Skull Session: Ryan Day Doesn't Want to Move, Nick Bosa Planted the Flag For Buckeyes Past, and Justin Fields is Among the Nation's Best

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I don’t want to stir the nest and piss off the browns fans on this forum, so strictly from the aspect of him as Oklahoma’s QB at that point in time, baker mayfield can eat shit. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I never had much problem with the flag thing. I was more upset about the ass whooping he delivered us just before the flag thing. People getting upset about the flag plant are just using it as an excuse to ignore the fact that we got our shit kicked in that night. Having said that, the flag planting and the dick shaking, and the shit talking, its Bakers strength and its his weakness. He brings an edge to a team and his teammates absolutely love him. He's the kind of guy that you love him when he's on your team, but absolutely hate him when he's not. So when he loses like he did on monday, people are going to enjoy the hell out of it.

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Buckeye Bill's picture

Respectfully, you're wrong. All the talent in the world won't justify his antics. I've been a Browns fan for over 50 year, and I hope they send him to the same garbage dump where they sent Manziel.

"Bring back St John"

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stpetebuck's picture

1.  If you have dignity and pride you don’t ruin around an opponents stadium with your flag unless it’s high school  

2.  You have to beat a monster, respected, traditional powerhouse program like tOSU to be that ridiculous. Nobody will plant a flag in East Lansing or Ann Arbor any time soon. 

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Dillon G's picture

Do you chant O-H-I-O in opposing stadiums? I haven’t been to an away game. But I’m fine with it. 
 

Baker Mayfield is a hot head. I don’t care. What I do care about is behavior like crotch grabbing at Kansas. Or anywhere. 

#walkaway

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I agree with you about the crotch grabbing being worse.  But I don’t equate what athletes on the field do with what fans in the stands do.I am not sure fans chanting is even remotely the same thing as an athlete planting his flag in an opposing team’s turf (which many feel was an act of disrespect), and players simply aren’t to be judged by the same behavior as fans.  All of that said, it ddn’t bother me, I laughed at the dolt for trying and failing to plant it in a rubberized turf.  I just don’t think your comparison holds water.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Lincoln Riley is a bigger asshole for allowing his behavior.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

My biggest complaint on the flag planting is that Mayfield waited until the Buckeyes left the field to do it. Typical gutless Mayfield...

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MichiBuck12's picture

Thats a pretty nitpicky complaint. Considering the fact that the majority of Buckeye players left the field before he was done doing interviews, calling him gutless for it doesn't really hold water. You can say a lot of things about Baker, but gutless isn't one of them. If you want to see gutless, look to Richard Sherman.

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OSUskullsession's picture

His antics all throughout the year showed me he was a petty player. Besides planting the flag he performed his crap against Kansas (who needs to taunt Kansas...) I think gutless describes his attitude off the field perfectly - even if on the field it does not.

The hallmark of excellence, the test of greatness, is consistency. - Jim Tressel

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

"My biggest complaint on the flag planting is that Mayfield waited until the Buckeyes left the field to do it. Typical gutless Mayfield..."

Well, he can't outrun the police or Nick Bosa did you expect him to outrun the whole Buckeye team?

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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cricejr's picture

That was weak but even a bigger issue to me is that he completely manufactured the reason.  He saw singing Carmen Ohio after the game as disrespect when we do it after every game, win or loss.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Extramedium's picture

He probably had (and still has) no idea they sing it every game

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Well, Mayfield was respectful enough to allow our Buckeyes to sing Carmen Ohio and leave the field before he tried to "plant" a flag into artificial turf. ..

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brutus0717's picture

I can accept an honest ass whooping. I can't accept poor sportsmanship, and that's Baker Mayfield personified.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Colortv1967's picture

By association, it says the same thing about Lincoln Riley.

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Dillon G's picture

Yep. Baker is now the QB for Ohio, professionally. And he had his way in Columbus. More correctly, the whole OU team did.

#walkaway

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Hockey Buck's picture

Did any OSU players do something like that the year before when they kicked his ass? That pretty much sums it all up.  Actually, this sums him up even more so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ze7jEdz5VQ

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TurboNut's picture

Man, was that Bosa's dad sacking him? He took a hard landing there! LOL 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That is where I think BM is an idiot.  He claimed this was in retaliation for the team singing Carmen Ohio in Norman.  What he doesn’t understand is that OSU players do this win or lose, home or away after every game.  This wasn’t a special event planned to humiliate the Sooners.  As others said, he didn’t like the fact that he lost and he is a poor sport.  Remains to be seen if he learns to handle this at the next level, because even if he ends up being a serviceable QB, he should expect to lose fairly regularly at this level.  

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Whether you like him running his mouth or not (I am more of the Barry Sanders fan, “act like you have been there before and you know you are going back”), there is a difference between running your mouth before you produce and after.  Last I saw, he had a QBR of 31, and was behind some QB names that most fans have probably never heard of.  At that point, you risk making yourself a joke and target, which is precisely what he has done.  The league has it’s own code, and Mr. Mayfield got a glimpse of what is in store for him going forward.  He needs someone in that locker room to pull him aside and tell him to dial it back, at least a bit.  One of the problems with that team is that no one has the cache to do it.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BuckInNashville's picture

I’m a Browns fan, but you are absolutely correct. He is more concerned with TV commercials and shooting beers at Indians games than preparing for football games.

Doesn’t look ANY different than Johnny Manzel did at this point of his career. Maybe worse actually since Manzel didn’t have Nick Chubb, OBJ, and Jarvis Landry around him.

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osudray's picture

do you REALLY believe that though? I can agree that Baker has been trash, and I don't think he will prove to be the long term answer at QB for the Browns, but he drank one beer at one game, Aaron Rodgers did it at multiple Bucks playoff games. He filmed one set of commercials in the stadium with minimal acting, I would guess those took one day to shoot. Aaron Rodgers also has multiple commercials out starring Pat mahomes. So basically by your standard, those 3 QBs care more about commercials and drinking beer than football. This is a BAD take man, and like I said, I don't even think Baker is good

Keep Calm and Buckeye On

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Buckrific's picture

Did Aaron Rodgers do all of these things in his first year as a starter or did he wait until he actually accomplished something?  I can't remember.

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Extramedium's picture

I’m sure he did it as soon as he was offered the opportunity.  For a guy with a personality and college career like Rodgers’ it probably took a few years of accomplishments.  For someone like Baker, I assume he had offers immediately after he declared himself eligible for the draft.
 

but I like the idea that Rodgers dutifully turned down things like endorsement deals and Olivia Munn’s affections until he accomplished something worthy of such reward.

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BuckInNashville's picture

Based on 27 helmet stickers, I’d say it wasn’t a bad take. Rewind to when he had to stare down Hugh Jackson after throwing a long pass against the Bengals last year. The guy thought he had the position down at the NFL level and underestimated the work he needed to do going into the season. I think his head coach thought the same and they both look completely unprepared on a regular basis.

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jcaseyii's picture

Manzel had a great left tackle.

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PhillyNut's picture

As a Browns fan and clearly a Buckeye fan I am ok with your feelings. I was kind of hoping this game might wake Mayfield up to how he needs to act going forward but sadly I don't think he has it in him to change. Maybe we can get Fields in the 2021 draft.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

See, this is the mindset I would have as a Browns fan. You'd hope that at some point he would get shook awake and figure it out and it just seems like there is a disconnect somewhere between who he is right now and who he should be. And that's not really on a personal level, I think his sort of "outlaw" mentality could be a positive, but you have to back it up and be focused on the field.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Extramedium's picture

He can focus all he wants, he’s just not a NFL level quarterback. and the fact that the browns wasted their draft pick on him instead of waiting for Haskins (or anyone else) is just par for the course for that organization unfortunately 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

As a Buckeye fan and a Browns fan, I can say that I’m fine with taunting Mayfield.  But if anyone has any flag planting planned in Cleveland’s stadium, it had better be an Ohio State flag and not a flag from another city’s team.  Don’t even bring that SF thing here.

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Kugel's picture

Last time we talked about Baker Mayfield I mentioned he was over hyped and overrated. I got slightly berated...so I wish I could give you more helmet stickers for this.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I appreciate it, and for me it's the mindset of regardless of where he played in college, he's a brown, we have a litany of browns fans on the forum, and I have no real problem with the browns, but it does appear that there may be a sincere issue with him in terms of his status as an up and coming professional.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Dstacify's picture

I know it's only a few games but a lot of Browns fans I know are starting to question how good Mayfield really is after that performance and whether or not he ends up being yet another name on the List of the infamous Jersey. The majority consensus though is that Mayfield is a talented player and that Kitchens in contrast is a complete dunce of a head coach and is 100% setting Baker up to fail right now.

11 Strong.

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soldierdad's picture

It will be interesting to see if Burrow’s numbers standup through the SEC cannibalization phase.  Hope so, more than anything to solidify his draft status.  Best of Luck Jeaux.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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TMac's picture

He'll get a good test on Saturday, Florida's Defense is legit. LSU should win, but it won't be without a fight. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Extramedium's picture

I still think the SEC cannibalization theory is just an excuse reporters use when no teams escape the league schedule with a decent record aside from Bama and lately Georgia.  I think LSU and Joey will be fine... I just hope they keep it up vs Bama

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Simply could not be happier for Joe Burrow. Obviously we’re all thrilled w our Bucks start to the season and Fields, but to look back...glad it worked out for Joe. 

As for Nick...I told my wife right before kick. “I think Bosa got a little extra juice for BM tonight.” And as you point out, plenty of other Bucks around the NFL. 

A lion sleeps in every man, dissatisfaction moves him,  complacency keeps him asleep.

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SilverHaven's picture

I'm happy for Jeaux Burreaux from Ohieaux.

But even happier for Dwayne Haskins and Justin Fields of Ohio State.
 

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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WC Buckeye's picture

Having just moved back to Ohio not all that long ago, Mrs. WC said of our move: "You don't realize how much shit you've got until you have to touch EVERY. SINGLE. PIECE. of it when you are boxing up to move."  She is so wise - we're never moving again, and when I empathize/commiserate with anyone who is going through it, I use those exact words.  I hope he, and perhaps more importantly Mrs. Day, feels exactly the same way.

Unless they start losing, of course...

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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Homey1970's picture

Having moved my family 13 times during my military career, I completely empathize with Coach Day.  MOVING SUCKS!  Good thing about it though, it makes you clean out the junk.

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WC Buckeye's picture

Absolutely.  And we all know that coaches can be moved almost as much as (if not more than) the members of our armed forces.  Thank you for your service.

I say this from overseas, having just moved here on an assignment where - guess what? - of course, I have to fill up my flat with essentials. Someday, something has to happen with all of that stuff...

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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Meek's picture

A moving service is one of the world's great luxuries. 

- OSU ISE -+-  Premium Banter -+- OH48 80k -

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PhillyNut's picture

I moved my family 6 times during my work career. Moving services certainly help with dealing with the physical part but nothing helps the emotional part, the separation from friends for the family, learning a new place, having to make new friends, being the new kids in the classroom, sport teams, dance class, etc. We have one more move in us but it just me and my wife and it will be when I retire and it will be to make it easy to see the kids and grandkids with a short drive. Thankfully, at this point, they are in three spots forming a triangle where nobody is more than 3 hours from the others.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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SoulPatrol32's picture

We just moved out to Norman back in June and the moving away from all you know was certainly the hardest part. We were able to make friends quickly though which has eased the transition. However we just did a month to month lease so we could learn the area before purchasing our home. This past weekend we moved again which is great we found our home but  2x moves in 3 months sucks. Now comes the unpacking part so we can finally feel settled. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I won't deny the drawbacks of frequent moves; they are many and are well-documented. As a family, we moved ten times over the course of 20 years (I had a few more in flight training before we got married). Our oldest lived in nine states, the youngest eight, and they attended as many as eight different schools (three different schools in one particularly bad year). 

On the positive side, our kids are very resilient. We always tried to make each move an adventure: new places to see, new friends to be made, and a opportunity to grow. I think they embraced that, and they became closer as siblings than either of us could've ever hoped. And when it cam time for them to leave the nest for college, they both seemed well-prepared.

As pointed out above, every move was an opportunity to purge. If it's been in a box that you haven't opened since the last move, or it has three different moving companies bingo stickers on it, just drive it to the Goodwill. After moving my in laws out of their home of fifty years, I'm glad we spent the last 26 lightening the load. It's amazing how much stuff we accumulate.

That being said, there's no denying that all those moves might've affected the kids in some interesting ways.  #2 gets this odd urge to rearrange her room every two years, if we haven't already moved. 

But after all is said and done, I'm  happy we were able to settle down in the Buckeye State, and I can understand why Coach and Mrs Day would be happy here too. Cost of living is relatively low ($1 or more less for a gallon of gas, homes are cheaper, etc.), which makes that paycheck go much farther than it would in LA, San Fran, Boston or Philly.  The schools are some of the best nationwide, and you don't have to shell out thousands on a private education if you don't want to. And, you can put down some meaningful roots and make friends with some of the greatest people in our country. Go Bucks!

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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SoulPatrol32's picture

On the positive side, our kids are very resilient. We always tried to make each move an adventure: new places to see, new friends to be made, and a opportunity to grow.

Exactly what we told our kids. They have embraced the moves and are very social in general so making friends has been an easy part for them. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

Here here.  If there is a positive, this is a major one. 

10 moves in 21+ years.  May not sound bad but 4 were overseas. That means your car being on s ship at sea for months.  Your house stuff is typically air freighted, but you are living out of a suitcase for weeks (every move) ant it can be done.  I wasn’t making 6 figures either. 

You learn to lighten the load, find out whats important and learn “have less that is worth more”.  In other words you do not need 10 OK dress shirts, you need 3 great ones. This goes for everything across the board.  You get what you pay for it.

My last move (and final) we had every box unpacked in 24 hours.  It took 1 week to organize everything.  Our neighbors were dumbfounded that it could be done, but it can!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

In the few homes we purchased, our neighbors were always impressed that we had carpets replaces, walls painted and pictures on the walls in the first month or two.  We explained that if you're only going to be there for 2-3 years, might as well make it yours and maximize the time you can enjoy it. It was funny to watch the remodels and upgrades they had procrastinated start happening soon after we moved in.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Exaxtly. Why pay for it right when youre selling it, when you can enjoy the new flooring from day 1.

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Buckeyejen's picture

13 moves in 26 years here (I'm a Navy spouse).  This past June we moved up to Alexandria, VA in mid-June and had my husband's change of command ceremony and a party at our house 2 weeks after we moved in.  Nobody could believe how quickly everything was unpacked and placed - pictures on the wall, boxes gone, etc.  It has become an art form (but still a total pain in the ass).  

Buckeyejen

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WC Buckeye's picture

Exactly, Navy - ex-Mrs. WC and I did the same thing in our moves while we were together, and we told the kids two things: "friends are where you find them", and "traveling light is traveling right".  Two of them listened, and the one who didn't has become kind of a pack rat, maybe as an outcome of a fear of losing "stuff".  Kind of like ex-Mrs. WC. 

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

That's one thing that I hope Ryan Day continues to focus on is speed. Urban knew what we could do with it, and it sure as hell was fun watching Parris look untouchable.

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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BuckInNashville's picture

Urban had a problem modulating speed in coaching though.

he was too fast to hire friends and family, and too slow to fire them.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

It is time to shelve this steaming hot take.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Buck298's picture

Coach Day isn’t moving until Mrs Day says they can move. Happy wife equals happy life. 

We want his wife happy, very very happy. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

It’s pretty telling we he says things like they grew up in one place, and having a young family, and being the new kid. Clearly he doesn’t plan on going anywhere, anytime soon. So we got that going for us, ....

A lion sleeps in every man, dissatisfaction moves him,  complacency keeps him asleep.

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Colortv1967's picture

There’s the class thing that Day’s got going also. He has so much more of it than Meyer ever had. He also has the ability to lead and coach. On this front, I have been proven wrong. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Moving does suck, so I totally get where Ryan Day is coming from. And when I think about it, is going to the NFL really that much better than Ohio State? You would get just as much criticism in the NFL, but you probably wouldn't get the same amount of admiration. The pay really isn't any better. It just depends on which kind of coaching you prefer. 

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Tbdbitl should do a tribute to Bosa's flag planting.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

What song would they play to it? Why not Rick Astley’s “Never Gonna Give You Up”? because Bosa not only didn’t forget, Mayfield got Nick rolled...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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OH-IO's picture

At first I thought "GREAT IDEA" but it would also memorialize Baker. I'd go with simply the shrug. 

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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WC Buckeye's picture

How about “Who’s Your Uncle?”

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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HiFiver25's picture

LSU has the most modern (may also be the best, but we’ll have to see) offense in all of CFB and that includes us. Their passing game is stellar and the running game, while not flashy, is effective enough. Reminds me of the packers the year they won it all with Aaron Rogers or of the Seahawk the year Pete Carrol shot himself in the foot by being so cutesy at the goal line. And Joey Burrows is the anchor of that offense.

Bdutta

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I wouldn’t call that “modern” as much as “NFL-style”

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iowabuckeyes's picture

LSU is 75th in rushing. Dobbins has run for more yards than LSU and Teague has run for more yards than LSU’s leading rusher. LSU is only going as far as Burrow (LSU is 2nd in passing offense) and their defense (17th in total defense) can take them.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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HiFiver25's picture

Did you miss the “not flashy, but effective’ part? Their run game moves the sticks. The last time I checked the scoreboard I didn’t see a place for yardage.

Bdutta

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PhillyNut's picture

They look a lot like Ohio State did last year.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Yes, I saw it. LSU is first in the country in third down conversions but let’s not pretend they run a balanced offense. The only defense LSU has played with half a pulse was Texas and they ran for only 102 yards and one touchdown on 3.5 ypc. Averaging 163 ypg against Georgia Southern, Northwestern State, Vanderbilt and Utah State isn’t going to make anyone shudder. You should be able to run the ball on cupcakes like that, and better than LSU has. But let’s see how well they run against Florida on Saturday.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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HiFiver25's picture

Why should they run the ball if they don’t need to? I looked at their stats. 40% of their 1st down came from run plays. That’s not bad at all. That tells me they can run the ball if and when necessary. Clemson was very much like that against Bama last year.

Bdutta

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Always been bothered by the full embrace of Mayfield by Browns fans, so yeah I really enjoyed Nick Bosa on Monday

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PhillyNut's picture

55 years and counting since our last championship. We have tried to embrace I think something like 30 QBs just since the franchise came back. Despite his antics he is far from the worst we have embraced.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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MichiBuck12's picture

And his antics since he's been in the league are not a big deal at all. Theres a lot of people clutching their pearls over it (not you obviously), and quite frankly its ridiculous. I mean the dick grabbing and some of the stuff he did in college was uncalled for and over the top. But whats he done since he's been in the league? Had a beef with Hue Jackson because Hue went and talked a bunch of shit in the media after he got fired? I'll take a QB who goes to the mat for his teammates in that situation every single day and twice on sundays. Outside of that what "antics"?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is not correct.  It is no titles since 1999.  The franchise you are referring to is in Baltimore.  Don’t allow yourself to be fooled by an intentional misdirection gambit employed by the National Football League that was only interested in making one of its old white dudes even wealthier.  You want to root for that expansion team, that is your choice, but most fans are too old to believe in things like Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, and this bullshit.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BuckeyeSaab's picture

It is your OPINION that the old and new Browns should be considered completely different and that the records and history of what happened prior to 1999 shouldn't roll-over.

It is a FACT that there hasn't been a football champion in Cleveland for 55 years.

Who is blue, fast and likes rangs?  The Dankey Kang.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Some of us were pretty slow on the Baker train, waiting to see if he was Manziel 2.0 ... then not a full embrace but if he’s going to bring wins to the team, we can let bygones be bygones.  Me, I’m still waiting to see how things pan out.  People overreact to each individual game.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The surveillance photos in the link about the groom-to-be who robbed a bank to pay for the wedding make me think he wanted to be caught. That dude did nothing to disguise himself. It’s also the first time I’ve heard of someone named Bumpous other than the hillbilly dog-owning next-door neighbors in A Christmas Story.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

He was trading one prison for another. And the one he chose is easier to get out of and isn’t a life sentence...

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Three hots and a cot but you’re still likely to be some toothless inbred’s bitch.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

And yet it won’t be his wife telling him what to do, but plenty of guards and others; Lol!

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

I enjoyed the Big Boy story. Some similarities there after all. I mean who hasn’t broken a window, and napped on the bathroom floor after peeing on the carpet. In the words of Ricky Bobby, “that sounds like a good day”. In the end, maybe she should considering removing and/or replacing the carpet. That would be something else they could do....

A lion sleeps in every man, dissatisfaction moves him,  complacency keeps him asleep.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I laughed at the picture of the two cops standing next to the goat in the dog cage looking like a couple big game hunters with their trophy.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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okiebuck's picture

A Heisman is always nice, but I want the big shiny trophy, the one that says National Champions.

That is all and, *ichigan sucks; Go Bucks!

The only hard day was yesterday

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BuckeyeinRaleigh's picture

Joe Burrow is one of the best qb’s in the ncaa right now, and he will have a chance to carve up the overly hyped SEC teams for me. I’m hoping he lays waste to each and every one. 

ScottinRaleigh

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blueblazer22's picture

It is wild to think that there was a wooly mammoth population that existed until only 4000 years ago. Pretty neat story and hypothesis as to why. Good read for a Thursday. 

I have to agree with Kevin. I do believe there is even more to see with Justin Fields-between continuing to feel more comfortable in the offense and having good enough competition to need to use his bag of tricks, we have yet to see the full Fields on display. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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EnonBuck79's picture

Mayfield and Kyler Murray's Pro Careers will be an example why you never, ever, ever, take a Big XII Quarterback in the first round. They do not play anything that resembles defense in that conference. They go to the NFL and are fine for one year then the Defense's figure them out.....see RG3, even Pat Mahomes to an extent is not playing as well as last year.

Another reason an Oklahoma QB or any Big XII for that matter should not be a Heisman frontrunner is the very fact that they do not play defense in that conference.

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cledaybuck's picture

I think it might be a little early in both Mayfield and Murray's career to make that determination.  As for Mahomes, give me that guy right now.  He is leading the NFL in passing yards and has a 11/0 TD/INT.  If that is "not playing as well", I can live with it.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is what happens when you paint with such a broad brush.  Baker Mayfield’s problem right now is Baker Mayfield. Shut your mouth and work your ass off.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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cledaybuck's picture

To be fair, I think he is only part of the problem.  The other parts being the OL and a rookie head coach that appears to be in over his head.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I wont buy the rookie head coach.  You know why?  We were told Hugh was the problem last go around.  And Baker sure as hell kicked him in the as on the way out.  At some point it is fair to ask if this kid is coachable any more.  Oh, and Chubb seems to be doing just fine behind that O line.  Perhaps they are decent to good run blockers but not good pass blockers.  Maybe some more knowledgeable can weigh in.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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cledaybuck's picture

Hugh was a problem.  Did you see how much better the team was once he was fired?  Just because Kitchens was a good OC doesn't mean he is a good head coach.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You didn’t read my comment correctly.  I wasn’t suggesting Hugh was good or wasn’t the problem.  What I am suggesting is, trying to lay the blame on Kitchens to some degree now when were told it was Hugh before rings just a little bit hollow.

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BengalBuck's picture

"if you're reading this, take up your flags (and also, maybe reconsider your media consumption)."

Now that's funny...and don't believe for a moment that a few of us haven't considered it....lol

You too Buzz?...sigh...

TBDBITL is legit...

Go Bucks...move chains & whoop ass like we know you can.

Without God, there is no Liberty...

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I enjoyed looking through the TBDBITL comments on twitter. Art Decider has determined that the band's performance is art.

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BucMan's picture

Ryan Day made Haskins in a year and is making Fields in a year....give the man some talent and get out of the way....PAY THE MAN!!!

Year for what?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

This is not to take away from Day or Haskins, but they actually had two years together at OSU.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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PhillyNut's picture

Lawrence at 17, Patterson at 47. Almost better than Fields in the top 4 and Burrow at the top. Harbaugh redefining the definition of whispering sweet nothings into his qb's ears.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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PhillyNut's picture

Not buying the Taylor for Heisman. His ypc is the same as Dobbins, yards are less, and he is in an offense that is built for him. And he has already had his fun running against ttun. Dobbins still has that fun ahead of him.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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cledaybuck's picture

Why?  He is a great back that doesn't have the luxury of a dynamic passing game for the defense to account for.

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prometheusAesculus's picture

As a browns fan, please Baker just swallow your pride and win in silence... and yes! I did enjoy the Bossa celebration, indeed loved it

Wizards are all the same, they talk nonsense while they make intelligent and important faces, Speak plainly!

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Spaghetti's picture

I'm impressed that PFF's rankings left Justin Herbert out of their top five.  Every other time I see QB rankings, NFL scouting reports or mock drafts, etc.. Herbert is always at the top.

I've never understood the hype when I've watched him, personally.  One of those measurables/raw-talent type of Hackenburg guys.  Glad he was shunned by PFF.

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MountainsAwait's picture

Did anyone else catch at the end of Gareon’s animated video, the coach judging their 40 race was Coombs?  That was awesome.

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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TMac's picture

 JoeB has a MidTerm Exam coming up on Saturday, and Justin will get one in a couple weeks.  I expect both to pass. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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TMac's picture

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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MichiBuck12's picture

I'm fairly certain this is considered an "antic" by a lot of pearl clutching Browns fans. How dare he have fun and dance

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cledaybuck's picture

It's like Nook from Bull Durham.  When you are winning you are eccentric, until then, you are just a slob.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I believe it was Nuke, as in “Nuclear Meltdown.”  Not Nook, and in “Nookie”. Although there was quite a bit more of the latter.  

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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cledaybuck's picture

Yes.  I had the pronunciation correct in my head but can't spell.  In my defense, English can be stupid like that. 

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WC Buckeye's picture

Hence the need in our language for goofy (but illuminating) things like umlauts, tilde, and schwas.  We seem to get by OK without them, but they'd be helpful in some instances.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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SouthPacificBuck's picture

The name Chuba Hubbard gets me every time. 

"Ryan Day is our Baby Yoda. We must protect him with our lives." ~ D. J. Byrnes

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John Cooper's lucky pig's picture

Nice to see Ward and Lattimore discussing Cleveland Speed.

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kmp10's picture

QB Baker Mayfield on Nick Bosa flag plant celebration: "Good for him. He had it premeditated. He's been thinking about that, obviously, for two years now. That's a long time to think about that loss."

Fuck you, Mayfield. You're just the drunken little bitch who tried to run from police and got face planted onto a concrete sidewalk by a 55-year-old cop, the arrogant ass who grabbed his crank, and the overrated, overexposed, overhyped player for whom everyone outside of Cleveland and Norman has zero respect. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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MichiBuck12's picture

What about that statement is untrue? Or even a bad thing? It is good for Bosa. He earned the right to celebrate and to return that fire. He has been thinking about it for a long time. As ultra competitive guys tend to do. I see you got a lot of hate for Mayfield, but you're really reaching here.

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kmp10's picture

 I see you got a lot of hate for Mayfield,

Yep.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

And what about KMP’s statements regarding BM’s behavior is untrue?

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Well he had a single alcohol related run in with law enforcement, but a spotless record otherwise so I don't think labelling him a drunk is accurate. The rest is opinion based, not so much fact based. KMP hates him, and he's entitled to that opinion. But my point was, that the statement he is referring to is not an outlandish one. Mayfield has said plenty of things for people to take issue with. His comment on Bosa's flag plant celebration aren't one of them.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

We are on the same page.  Comments characterizing him to me were clearly opinion.  The events he details, I believe are all factual.  I agree, not enough is known about him to classify him as a drunk generally.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Fatpants's picture

Groom-to-be robbed a bank to pay for wedding ring and venue

You almost have to.  

PG <3 PG

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bucknut1994's picture

Baker is just mad that dancing and doing commercials doesn’t make you a good QB. 

#94Ways

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Those QB ratings are an interesting read.  Was very happy to see Navy's QB, Malcolm Perry leading all the option QBs (especially the service academies) by a large margin. That bodes well for the Commander in Chief's trophy. And at #28, he's about 20 spots higher than Shea Patterson. Suck it, Michigan.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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lamplighter's picture

I like Baker - he's either having the dreaded sophomore jinx or is having trouble adjusting to a horrible o-line. Can't make an honest assessment until after year 3.

That said, I like Bosa's flag planting.  No need to do it more than once tho.

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mugbucket's picture

I like Baker - he's either having the dreaded sophomore jinx or is having trouble adjusting to a horrible o-line.

I humbly submit a 3rd option - he's realizing that he has equal or less talent/speed than the defensive players he's up against, and therefore looks average or sometimes, horrible.

A million props to SmallerBear.  Buckeye fans salute you.

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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armynurseboy's picture

After serving 20 years on active duty with changes of station every few years, I wholeheartedly concur with Coach Day that moving sucks.  If he can keep up the success, he can stay as long as he wants....!

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stxbuck's picture

I don't get the author's point about Fields not being his best until he runs more. If Fields is "forced' to run, it will b/c the opposing D is forcing the issue through downfield coverage and/or pass rush. That isn't where Fields is at his best running-he is at his best if he has a called run or is able to make a quick read and judge the situation. Fields is the odd mobile QB in that he isn't a frightening and/or natural scrambler, ala Terrelle Pryor, rather he is simply a 6'3 230 man who has 4.5 speed and can read defenses-he isn't at his best when the pocket breaks down.

Fields hasn't had to run excessively to keep defenses honest-his success in the downfield passing game-as Mellor noted, combined w/ an effective run game from Dobbins/Teague, has obviated the need for more running from Fields and his natural instincts, fortunately, do not need to be checked in this manner. He will maximize his QB skills when he fines tunes his mechanics to cut down on the occasional air mail delivery, whether short or deep.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I don't mean he has to run more to be at his best, just that he has to be willing to run. Against far inferior opponents, he's just looked apprehensive to tuck it and run in scenarios where the play breaks down or the defense drops 7 guys into coverage against 12 personnel max pro (for good reason, he doesn't need to take those hits). But you didn't see that at all against Nebraska and Michigan State, and it led quite a few big first downs. It's not that those situations *have* to arise for him to be good – I agree, he's not at his best when the play breaks down like guys like Braxton Miller or Terrelle Pryor might have been – but in games that matter, seems much more willing to actually tuck the ball, put his head down and do it.

Poco Loco's picture

While Mayfield planted a flag, Bosa repeatedly planted Mayfield.

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stxbuck's picture

If your child is going hungry at home in the United States, there is a serious moral flaw with their parents. If laziness or addiction prevents you from working enough to feed your children, you are a blight on society. Most teachers and schools go above and beyond to care for children in their care 8 hours a day, but our society is far too blase about the attitudes of a sad % of parents in our country.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Fields is having an incredible season, and JK is second in yards rushing in the nation averaging 7.1 ypc. That is a very potent offense.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

My morning chuckle. Thanks, Kevin!

I mean, Baker is clearly quite a bit more than rattled. If this happens again, he's going to snap like a dry-rotted rubber band.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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TurboNut's picture

Can the Brown's please trade Baker for Dwayne? Asking for a friend. 

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Dmac3212's picture

I'm not sold on Dwayne as an NFL QB yet. I forget the exact state but there is a lot of correlation between the amount of CFB starts and success as an NFL quarterback. 

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TurboNut's picture

You can't really go off of one game and he basically got thrown into a mess with as bad as the Redskins are. His best chance for success is to hope he gets traded. I'm sure there is some correlation to college starts and pro success but he will have a better chance of being successful if he ends up on a better team that can play to his strengths.  

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Dmac3212's picture

I completely agree with that

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Bucks2K18's picture

I second Ryan Day's disliking of moving. I moved twice when I was in high school. One was in Senior High, and after the second move, I never quite got into the group. I felt like the outcast a lot

That's a Buckeye touchdown!

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