Subtle Differences I’m Noticing Under Coach Day

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huffdaddy's picture

Things I am excited about: 1) Willingness to fire coaches not getting the job done. 2) Refusal to stubbornly cling to a strategy that isn't working (we shall see but...) a la UFM's insistence on kickoffs to the coffin corner, the QB run on 3rd and 4...

Things I am worried about: 1) I smell a tiny lowering of the standards with everyone being graded a champion in every game. So many champions! 2) Can he close as a recruiter? So far, results are good - but UFM could close. Can Day close? Can he steal 1-2 kids out from under someone's nose on signing day?

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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BrutusB's picture

The standards on 'champions' were already watered down.  Tuf was apparently MVP like 9 times last year.

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CarolinaBuck's picture

The standards on a lot of things have been watered down. We've only played four games and some players already have one side of their helmet covered in Buckeye Leaves. 

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216ToThe614's picture

I don’t think that necessarily means standards have lowered. We’re scoring a lot of points per game and not giving up very many - that translates to lots of plays worthy of a helmet sticker, be it a touchdown or TFL.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

According to NCAA stats, Ohio State is third in total offense and third in total defense. Someone on both sides of the ball have to be earning something for that to happen.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Just the opposite under Day imo, the standards of being a champion have gone up. Browning  appeared to have a great game but not among the champions. Last year it was done on purpose by Schiano to help deflect criticism coming his way. 

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Extramedium's picture

I thought it was funny when the LBs were named champions without recording a single tackle

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Buckeye06's picture

The only thing I'll say in regards to Champions is these 4 games have been a more complete set of 4 games than OSU has played in a few years, likely since the run in 2014.

If you play well on both sides of the ball, there should be more champions 

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AzBuckeye45's picture

Best statement I've read so far!

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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stxbuck's picture

Day didn't fire anyone-he assembled his own staff. What he has done happens every time there is a HC change, even if it is an internal promotion.

IMO, Day's NFL pedigree is showing a bit-his focus on teaching and quick adaptation-teaching adaptable concepts/schemes as opposed to specific packages on defense, shows a mind that is focused on quick turnarounds and game planning for the team-a more NFL like concept.Having Hafley on the defensive staff is a big part of this. Day also seems to be focusing less on the rah-rah/psychological baloney that many college coaches often parrot ad nauseum. Part of that is his natural personality, but part of it is also a more technical, small-results oriented coaching style-do the little, position specific things correctly and things will fall into place, as opposed to motivational blather.

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Extramedium's picture

Semantics.  He made a point of not retaining certain staff members while retaining the rest.  That's pretty much a firing

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Can he close as a recruiter?

Zach Harrison, Justin Fields, the whole 2020 class.... 

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irishfury's picture

Harrison just didnt want to play for Urban.  Fields was a transfer and circumstances won him as a recruit.  He has done better then I thought he would recruiting but Day isnt a Urban level recruiter yet. 2021 will really show what he is made of

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stxbuck's picture

Isn’t an Urban level recruiter. Lands #1 DE in the nation that Urban couldn’t get the job done on.

To be honest, I don’t think the level of talent will decrease under Day at all. I’m talking actual talent on the field, not starhanderouter rankings.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Hard to knock Urban for "not landing" Sawyer...Iirc, Sawyer was just saying goodbye to his Sophomore year in High School and Urban's August to December last year was somewhat busy and chaotic.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

We're splitting hairs here. Harrison still could have gone to PSU (the Michigan boat had sailed by then, IMO) and Fields could have gone anywhere but Georgia. Not sure why he wouldn't get credit for this past summer when he and his staff built this class?

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

Not really sure how you can say Fields transfer was "circumstances" My son works with Quincy Avery both Haskins and Fields QB coach and Coach DAY was one of the biggest reasons he decided to come here. Yes Depth and opportunity play a big part but Day was the deciding factor because he felt Coach would develop him best for the next level, not Lincoln Riley where he was looking at as well. 

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

In his defense, QB draw on 3rd and short was one of the most successful plays OSU has ever run. The statistics back it up as well

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Spivan's picture

True, but everyone knew it was coming... and occasionally they would stop it.

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Earthoid.'s picture

Is this supposed to be a criticism?

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awlinBrutus's picture

You are not even close it has been the ‘Dave’ all the way back to the Tressel offense.

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BrutusB's picture

In 2015 Meyer made one of,If not the worst decision in his coaching career, he promoted a great position coach to offensive coordinator, Warinner.

In the list of "worst decisions Meyer made", this one isn't even in the top 5.

As for the rest - it's been 4 games against not-very-tough competition.  We look good so far, but I wouldn't proclaim much of anything about Day until December.

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BPOSU's picture

What would you list ahead of that?

Because one could argue that decision was the biggest factor in not winning another championship

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Buckeye06's picture

1. Having a QB controversy at all in 2015.  Pick a guy and stay with him (JT probably better suited for Meyer's offense with Herman gone, but just pick a damn guy

2. The 2013 defensive secondary staff who never met together

3. Bringing Smith from Florida with him to OSU's staff

That's 3 that are as big as Ed although 1 is somewhat linked to that 

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BuckeyeSki's picture

"Don't forget about ME!!!"

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stxbuck's picture

That's Davis, not Grinch...............

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BuckeyeSki's picture

I mean, it's dealer's choice with those two 

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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cledaybuck's picture

Did you forget about Zach Smith already?

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awlinBrutus's picture

Naw it only prevented us from back to back natty’s not important, said no one.

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Bignate102's picture

Don’t leave out Tim Beck lol 

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Hovenaut's picture

I like Day's earnestness and enthusiasm - I think he's resonating with his staff, his student-athletes, the media, and the fanbase.

That said, he's still green and working his way up. He's going to face adversity at some point, which is ok - that's the business in being a head coach at this level. It's how he'll handle that adversity that presents a clearer picture.

He's off to as great a start as I could have hoped for, but the challenges will arrive...

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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Earthoid.'s picture

I don't know... he handled the adversity pretty well that time Miami rattled off 5 straight on us.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I was pissed because I really thought Martel was the perfect QB for Meyer’s offense. But again imo, we should have seen Martel getting meaningful snaps throughout 2018.

Lost me right there.  You are telling me that the 3rd string QB in dumpster fire Miami should have been on the field more in place of the guy that shattered almost every single conference passing record?  Nope.

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Cruiser79's picture

For me AML was the statement that Coach Trees fell on his sword. I was sadden that Urban had to step away because of his health. But after reading some of the statements by some on here, how I hope he is able to coach again. I believe like others Day was a wonderful hire as anyone to take over this program. But to poor mouth a former coach with the pedigree ( though not perfect )  like Urban is just amazing to me. Go Bucks beat Nebraska !!!

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I'm so confused...was this meant to be a response to my post?  I said nothing about a coach.

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Cruiser79's picture

When you said that the author of the post loss you when he wanted more playing time for a back-up QB with regard to his article, my response was in that vain for me when he brought up Coach Trees. I hope I clarified myself AML. Just think we as a fan base do to much criticism of one coach over another. I'm just happy that we've been blessed by some great coaches and hope Day will be one of them. Have a nice day. Go Bucks !!!

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Gotcha, I was confused, I'm like I didn't even mention Tress.  Haha.  All good.

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awlinBrutus's picture

One of the only reasons I come here is to discuss our opinions. I enjoy talking about my favorite team.

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Extramedium's picture

Also confused.. what does tress falling on his sword have to do with Meyer's health issues?

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awlinBrutus's picture

Platooning does not mean getting more snaps over the starter. At the time no one really knew how good or bad Martel was. Should have clarified “at the time”. Of course now everyone realizes maybe Martel was a bust @ QB.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

But the coaches did, isn't that all that matters?  I mean the fact that Day pretty much told him to go ahead and transfer, that pretty much means he knew Martell didn't seem to have what they were looking for, and ultimately I would guess that is why he had limited reps.

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Extramedium's picture

He likely could have run Meyer's offense to perfection though.. and that's part of the reason so many of us are grateful we are running day's offense now.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Day is more laid back and it shows in his players.

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I’ve heard that’s among the players, Day’s “laid back” disposition” is one of the biggest and most welcomed changes from Meyer’s stint.  The players are having more fun and are not  afraid that every mistake will get them yanked or vilified!

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brutus0717's picture

When did a mistake get a player yanked under Urban (other than QBgeddon, of course)?

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Players’ game snaps increase and decrease for a reason.  I’ve heard active players make the observation as well as players who have returned since Meyer left.  The WHAC is no longer an ultra type A environment anymore.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Could OSU turn into Quarterback U under Day??  Traditionally, OSU is not a place where top QBs wanted to go. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

In all honesty, maybe QBU FCS because as long as Riley is a Oklahoma pumping out Heismans and #1 overall pics, Day has that to beat.  Can he?  Absolutely. But Lincoln is up 2-0 on him right now, and looking at a 3rd with the way Hurts is playing.  

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Extramedium's picture

QB Heismans don't mean nearly as much as subsequent NFL success.  I'm pretty sure Day is preparing them for the league much better then Riley. Mayfield is well on his way to busting already.  Sorry, I know there are many browns fans here but it's true

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Independence Village 22's picture

Meyers refusal to install a goal line package that took snaps from under center cost us dearly. 2 Msu losses and maybe more. It was nerve racking. Needing a half a yard and running a off tackle play that had been stopped behind the line of scrimmage several times that game. Ryan Day is just enough new school cutting edge mixed with old school tried and true. This very well may be one of the greatest Buckeye teams ever 2019. And if he can build up from here we will be the new "real" Clemson on the block, getting the benefit of the doubt from the media, penciled in at top 3 no matter what, and have the top QB's fighting to let them commit. Future is bright.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

And if he can build up from here we will be the new "real" Clemson on the block

and TTUN can be the new Florida State.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Wait just a minute, FSU has actually won in the last Decade, so let's not start comparing the two...  I'd say Miami (FL) is more apt, since their most recent success was about as long ago as TTUN, and OSU broke both of them.

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Extramedium's picture

Media doesn't pick the top 4

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BeatTTUN's picture

I’ve yet to have any butterflies in my stomach during a Buckeye’s game that Coach Day has been in charge of. Sure it’s only been 7 games however from what I’ve seen from play calling and immediately adjusting to what the opponent is doing, the Buckeyes are in good hands. 

We were spoiled with Coach Meyer and we are spoiled with Coach Day. 
 

Go Buckeyes 

Beat Michigan 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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TurboNut's picture

I like the lack of stubbornness from coach Day. If it's not working on offense or defense they are willing to change and adapt. They can make changes on the fly during the game and don't have to wait till it's too late. There's no forcing to fit a square peg into a round hole like in the past. I'd say the other thing that impresses me with Day is the attention to detail at every position... less penalties, better tackling, taking care of the ball... they are just more solid as a team through improving individual skills. 

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BeatTTUN's picture

It’s apparent to me that they are prepared for multiple scenarios happening during a game and that preparedness allows them to adjust and attack. 
There’s an aggressive calmness with this year’s Buckeyes 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I like the discipline under Coach Day.  And, this really plays into my point - neither is better, Urban and Day are just two different animals.
Urban preached going as hard as you can - 4 to 6, A to B, play with your hair on fire - and Day wants controlled aggression with violent action. The difference may be subtle, but one preaches discipline and the other accepts more collateral damage as a result of the relentless hustle.
They are also products of different generations. For a defensive guy like Saban, this isn't a big deal.  He doesn't have personal ownership in his offensive Xs & Os, so he can allow his coordinators to stay fresh and up to date without it being an insult to his system. Urban loved, loved, loved the QB run.  So much so, that he would run it to the detriment of his own team.  It made his teams predictable, but that doesn't work when the other team can match you athlete-for-athlete across the field.
This is where Urban and Day are different, IMO.  Day will be anything but predictable.  I think this is why we're seeing under-center looks from Fields, multiple TE sets, TE routes, and different bunch sets.  And then, poof, they're gone.  We don't see them.  Well, until we see them again, that is.  And, that is what makes Day different.
I think that Coach Day is building a team designed to exploit any given weakness he detects in a defense, and make it hurt.  He isn't going to just be the best team in the country at any one thing, offensively.  He's going to be among the, if not the best at doing whatever it takes on any given day to beat the very best of the best, whether that is Clemson with strong DEs bull rushing or Alabama shooting gaps with freakishly athletic linebackers out of a 3-4 base or LSU running a strong zone trying to keep everything in front of them. 
Coach Day will have a plan to beat them all, and the plan will never be the same plan twice.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Comes from his experience in the nfl where a good portion of your roster can be different year to year. You can’t expect the same offense with different skill sets. Plus I think he loves tinkering with it.

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Buckeye Grove's picture

I like what I see so far, but I think we will learn so much more when that first loss comes.  I want to see how he handles adversity, on the field and off.   Then we can be sure we have our next great coach.  I think he will pass that test too, with flying colors.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Then we can be sure we have our next great coach.

This could also be accomplished by simply never losing again.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

It is different. I say this 100% as an outsider and anyone with any modicum of inside knowledge can check me hard here....but here goes.

Urban Meyer appeared to be a guy that coached his players like a dad with high standards. He appeared to be a guy that lead by getting people to try and earn his love by going above and beyond the call of duty. Most of the time this worked as it is not a coincidence that OSU and Florida almost always seemed to win the gut-wrenching games, but like a stressed-out kid peeing himself at the dance recital, OSU seemed too tightly wound at some point.

What made Meyer great most of the time also made him bad very rarely. OSU seemed to sometimes be overwhelmed by pressure, expectation whatever, and went on stage and peed themselves. Again-RARELY but enough to think maybe these kids have a lot going through their head.

Ryan Day appears to be in every way possible a very modern coach or to stick with my parenting analogy, knows he's got prodigies and pushes them but doesn't get them to the point of spinning out.

I'm not being 100% clear and I'm 100% sure Day puts pressure on the team to be great....but it feels like a more relaxed kind of pressure and one that is allowing the team to be themselves. This also isn't a granola, sit around the fire sing Koomayah type of freedom.

I'm rambling, maybe Meyer spun me out as a fan, I don't know. But it feels different. Not better as the level of success hasn't dipped and we also haven't seen what happens in an L, but I LOVE what Meyer did and I LOVE what Day is doing.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

You’re not rambling Brewster, your parenting analogy was dead on.  Said another way, the players were and played wound tight, because Meyer coached and led them wound tight.

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stxbuck's picture

This is a good comparison and I have a sneaking suspicion that many of Urban’s biggest fanboys are over controlling sports dad type personalities offline. People see themselves reflected in their heroes and idols.

l’ll admit that Day and Tressel are the type of coaches/personalities that I respect and can relate to much more than Urban or Dabo or PJ Fleck.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

This also isn't an indictment of Urban Meyer but after 7 years we can and should admit the man had flaws both minor and major on and off the field. Personally, I welcome Ryan Day. I'll remember fondly the last 7 years but I've moved on.

Is it bad that I'm more worried about losing Pantoni and Coach Mick if Meyer goes elsewhere than I am about Meyer eventually going elsewhere?

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awlinBrutus's picture

Brewster, For some reason some think discussing football must include extreme anger. Or if we talk about Urban’s mistakes that it’s out of anger/outrage. I have fun discussing everything buckeye.

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

dude, it's like you are in my mind haha. My biggest fear is not Urban going somewhere else, I feel he has earned the right to do what he wants. My biggest fear is losing those two individuals. Especially Coach Mick. That one gives me heartburn, he would do what he did here, transform us from an old school B1G team that was more large and brawny pushing people around and turning us into a lean, mean speedy machine that pushes people around. He understands there isn't a one size fits all and what he is doing in the S&C area is more akin to training elite soldiers both physically and mentally. 

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stxbuck's picture

My stalker already gettin jiggy in this thread, lol......

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awlinBrutus's picture

Stalking yourself?

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stxbuck's picture

Can’t DV yourself moron

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flipsaari2's picture

i dont see much TD celebration before the player hands the ball off to the official. granted i cant recall exactly how often it has happened in the past, but it feels more like an 'act like you have been there' thing, even when you HAVENT been there (see: Jameson Williams TD last week).

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ToTheHouse's picture

This coming from HC down.

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ToTheHouse's picture

Their gving back to each other first.

Their giving back to their fans.

It's not a look at me now.

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

Special Teams.  Hiring a dedicated special teams coordinator is going to pay huge dividends when we face stiffer competition and are in closer games.  For as much as Urban took pride in how he coached the special teams, the results were not always there.  

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stxbuck's picture

Chris Olave could-and almost certainly will-get drafted on his special teams play alone.

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Buckeye06's picture

I mean Olave could be an AA WR, so not sure how he will be drafted on his ST play alone 

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stxbuck's picture

If there is one thing that NFL GMs love when drafting WRs, LBs, DBs, and RBs beyond the 2nd round, it is special teams warriors. Guys make rosters b/c they are special teams monsters and carve out nice careers b/c of their value on special teams. Just ask Nate Ebner w/ the Patriots If you are the 4th WR or 5th LB on a roster, you will be playing special teams-it’s a simple matter of numbers.

Olave is a skilled WR but he’s hardly a shoe in for a high draft slot based solely on 9 games worth of film at WR.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I just hope Day doesn't actually listen to fans. I'd rather have the program run by him and his staff as opposed to armchair QBs whose only coaching experience is through Madden.

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stxbuck's picture

Considering Day’s comments to Laurinaitis about ignoring star rankings and dads buying stars for their sons at Rivals or 24/7, I don’t think we will have to worry about that.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Was 247 implicated in that? I thought it was only Rivals.

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stxbuck's picture

I don’t know, if 24/7 wasn’t implicated, my apologies-but the “recruiting industry” is still the “recruiting industry”.

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saltybuck61's picture

I have noticed a couple of subtle differences too, mostly good. For positives:

  • Team is more disciplined
  • Offense is more varied and dynamic
  • The playcalling is simplified when the team is up big.
  • The team is more prepared for the lower caliber games.

For the negative:

  • The team seems to say more to the media that would not be said when Urban was the head coach (Damon Arnette saying they would win the NC, Davon Hamilton talking about competing with Alabama, Clemson, etc.). 

I am excited to see what they do when they are faced with good competition. Meyer was great for big games, and I hope that Day will have a similar amount of success. I will need to reassess after the season, but things look good so far.

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Biggestnuts54's picture

How is saying you want to win the natty or competing with Clemson or Alabama a negative? 

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saltybuck61's picture

Saying you want to win a national championship is different than saying you will win a national championship. 

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Grand Lake Celina's picture

One big thing that I really like is getting the back ups in the game earlier and on offense - running the offense.  Never know when you might need someone to fill in and you want them to come in as prepared as possible.

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Extramedium's picture

Agreed... It's refreshing to see the backup QBs going in and actually throwing passes to the backup WRs and not just handing off to the backup RBs 3x before punting.

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Sloopy1976's picture

Day preaches "one game at a time, one play at a time." We won't get ahead of ourselves with Day as our HC. I'm not saying Meyer ever looked ahead, but other than the needed focus on TTUN, Day preaches one game at a time. 

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stxbuck's picture

It’s not just one game at a time, I think the improved focus comes from players taking everything one play at a time-focusing more on technique every play.

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ToTheHouse's picture

It's not either or, it's both and...

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Buck298's picture

As buckeye fan and alum of TOSU that has lived through all the disappointments under Woody,Earle,Coop,Tressel and Urban Meyer

Interesting way way to start a conversation about living with the disappointments of all of these coaches. Three of them would be considered among the all time greats. What is your expectation for a coach to not disappoint you?

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awlinBrutus's picture

Win the national championship when you have the best team in the country. Yes it happened under Woody also.

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stxbuck's picture

So basically EVERY legendary college football coach in history besides Dabo and Nick Saban is a disappointment to you? In addition to the 3 tOSU coaches, that could easily be said about Bowden, Osborne, Paterno, Pete Carroll and a host of other greats-probably having the best/most talented team in the country but not winning the NC.

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awlinBrutus's picture

So what happened in 2015 wasn’t a disappointment to you? Or 2017, Haskin’s comes off the bench cold and immediately our offense clicks. Instead of starting Haskins JT starts after just 6 days after surgery, another disappointment. I didn’t even know we had crossing routes in our playbook because JT couldn’t hit the in stride, I thought they were curl routes. He was still missing Webber in the flats for god sakes. 

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stxbuck's picture

Shit happens in sports. You roll with it. All you can ask of a team/program is that they maintain the talent to stay in a hunt for championships consistently. Flipping out over a given season is kinda childish. Besides, favorites getting upset makes sports fun-and doesn’t mean you still can’t be sick of Bama.

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RBurgundy4's picture

Bucks are currently 4-0 vs teams where they enjoyed a significant talent advantage, so my foot is not quite mashing the gas pedal yet. Love, love, love what I'm seeing and hearing thus far, but let's see what happens when the talent gap narrows and they're not scoring at will on O and living in the backfield on D. This week will answer a lot of questions.Big fan of the changes, and I do believe in Day, but a dose of perspective is good.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The biggest impression I’ve taken way from those first four games is we didn’t play down to the level of our competition. Yes, we looked rough shaking off the dust against FAU and started sluggishly against Miami but got it together and scored 76 straight points. Fields and the starting OL played only 43 snaps, about half a normal game, and the entire offense ran 72 plays, a rate of better than a point per snap—and lest we forget, the game was called with 3:02 to play. The two longest drives, both in the second half, accounted for 20 plays and 14 points—sustained drives put together by  (In the two highest scoring games of Urban’s tenure, 76-0 over FCS FAMU in 2013 and 77-10 over BGSU in 2016, Ohio State ran 80 and 95 plays, respectively.) 

Day has kept pushing, giving reserves meaningful snaps and putting it on the other teams’ coaches to stop us—Tressel and Meyer never would had a third string QB throwing to a third string WR and now we’re hearing Jameson Williams could be the next Chris Olave and put himself in a position to play more snaps—we’re hearing that after four games when Olave didn’t really show up until Michigan (he’d only played in four games prior to The Game and had five catches; in effect, the staff burned his redshirt when he could’ve been playing all season). 

The backups on defense have stayed aggressive and haven’t played like they were only getting scrub minutes (see Cincinnati’s fumble on the goal line).

Urban liked to talk about not recruiting kids to redshirt but then he redshirted many of them, anyway. So it came across to me as lip service. Time will tell with Day since we’ve just reached that critical four game juncture for guys like Williams, Marcus Crowley, Steele Chambers, and Harry Miller but he seems more inclined to play the best players, redshirt be damned. If he’s as smart as I think he is, he’ll put them in positions to succeed and gain confidence so that by the start of next season, he’s got a lot of veterans and fewer redshirts, which is going to appeal to recruits, who want to know they’ll get a chance to play.

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analyticalguy's picture

Somewhat different situation on redshirting. Until last year, the first time a player saw the field burned it. There was no chance for in-game testing to see who might be ready. Coaches had to make the call based on practices alone,

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Extramedium's picture

We will have a significant talent advantage until we hit either the playoff first round or the championship itself, depending on who gets in.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

It is certainly far too early to start building any monuments for Day. I think, like most, that I really like what I'm seeing. 

To me, Meyer was the greatest recruiter we have ever enjoyed and put together elite of elite teams in terms of talent. His commitment to conditioning was another area that I believe is often over looked. However, I believe that his on field coaching and game management at times left me scratching my head (the Mich St losses are the two that really stand out). I believe that his style of offense was WAY too predictable and that he was far too conservative to adapt to new styles and in some ways the evolution of the game left him behind (see the 31-0 that Clemson laid on us the last time we played in a playoff game).  As successful as Meyer was here, did the offense ever really just look like it was a well oiled machine out side of short stints (3 game championship run in 14, the Notre Dame game in 15 (the offense we had hoped to see all that year), JTB's 4th quarter against PSU). I'm sure there were a few other shining moments but you get my point. So, given what we saw last year with Haskins and how that is evolving offensively thus far this year it is really easy for me to be really excited about the direction we are headed.

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awlinBrutus's picture

You are not alone with being disappointed at times with Meyer shutting down the offense. Really reared it’s ugly noticeably in 2013 against NW and Wisconsin. Tressel ball was back. Didn’t think he would take his foot off the the opponents neck ever. Overall hard to criticize Meyer’s time at Osu, not if you go by his own expectations.

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Brutus865's picture

Urban was a great recruiter, but relied heavily on his assistant coaches, when he made bad coaching hires  his teams weren’t great. Bill Davis, Schiano, Grinch, Tim Beck are 4 terrible hires that come to mind. 

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RBurgundy4's picture

Brutus, there's a call for you. Zach Somethingorother is on line 1 talking 'bout hold my beer.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Don’t forget Everett Withers and Taver Johnson, neither of whom contributed anything positive in their one and only season working for Urban in Columbus.

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lamplighter's picture

don't forget that Johnson was DB coach from 2007-2011 under Tress (was DB coach for Malcolm Jenkins, among others.  3 consensus AA).  I'd give him a pass on last year

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irishfury's picture

First Urban time here was some of my fondness memories with OSU.  Ill never forget winnning the first Playoff CFB championship.

As Brutus said above.  What people dont talk enough about was losing coach Combs.  Also hiring a lame duck coach in Grinch really hurt us last year.  Urban was the best recruiter I ever saw.   With OSU players becoming the top paid players at there posistion in the NFL I would think we could keep grabbing the top talent.  

What I like about first 4 games is we dominated the way you would think a team that had two historically back to back classes should play.  Many times we beat teams and score looks good but on the field there was red flags.  This year my only nit pick is we start kind of slow and thats a minor nitpick cause people come out swinging until we hit back.

I always though it was funny people harped on Davis so much but Browning and Werner growth really prove how bad Davis was.  And Arnette talking about why he came back told me alot about Grinch.  

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Eph97's picture

Crazy as it is to say, we got a lesser version of Urban than the one in Florida. Which is natural because a younger guy who is unproven in his career is going to have a lot more fire and hunger. We are seeing that young guy in Day.

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awlinBrutus's picture

And he still had hall of fame worthy 7 years here. It’s hard to stay @ the top. Saban I’m has made some of the same mistakes. I’m not privy to them because I don’t follow them everyday.lol

Saban for example, the look on his face after Zeke rammed 80 yards up his ass in the sugar bowl. The moment he realizes his defense is out dated all of a sudden. Priceless. You could see him talking to himself lol. He’s probably thinking “ yea maybe we don’t need a 270# middle linebacker and a 230# safety. He’s had issues with coordinators as well, more than Meyer I think. All the good ones have jobs. Hit or miss on the up&comers.

Our defense should have enough practice time against our offense that’ll help us against the spread teams. 

Caution:***No Anger Zone

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IH8UOFM's picture

I'm glad to see true freshmen playing because, lord knows that a lot of them are ready.

I also get the feeling that the media likes Ryan Day a LOT more than they liked Urban.

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ohiopanda's picture

We’re comparing coaches who have had remarkable success over many years. While Ryan Day has done very well so far, it’s still way too early for comparisons

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TPMBuck's picture

Day is improving on an already solid product. No way, though, that he would be anywhere near his current level if he didn't have the off-the-field infrastructure in place -  Mariotti, Pantoni, real-life Wednesdays, etc. Because this is perhaps the best infrastructure in the country, Day is able to almost exclusively concentrate on his strengths which are training and game planning.

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irishfury's picture

Mariotti and Pantoni two of the best in the business.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I agree. Huge fan of Day, but he got to take the wheel while the train was moving at full speed. Got to start off on 3rd base.

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seyekcuB's picture

I like Day better. Urban would be calling QB runs all day with Fields. I also love how we have an actual under the center formation.

Just my opinion but I think he is in the right job this year.

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sstein55's picture

It seems like Day plays the true best player the the position. Urban loyalty to upper classmen hurt the team. Was JT actually better than Haskins his senior year? Would have we beaten Michigan that year if JT doesn't get hurt. Still pissed about Urban's stubborness, playing JT the entire Big Ten championship game, when he can barely run, and Haskins had just baled us out against Michigan.  Still think a convincing win i that game, would have put us in the playoffs.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I seriously hope Ryan Day never benches a 5th-year senior captain just to appease armchair QBs.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Haskins has said himself that he was not ready yet.

Sorry that's not good enough for you.

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Extramedium's picture

In all faIrness I don't think any QB is "ready" until they get in there and learn real time.  And what do you expect Haskins to say?

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awlinBrutus's picture

Sstein, 2017 with JT Barret and Haskins/Burrow was the perfect scenario to platoon imo. JT was in his 5th year more reps aren’t changing much, had over 30 starts,was a team first guy and would do anything for his team mates. Haskins hungry, Burrow cocky but loves his team and has 1 more in the program than Haskins. At the very least our backups get valuable experience. The ceiling, Haskins starts after Iowa,JT blocks a punt to beat MSU. is so impressive in Indianapolis the committee puts us @#4 and we win a national championship. That’s all. We have 10/11 wins this year with Chugs, no?

Would love to hear actual reasons why getting the backups a series or 2 wouldn’t work. Have great day.

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cledaybuck's picture

Would love to hear actual reasons why getting the backups a series or 2 wouldn’t work. Have great day.

Because it pretty much never does in football?

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buckeye1976's picture

So much hand wringing, yet we won a NC, undefeated against scUM, lost 1 bowl game and 12-1 in his last season.

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awlinBrutus's picture

No hand wringing, just a discussion, this is a fucking sports blog message board what else do we do here? I guess we should just shut down commenting and no more topics created by members. Should be fun.

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typeOHpositive's picture

I love Day and I have a feeling he will build a legacy here...that being said, I can name moments in UM's tenure that went wrong but they are few and far between, compare him to coaches across CFB over the same time period and you will see far more "mistakes" by them, the man was a winner at OSU period, one of the best ever, we see coaching "mistakes" cuz we follow this program daily but if you followed other programs you'd see a lot more. 7-0 against ttun, perfect season, B1G titles, a Natty, etc....unreal. How many close games did the Bucks win because of coaching.....a lot, how many times did he make decisions that put the Bucks on top, a lot, how many times did he absolutely get the most out of his players because he knew what it took to do so, a lot!....what do you people want.

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chibucks's picture

subtle differences noticed:

  • they're not afraid to run routes to the TE
  • going under center
  • playing players to their ability, versus making them fit into the system 
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Keze's picture

Total bullshit piece.

Comparing coaches , lets give Day some years before we claim he is a better coach than Meyer. Lets see how this team does this year with mainly Meyer's recruits. I haven't seen this team under Day beat any team with a heartbeat yet.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Fair enough.

Mods: please lock this thread to keep us fans from talking about things that are truly non essential. Which is just about 90% of what we talk about so, Jason, if you wouldn’t mind:

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216ToThe614's picture

Come on man, the title is literally "Subtle Differences I'm Noticing Under Coach Day", not "Coach Day vs Coach Meyer". Remarking on changes that have been made =/= comparing the two. Obviously Urban has a resume that dwarfs almost any other college coach - ever - let alone a first-time head coach.

 Lets see how this team does this year with mainly Meyer's recruits.

This team is comprised of a lot of guys that Day recruited as well, as he's been here for two years as the OC (and was a regular accomplice of Urban's on final in-home visits), so it's definitely not a Larry Coker situation.

I haven't seen this team under Day beat any team with a heartbeat yet.

Indiana is a top 30 team and Cincy will most likely end up with double-digit wins for the second straight year. But yes, we will find out more beginning this weekend.

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
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awlinBrutus's picture

He called my topic a piece,lol

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bd2999's picture

I am hesitant to give Day too much credit until he finishes a season for tendencies and so on. I like what I see so far, but Meyer rarely underperformed out of conference and had a few bad games we all remember but had more good than bad.

Day has gotten to play a bunch of guys already. Have to see how it goes when games go tighter. I imagine the veterans get more time and the newer guys less. Although at positions like WR there could be rotation and guys like Garrett get in more.

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awlinBrutus's picture

I want to see him handle adversity as well, not just the players.

And Coach Day better not DISAPPOINT me or......bring back Urban. OMG I can’t, the game thread will go nuts. Haven’t check out the live chats this year. Relax people we are just discussing our beloved Buckeye’s. My safe zone.

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bd2999's picture

I have not been in there for a while. I imagine that they were pretty insane when OSU was down 5-0 to Miami early and probably when the offense did not score right away against Indiana. But otherwise there is not too much to get mad about so far. The odd play here or there that does not go to the house, but seems like they have been scoring pretty easily when they get into their groove.

I hope it all keeps up. I don't see why it would not but a long season to keep focus.

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Dstacify's picture

Cardale Jones in Day's offense would've been something to watch IMO. How I wish we would've gotten to see that. Also your platooning QBs idea is not wise. That RARELY works in CFB and we saw it completely derail the offense in 2015. In 2017 I do believe Haskins should've started in the B1G Championship Game over JT (JT clearly wasn't 100% in that game) but Meyer was too loyal to JT to make that call.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

One of the things about Chris Spielman talked about w/ Urban Meyer when he was in the TV booth after UF was how a team had to choose whether they wanted to be a spread team or a pro formation team...at least in college.  Tressel was doing both and Walrus was doing it w/ Fickell.  There is a belief that you are basically "a mile wide but an inch deep" in the college game and it will make scouting the team easier as the season progresses.  They can only have so many plays out of a certain formation, only so many constraints, and so much of the nuances

I'm not saying I that is right all of the time, but I think this is a concern

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

That can be said of all offenses. No CFB offense can fool the defense 100% of the time. What I like about Day so far is that he's making it difficult for opposing DCs to key on any one aspect of the offense. Want to key on Dobbins? Fine, good luck trying to stop Fields running and passing. Want to key on Fields? Good luck stopping Dobbins.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

It's not really about fooling anyone.  It's more about execution

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stxbuck's picture

Exactly-the OL has been highly effective in both run and pass blocking this year.

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TheDizzle's picture

Ryan Day has the drive that only new HCs have. He hasn't become complacent yet. After Urban won a national title here, you could immediately see the drop off. Now It wasn't hige, mostly due to the level of talent that seperates Ohio State and other schools but it existed... the refusal to fire coaches, becoming less involved/more CEO, etc. It's why all the bad losses under Urban came after 2014. Ryan Day doesn't have the luxury, he hasn't accomplished anything yet. That sense of urgency + OSUs talent level = good results. It will be whether or not he maintains it that shows if he's a good coach or not. It's also important to note that Urban's infrastructure is still here from the football operations side of things, its all set up for Day to be successful

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

Haven't read all the comments yet but me and a few other guys I run with who played have all said the same, this team under Day just looks loose, no undo stress on themselves, just out there playing ball. Sports phsychologists call this being in the zone. We just look different, there is intensity but it's intensity thru superior execution and they have swag, but not a cocky arrogant swag

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jeroe's picture

It is real easy to look back and say here are the slight differences (Improvements).  I believe this team is looking very strong regardless of the competition up to this point.  However we are in a completely different place as a program today then when Coach Meyer stepped on campus.  Considering  he went 25-1 in his first 26 Big 10 games we might want to compare years 1 - 3 of which Coach Day is only a third trough year 1.  I am very impressed with his approach and the focus this team has displayed but if Coach Day is here for as long as Couch Meyer I think we will be able to nit pick tendencies that didn't always work out, fault his staff for particular player who chose to attend a different university, question the coaching quality on the staff in pockets, and complain which players were on the field more than others.  We truly have a 4 game sample at this point!  So far Coach Day has shown why he deserved the position and has been one cool customer considering expectations!!!!  At this point I say thank you to the Buckeyes for the last 20 years of enjoyment.  No team, coach, or player can be perfect, but they sure give a valiant effort at it!

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AzBuckeye45's picture

I don't see subtle differences, I see a big change in the way this team is playing. Their attitude and aggressiveness is something that I haven't seen in quite a long time. Let's hope it sticks! Looking forward to each and every week. I still say B Hartline was the best addition to this coaching staff  in the last few years. I love the way he's changed the receiving corps. 

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

After reading all the comments I want to say I was a huge fan of Urban, what he did here was awesome. Yes he had flaws and had blind spots for players and coaches that in hindsight were not great but at the same time he REALLY put us on the national map.  With that said Coach Day has been set up almost perfectly to have success, but lets see what kind of success. Things I like that show me he is comfortable in his job

- Hafley hire. Outstanding hire, I really REALLY think he is going to make us DBU even MORE so than we are. 

- Yurcich. Was skeptical at first but have really started to like the guy. 

I also think that he more so than in previous years coaching lets the players play and be athletic. Sometimes with Urban I felt like guys were somewhat constrained and had to stay in position.  Guys now just seem to be loose and flying all over the place and having fun with it. 

I also think Coach Days NFL experience is going to pay dividends for us in recruiting and coaching. especially on offense.This weekend will be a big tell for the rest of the season in my opinion. 

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305Buck's picture

I found myself re-watching the championship run and the 2015 VT game the year after we won the championship and these are the biggest things I noticed. Sorry if people have already mentioned these, but I didn't read the entire thread.

1. Ryan Day builds his offense around the skill-set of his QB and adjusts to what the defense is doing, we saw it with Haskins and now with Fields. We tried to run the read option and option east-west pitch plays with Cardale at QB and it pissed me off just re-watching that. If we would have just built our offense around Jones skill-set and put him in the best position to succeed, we likely would have been repeat champions. 

2. Day doesn't play favorites, as of yet. Not enough sample size to really tell but Meyer's loyalty to a few players and coaches wasn't always in the teams best interest. This is beating a dead horse and not meant to start any debates because we all know Barrett was good here, but sadly he was here at a time where so many other great QBs were also here. We saw his short-comings in bigger games get exposed and we saw Cardale lead us to a championship. We saw Haskins come in and break every QB record I can think of and we see what Burrow is doing now. Do I think they all could have done what Barrett did? Yes, do i think they all could have had more success in the bigger games than Barrett? Yes, but that's also on Meyer and goes back to point #1, refusing to adjust his offense to counter defenses. Barrett over others, Brown over Bell, Powell over Hooker, I can go on and on. Hiring friends to coach alongside him, he was loyal to a fault.

3. This team is so much more disciplined than a Meyer team. Not many turnovers, maybe two? That I can think of off of the top of my head right now through the first 4 games and rarely penalized. Kudos to Day for this. 

4. Outside of Jalin Marshall's last year here, special teams was scary and not in a good way. Already this year we look so much better there, the entire punt return unit should be champions every game. Not much drop off or addition anywhere else on special teams, but we're blocking punts regularly and securing punts. I'm not holding my breath every punt now hoping our guy comes down with the ball safely. 

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stxbuck's picture

Malik Hooker himself admitted that he nearly transferred during the 14' season-his RS frosh year. That was the only year he and Tyvis Powell were on the roster together-no coach worth his salt would have replaced a rock solid 4th year player with a frosh who clearly wasn't fully adjusted to college ball/life.

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305Buck's picture

You think Hooker went from not game ready to first round draft pick in one season? That's "coach-speak" coming from a player. He won't go out of his way to say he was ready and should have been starting over Powell, he will give the usual "I wasn't ready" or "i matured a lot" line as does every other player at every other school. Yet we have multiple players on record, stating that the things Hooker did his one season starting, he was doing in practice for a long time.

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stxbuck's picture

Players mature, get healthy, improve, etc,etc. Hooker wasn’t ready to play until his RS soph year-and he exploded. Same thing with Marshon Lattimore-his hamstring issues kept him off the field for 2 years. Not every freshman is ready to fulfill x-box fanboy fantasies immediately. That doesn’t mean they won’t become very good players.

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theElderpritch's picture

I spoke with an ex player that played for coach Tressel and Coach Meyer and I ask the same question. He said coach Tressel was like a father and he knew every player and player’s family. He knew about your life outside of football. He said that Coach Meyer was more like a CEO. His love was more performance based. He didn’t necessarily know players that weren’t getting results on the field. Both styles obviously got results on the field. I think coach Day took pieces of both styles and combined them to come up with his style. Players play hard for coach’s they feel truly care about them. I see that in Hafley and Washington too. It’s early in their Buckeye careers but I like what I see so far. We will know more in a few years but I like where we are heading. Keep it up coach and go Bucks!

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I’ve heard (from a former player who has been back with Day in charge), there’s a night and day difference in the atmosphere @ the WHAC.

While folks appreciate what Meyer did, Coaches and players alike are more relaxed because of Day’s style.  The Coaches’ schedule is not a daily and all day grind, and the players aren’t walking around on egg shells.

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