Skull Session: Justin Fields Compared to Trevor Lawrence, Miami Knows What's Coming, and Ohio State's NFL Talent

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

So far fields seems to have the advantage over Lawrence just in terms of stats. I’m in the mindset that we can beat bama or Clemson at any given point in time 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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PhillyNut's picture

Right now I think the Buckeye defense is what would make those wins possible. Certainly have not been tested but wow! what a transformation.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Doug James's picture

To me, it seemed Ohio State's pass rush against Indiana, when Chase Young was not in, wasn't overly impressive at times.  This kinda concerns me when thinking about playing Clemson.

On the other hand, Dobbins ability to catch the ball encourages me when I think about Clemson's pass rush.  Be nice if another OSU back was really good at catching ball, also.

DJ

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

 Fields > Lawrence. 

At least through the first three games I’ll take the kid playing for the good guys all day. I sure hope hey get their first head-to-head matchup in January.

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OH-IO's picture

As much as it pains me to say, Lawrence has a ring. 

Whatev Trev

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

True, but hat doesn’t mean that Trev is a better QB than Justin. For all we know, Justin could have had a ring last year if given an opportunity. The only accurate measure we have is this year and this year Justin has performed better than Trev in nearly every objective measure.

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Buck Danger's picture

Sports play for championships. Rings matter. The reality is Fields/OSU need to bring the natty home and then we can crow. 

“I’m so tired of flexing.”

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Buckeye in my pocket's picture

So Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino....got it.

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Scorpio's picture

That’s hilarious.  One guy has a national championship but our guy is better?   

He hasn’t done it yet on that stage.  Looks promising but pump the brakes some.  

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Mr.GoodKat's picture

It's true that sports play for championships, but football is a team sport so it takes a team to win one. Championships aren't won based on how good your QB is. With that being said, I agree about pumping the brakes. It's only 3 games in, and this isn't Shitigan. We aren't trying to win the September Heisman. It doesn't matter how good Fields currently is, we need him to keep getting better. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

One guy played on a team pumped full of SARMs and won a national championship. The other guy played for a coach who runs the ball between the tackles and prefers a game manager at QB. This year should tell us a lot about each player.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

What’s hilarious is your logic. So because Clemson “has a ring” that means every player on Clemson is better than every player on OSU?!?! 

This year, which is the closest thing we have to an apples-to-apples comparison, Justin is outplaying Trevor in nearly every objective statistic. I’m not even sure why that’s controversial.

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cledaybuck's picture

How about one threw for 347 and 3 TD's against Alabama in the NC game and the other didn't.

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

Tom Brady never played in a NC game.  Guess he sucks...

Beat Clemson

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Amazing to me that folks take a statement like “Lawrence has won a championship” or “Lawrence played well against Bama” and turn into meaning “I think Fields sucks, because he hasn’t won a championship.”

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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BuckeyeSaab's picture

wut?

BuckeyeatTSUN says "Fields > Lawrence" and then OH-IO responds with "As much as it pains me to say, Lawrence has a ring." and you are AMAZED that people see the ring comment as a critique on idea that Fields is superior???  How?  What in the hell did OH-IO mean by "As much as it pains me to say, Lawrence has a ring." if it wasn't to say he thinks that it's actually Lawrence > Fields? 

And further more just because people, myself included, disagree with the idea that a ring make you the better athlete that doesn't mean we thing OH-IO is saying Fields sucks.  That's a strawman.

Who is blue, fast and likes rangs?  The Dankey Kang.

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Dstacify's picture

Brady in college was not a great QB. As great as he's been in the NFL there's a reason why he was drafted in the 6th Rd. For much of his career at Michigan their fans were screaming for him to be benched in favor of Drew Henson (though many of them won't admit to that now).

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cledaybuck's picture

No, but he has competed and excelled in the biggest games at the highest level.  You know who has done that in College Football? Lawrence.  You know who hasn't yet? Fields.  He has started three games against FAU, UC, and IU.  Yes, he has looked good, but if he was at Michigan we would all be ridiculing their fans for comparing him to Lawrence and be talking about September Heismans.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

if he was at Michigan we would all be ridiculing their fans for comparing him to Lawrence and be talking about September Heismans.

This is EXACTLY a September Heisman situation lol.  

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seyekcuB's picture

Brady sucks. The most over hyped QB in the history of football. Look at his at when there is pressure. The NFL has propped his ass up for years and this isnt even debatable. The non holding calls the phantom roughing the passer calls that would never be called on any other QB in the NFL are laughable. Now they pull this AB trade out their ass to further his career for a dirtbag owner and sexual predator. Rant over. Fuck Brady and fuck the NFL.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

What’s hilarious is your logic. So because Clemson “has a ring” that means every player on Clemson is better than every player on OSU?!?! 

No, "has a ring" clearly means he played a major part in winning the championship. He's not trying to say the Clemson practice squad kicker is better than Fields. Don't be facetious. I think Fields has a real shot to end up better than Trevor Lawrence, and I certainly hope he will be, but the fact is that Fields has never been tested like Lawrence has, so nobody can definitively say he's better and prove it right now; at best, they're mere predictions. 

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

Yep, Cardale > Haskins. He showed he could get it done on the big stage and got him some hardware. 

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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Byaaaahhh's picture

If Haskins had only played against FAU, UC, and Indiana, yeah, you'd be crazy to try and definitively say Haskins is better than Cardale. 

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

I’m not arguing that. My point was that there are many more factors that need to be considered. Rings aren’t enough.

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Yes, but it was never about literally just a ring. 

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BuckeyeSaab's picture

I wonder if they think Krenzel > Fields because he "has a ring"?

Who is blue, fast and likes rangs?  The Dankey Kang.

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Buck Danger's picture

What’s hilarious is your logic. So because Clemson “has a ring” that means every player on Clemson is better than every player on OSU?!?! 

What it means, logically speaking, is that that Clemson team that we are referring to has accomplished more than our team.  This year is an opportunity to change that.  

“I’m so tired of flexing.”

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Scorpio's picture

You are posting like a homer.  Your team is the best, all the players are the best blah blah blah 

if all college players were available for the draft, Lawrence would go number 1.  He would have been the number one pick this year.  

I have been a Buckeye fan since 1970 and hope Fields is awesome. 

But he hasn’t done it on the big stage or against s great team.

Be objective and not a homer 

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Look at the stats cited in the Skully. So far this year Fields has bested Lawrence in nearly every category. Those stats objectively suggest that Fields has been better that Lawrence. That’s not homerism, it is the definition of objectivity.

Last year is irrelevant to the argument that Fields > Lawrence so far this year. 

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Scorpio's picture

Lies, damn lies and statistics. 

He won on the biggest stage and Fields has beaten two little sisters of the poor and a decent big ten team. 

If fields won the title with OSU last year you would be singing a different tune.  

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cricejr's picture

So Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino?  THAT'S hilarious. Titles doesn't indicate who is the better player, it indicates who has the better team.  Most coaches would have stuck with Kelly and we wouldn't have even seen Lawrence; if Fields had been given that opportunity at Georgia who knows what could have happened.  But as it turns out, Georgia's loss is our gain.  While I do not believe that Lawrence is this generational talent that talking heads have determined after 1 season of football, history has shown that Fields is better so I'm gonna roll with that.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Brandon26841's picture

history has shown that Fields is better so I'm gonna roll with that.

What history?

Please don't tell me you're going to refer to the glorified 7 on 7 in shorts Elite 11 MVP award.

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Scorpio's picture

“Most” coaches?  You polled them?

History has shown?  Fill me in. 

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Yoda888's picture

Depends on your criteria. Based on rings, no debate, Lawrence wins. Based on the last 3 games, no debate, Fields wins. Take you pick.

Yoda888

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Extramedium's picture

So far this season Fields has performed better than Lawrence.  That's all he's saying.  

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Dstacify's picture

When they both come out in the 2021 draft Lawrence will be viewed as the overall better NFL prospect. I have a feeling Fields being known more as a runner will be used against him (like it's used against a lot of NFL QBs, see Cam Newton who has been criticized relentlessly for how much he runs). That being said I do see a lot of Patrick Mahomes-like potential with Fields (and Mahomes was only taken in the early teens when he was drafted while a pedestrian QB in Mitchell Trubisky was drafted well ahead of him).

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Dillon G's picture

Trent Dilfer has a ring, Dan Marino does not.

#walkaway

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Colortv1967's picture

I’ll go along with that, although OSU head to head with the bullpups would make for a special game also. Fields would mop up the Georgia grass, out playing Fromm in all facets of the game. It would not take much for Day to out coach Get Smart. 

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brooksi47's picture

Gotta get Fields battle tested first. But he's off to the great start! The potential is absolutely there. 

Brooks Ward

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blueblazer22's picture

I would love to see a major team run the wishbone, even if it was Chip Kelly who seems like a complete ass clown. Georgia Tech is likely wishing right now they were still running it under Paul Johnson. 

The jamoke in the cold case story seems like a great guy-how can they be pinning decades-old murders on him? Oh wait, he went to jail back in the day for rape and was recently acquitted of murder basically  because of a technicality. I hope they nail this jabbroni for everything they can pin on him. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Dillon G's picture

Zach Harrison needs to wear out a pair of cleats on Saturday. Sadly, it will be the tackle assigned to keep with him that gets his ankle snapped.

#walkaway

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OH-IO's picture

Hi sack was odd. Looked like he kinda wrapped and picked the qb up as opposed to inflicting pain. 

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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Ole Buckeye's picture

On his sack, his closing speed was sick.  like, Bam!

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MichiBuck12's picture

I don't think he's ready today, but by the time the playoff rolls around, I would love to see Justin Fields matchup against Trevor Lawerence. Let Clemson get fat on cupcakes and then destroy them.

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Dillon G's picture

I love Joe Burrow, figuratively. But I want Ohio State to play and beat him. And his Batman shirt.

#walkaway

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buckeye1964's picture

lawrence currently has 9tds to 5 picks - you think HE looks "ready"?

danny

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

The thing I hate about these unequal matchups is the amount of injuries. I always feel awful with a final score of 50+ to 0 and 5 guys carted off on stretchers. 

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TMac's picture

Not that I want anybody carted off, but please don't let them be Buckeyes. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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BillyBoy's picture

QB rankings so far - Hurts #1,  Tua #2, Fields #3, Lawrence #17.  Justin is the new kid on the block. With coach Day whispering in his ear, we fans are in for a treat this season.   

My two favorite teams: OSU and whoever plays TTUN

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Dstacify's picture

Hurts doesn't surprise me. He has Lincoln Riley coaching him. Tua is having a great season so far but I don't see him succeeding in the NFL. He's a system QB if I ever saw one and at this point he's almost a shoe-in to go to Miami 1st overall next year and play in whatever the hell they call a system. I don't see him succeeding in that situation at all, the Dolphins have set themselves back too far atm by dismantling their entire team. It'll be at least 3 years before they're a competitive team again. Tua by himself is not going to change that in fact he's more likely to be set up to fail by them.

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SantaBarbaraBuck's picture

Small to medium?? Nice work, brother. 

"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Don't underestimate Kevin’s achievement: it was a kid’s small...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Mr.GoodKat's picture

Next Kevin is going to wish he stopped growing and having to buy bigger shirts... I'm not talking height either... 

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Blackcoffee's picture

I don't think the Buckeyes season begins until next week vs Nebraska.

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allinosu's picture

On a neutral field I don't see a whole lot of difference between Indiana and Nebraska. Indiana is a little better on defense and throws it better while Nebraska runs the ball better.  We would have to have a major letdown and turnovers to lose that game. 

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Extramedium's picture

We're going to pump up Nebraska around here like we did Cincinnati

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Canukbuck's picture

Games like MIami (Ohio) always have me nervous - not that the outcome isn't a forgone conclusion, but the injury factor for starters.  It seems that Urban was used to leaving starters in just a little longer than prudent, but Coach Day has no problem pulling his starters, keeping them fresh and providing second and third team players put in some meaningful reps during 4th and even 3rd quarters. 

These meaningful minutes are allowing players to emerge and gain confidence.  If I was to suggest that Master Teague, after 3 games, would be listed in the top 5 rushers in the Big Ten, it would have sounded ridiculous, but that's all due to him being given the opportunity to get more than mop up duty.

Let's put this game on ice by mid-second quarter and get those backups into the game early - it's a long season and we need all hands on deck for the meat of the schedule ..... 

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buckinraleigh's picture

I find it interesting that there have been a number of comments by folks over the past month, saying something along the lines of, "Day does such-and-such so much better than Urban".  Granted Day is 6-0 as a head coach, and things are going well, but you're comparing him to a slam dunk Hall of Fame coach.  Memories are short.

And Day's player rotation is pretty much the same as what Urban did.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Bingo. 

Coach Meyer was leaving starters in longer last season because a) starting defense wasn’t getting it done and needed to be on the field and b) the offense needed to keep scoring because of a).

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Byaaaahhh's picture

Coach Meyer was leaving starters in longer last season because a) starting defense wasn’t getting it done and needed to be on the field and b) the offense needed to keep scoring because of a).

I don't even think Day is getting his players out any earlier than Urban would have. Day has kept the first team in pretty late in some of the early games because they need the experience since it's early in the season. That's exactly what Urban did. 

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avail31678's picture

Yeh - I love Day so far, and love the trajectory, but as some have already pointed out, he was gifted the most talented group of players possibly in OSU history.  Heck, even this Skully points out who we lost in the draft and how, amazingly, this year's players might be better.

I will say, though, Day SEEMS to get these boys up for weak opponents so far.  No let downs or close games at all against Cincy or Indiana.  

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Woodylegend's picture

Days on a recruiting rampage for the future as well. Not only can he coach, motivate, and get these kids to progress, hes bringing in more for the future. Reloading...Great times for buckeye nation. Gana beat ttun back to the stone age again. At their house. Again

"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Whoever heard of a mellow winner."

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Hemi14's picture

I totally agree, Buckinraleigh. Many comments on here seem to criticize Urban, as if these “armchair coaches” know so much more than one of the greatest coaches to ever step onto a college football field. I’m pumping the breaks on Day, at least for now. His 6-0 record consists of 5 very inferior opponents, if memory serves, and 2 Buckeye teams with a boatload of talent. He may very well be a great coach. All indications lean that direction. Let’s see how things go once they’re in the meat of the schedule, and maybe the playoffs. One thing for sure. Day has a long way to go before being put on Urban’s level. Those who disagree need to check Meyer’s head coach history.  

Arizona Buckeye

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Extramedium's picture

The problem with judging any OSU coach's record that way is that almost every game we play is vs an inferior opponent.  At least unless we make the playoffs.. even if we lose in round 1 every time you can get a 95% win ratio that way

I don't think anyone isreally claiming Day is a better coach than Meyer at this point, but it is refreshing to see some of the new things going on so far and I can't really blame anyone for pointing some of those differences out.

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Doug James's picture

Watched Saints play and Michael Thomas, etc. were playing when game was over.  Wow

DJ

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PhillyNut's picture

We all love and are grateful for what Cardale accomplished in 2014 but we all thought we had a Heisman winner coming back in 2015 and it just did not work out. Lawrence has his flaws and they are starting to show. The fact that they are likely to face no real competition until the playoffs will either continue to mask his deficiencies or allow them time to get things corrected.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Extramedium's picture

They haven't really been masked so far this season

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Buck298's picture

OSU vs Miami... reminds of the time I was in a rec league. We were the worst team and about to play the best team. To top it off, our two best players, and the only guys on our team over 6’ tall couldn’t make the game. So I got to guard a guy that was 6’6” and formerly played for Northwestern. They scored more in the first ten minutes than we scored for the whole game. It was an ass kicking of biblical proportions. 

This is Miami’s fate on Saturday. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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MichiBuck12's picture

I was once invited to play in a mens rec hockey tournament. It was a last second deal and my buddies team needed guys. So I show up to the rink and find out we are in the A division. And this is Michigan so mens rec hockey is no joke. Our first game was against a team with 2 former AHL players, and a bunch of guys that recently finished their college careers. Luke Glendening who had just finished his career as the captain at Michigan but had not yet made the NHL (he is now an assistant captain for the Redwings), and Eric Alexander who had just played in the Frozen Four with Ferris State and is currently in the Boston Bruins minor league system. And then some of their college teammates who I don't know the names of. Granted, there were some decent players on my team (I was not one of them) but the ass kicking we took was probably on par with the one you guys took.

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bdbrown66's picture

Maybe Chip Kelly will end up replacing Harbaugh. The wishbone would be considered a modern offense up there, and it fits perfectly with the players they have been recruiting.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Mike Leach and Chip Kelly are on the same page regarding the Wishbone. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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blocko330's picture

I'm really liking this dominant defense thing. We should try it every season.
 

I’d allow it.

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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JTstan16's picture

i've been a proud member of the Fields > Lawrence campaign since Week 1. This train isn't stopping anytime soon. 

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Ole Buckeye's picture

the best advantage with Fields is the Zero Turnovers.  Not just picks, he hasn't fumbled. 

And, forget about winning a natty last year with a defense that gave up 51 to Maryland. 13-1 was a pretty good mark. 

THE Miami University is going to be in for a world of hurt.  I think Chugunov and Hoak will both get TDs this week. 

And Day is going to have fun deciding what to show this week just to mess with Nebraska's defensive staff. 

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Nebraska's defensive staff.

lolwut?

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Hovenaut's picture

Oregon fans must enjoy reading up on the adventures of Chip Kelly these days.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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buckeyedude's picture

I thought we'd see more of Brendon White on defense at this point. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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buckinraleigh's picture

Me too, I thought we'd see a lot of White when Indiana gave up on the running game the other day.  But Werner has been playing well; no complaints here.

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brooksi47's picture

I think as the season progresses you will. I think the defensive staff would like to play Werner, (3 true LB's) more, especially against BIG10 opponents, but as the season goes on, and offensives have more film being able to adjust by bringing in White at that Bullet position can really help. Not to mention if you're looking at this team as a potential Final 4 team, I think that Bullet becomes much more valuable against offenses such as Oklahoma, Bama, and Clemson. Teams that have pure speed all over the field. (Which depending on if their WR's are healthy enough could be Meat-Chicken at the end of the year)

Brooks Ward

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TMac's picture

"I'm really liking this dominant defense thing." - Kevin

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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BucksHave7's picture

And some of you dont blame Greg Schiano for this? LOL

BucksHave7

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Last year’s defense was more than one guy's fault. There was a lot of blame to go around. It starts with Schiano but it doesn’t end there, which is why LJSR is the only defensive coach from last year who’s still on the staff.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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JTstan16's picture

Bill Davis deserved as much blame as Schiano. Just terrible LB coaching.

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BucksHave7's picture

You can blame any defensive coaches, but the blame starts at the top on the D side.  I mean, the Defensive numbers last year were the worst in tOSU history, not just a below avg defensive year, the Worst.   

Help me understand, why do you care about Greg Schiano so much?

BucksHave7

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BbBnD's picture

I don’t care about Schiano, but didn’t he preside over two top 20 defenses, one of which was a top 10, before it went to shit last year? Granted, the Iowa game happened before Grinch got here, but at least they weren’t consistently bad until Grinch came. 

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Extramedium's picture

No one does.. it's just that we don't think he woke up one day and suddenly and inexplicably forgot how to Defense.

It's much more logical to conclude that new variables caused the new issues, and suddenly having to share DC responsibilities with a guy who proved himself by marginally improving a pac 12 secondary might have been a bigger problem than Schiano himself.  Especially since our secondary play dropped off a cliff when he arrived and suddenly looks elite again.

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Extramedium's picture

Yes because Schiano wasn't the different factor between when we had a good defense and when we had a bad one.

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TMac's picture

B1G Defenses - not a bad start

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Seattle Linga's picture

Whoa whoa whoa -------- that has to be wrong. Where's ttun I thought they were the best in everything. 

The off season bites !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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JMeadows's picture

Has to be wrong without Bama in there as well.  They've been voted the best defense for the next five years.  

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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TMac's picture

Always be Recruiting!

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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BucksHave7's picture

Actually, take a look at the teams in the top 25.  Mostly East Coast or Central Time Zone teams.  

The West doesnt recruit well from the East Coast or Central Time zones.   Could it be because HS kids arent staying up on a Sat night til Midnight to watch West coast games?   Not the only reason, but probably a big part of it. 

BucksHave7

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The PAC-12 expects to compete for eyeballs by going head-to-head against teams from the eastern and central time zones in the noon/11 am time slot? It just further shows no one cares if anyone’s actually in the stadium because I can’t see fans digging this move.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BucksHave7's picture

Disagree completely.  Id tune in to watch a great Pac12 game at Noon.  I wouldnt tune in to that same game at 10:30pm on a Sat night. 

BucksHave7

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

The actual fans of those teams might not agree.  For example, I've heard our game against the Ducks mentioned as one of those early games.  Think about the logistics of getting to your seat for a 9:00 kick.  It would suck for the locals, but Eugene is a small town, so there aren't that many of those. Most fans, including visiting Buckeyes, will have to come from the Portland area (> 100 miles) which means getting on the road by 6:00 at the absolute latest (5:00 would be better.)  And that's just to get to your seat by the kick; no tailgating, no bands, nothing that makes CFB special. Sounds like another Larry Scott brain fart.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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BucksHave7's picture
Sorry to say TV eyeballs are what drives the almighty $ and and perhaps recruiting. 
And seriously....like there is anything else going on in Oregon at that hour?

BucksHave7

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Disagree completely.  Id tune in to watch a great Pac12 game at Noon.  I wouldnt tune in to that same game at 10:30pm on a Sat night. 

I was talking around those teams’ fans attending the game, not about people in the ET and CT zones watching it, hence my comment about the PAC-12 not caring if anyone’s in the stands. It’s not just that the game would be at 9 am but what people need to do to get themselves there for something that early, especially if they’re driving in. There’s already a game attendance problem for CFB, and especially with students; this would only make it worse.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BucksHave7's picture

The loyal fans are going to attend no matter what time it is.  Plus you picked OR as your example? What else are those fans doing at that time?

BucksHave7

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Scooter's picture

Actually, everyone seems to forget there is another time slot available.  Why not start at 12:30 PST and show up on east coast at 3:30?  It's doesn't have to be a choice between 9PST and 8PST.

Scooter

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unknownmusketeer's picture

If the PAC-12 really wanted eyeballs, there is a time slot at 9 am ET (6 am PT) that is open.

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The Braden's picture

That couple caught in the throes of passion in the backseat if the squad car looks as if their love is fueled by raw emotion and meth

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Major H's picture

And some stupidity thrown in for good measure.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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lamplighter's picture

Hmm, seems like alcohol was involved as well

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ToTheHouse's picture

As a life'r, die-hard Buck & Brownie it's absolutely killer to have both rep'ing for our great state.

Field and Baker are excelling right on pace, anyone that witnessed ODB's 161 (bang the all Wets) last night got a show.

Gotta pump all faithfuls anticipation scales... and pump the breaks on the next up.

Owning. skunk. weasels. Is. Tradition.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Hey Kevin Woidke, perhaps you can work with Chase Young on the nuances of catching the football?

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Chuck Martin's take, albeit likely true, is terrible. It sounds like he is coming for a check and hoping to get out of town as unscathed as possible.

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Brandon26841's picture

That might even be underselling it, because I'd wager Ohio State has a few walk-ons Miami would have graciously accepted as scholarship players.

 https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Xavier-Johnson-97692/RecruitInterests/

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JTFor President2016's picture

If Damon Arnette continues to play like he did last week, there are 3 1st round picks starting in our secondary, and that's not even including Fuller. With Malik Harrison, there is a chance 5 defensive Buckeyes are drafted on Day 1. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

"there are times when Jeff Okudah doesn't even look like the best corner on Ohio State's roster"

Ok you might just want to slowdown and back away from that one. Okudah is on another level right now, another level relative to any other corner in the whole country that I've seen so far. Okudah's play through 3 games is as flawless as I've ever seen a college CB play through 3 games around here.

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TheSidesBurn's picture

Honestly was kind of high on Lawrence last year but he looks totally different now. Texas A&M was the only team they played that’s better than the teams on our schedule. I’m sorry but the “best QB” in CFB doesn’t throw two picks against a team that got blown out by a bad Maryland team. Forget SEC bias, I’m tired of ESPN always saying that the number one team is the best ever. Alabama and Clemson definitely took steps back this year and we took a big step forward...

“It is not death therefore that is burdensome, but the fear of death.”

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BucksHave7's picture

I think the upside on Fields is way higher at the college level because of Fields style of game. 

BucksHave7

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MichiBuck12's picture

I assume you mean Texas A&M is better than the teams on our schedule so far? Because I would bet good money that they lose at least 4 but most likely 5 games this year and are not ranked at the end of the year. Clemson plays the most laughable schedule I've ever seen for a playoff team. They play absolutely nobody and it won't change until the committee starts to punish them for it. In order for that to happen, somebody needs destroy them in the playoff. I hope we are the team to do it. I also don't think Lawrence is that good. I think he has a great supporting cast and a coaching staff that helped him cover his deficiencies as a freshman. I think the more they let him try to do, the more he will be exposed. Obviously he could improve and legitimately become a great QB. But I don't think he's the finished product the media hype would have us believe.

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TheSidesBurn's picture

Yea I meant that the only team they've played thus far that is more challenging than our lineup so far is TAMU. Syracuse is a joke and is the second hardest team they'll play all year.

“It is not death therefore that is burdensome, but the fear of death.”

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MichiBuck12's picture

I agree with this completely. The second best team on clemsons schedule lost by 40 points to the 5th best team in the B1G East.

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Wargor's picture

I'm not one for basing very much on previous seasons, but despite a pathetically weak schedule, they were a hella good team last year, and if undefeated deserve the benefit of the doubt (so there's no way to punish them).  Punishment comes if they lose somewhere and thus look human.  When they have to hold up their 12-1 against several others for limited slots, then perhaps SOS will come into play.

Agreed on destroying them in the playoff.  Once the reality of Clemson being really good is changed, then we can look at them in the same light we might look at a 13-0 Utah this year...

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Seattle Linga's picture

Thanks for the QB breakdown Kevin - those are some real nice stats.

The off season bites !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

Seattle Sounders 2019 MLS Champions

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

 NOT STICKING TO SPORTS. Ex-Google worker fears 'killer robots' could cause mass atrocities...

Shades of Skynet in The Terminator franchise.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

For heaven't sake, don't tell Doug Lesmerisis, we'll never hear the end of it.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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aeronaut's picture

Careful on your Charlotte slander.. they were the top ranked defense on Clemson's schedule (using total defense, which I admit is a flawed statistic, but go with it for the humor)

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twotimebuck's picture

I know it's a whistle, but it kind of looks like Ryan Day is smoking an old pipe.

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KCAlum's picture

Seinfeld is still funny and all, but it has been in repeats for 20 years.  If that is the best thing your streaming service offers, then well, it may be time to short Netflix stock.  

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Bigmarty's picture

Gonna believe that Fields is quite a way from reaching his full potential.  Only time and experience will get him there.

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buckeyepastor's picture

Lawrence is in his second year as a starter.  That's worth a lot.  But Fields is definitely showing great skill, making good decisions with the ball.  Excited to see what he does against Michigan State.  If he can poke holes in that defense, we may be on our way to the playoff.  

Objectively, if OSU and Clemson both continue to play at the level we've seen so far and go undefeated, It seems like OSU should be the higher seed.  If Bama, OU, and ND all win out (which is possible), along with Clemson and OSU, Clemson is clearly going to be the team with the weakest resume, by a lot.   Yet, they are pretty much already penciled into the playoffs, which sucks.   Tired of their presumed greatness in spite of playing in a conference that may be the weakest of the power 5.  Also tired of Dabo.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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ueyedtent's picture

What Trevor Lawrence did was amazing last year, but he was not the first true freshmen QB to win the Natty, as written by Stephen Means.  Lawrence is the first true freshman to win since Jamelle Holieway led the Oklahoma Sooners over the Penn State Lions in the Orange Bowl 33 years ago. During the 1985-1986 season, Holieway took over as starting quarterback after Troy Aikman's leg was broken.

As far as TL and JF, we are splitting hairs over which one is better.  I am more excited about having Ryan Day as our coach.  I think he is going to the get the most out of whatever QB is on the roster.  As long as Day is our Coach, we will be in great shape.

We can let the debate about JF & TL be settled on the field when they meet in the CFP.  

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buckeye phi's picture

I'm not going to say Fields is not going to be better than Lawrence (I certainly hope he will be) - but it's way too early to come to that conclusion yet.  Even though it's been against weak competition, I am extremely impressed by zero turnovers by our guy - especially, considering his relative lack of experience. 

But that brings me to a point I didn't see mentioned above:  While I respect what Swinney has been able to do at Clemson, Fields has the advantage of being coached by a fellow I believe to be one of the best young offensive minds in the game. 

Everybody talks about Fields' physical gifts - a very good arm and tremendous ability as a runner - but I'm most impressed by his intelligence and how well he's taken to Day's coaching in a fairly short period of time.  Resulting in very good numbers and most importantly, zero picks.

I'm just hoping we have the kind of season that results in a match-up between Fields and Lawrence -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

No respect for Swinney at all because everyone knows exactly how he has been able to build Clemson into the team they are today. They would be gone tomorrow if the NCAA had the intestinal fortitude to investigate them for PED use and paying recruits to go there. 

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buckeye phi's picture

Good point, AZBuckeye13.  The problem is we'll never know how widespread the PED use at Clemson has been - because, as you say, the NCAA lacked the intestinal fortitude to actually investigate. 

As is so often the case, the unintended consequences of the NCAA's lack of action leaves us to assume the worst -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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The Sampo's picture

Completely random thought - does the picture of coach Day make him appear to be smoking a bent pipe?  I swear I've done 15 double takes.  My dad smoked a bent pipe when I was a kid.

There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.

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PapaJoe's picture

NOT STICKING TO SPORTS. Ex-Google worker fears 'killer robots' could cause mass atrocities... Streamer blames World of Warcraft for not cleaning in 14 years... Netflix is going all infor Seinfeld... A Florida couple had sex in back of a police car following a DUI arrest... 75-year-old Ohio man arrested for two cold case murders from the 1970s...

Click bait!   Kevin, you are mean.  

Do NOT click on that link.   Just awful.  

Buckeye Forever!

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