That Harbaugh video at the top is just...I don't know man. This is the closest I've ever come to feeling bad for them. Thats just sad. I mean, I'm not sad about it. But its sad in the colloquial sense, like its so pathetic. I struggle to find the words for it.
I can see Fickell being a big target for michigan but I struggle to see how he would ever consider taking it. He has been conditioned for decades to despise them with everything he's got. I don't care how professional he is, I just don't think he could get over that.
Agreed. I could see something like sparty being a good landing spot for him though.
Lou Brown voice: "That's a hell of an idea..."
As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster...
I’m still hoping he decides he no longer has head coaching aspirations and comes back to OSU as D Coordinator. I’m very happy with Day and frankly I think he’s most likely the better head, but it’s hard to see Fickell on a non-OSU staff. I’m not sure there is anyone more Buckeye than that guy.
It’s the two “Oh mah god....oh mah god” that really does it for me.
I would hate to see Haskins get ruined behind that terrible Oline, and Gruden knows it.
I too watched this a felt some pity for ol' Jimbo and UM. Only for a second however.
Is that video real? For some reason the Chernobyl series comes to mind when I view that.
Success - it's what you do with what you've got. - Woody Hayes
While it would be hilarious if it were all genuine, it's obviously been at least spliced together from different game feeds. When they actually show the fumble, that's not from the UW game--see how the opposing players are wearing black uniforms?
And going by the names on the uniforms, I don't think the actual game footage is from 2019. Isn't that from their bowl debacle against South Carolina a couple of years ago?
Kevin saying it's not the first time this has happened leads me to believe this was from an earlier game as well.
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Yeah, re-reading the article and accompanying text, that would make sense.
Who ever said this was from the Wiscy game? It's clearly not, but that's not the point. The fact that their offense is such a clown show is the point, and this is a glimpse behind the curtain.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Isn't that from their bowl debacle against South Carolina a couple of years ago?
Yes. That’s Pep Hamilton in the box and a quick review of their schedule shows that SCar was wearing those uniforms. Brandon Peters was tagged with the turnover but clearly, it’s on Harbaugh.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
It is real, I saw the same clip on a BTN show which highlighted TTUN's 2018 season complete with Revenge Tour fwiw.
I think Fick will be presented with better opportunities than that mess up north.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
Tennessee. Train wreck, but he’s not going to waltz into something stable.
The soldier is my son. The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.
My two favorite teams: OSU and whoever plays TTUN
If Fickell's as smart as I think he is, he'd be well advised to steer as far from the SEC East as possible, unless UGA comes calling. The rest of that disaster is filled with a toxic blend of dangerously high expectations and stupidity (except for Vanderbilt).
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Fick seems to be building something down there; but let's be real, he's had one decent year. He needs to string a few together and beat UCF, Memphis, Houston and win their conference before any of the big boys come calling.
The only hard day was yesterday
Let's hope that's this year. Would certainly make our win against Cincinnati look a lot better.
Great post! The problem with SOME Buckeye fans is their not real. They see Luke as being a great head coach, which at this particular time he isn't. I don't believe he'll ever be a head coach at a blue blood type school. He may end up going to Indiana, Illinois, Purdue or Minnesota places where the standards aren't as high every year. Basically he's a Earl Bruce type coach where he'll lose 3 games every year. No disrespect to Earl but more times than not he always got beat at least 3 times a year other than his first year in 79 where he only lost 1 game.
What makes you think Luke is a big time college coach at a blue blood type school?
My comment was directed more at the crap show tun has become.
However, Fick has coached under Tressel and Meyer gaining tremendous experience. He has Cincinnati headed in the right direction after Tuberville took them in the wrong direction. Rebuilding at a school like UC is not as easy as at a school which has a tradition of success, so I think his work so far, has been successful.
His breadth of work is still narrow, so I'm not saying he's necessarily ready to take over a top ten program, but he could step in at MSU if Dantonio retired. To me today, that would be more attractive than Xichigan.
The o-line is the exact reason I hope Dwayne doesn’t see the field this year. The lack of time to make read progressions and pounding he would take would kill his career. He would never recover. Let him sit and learn, ala Rodgers under Favre and wait until a new HC comes in and revamps the line.
Bosas vs. Predator. Withholding judgment until Young gets to the next level and Smaller Bear has a larger NFL resume. It’s obvious after just a handful of games that Nick Bosa is not a Joey clone. He’s much smaller and he will need to continue to refine his technique. Nick is not as tall and has shorter arms than Joey. That has shown while going against the massive and quicker NFL OTs.
I think the Redskins are just waiting for the right opponent to break in Haskins.
They play the Dolphins week 6 and the Jets week 11 (after their bye week) so I’m assuming one of those will be the beginning of his era
I watched some of Monday's game. I was hoping they didn't put Haskins in for his personal safety. They can't protect him (or anyone) right now.
When he is announced as a starter, I'll light a candle for him and that his offensive line play a little better than they have been.
Les Miles I dont see that happening. His face lifts would crack in the AnnArbor chilly weather.
Les Miles would be a terrible hire for them. They couldn't possibly be that dumb could they?
Thats the problem w canning Harbaugh. Who else you gonna get?
That's what people forget. Who is available and willing to walk in there with a reasonable expectation of getting better results?
This is the question I have asked all of my michigan fan friends and none of them have any names. Basically they all want "a young offensive mind like Lincoln Riley" but none of them know who that might be.
The only "hot" name I've heard is Matt Campbell, who was mentioned on Mark Packer's show by the ESPN guy who covers the Big12. Pack threw some love Gene Smith's way when the reporter mentioned Campbell was disappointed he didn't even get a look at the Ohio State job, to which Mark replied that the administration clearly knew what they had with Day and wanted to keep the continuity from UFM going, which was, in his opinion, a good call. Campbell would be an intriguing hire up there.
I've heard Campbells name a few times over the years. He had a couple big wins a few years go but outside of that I'm not all that impressed with him. He's already a power 5 head coach and he hasn't really been anything better than middle of the pack in a bad conference. I think he's a decent coach but him at michigan isn't scary at all. I pretty much agree with BH7 that the problem with firing Harbaugh is that theres not really any great choices to replace him with right now. But I also think that if this thing continues to go off the tracks for them, it might not even matter. The worse they look, the better it sounds for them to just cut bait and figure it out later.
Another name that I'm somewhat surprised hasn't been in the news more is Jeff Moentgen (sp?) from Army. The guy knows how to build a program and win, but I suppose his triple-option baggage is a tall hurdle for some of the major programs. If Harbaugh were to move on, I wonder if TTUN would look at PJ Fleck or even Paul Chryst? Fleck's a pretty dynamic coach and Chryst, while he's Wisconsin through-and-through, runs the kind of hard-nosed offense that TTUN wishes they had. Given Chryst's Wisconsin heritage and Fleck's experience in the state of Michigan, PJ to TTUN wouldn't surprise me much. Maybe Josh Heupel out of UCF? I don't know - I'm just spitballing here.
For the money that they are paying Harbaugh, they could easily get whomever this year's hottest young coach is. They would likely just have to give up on the whole "Xichigan Xan" thing.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Who? List names please.
Who? List names please.
I don't have any names. Every year there are a couple of coaches that have a great year running a lower level Power 5 or Group of 5 team and they get added to the short list for every job opening in the country. I don't know who they will be until closer to the end of the season. My point is, Michigan has the money and the brand to land whoever "the next big thing" is. Not saying that whoever they get will suddenly bring Michigan a national title, just that, coaches will listen when a blue blood comes calling with a life-changing amount of cash.
I understand what you are saying. But Urban Meyer is a generational HC. And now we have Urban's hand picked replacement who Urban claims is in a class by himself. Good luck to TTUN, even if its Lincoln Riley or Nick Saban (examples), but Day is in for a long run at tOSU no matter who TTUN brings in.
The funny thing is, they gave up the "michigan man" thing for RichRod but then never allowed him to succeed because he wasn't doing it the "michigan way". Then Hoke and Harbaugh have been michigan men through and through so I don't think they learned their lesson. What they should have taken from the RichRod years was that the administration needed to get a coach regardless of his ties and give him the freedom rebuild the program his way. Instead what they seemed to have learned is that they should hire only michigan men that will do things the michigan way. The thing with michigan, and I've said this for years, their biggest problem is their own arrogance. They refuse to do what is necessary to be the best because they are convinced they already are. They are convinced their way is the right way and would rather fail doing things their way than succeed by doing them someone elses
They are convinced their way is the right way and would rather fail doing things their way than succeed by doing them someone elses
... which is ridiculous, because "their way" is not theirs. It's Woody Hayes' way. Even players from Bo's first UM team in 1969 have admitted that they were using exactly the same drills, discipline and plays as Ohio State. One even admitted that he could have easily played for Ohio State because he already knew the playbook.
So their problem is not "The Michigan Way" because there is none. Their problem is not being truly bold. RichRod was a half-hearted attempt to put lipstick on a pig, just like the Gattis hire by Harbaugh.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
(redundant post ... just that legendary Bo was an Ohio man)
Very interesting analysis. You may well be right.
The fact that we are able to even have the debate between Bosa/Bosa/Young is crazy. We have had at least one of these guys getting playing time since 2013. That’s a pretty crazy run of linemen if you ask me. Those poor poor offensive linemen in the rest of the conference
In before comparing Zach Harrison to Bosa/Bosa/Young
I believe Harrison has the most physical gifts but he came in the most raw.
And then we’ll have Jack Sawyer. EDGE-U.
It’s pronounced “Thee”.
Better physical tools than Chase Young? I agree he came in the most raw but he may get to their level if he works hard.
TTUN should get the best of both worlds, a current Michigan man with OSU ties. Ed Warinner can turn the program around with his proven recruiting successes.
Don’t walk away from the notion Coach Fick. Run
Warriner as HC? I love it. OSU definitely wouldn't have to worry about facing a well-run offense, that's for sure.
I mentioned the hypothesis of Fick going North on twitter a couple days ago. If Im ScUm I offer Fick whatever he wants. But yeah it'll be hilarious when he turns them down for either USC teams.
Kevin, as always your Not Sticking to Sports segment is one of my favorites. The link to The most mysterious song on the internet is fascinating. It's a good song with a great history behind it. Thanks for the link.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Yeah, I enjoyed that one as well.
I just finished that one myself. It is intriguing to say the least. And the song does have the sound of that late 80's Sisters of Mercy type of music, which is fun in and of itself. I will not be trying to track down the creator of said music, but will keep an eye/ear out to see if anyone else figures it out.
Funny to think about people having to record songs via cassette off of the radio-anyone of the right age did that, and I was among them. Seems positively antiquated these days of course, but back in the day it was fun. What if you called in and spoke to the DJ on the air? You wanted to try to capture that forever so press record on the JVC boom box and let it ride. Good times....
"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen. I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie
1. Joey Bosa
2. Nick Bosa
3. Chase Young
1. Joey Bosa
2. Nick Bosa
3. Chase Young
By what measure? Has he seen Chase Young up close in person?
I had that same thought as well. Maybe Chase isn't quite as beefy let's say, but that dude is ripped beyond belief. Not sure what he was going for with that order of the list, but I only know I would take any of the three and be happy about it.
I thought the same thing, but after reading it he seems to be including hand technique and such in that category (I think the name of the section is a bit misleading). So I’m fine with that order given that. I think the giveaway is that he puts Young first in the “athleticism” section. So he’s def not discounting that.
Hopefuly it continues to be a Fun week for the Tribe. I'll take game 163 if we can get it, but the Ray's are making it tough.
JRam is on pace for 6 HRs and 21 RBI tonight.
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JRam is on pace for 6 HRs and 21 RBI tonight.
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JRam only got the 2 HRs and 7 RBIs on the night, but it was his first game back off a hand injury.
I have even more reason to hate the Red Sox and Yankees after these past few games. Oaklands loss last night brings some crazy three way scenarios into play.
brings some crazy three way scenarios into play.
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In the last day I’ve had the opportunity to enjoy the staff articles on the TTUN meltdown, the TTUN threat level and now in this article Harbaugh being Harbaugh and possible life after Harbaugh.
Non stop entertainment.
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Re: Redskins and Haskins.
As messy as the season already is (and looks like it could get worse), Haskins can't fix all that's wrong.
The line is garbage, the defense is poorly prepared, let Keenum play out (not to mention longtime backup QB Colt McCoy should return to practice this week), and let Haskins learn.
The situation in Washington isn't like it was in New York, where Eli Manning has been well past his prime.
I don't care about this season for DC, it's clear things will change soon enough regarding coaching and/or management. So let Haskins sit for now, don't throw him out there in haste...this is the one thing the Redskins can still get right this year.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
You know they will play him though. Most likely the Miami game, after Gruden is fired following the likely 0-5 start and demolition by the Patriots in week 5. By then Keenum is probably injured and McCoy is again as well. Either that or Snyder will tell the interim guy to start Haskins.
I check in on 106.7 WJFK, the Post, etc now and then just for Haskins and McLaurin tidbits. The thinking seems to be Miami. I laugh a little because, like will the 'Skins and 'Fins only play each other for the remainder of the season? What's so special about Miami other than they might be worse than the 'Skins. Emphasis on might be. That O line is dreadful and the 'Skins have no running game. If they don't want to play him against the Giants or Patriots then sit him the whole season. It's not like that O line is going to be good starting week 6.
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
I'm hearing it (mostly via 980), Miami game makes sense.
I just want it to be organic, and not rushed...the Redskins (pardon my French) have just fucked up too many thing over the years- decades even. Haskins could be a stable presence at a position the franchise hasn't had in much too long.
Again, Gruden is dead man walking. They brought in Keenum and kept McCoy. I don't want to see Haskins thrown out there in some kneejerk reaction to try and save face (I can't see them turning the season around now, there's too many deficiencies).
They're getting pretty restless up North. Can they make a 4th bad hire in a row? (They could easily be looking at 4 or more Ls by December) I'm thinking Yes!
So were not quite the most overrated program https://t.co/jSedXzd5BX
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Bonus that ND should be out of the CFP picture as well. How voters or committees ever think the domers are eliete I'll never understand. We're 30 years past that.
Buckeyes 4-0 since 1937 vs ND.
The downside is that everyone now believes Georgia must be elite for narrowly defeating ND. Bonus is ND out but it increases the odds of 2 SEC teams getting in. They cant even lose right!
No question the SEC narrative and the possibility of two CFP teams exists, but that was going to continue even if Georgia lost. ND has a couple games left that could give them another L, but the Domers will be favored in all of them. I'm glad they already have an L, even if it is to an SEC team.
I was torn in that game, other than wanting both of them to lose. In my heart I was pulling for ND because I'm so damn tired of the SEC. But in retrospect, I saw elsewhere that ND has the 2nd highest likelihood of winning out, of all the top 15 or so teams (after Clemson of course), so I guess it was good they took an L now.
You don't have to look to far to find talking heads touting three SEC teams. That narrative resets the bar so that having two SEC teams get in seems reasonable, losses be damned.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
This article by Gerdeman is hilarious, the sarcasm is strong with this one!
Is This the Year the SEC Gets Five Teams Into the College Football Playoffs?
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
Don’t let Haskins be another victim to a bad franchise. He’s getting paid, and has a book entitled What Not To Do, and he is just reading it.
Seeing and hearing more about the epic mess thatbis TTUN, I am even more grateful for Day and his staff.
Happy Wednesday all.
Why not both Bosas and Young. Hell of a rotation
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Well that Chase Young fella sure knows how to play the footsball.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I feel Haskins is getting experience in practice, which is important. I feel he has way more upside than McCoy and he is less likely to get just obliterated out there.
Happy One Hit Wonder Day! Seriously, it's a thing; AND *ichigan absolutely still sucks!
On that note, I just picked up a case of Lagunitas' One-Hitter series - Hazy Memory. Highly recommend.
Well named. IPAs will do that! (Thanks for the recommendation)
It's pretty similar to their "mega ale" named Super Cluster, which is my absolute favorite beer.
There are far, far worse things for a first round rookie QB than to sit most or all of first season as a back-up. Even if most of the country sees that Wasington’s chances of making the playoffs are already on life support, Gruden wouldn’t be worth a damn as a coach if he essentially threw in the towel before the end of September and looked to 2020 development by starting Haskins.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Has anyone considered that the wrong Harbaugh was hired?
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I want them both to lose forever
Ash is usually what you're left with after a dumpster fire....
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever. -Falco
So, I sent Wasserman an email on Fickell being a possible candidate for the tun job a month ago, specifically citing WHEN tun was done imploding in Madison due to a confluence of factors, that Harbaugh would effectively be done. I think this was mentioned on the Monday podcast from Bucknuts, but Harbaugh's been living on the brand for two years now, and really hasn't done shit to take the program to the next level.
I also emailed The Solid Verbal on this last week, asking them if they thought Fickell would ever in a million years consider taking the job in Ann Arbor.
The way I see it, at least two VERY high profile jobs will be open at the end of this season, barring a miracle. One will be in Ann Arbor, and a few Ohio guys should be in consideration for both of them.
First, Let's discuss Urban Meyer. Meyer isn't going to take the job in Ann Arbor. No how, no way. I'd be willing to bet naming my next child's middle name being Schembechler on it. Second, I don't think Carol Folt will sign off on hiring Meyer in a million years. Yes, he's an absolute rockstar of a coach, and given local talent in Los Angeles County alone, would have the Men of Troy winning National Titles faster than you can say "F UCLA." That said - Folt's focus is going to be to return the perception of propriety (say that ten times fast) to the Trojans' Athletics Department. While those of us who don't kneel and worship at the altar of ESPN know that Meyer has, at least in my opinion been unfairly associated with every negative event at Florida and Ohio State, ranging from taking blame for Aaron Hernandez to this dog and pony show with Zach and Courtney Smith. Under ANY other circumstances with the athletics dept, Meyer would be the #1 choice, but given the disarray USC has been in with everything from Pete Carroll leaving to Reggie Bush, and the improprieties plaguing every single sport at the school, Folt has no choice but to go in a different direction. IF Meyer ever coaches again, I don't think it will be at USC for that reason, and that reason alone. It's not fair, but it's just a (im)perfect situation. Meyer can and should do whatever he wants to do... hell, I kind of hope I'm wrong, because I think a good USC is good for college football. That said - I don't think it's going to happen. Maybe somewhere else next year, maybe USC at another time, but not USC in 2020.
Which brings us to Fickell. No way, no how, not Ann Arbor. If his boy Vrabel played for Brady and won Super Bowls with Brady and still won't refer to tun by it's name, there's no way Fickell does either. He's publicly trashed their AD and Athletics Department. With that framing the discussion, USC is more forward thinking than the UM braintrust, and should reasonably be looking to bring someone in from the outside. The biggest challenge any new coach who isn't associated with a program previously faces is re-establishing recruiting connections and credibility. This is something Fickell does with ease, and with USC, he won't have to travel far to have an extremely fertile recruiting base. Further - if you look at the last coach that dominated the Pac-12 (Then the Pac-10) it was Pete Carroll. What Carroll did to dominate was, yes, assemble great talent on offense, but everyone on the west coast does that - what Sunshine Pete did to differentiate himself was play defense in a conference that previously had no concept of linebacker play. And Linebacker play/stout defense is something Fickell excels at. Read that again: The path to dominating the west coast and to putting oneself in the national conversation at USC is to play defense. Fickell has that quality in spades.
The second Ohio guy who in this conversation is Matt Campbell. Campbell coached at Toledo, a stone's throw from Ann Arbor. He's got Ohio roots, and as we all know, tun isn't anything without Ohio guys. Campbell's coaching philosophy also meshes well with the personnel already in place and recruited by Harbaugh to run 21-personnel and smash opponents in the mouth. The difference is that Campbell would actually likely be able to get results from his guys, where Harbaugh simply comes across as "weird" to his players.
The reason I think Campbell ends up at the school up north is that I think Harbaugh gets canned or resigns before Clay Helton. USC can still realistically win the Pac-12 South, if not the Pac-12 outright, and Helton is generally well liked by his players, the administration, and local media. He just doesn't seem to be able to deliver the titles that boosters want. Because of that, I think USC waits until 1. It's AD search is finished, and 2. the Bowl season is finished to tab a new coach. The Wolverines will display no such patience, the only thing holding them back is Harbaugh's buyout. That said, Campbell would also be significantly cheaper than a lot of other hires that the braintrust in Ann Arbor is willing to look at. Also... Les Miles is still persona non-grata in Ann Arbor as far as I understand. He's not, nor will he ever be a viable candidate for that job.
I'm not saying that Campbell can't end up at USC - in this scenario, USC strikes second, and *should* give Fickell a long, hard look.
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."
If we pay his salary, do you think they'd let him stay?
$7.5 million a year for at least 3 years is $22.5 million. I think that money is better spent erecting a statue of Urban Meyer in Ann Arbor and getting the naming rights to the Big House.
Regarding UM's potential coaching search; perhaps they find themselves in the shoes Ohio State was in when we fired John Cooper. Looking back on Ohio State's progression to national power over the past 30+ years the hire to move John Cooper could be seen as the beginning. Cooper upped the ante in recruiting tremendously and got us to be competing for national titles. In any case, he built the brand over his tenure to the extent that he could so that the program Tressel inherited was able to quickly win a title largely with Cooper's recruits. We all know the history from there.
As much of a joke we think UM is today they are stronger than they were under Hoke, but is Harbaugh the guy that can get them to the next level? Harbaugh may be UM's Cooper, he's improved them from the doldrums of Rich Rod and Hoke, but it's going to be up to someone else to take it to the next level.
Has he been better than Hoke? I'm not sure that answer is a definite 'Yes'. And under his leadership, the recruiting has taken a step back.
...Ohio State's progression to national power over the past 30+ years
Ahem... although I agree with your TTUN points, I can't let that one go unchallenged. We've been a national power for 3/4 of a century now. We did go through a stretch there where we couldn't quite seal the deal on another natty, but we were top five-ten as often as not. I'd say that fits the definition of a national power.
I think Hoke actually recruited better than Harbaugh is currently doing. He was just a terrible, non entity as a coach. Harbaugh until this season at least had a competent system and was for the most part well executed.
Chase Young is better at getting to the QB then either Bosa. The Bosas were better finishers upon arrival. Chase should have it least 2 more sacks that I know of. He got hands on the QB but wasn't able to finish letting them slip away.
Yeah, the one against Indiana when the QB ducked under the tackle, he has to be kicking himself. He needs to lower that target level a bit.
That is so tough to call there....but in all honesty these (3) DEs may be some of the best DEs to play college football ever. It is amazing that we have had them all play basically together. We have been spoiled.
If Fick was offered the ttun job someday "providing for his family" would not be the reason he would/would not take it....that would not be his only offer and he's already made millions, it would be about coaching there vs not coaching there only...period. As for Haskins, I think maybe Gruden is trying to protect the future, he sees that his line is terrible and Haskins would be scrambling for his life back there.
"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM
I don't know if I could find the footage, but one of my favorite parts of watching the TTUN-Wisky game on Saturday was when they showed Don Brown on the sideline and he did a "I don't even know what to do" type of gesture and face. It was also sadly invigorating for me as they pump him up so much. He doesn't look so good without his great assistants that we managed to pull to the good side.
Did anyone else see that?