Five Things: Fits and Starts

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

That penalty on Olave was complete and total bullshit.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Noahkat's picture

Yeah that was a little help for FAU from the refs.  

Not a lot of comments on our experienced receivers just straight up dropping at least 2 huge throws from Fields. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yes it was, didn't see any extension of the arm to push off at all.

Sani

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booj's picture

My favorite thing about football announcers is how they'll sometimes emphatically assert that something is happening while the video shows the exact opposite. Klatt was 100% certain there was extension on that call while the video showed a half a chicken-wing at most.

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Silver Sniper's picture

No idea how they had the gall to call that but not the late hit on Fields when he slid and especially the late hit on McCall after he was already down and the dude landed on his head. 

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

On replay, the receiver totally flopped to sell the push off. From my perspective, it looked like Olave beat him with his route and his reaction was to flop for a flag. Even if my perspective is off, refs should have swallowed their whistle considering they didn't do anything about the hit on fields.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Take off S&G glasses. Both announcers said it was a good call.  Every time there is full extension with the arms and you get space that is gonna get called.  Oh and bitching about calls is a Michigan thing to do.  Don’t believe, head over to that chess pool of a site and read up.

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Mantis's picture

Oh shutup.  It was a bad call.  Just because a couple announcers say something, doesn't always make it right.  You could make that same type of ticky tack call on literally every play if you wanted to.  

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You shut up.  I will post whatever I want.  You want to sound like an idiot homer, well, you be you.   

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GareBear's picture

That escalated quickly. 

Michigan sucks

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Not sure why you would tell someone you don’t know on a chat board to shut up.  And I get downvoted.  Luckily I don’t care about such things.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Really,lol,yet you say otherwise. Which is it?

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I don’t care.  Find the antics of some immature people on here amusing.

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Sanitarian2's picture

That's the point, I'll look again but I didn't catch any full extension of the arms. I saw the WR run into the DB and cut sideways, not throw an arm out and push off. Perhaps I had a bad angle and please don't rely on announcers that spend most of a game defending officiating. 

Sani

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Ok, we saw it differently, I can live with that.  Both announcers said they saw it too fwiw.  Have to wonder why he all of sudden popped open as the ball was arriving. I do agree with one poster who said this isn’t always called, and if that would have been his point I wouldn’t of had an objection at all.   But from my perspective, I saw the push off  and it was pretty obvious.  What throws some people I think is that it wasn’t all that forceful, but he extended his arms.  Agree to disagree I guess.

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balmerbuck's picture

Over here, just trying to visualize a chess pool ;)

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dschuetz11's picture

This may come as great relief to everyone, but Michigan really misses Greg Mattison!

Michigan’s defensive line did absolutely NOTHING for the first time since the Rich Rodriquez-era! 

No one talked about it, except for Matt Millen, but it was really sad to see!

A once-proud position group rendered ineffective!

Wow!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Couple of things, but they lost a lot of talent on their line and Jeter and Dwumfor (sp?) did not play yesterday.  But yeah, they are bitching about their DL, did nothing yesterday against a non P5 team.  Guess our fan base isn’t the only one panicking after about a 3 TD victory.  

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NHBuckeye's picture

I think the O-Line will gell in the next couple of weeks.  I’m sure the new starters learned a lot on the fly yesterday.   I’m rewatching the game now.  FAU has a couple of really good defenders up front.   They are quick.  

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I'm going to re-watch it later. I suspect that FAU has some talent sprinkled in there that, when combined with a good game plan by Kiffin inexperience up front for the Bucks, clogged up some running lanes. 

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Turban Meyer's picture

FAU sold out to stop the run and risked Fields to beat them via the air. He pretty much did, but when you're up 28-0 you're not going to chuck the ball all over the place so we went conservative running and didn't have the same advantage. 

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Huskerbuck's picture

I sincerely hope you are right.  My concern is we saw many of the same problems last year with more experienced players. . . like way too many penalties, breakdowns in the run blocking, etc.  It is time for coach Stud to step it up and prove he can get the O-line ready for each game.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Dud has underperformed since his time at BG, he isn’t changing.  Retaining Dud has been the biggest disappointment of the Day era.

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Chris Lauderback's picture

Lol dud. Simple yet descriptive.

SouthernTip's picture

Agreed. New first time head coach. New first time starting QB. New O-line. New defensive staff and scheme. We will see the biggest improvement from beginning of the season to end since '14. Some folks on here are panicking WAY too early.

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fritziebuck's picture

Let's be honest.  Our O-line hasn't gelled since the 2014 natty.   Since we brought Coach Stud on board, this OL has struggled.  We have a team full of 4-5 star OL recruits but continue to struggle on OL.   At what point do changes need to be made?   

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gobucks1966's picture

Agree but to fire another assistant coach would of been hard to do when the offense in my mind was the best in America. Oklahoma was by numbers but played against some terrible defenses. He also recruited pretty strong this year and lets see how it shakes out in a couple more games before we burn him to the steak. The 2014 was horrible too if you think back at the beginning and during the V tech game.

Denny

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buckeye phi's picture

After what we saw last year, you'd think the coaches would have the players more mindful of mental mistakes this season.  But it is still early, of course. 

We can't afford sloppy play against most of our upcoming opponents, though.  Beginning with Cincinnati -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Bearcats DLine is pretty solid. And Luke will have them up for this game. 

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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PRO8's picture

Delay of games are inexcusable ... especially for punt teams ... even when on Offense , I mean both have play clocks right in their faces and its the Shoe not some foreign stadium , but yet it seems to happen consistently. false starts are another one ... react to the ball .. guards and tackles are not that far away and its nearly in front of them, sure you see an occasional RB,WR go offsides but for some reason we have consistently OLINE being FSing  two or three times a game

on the plus side I think there was only one PI penalty   , that was a very nice change as it seemed like last year there were like 3 a game and sometimes more or about 3 per game avg

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Right now, in a very limited sample size, I think it's fair to say this is the most worrisome position group. 

This is my only real concern after yesterday's game. I was writing off the 2018 O line performance as a byproduct of effectively starting five tackles, but yesterday the run blocking didn't look as improved as I'd expected. Hopefully, they come out strong next week when the Bearcats come calling.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

When you have heavy turnover on the o-line, it takes time for players to gel, as more than any other group, they have to work together.  Mark my words, absent heavy injuries, this unit will be a strength by end of the year.  

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

My concern is that the O line was losing one on one match ups all day. There is no excuse when you have such a wide talent, size & strength gap. Dobbins was getting hit at or behind the line all day. At the same time pass blocking was excellent, Fields had all day to throw

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Although McCall did a nice job w returns, Master should be inserted at RB ahead at him, and sooner. JK is clearly #1; fine. But Master is a better compliment to his style than McCall. IMO. Maybe Weber’s biggest strength was between the Ts. Master too looked pretty damn good through there. Hits it fast, big, strong, physical....and hungry - it showed. 

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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SpringtuckyBuck's picture

I could be wrong but I felt at times that Coach Day was sprinkling things in as well as moving players in and out so not to wear anyone out.

They jumped out to the lead, knew FAU wasn't good enough to come back, and the rest was a glorified scrimmage. Next week won't be with the fighting Fickells.

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JTstan16's picture

I loved how he fell forward to pick up the extra 2-3 yards. He’s definitely RB2. McCall wasn’t bad, but we need a bruiser in there when JK is out. 

Also, Fields should’ve kept a few of the zone reads and gained 20+ yards. He’ll learn & once he does, RIP. BEAT UC!

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Ryder's picture

No he shouldn't have kept it on the zone reads after they were up 28pts.....unless of course you would like to see a different qb starting after his injury.

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

I agree that it's a good idea to limit the hits your QB takes when you're up 28. But if that's the plan, call some other running play, not a zone read. If you are determined to give it to the RB regardless of how the DE plays it, then it's effectively a zone no-read. Better to just run a straight hand-off or a toss.

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Ryder's picture

Yes and no.... remember the read play is part of their base offense they need to practice it since this was basically a scrimmage for them after the first 28pts you tell Fields to read it but not to keep it.

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Silver Sniper's picture

I really liked how Master looked a lot. 6.1 yards per carry was very nice. Crowley with 6.8 yards per carry in garbage time. 

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Bucky Buck's picture

Master looks like a wrecking ball.

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Buck Danger's picture

I agree. Master looks seriously legit. And according to the RB coach, Teague is both the biggest and the fastest in the running back room. Time to put the man to work.

“I’m so tired of flexing.”

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Buck Danger's picture

Great question, we’ll know after Cincinnati I think. Teague may be a beast in waiting. 

“I’m so tired of flexing.”

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Well, I said that w/o thinking. Meaning I’m certain the staff feels that way. But Master definitely looks the part. My kind of back. Like I posted elsewhere, he’s the closest thing we’ve had to another Beanie, since Beanie. Big, physical, downhill....love it. Bring on more touches!

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Absolutely.  By year’s end, if he stays healthy, will be in the conversation for best back in CFB.  Stop being a reactionary after one game.

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

He appeared to struggle mightily without the ball in his hands. He failed to pick up the free runner several times. A three year starter has to be able to better protect the QB. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I don’t disagree with that at all.  I was thinking rushing numbers but blitz pick and general pass protection important for a back.  Good post!!

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Have to look for ways to get JK going North-South more quickly. The jump cut that he uses so effectively at the second level is not effective two yards behind the line of scrimmage. FAU simply strung the plays out and the holes JK was finding were usually delayed and angled towards the sidelines.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Hope the coaches see it. And respond appropriately

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Berg2004's picture

Fields took some unnecessary shots yesterday from both him holding the ball too long and the o-line missing blitzes.

Cincy will throw everything at us so that and the running game need to get better in a hurry.

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Extramedium's picture

Fields needs to recognize the blitz and call them out/ change protections better.  I know that’s a product of his inexperience but hopefully they watch a lot of film this week.

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Berg2004's picture

Good point. It’s early still and they are still coming together as a unit.

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Is there a specific play you thought he should’ve changed the call? It makes sense but I’d like to see it.

Not all blitzes are identifiable pre-snap. Others appear to be pre snap blitzes but aren’t. Ultimately the line and RB need to adjust. 

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I am Kirok's picture

No complaints about Fields, he had a great debut. O line worriese greatly. Secondary depth is non existent, injury or two and we could be in trouble. A certain LB still looks slow but perhaps I've been spoiled with Lee, Shazier and the like.
I can see a loss coming at some point during the season (not you Michigan) unless the OLine improves greatly.

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Knarcisi's picture

I thought Borland played fine but found it curious that he was in on 3rd and long. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Your comment on OL depth is exactly wrong.  Day has said over and over we have more depth at OL than in at any other time in recent memory (at least I think it was Day, but I have heard this comment many times).  So unless you have info staff doesn’t have, I would stop spreading this b.s.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

Who commented about the OL depth?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I believe Day did in his presser notes last Tuesday.

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buckeye1964's picture

the offense was outscored over the final 3 quarters - and fields plays offense. yet, you aren't concerned about anything?

how about: 

- from the snap, he focuses on one receiver and doesn't look over the field for a seconary option.

- any time he had any pressure, he looked uncomfortable

-when he takes the snap - he tends to stand in place which leaves him much too close (around 3 yards) to the line and the pressure. most qbs take the snap and back up a little bit.

- multiple times he should have thrown the ball away yesteday  and didn't

his athleticism and talent is evident. but he better straighten out some of this sooner rather than later.

danny

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fritziebuck's picture

Agree with everything you said.  Unfortunately, you can't teach a QB to throw receivers open and step up in the pocket during the season.  Fields is a great athlete but learning to throw will determine his future as a QB.   If he wants to make a living playing QB, he'd better learn to feel pressure and step up in the pocket.   

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

The season is a marathon not a sprint. Ohio State showed a lot of good yesterday and I expect improvement this week. If we look the same in October then there is room for concern. I suspect we will see a nice curve of improvement.

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stlbuckeye15's picture

Loved the lack of penalties but yes, definitely agree O-line is biggest concern. Hope it’s mostly due to lack of starting experience/needing time to gel a little more but we will know a lot more after next game. Go Bucks!

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Srow_SpecialK's picture

That offensive PI on Olave killed any momentum we had... that wouldve made it 35-0 and the tone of the game would have been a lot different (it also was a terrible call). I'm not that concerned after game 1. The starting defense looked much improved. The offense showed flashes but we all knew there would be hiccups with a new qb and four new starters on the line. We saw how high the ceiling can be as well in that first quarter. Its game 1.... no need to panic

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Posterchild's picture

Offense looks good outside of the o-line, we definitely dialed it back a bit after the initial surge. I think the o-lines struggles can be chalked up to having 4 new starters, and hopefully they will get better as the weeks go by especially going into next weekend. The fumbles were unfortunate, ball security will always be a major point of emphasis.

Defensively, I don't believe there was much to be concerned about. FAU had 228 total yards offensively and averaged .7 yards per rush attempt and 5.2 yards per pass attempt. To me those are really good numbers. I don't think we will see as much zone going forward against better opponents.

We were penalized seven times, last year we averaged close to 8.3 penalties per game, hope to see more improvement there.

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ibuck's picture

We were penalized seven times, last year we averaged close to 8.3 penalties per game, hope to see more improvement there

Yep. Gotta cut down the errors, both mental & physical.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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CherryWine's picture

Borland and Werner still slow and small.  Can’t shed blocks. To slow in pursuit

on two point conversion Tuf was too slow to get to QB unblock. Baron would’ve gotten there 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

To me it’s a wait and see this season. Meaning w the new coaches there’s a learning curve. But also if 32 and 20 in particular aren’t getting it done, Washington needs to pull the trigger. Right now 39 is the only quality LB we have. Baron, Teradja, Pope, and Dallas, should all get their chance if there’s not continued upside performances. 

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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Buck Danger's picture

I made the same point on another article. Borland couldn’t reach the QB and the QB knew it. 

“I’m so tired of flexing.”

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gobucks2110's picture

Werner had a great game yesterday. Hopefully you saw what the TEs did to us in the second half when the second group was in there

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

I haven't been against tuff and Werner starting but Browning was making plays all over the field so he earned more playing time in my uneducated opinion.

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Bringthejuice's picture

I’d love to be able to look back over the season and say “Wow Coach Stud really did a phenomenal job developing the guys in his group this year”

IF that happens...we may be in for a fun ride

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

He has 2 Remington winners and multiple all Americans to his credit so I am confident he can get the group playing as a dominant unit. My theory is the guys are thinking too much causing them to be a 1/2 step too slow which should improve with time. They just need to get mean and nasty.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Assuming the running defense is as tough as it appeared, Cincinnati will have trouble scoring points against this defense.

Sani

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GV9's picture

Looked like we took we let up on offense after the explosive opening.  Would've been great to get near 40 early on so that we could've given Chug & Hoak a bunch of real game experience in the 2nd half while also protecting Fields.  As it stands now, if Fields goes down with anything serious we are done this year.   One can say we're probably done even if Chug & Hoak get experience but it's 100% if they don't get in some games.  

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Extramedium's picture

We need Fields accruing real game time experience infinitely more than Hoak or Chug.  If one of them is starting for us, it’s not going to help if they had some garbage time vs FAU.  We’re screwed regardless.

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GV9's picture

Playing Fields for whole games also increases the odds he gets injured.  Of course if it's close he stays in, but it would be great to get him out sooner when possible.  

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

So much this. Thinking about when you can get your second unit in (and watching the scoreboard in the process) is a bad habit for both the team and fans. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Five things: all five of Justin fields TDs!

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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DP71's picture

Overall, it was an excellent first game for a very young offense. Perhaps Miller or Jones should get a shot at left guard. But pretty good. We have to let Fields pick his spots to run cause if he gets hurt, we are in real trouble. Applaud Day and the staff for getting lots of guys some playing time. Jackson deserves more playing time on DL and Proctor at Safety.  LBs again did not play up to their abilities, but not bad, and Harrison was exceptional. Very concerned about Cincinnati.

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khardy's picture

Cincy has no Qb (no passing game) a good running game, one Dim football will be a disaster against OSU D.

Bucks 49 Cincy 14

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andretolstoy's picture

Cincy has no QB or passing game?

Man, I hope our coaches don’t share this sentiment because as well as they played there are still plenty of spots our D can be exploited at this point. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Bucky Buck's picture

Does anyone know why Drue moves around so much pre-snap? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a punter do that before.

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Interrobanged's picture

Almost looks like he is trying to slide to the side opposite of where the defensive rush will be.

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GV9's picture

I only saw him slide right.  I figured he's more comfortable punting from that side of center.  Did he go left also?  

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AnnArborsBuckeye's picture

He slid left one time. I've never seen a punter do that before.

Get dumped then

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

At least Hamilton's roughing the passer didn't involve a cartwheel! Five plays to avoid!

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ScarletGray43157's picture

 the punt team was flagged for delay of game

I was thinking that this would be Tressel's Least Favorite.   

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NOBLUE's picture

seems like every year we're breaking in a new O line ....if this shit continues OSU's in trouble...as the Oline goes so the team goes....

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dschuetz11's picture

The O-line played beautifully!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the O-line!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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fear_the_nut70's picture

The only time I saw o-line getting overwhelmed was when fau brought extra defenders.  Hell , Teague averaged over 6 yards a carry and Dobbins was around a 100 yards rushing (he did have a lot of carries).  It was the first game with basically 4 new starters.  I swear, some people just need to bitch and moan about something. 

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dschuetz11's picture

Fickell has played Mattison before, when Mattison was at Michigan, and Fickell was at OSU!

Mattison, if he were coaching against OSU, would try to stop Dobbins’ and Fields’ running, and dare Fields to beat them with his arm!

This MAY be what Fickell does!

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Mantis's picture

I'd be completely fine with that to be honest.  The times when our offense stalled was when we tried to force the run.  We were pretty much breaking them down in the passing game at will.  There's just too much talent to cover with our WRs, TEs, and RBs catching passes all over the field.  

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ROCKER99999's picture

Without question, the running game needs a "power/smash mouth" element that Dobbins does not have.  I saw it with MASTER TEAGUE and CROWLEY.  THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL - you will not win the BIG TEN without a power running game! Come November, I can assure you - a potent, power running element is absolutely essential to winning.
 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Meh, this isn’t 1972 and 3 yards and a cloud of dust.  You win with high ypc averages, doesn’t matter how you get them.  I didn’t hear any of these concerns in  JK’s first season, and he had 20 lbs less muscle.  Nothing to see here folks.

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buckeye phi's picture

I agree that Teague looked very good in limited action.  Stronger and perhaps a little more decisive than Dobbins or McCall.  But I feel I should point out one common little misconception. 

When it comes to the running game, the word "power" is in reference to the presence of a lead blocker - not the running style (or size and/or strength) of the running back himself.  Again - a very common misconception. 

For example, when we pull a guard to lead the running back through the whole - or lead the play with a flexed tight end - - that's what is meant by the word "power", offensively.  In fact, originally, UFM's revolutionary offense (for its time) was actually called "spread to run power".  That was definitely not in reference to the kind of RBs he was using at Bowling Green, Utah and Florida.

From what I saw on Saturday, there was no difference in the type of plays called for Teague vs Dobbins or McCall.  As I recall, some were power - but most were not.  But again - I agree - Teague looked very good in limited action - regardless of the play called.

Hey - I don't want to come across as some sort of know-it-all.  But I though you might want to know -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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buckslan's picture

We won the big ten last year without a power running game, so..

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fritziebuck's picture

Rocker - In case you didn't know, we're recruiting a 2020 RB that's 5'10, 175lbs, Henry Parish.  Doesn't look like the staff is dedicated to recruiting big backs.  I guess we'll try to run Dobbins/McCall type backs between tackles.  This will be our philosophy going forward.  What's the definition of insanity?      

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Not sure if the second half o line were starters or not, I saw no holes open for Dobbins and Fields had to run for his life. Patience. Oh that’s right, Cincinnati is coming to town...ok then#GoBucks

Nikki emmerson

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kiester's picture

Master and Jashon. Wasnt expecting it going into this game, but I really cant wait to see more of these two dudes the rest of the year. 

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YtownBucks88's picture

My 5 Things

1 Loved the zip I saw from Justin fields.  Also didn’t have any overthrown balls to wide open receivers. Thumbs up

2 Chris Olave might just be the second coming of santonio Holmes.. deceptive speed, smooth clean routes and catches with his hands.

3 Chase young is a Monster

4 Secondary was extremely aggressive when going to tackles... thumbs up

5 Since we can line up under center again I would love some I-formation jk Dobbins run plays.  

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CptMorgan's picture

Check out my reaction to the game and other OSU content...let me know what you think...would love to see other reactions too?  I don't know why I couldn't find any others!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkUI6YXWwk 

Stay Spicy my friends!

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RADRACING's picture

You should have bothered to watch the game instead of eating you fancy food in the press box. The first pass was a 5 yard pass to the tight end to the left side, not "25 yard pass down the middle of the field" Also there were 3 drops, haven't seen that many out of OSU in I don't know howlong. Drops are a Michigan thing not OSU, be,tter get that corrected! A precurser is in order if you wanted to say touchdown "toss" instead of first!

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