Threat Level Is Surprised That Michigan Football Even Bothered to Show Up This Season

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Meek's picture

I am interested in blue's threat level with Army coming to town next week.

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dschuetz11's picture

Army is a tough team!

Hats off to anyone who schedules Army!

Whew!

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johnblairgobucks's picture

When Michigan scheduled Army, back in 2015, Army finished the year 2-10. Just another way to look at it.

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LB U's picture

Army almost lost to Rice lol.. Rice is one of the worst teams in FBS.

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ShoeFits's picture

Trying not to read a ton into Week 1 but know Monken was not happy with their camp and vibe was team seemed to be reading too much of their hype.   Hopefully they had a mix of looking ahead and rust to shake off.

Definitely didn't help them to be without Connor Slomka in opener as well....he's the battering ram and sounds like he'll be back for Michigan.

Army's a long shot even if they blew out Rice, but if they can take the air out of the ball and force Michigan to score in their limited possessions, they'll have a similar recipe as what they used in taking OU to overtime last year.

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PhillyNut's picture

Maybe they were looking ahead to the match up with ttun but they did not look good against Rice.

Little remembered facts about Rice.  At one time they had the second largest stadium in the Southwest Conference (70,000). Stadium is still there and they use tarps to cover large parts of it bring the capacity down to 47,000 now yet they still only get around 20,000 per home game.  They actually had the 1974 Super Bowl at Rice Stadium.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Stadium is still there and they use tarps to cover large parts of it bring the capacity down to 47,000 now yet they still only get around 20,000 per home game

Miami is frantically digging through the yellow pages for stadium seat-tarp suppliers

Shandy is not beer

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I'll give Michigan it's due, early on. They have fantastic WR's in Black and Collins. I think DPJ is a bit over rated. Patterson isn't great, but he isn't Horrible either. If their new Tailback Carbonnet is legit, then he will provide an offensive puzzle piece Michigan has lacked since Mike Hart.
I'm surely guarded in fandom, and hoping Army beats them.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Mike Hart?.....never heard of her.

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TNT's picture

We left out that M!ch!g@n was trailing near the end of the first quarter. This wasn't a "let off the gas/call vanilla plays" as ours (hopefully) was.

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Snake64's picture

We got up 28-0 in the first 6 minutes of the game off the initial scripted plays. After we ran out of those we struggled for 54:00 minutes against a much lesser opponent than even MTSU. It wasn't "vanilla/ let off the gas" anything we just ran out of scripted plays and FAU changed their defensive scheme and Day never adjusted. If OSU was letting off the gas the starters wouldn't have been in the game late into the fourth quarter. Both wins were ugly. 

That and every one of Fields TD's were wide open so I see all the criticism about Shea's wide open TD's and none for Fields as if it's a bad thing guy are wide open because the scheme got them open? If you want to criticize Shea and congratulate Fields then you could mention how Fields hit his recievers in stride whereas Shea continually under throws the deep ball. His TD to Black was underthrown and he had to adjust while being wide open and even Collins TD that was contested was underthrown he had to come back to the ball before he jumped. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Your sssesment is not accurate, the play calling went very conservative (basic definition) of taking their foot off the gas. I’m more interested in what our defense does in the game vs Cincy, Kiffin showed opponents how to attack a zone/cover 3 defense, I’m hoping we turn some pressure up  and start getting help so Young can’t be double teamed 

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Snake64's picture

No i'm not wrong i watched the whole game I was very interested to see how Fields looked and i'll admit he was more impressive than I expected in the first few minutes largely to the scripted playcalling be awesome. Once the scripted calls were over and FAU adjusted to a different defensive scheme it stalled the offense for 3 1/2 quarters. Saying it was "conservative/vanilla" is mental gymnastics and you're lying to yourself. Even the announcers mentioned them changing their defensive tactic / they calmed down their nerves. 

But those first 6 minutes was definitely a factor of the initial scripted playcalling working perfectly. Next time out I hope it goes just as well and then the offense continues to adjust to bash opponents. Those of you who think OSU is "saving the playbook" are delusional the playbook is the playbook we see all season with minor wrinkles. it's how you adjust in game to what the other team is showing you.

As for Kiffin showing how to attack a very basic cover 3 zone defense... Cmon everyone knows how to attack that he didn't do anything special he simply adjusted his playcalling.  I believe i read somewhere that after the game he said they were not prepared for zone scheme and they had prepared for man to man. Once adjusted it was easy to move the ball as a zone is a bend don't break style.

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

You’re wrong and I watched the game, you either don’t know football or a TTUN troll. If you actually watched the game you would know the constant rub run calls , etc was extremely conservative, try another take, your just flat out wrong as to everyone knowing how to beat zone cover 3, I’ll bet you don’t even know there all multiple ways to attack that but having actually occurred is gold for us and having it on tape. Slither away snake 

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ballotboxco's picture

FWIW I do like the fact that they are working on the run game so early in the year, I am however disappointed in Dobbins a bit.  He just doesn't seem as fast as he did prior, I like Master Teague though he runs hard and was diving for those extra yards.  Personally though I think McCall is the better runner out of all of them.

Number one, win the rivalry game. And number two, win every game after that.

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Snake64's picture

You watched the game with TINTED glasses my friend. No need to get worked up, i just so happened to have watched it without as much fandom more realism. I find it interesting you think the gameplan went ultra conservative with rub runs and what not. Yet last season Day was the HC against a very bad Oregon State team in the opener and he did not "let off the gas / go vanilla on offense" as he dropped 77 points on them. If he didn't do it then why would he do it this game? see where your logic drops off? Day isn't the type to go vanilla or conservative. He wants to run his offense to precision at all times so I find your take as super homerism. Maybe i'm the one who knows quite a bit about football and you're just the homer. 

I love how every time i come on here with a realistic viewpoint i'm automatically accused of being a TTUN troll. It's honestly amusing. Yes i'm aware there are multiple ways to attack it. And if you're aware and i'm aware then every coach in college football is aware of it. Hence the four series it took for FAU to adjust then have very little issue sustaing long drives. 

Perhaps perspective will help you. As most of us are claiming OSU went conservative after the first quarter and then won "convincingly" 45-21 with "rub runs". Consider this for TTUN since most of us laughed at their ugly win. Yes they struggled with the new concepts that will take longer than a year to get into. Shea looked sloppy with the ball and the defense looked clueless. At the same time they won with nearly the same score while gifting the two td's before garbage time with short fields on a turnover. Other than that the defense didn't let them in scoring position until the last two minutes of the game. At the same point their offense went ultra conservative in the second half. First half they had like 13 rushing attempts. At the end of the game i think they finished with 45. thats 32 attempts in one half. I'm pretty sure thats the definition of conservative but most of us don't see it that way.

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Extramedium's picture

Except he does take his foot off the gas regularly.  He did it vs USC, he did vs Northwestern, he did it against Washington.  His first ever game vs Oregon State he did not, but that was the only one.

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Snake64's picture

Raleigh i'm not arguing with you about which team looks more physically talented and whose more likely to win THE GAME. Because that was fairly obvious even from the short burst in the first quarter. OSU is still explosive and Michigan just don't have the same talent level all over. But they both had ugly wins in slightly different ways. OSU did struggle after the first quarter and it's a fact. FAU calmed down and played even with them. Had OSU not jumped out 28-0 in 6 minutes this easily could've been a game and it's because Fields is raw and new to the system. 

Fields flat out is a more talented runner and passer than Shea and it's not that close. But he's got to get better at running the offense.

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dschuetz11's picture

If he were a Michigan troll, he would use good grammar, and spell correctly!

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Snake64's picture

Take off the tinted glasses and rewatch the game without bias and you'll understand what i'm saying. 

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Starburst Buckeye's picture

Considering FAU's 2 garbage TDs were scored against the 2nd string defense. The 4th quarter, Dobbins was out and Master Teague was getting carries. Fields was the only starter in there late into the game because Fields needs EXPERIENCE. However, on offensive particularly at WR, they are so loaded at the position that the 2nd and 3rd string WRs get rotated in from time to time so they appear to be started but are not an actual starter.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Snake, you have legitimacy in your posts. It’s all rainbows and unicorns around here. If you go against that narrative, you’ll be called wrong. Kind of goes with how our country is. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

The need to be "right" about something becomes more important than the topic discussed and we seem to lose the context that we are all on the forum discussing a sport being played by a team we love to watch. People get fired up in milliseconds about often times pretty petty particulars.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Not a comment directed at any particular poster on this site, just a general observation on the tone of our forums, on certain subjects, the past few years.

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Extramedium's picture

Not sure what disagreeing on a football website has to do with our country but I understand some need to bring politics into every single discussion.

that said he makes a point, but the implication that the "scripted plays" just happened to all work out perfectly, and that Day can't adjust to college football juggernaut FAU's defensive adjustments or that he never gets conservative with big leads is fairly ridiculous.  

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dschuetz11's picture

Michigan’s defensive line needs a charge and they miss Mattison!

Josh Gattis is brilliant and he will probably get wooed by other programs!

The two freshman offensive tackles played pretty well!

The second-string quarterback is a big threat all by himself!

Ambry Thomas, the “other” corner, is really good!

Middle Tennessee State is a good team and their quarterback played out of his head!

Michigan DOES have fumble problems!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

As soon as this guy said Gattis was brilliant, everyone should stop reading gifs post, either a TTUN fan or in a coma. Gattis has rode Morehead’s shadow, maybe he proves to be adequate but This statement is bad

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allinosu's picture

I was thinking the same thing about Gattis. There isn't enough data about him to know what he is. Right now it shows he learned enough from Morehead to put together the spread but nothing more showed Saturday than that.

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NHBuckeye's picture

I was thinking his post is a gag.  I mean, it has to be, right?

Fields of Dreams

 

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BuckIhateTTUN's picture
Quotes Judge Judy and says Gattis is brilliant.  The author's identity revealed...
 

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least, you need a beer." - Frank Zappa

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dschuetz11's picture

Here is Urban Meyer’s take on both Josh Gattis and Dylan McCaffrey:

https://twitter.com/michiganonbtn/status/1169743933389324289?s=12

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McGrind's picture

There are reasons Day is moving away from the QB run...frail QBs like Shea, Dcaff and JPass fumble when hit and eventually get hurt. Meanwhile 'genius' Gatis puts two in at the same time. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

The whole 2 QB thing is all Harbaugh. Frankly, what they did with Mccaffrey was just as dumb as when Peppers took direct snaps. It's not going to fool anyone especially if they're not gonna let Mccaffrey pass in those situations.

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dschuetz11's picture

But McCaffrey can run . . . just like his brother!

He also has an arm!

If teams play him to run only, they are fooling themselves!

The two-QBs-at-a-time thing is a total waste!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

~Judge Judy~

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rkylet83's picture

The bad news for Michigan is they are a veteran team on offense and they played sloppier than we did with a first time starter at QB and offensive line.  Defensively they will be good but they aren’t as good as they were last year...especially up front.  They’re a dangerous team but nowhere near the Cadillac of the B1G that they’ve been touted as.  If we improve over the season and stay healthy I think we’ll crush them again.  

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dschuetz11's picture

But, they implemented a new offense, 180-degrees opposite their former offense, with two second-string freshman offensive tackles!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Your use of exclamation points just makes me read all your comments as sarcastic. 

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Extramedium's picture

You are extremely insightful 

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Since there's no exclamation point, I can only assume you are serious. Thank you for the compliment.

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dschuetz11's picture

Dude, I have been on this site just as long as you have been.

I may not have as big a mouth as you, but I have been here just as long!

Would you like me to start correcting your grammar?

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

~Judge Judy~

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dschuetz11's picture

I am sorry!

Please forgive me.

I should not have said that.

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

~Judge Judy~

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

It's only 1 game. Patterson has to play better, especially on his deeper passes. I will say Vincent Gray who got alot of pub in the off season looked good at nickel corner. The interior D-line is a legit concern especially if Dwumfour is going to be out awhile. That and the lack of pressure from just the front 4 is something that needs to improve.

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Zone's picture

Middle Tenn appeared to match well with Michigan in the speed department considering Michigan's Moto is "speed in space". MT was attacking and for having a new offensive philosophy they seemed pretty prepared, especially out the gate.

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buckzilla1's picture

Threat level - Crabapple

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer

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Johnny Ginter's picture

krabapple?? aw I've been calling her crandall!!!! I look like an idiot!!

OSU56's picture

And the September Heisman candidate will be???

Threat Level- "Year for What"

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Desmond Howard Predicts Victory.  

Imagine that.   

Fields of Dreams

 

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Kugel's picture

To be honest, I am not sure how Desmond holds down that gig. And I am not just talking about him picking TTUN, he just isn't that good at his job.

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BUCKSOMIES's picture

Meh. Scum still sucks. 

Go Bucks. 

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Rico411's picture

Michigan Blows

" we play to win the game "

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allbucksallthetime's picture

I tend to watch those rotten-rat bastards throughout the year and always rooting for whomever they are playing.  I thought they looked good in their opener.  Their receivers, even without DPJ, are terrific, their O-line is improved, and they have a decent stable of young running backs.  Their D was untested.  It will be interesting as they work through the year to see how their D-line holds up.  Go Bucks!  Screw Blue!

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buckeyenation19's picture

TTUN loses to PSU, MSU, and of course OSU.

BUCKEYENATION19

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NHBuckeye's picture

They may lose to ND as well.  I’m not sure about MSU.  

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Snake64's picture

I don't get all the love for Mcaffery either. He looks afraid to throw the ball half the time. He might have a better arm than Shea but it's only an upgrade if he wants to use it. Every time i see him in he's quick to run. 

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I didn't see many plays for Mccaffrey that weren't designed runs. The reason I like him over Patterson is he has shown a willingness to stand in the pocket instead of bailing out. His arm and deep ball accuracy are better in my opinion. Harbaugh needs to scrap the stupid 2 QBs on the field at the same time, I say Harbaugh because he came out and said both will play so I'm assuming it's his silly idea just like Peppers getting direct snaps.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

At least they scheduled the Blue Raiders and not the Vols. Gotta help the SOS to appeal to the Gator Bowl reps.

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BucksLover0214's picture

lol, I had to log in to upvote this comment

They hate us cuz they aint us!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Brutus_Bully's picture

They didn't get better in the off-season and Gattis isn't the second coming of Christ so I don't know what all the hype is about. The culture that had questionable draft picks, let alone first days picks, skipping bowl games, hasn't changed.

I do not at all have the mind of a bully... in my mind bullies are intolerant of contrary opinion, domineering and rather cowardly.

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Bucks19's picture

It’s the first game. It’s called win and advance. We were outscored in 2nd half.  Right?

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aj99's picture

Yes. They're worse on paper this year, than they were last year. They're not healthy. I think they could lose 3-4 this year. I'm looking forward to the meltdown.

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BucksLover0214's picture

I didn’t see anything too impressive in their game 1.  In fact I’d say the threat level is low.  I’m thinking OSU, PSU, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame probably all beat them.  Then what will they do??

They hate us cuz they aint us!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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blu.fan's picture

It was a fairly meh game. However, a few things come to mind.

  • OL - Runyan, starting LT was out. When he returns, it will help a bit.
  • DT - probably worst position on the team. Jeter and Dwumfour were largely out. They should improve things a lot.
  • Receivers - DPJ out. They were fine without him, but he will make it that much harder for teams to defend Michigan.
  • This was the first week coming out of the stone ages and using some RPO. It already worked well.
  • I was worried about the secondary. With Thomas back, and freshman Vincent Gray playing very well, it looks like it will be ok.
  • Michigan is starting to build depth, but it still isn't like OSU.

I'm going to the Army game. It might be a nailbiter, but I think Michigan wins. If they win conclusively, that tells me something. We won't really know much until they play Wisconsin. To be totally honest, I won't feel like we know much until PSU and ND. Should Michigan make it through ND with no losses, I will finally get my hopes up a bit.

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Watched your game and your vastly overrated. Dwumfor may be out for the season now but eventually, his foot condition is only going to get worse. Your time in space was not impressive at all, you strongest strength is WR’s but that’s it when it comes to big boy football and your OL is very overrated, last years.@the game » our defense was awful but we still put Patterson running for his life and suddenly the media for some reason talked them up. Lot of football left but Wisconsin and Taylor will be a real test for you, Michigan State’s defense should also be interesting 

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blu.fan's picture

Don't know yet. I will be watching the DL closely. Right now, that looks like the achilles heel for the team.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Michigan dominated Wisconsin last year. I just don't see Wisky as some vastly improved team...Michigan will load up to stop the run and their passing game isn't talented enough to win. I could be wrong of course because Michigan has been a terrible road team.

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kiddbuckeye's picture

Appreciate your insight. My question to you does Jimmy stay patient if there are bumps in the road or does he scramble ?

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blu.fan's picture

Great question. We'd all like to know the answer. Can't tell anything against a game like Middle Tennessee. However, I think everyone realizes that there will be bumps in the road during the install of a new offense. It has to be a lot further down the road before Harbaugh interferes, and only if either Gattis is failing in some way, or if Harbaugh knows something Gattis does not. Still, we'll have to wait and see what happens against stiffer competition.

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NOBLUE's picture

just like the news media sounds like some of the Bucks fans are drinking the Bullshit Koolaid about the TTUN ...ahhh the power of the press.....

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Exactly No blue, media has to create some early suspense, shockingly is some Buckeye fans spouting or believing that bs 

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blu.fan's picture

Agree with you. Exhibit A:  last year. Michigan was put out there as a great defense . . . which TOSU then absolutely shredded and destroyed. Until Michigan fights even with the Buckeyes, I won't believe any hype about Michigan. And I'll never make a wager on them until they actually win more than once every 20 years.

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allinosu's picture

Blu, you're the one UM fan I feel sorry for. I  remember the frustration of the 90s but this is much worse. You remind me of the old saying 'find the crack'. In the darkness there is always a crack. That's how the light gets in. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

No allinOSU, never feel sorry for a TTUN fan, soon as , or if they beat us, he would be taunting us, smack talking and go back to his before helmets were even worn, leaders in all time wins. Keep wanting us to rip their arrogant, obnoxious fan base down forever, if you need to feel sorry for someone,feel sorry for Rutgers or Illinois fans

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allinosu's picture

Gotcha, but I didn't say it would ever end. He has the balls to come on here with respect and suffer torment does mean something.

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OSU56's picture

he would be taunting us, smack talking and go back to his before helmets were even worn, leaders in all time wins.

Yep-some of us remember a few shots taken late last year......…..

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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Buck-n-A's picture

Much like every year, their lack of speed on defense is not a problem against lesser teams with Don Brown's scheme to blitz blitz blitz. It felt like they blized every play. But just as last year, the problem comes from our line being able to give a clean pocket for 3 seconds. If a QB stays clean for 3 seconds and keeps their eyes down field, you can rip the Michigan defense.

Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.

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blu.fan's picture

Sad, for a Michigan fan, but I have to agree. DT's got little to no push against TOSU last year. Give a QB plenty of time and no pressure and Michigan's LB's and Secondary will be gashed all over again.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

If a QB stays clean for 3 seconds and keeps their eyes down field, you can rip the Michigan defense.

Or ANY defense. I dont care who you are, if you cant pressure the QB and give them 3+ sec to throw, your going to have a long day on defense.

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RonnyPBuckeye's picture

They'll most likely beat Army but they won't win in Madison in a few weeks...

Ronny P Buckeye

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

How did Draxton Hill, their Freshman safety, do?

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blu.fan's picture

Nothing stood out. I'm told that safety is a hard position for a freshman to master, and he will have to play a number of games to get up to speed and have any kind of mastery.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

It could have been 24-13 but it also could have been 40-7, MTSU got 2 TDs off the 2 lost fumbles.  Their defense should be stout.  There will certainly be a transition period as they get down the new offense.  This will be a watch and see process every week.

I came away down the middle - not "oh shit they looked real good, that game could be trouble" but also not "ha those guys looked like shit, will be an easy win up there in November".

Class of 2010.

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blu.fan's picture

Well put. I need to see more before I will really know anything about this team.

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bclautz's picture

-ichigan looked average. There second half of the season is very tough. They play Penn State away, Notre Dame at home, Sparty and then us

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Starburst Buckeye's picture

TTUN isn't much of a threat right now. With OSU's defense much improved with the new staff, TTUN is going to have a difficult time scoring on OSU.

It always seems impossible until it's done.
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Kugel's picture

I have a question....are any of you Buckeyes fans on the UM fan site? I have no interest, I just wondered since we have their fans in here.

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Most Buckeye fans tell me their mods ban us from their site, our mods apparently are too Nice lol 

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