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

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buckeyepastor's picture

I love this defense.  They are going out of their way to avoid risky blitzes that leave them vulnerable (which is probably a lot of blitzes) but looking at our TFLs we are still more disruptive than defenses that are constantly throwing the kitchen sink at their opponents.  Fantastic. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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cvillebuckeye65's picture

Are you really shit talking Northwestern for having a 5* transfer and him not performing well?  I forgot that he is surrounded by 4 and 5* recruits on offense to make things easier on him.  Come on.  What Pat Fitzgerald said is completely valid and we have no reason to shit talk him or Northwestern.  We are Ohio State lol

This is the reason people hate our fan base so much.  Cause of people like you. 

TUN SUCKS!!!

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

The SAB house is okay with noon (11 a.m. here) kicks. We are impatient men.

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seyekcuB's picture

So date girls that do kegels and yoga. Got it.

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RJerome-15Alum's picture

Serious question--why did we need to get rid of the BCS to go to the playoff format? Why couldn't we have just taken the top 4 BCS teams after conference championship weekend and send those 4 to 2 different bowl games (rotating every year like we had back then and still currently have) and then the winners face off the next week? Just wondering...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Short answer: Seven, 1-2 hour, weekly CFP Committee Rankings reveal shows on ESPN.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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DroneBuck's picture

Hoping to have primetime kickoff, in the cold, late November night against Penn State (the week before TTUN) is such a bad take. I get it, the author is not a coach, not a player and not in any way a football operations guy for tOSU. And it shows.

If I could choose any game of the year to be a noon kick, it would be the PSU game. Get this thing over with as soon as possible, and get the team resting and prepping for the season finale in Ann Arbor.

I’ll be hoping for an early kick that day, 3:30 at the latest. Hopefully Gene and the networks are not as ignorant, and they recognize that forcing us to battle the boys from Happy Valley until midnight the week before our visiting our rival is not doing any favors as we chase that coveted playoff berth.

Head out of arses please.

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stantmann's picture

break-but-don't-bend defense

lol

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

You want Penn State in prime time, with the Game looming?

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Honestly, I’d prefer the old BCS methodology with a four team playoff than the craptacular system that will foist two SEC teams in the playoffs again this year. Much, much more. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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TRich19045's picture

Did this whole toothpaste/vagina thing come along about the same time as electric toothbrushes?

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