Coach Luke "Defense" Fickell

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LCT's picture

I wonder if the Buckeyes didn't miss out on Michael Warren. That dude's a Football Player.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

He was the best player on the field last night.  He'd definitely look good in S&G but its hard to call him a miss given we took Dobbins instead.

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fritziebuck's picture

Ohio has a tendency to produce great running backs that are undervalued by recruiting services.   Kareem Hunt is an example.  The guy was the best running back in the NFL, before the incident.   Michael Warren is another great back produced from the state, undervalued by recruiting services.   

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Fickell is one of the best AC's OSU has ever had.  If for some reason Ryan Day doesn't coach here for the next 20 years, hopefully Fickell is #1 on his successor list.

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gumtape's picture

Ryan Day will be coaching on Sundays very soon. He has the background and as long as his offense keeps rolling Gene Smith needs to be on the lookout for replacements.

So glad we didn't end up with Jon Gruden.

High and tight boo boo

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I fear you are correct.

A freaking Men on Gruden.  Watching him on Hard Knocks is painful.  Frank C is a better Gruden than Jon Gruden is.

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Keze's picture

Urban is just waiting for Day to move on. No need to be on any lookout for a coach.

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Zonabuck's picture

I think the “Urban will come back once Drake is gone” is a pretty decent joke, but he also said he wouldn’t say the word “Michigan” as an analyst on Fox. We’ll see if he tempers that a bit over time, but it does make me wonder if the door is being held open. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Folks keep complaining about Drake. I'm not sure if Meyer actually has a gripe against Drake, but if this is the case, then I'd have him and some of our Drake poo poo'ers talk to Arizona State fans about their school president Michael Crow, along with the PAC12 Comish.

Crow has personally kept ASU football under performing since 2002 when there is no reason for it. Imagine having a president that long?? Coupled with the fact that the PAC12 comish is paid more than any other league commissioner and has consistently under performed as a league leader. All of the school presidents support the commissioner and the level of corruption that happens there. 

No, the grass isn't greener on the other side. And the Big Ten along with TheOhioState is blessed to have everyone they have. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Dstacify's picture

I think the text messages recently released (which included a lot of communication between Meyer and Drake) show that the beef between those two is highly manufactured by the OSU fandom to push a narrative that isn't necessarily accurate (yes we're as guilty of that as ESPN is at times). At the very least they appear to have a respectful and civil relationship.

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semperfibuck's picture

If you “don’t know” if Urban has a gripe with Drake, then you don’t understand what happened.  Drake should not be retained, and the Urban situation is just one among many more important reasons. Drake is literally a dope.

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Bukirob's picture

What?!!!!   Drake is a f'king TOOOL.   It was and is 100% industrial-grade horse manure and straight-up cowardice by Drake.  Meyer only fault in that entire story was he was too loyal to Earl Bruce when it came to His grandson.  Meyer, nor can ANY head coach, do an external "investigation" and in particular, if the police are involved as such action would be grounds to be charged by the police with interfering with an official police investigation.  If the police have declined to prosecute and you terminate or suspend a coach then you are opening yourself up to a SLAM DUNK lawsuit.  The coup-de-gras was when the TRUSTEE'S of the university RECOMMENDED to NOT suspend Meyer and Drake the coward tool that he is decided ON HIS OWN, to suspend Meyer.  I LOATH this weak, pvssified, PC wimp, feckless "leader"

You WIN with people.

 

 

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fritziebuck's picture

Urban will never be OSU's coach again.  Just not happening.   

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okiebuck's picture

I don't know Gumtape; I was texting my brother last night about this very thing; he too thinks RD will be heading to the NFL in near future. My counter to this is that his wife and young family really seem to like Columbus, and he's the CEO. In the NFL, you have the G.M. and the ownership to answer too. Plus the whole happy wife, happy life thing. I may have my scarlet & gray glasses on but.....
 

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

I’m not sure how much “happy wife happy life” applies to coaching. Coaches wives are just different. They deal with the constant moving around and never seeing their husbands a lot. It’s part of the job. If Day wants to go to the nfl, I doubt his wife will stand in his way.

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Beaver's picture

Yeah, another 6-7 season. Luke is proving to be a better match for the Bearcats. Neither of those teams could be successful in the top of the Big10. It was great watching Cinci take out UCLA. What has happened to that program over the years?

Karl sherrick

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polarbuck's picture

If UCLA had any kind of offense that game would have turned out differently. That is the worst Chip Kelly offense I have ever seen. After watching that game, the athletes that OSU will put on the field next Saturday are far superior to what UC faced last night.

You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink

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CincyBuck's picture

If UCLA had any kind of offense that game would have turned out differently. That is the worst Chip Kelly offense I have ever seen.

Right?  It was pretty shocking.  They literally couldn't execute basic runs, RPOs, etc.  When the throw was more than 10 yards downfield, it was, basically, a hail mary.  

Though Fickell's defense played well.  And UC's offense was a bit better than I thought it'd be -- especially the QB's ability to push the ball downfield.

All that said, I saw nothing last night that worries me for next weekend.  

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

When the throw was more than 10 yards downfield, it was, basically, a hail mary.  

Their Bishop Gorman QB definitely throws just like ours used to.

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741's picture

UCLA's qb handed the ball over to UC without having a finger laid on him two times inside the 10 yard line. Those turnovers were totally unforced errors. That was the difference in the ballgame.

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PRO8's picture

This^  the UCLA QB was really bad last night  and it hurt a lot ... add that their top RB was out and things could not have gotten much better for Cincy ...

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AZBUCKFAN's picture

UCLA is terrible...period. UC mistakes kept that game from being a total blowout. I will admit, UC should probably have awarded a game ball to the UCLA QB...he was horrible (and not just for the fumbles!) There were some UCLA fans griping about the officials until I pointed out it was a PAC-12 officiating crew calling the game. UCLA is very young and was without some players, but still...they were horrible. here comes another 3-9 season and Kelly's swan song in Westwood.

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Northbrook's picture

The problem with UCLA is the QB. Small hands. Smells of cabbage.

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

Lol. Carnies.

"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I was glad to see Fickell get the win last night.  I found myself cheering more and more as the game progressed.  However, it's a tough spot to be in as a Buckeye fan.  The match-up next week aside, I want to root for Fickell to continue to build and do well.  However, UC fans have a very weird thing toward OSU and their fans where they can't stand them....and I just don't get it.  Like I'm not going to hate on UC at all outside of the few times per decade we see them across multiple sports, so get over the little brother complex.

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LCT's picture

Same here. All of it.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

However, UC fans have a very weird thing toward OSU and their fans where they can't stand them....and I just don't get it. 

The irony of this is they are cheering for a Buckeye every time their team plays.  They got their best 2 coaches from Columbus yet still want to pretend they don't like us.  Its actually pretty funny.

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analyticalguy's picture

I kind of hope UC shows up and makes it competituve in the first half, with the Buckeyes pulling away in the second. That should help the perception of both Luke/UC and Ohio State for the postseason. But I could live with a blowout (in the right direction of course)

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I don't want it competitive at all.  Blow them out like everyone else.  Let them win the rest of their games for perceptions sake.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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CincyBuck's picture

However, UC fans have a very weird thing toward OSU and their fans where they can't stand them....and I just don't get it.

Two thoughts: (1) OSU fans were named the worst in the country, so it isn't just UC fans that are annoyed by them; (2) I think the "weird thing" people are referring to in this argument is that UC fans want their team to beat OSU -- which, if I'm being honest, isn't very weird.  

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

There is a straight up hatred there though for UC fans (the UC fans that aren't both Buckeye and UC fans...that's a whole different group of people).  Not a "hey we polled America and OSU fans were named the most hated in the country".  Like a real, "Eff OSU, all of them".  Like it's on a Michigan level.  Which is weird.  It just is.  OSU has played UC 13 times in history.  Only 5 times in the past centry (almost).  Get over it.  UC is a small market school.  OSU is a big market school.  It's comparing apples and oranges.  In basketball, up until last year and this year, they hadn't played since freaking 1921!

It's weird.  There is no getting around it.  However, I'll root for them because of Fickell and Freeman.

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buckme's picture

OSU played UC in the National championship game in 1961 and beat them to win the NCAA title. 

Head north till you smell it, west until you step in it

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cledaybuck's picture

In basketball, up until last year and this year, they hadn't played since freaking 1921!

The played in both the 61 and 62 NCAA championship games, which OSU lost both.  The also played in the 2006 Wooden Classic in Indianapolis and the 2012 Sweet Sixteen, both won by OSU.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I'm talking more regular season on a campus.  If that's the case, Iowa State is now our basketball rival.

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CincyBuck's picture

There is no getting around it.

I mean, but there is.  I live and work in Cincinnati.  I've met...  maybe a handful over the last few decades that hate OSU.  TBH, Cincy is pretty apathetic to college football in general for a city its size.  If I asked 10 UC alum who they play next weekend, I'd be surprised if more than 2-3 could tell me.

I've met far more fans from pretty much every other school in the country who despise OSU -- e.g., the entire SEC, Clemson (and, by extension, the entire ACC), the vast majority of the B1G, the vast majority of the Pac-12 (for us having beat Oregon, USC, etc.), the entire Big-12 (because, well, they got screwed in 2014), most FCS teams, probably some English soccer fans, etc.

I swear, most times I question someone about this -- the alleged "hatred of OSU" by UC fans -- it boils down to UC fans having the nerve to cheer for the school that they attend(ed) and not automatically accept OSU as the winner before the game starts.  Which is...  an absurd position. 

And, most likely, a good example of why most people hate OSU fans...

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collards's picture

I am from Cincy and like the bearcats, but love the Buckeyes. I hate it when they play, but I always root for the bucks. Every other UC game, I root for them.

Collards

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Snake64's picture

People don't hate OSU fans because OSU wins a lot. There's a hell of a lot more to it and the fans that boil it down to "they hate us cuz they ain't us" are the most delusional. Very few people hate another fan base because they win all the time that's just mental gymnastics to make ourselves feel good. 

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theopulas's picture

The Yankees.... people 21 years old, who never been to NY, that doesn't even watch BB until the playoffs, and don't have a favorite team, still hate the Yankees...

Theopulas

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LawClub's picture

I've lived in Cincy my whole life and the vast majority of their football fans have a B1G complex about OSU. Average UC alum, maybe not. Fans, definitely.

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

This is my experience as well. My company does a bunch of work in Cincy. We hire UC grads all the time because they have a really good engineering program. To a man they have this enormous inferiority complex about OSU sports. These are highly educated well compensated professionals, not a bunch of deadbeats with nothing going for them. I truly dont get it.

"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."

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CincyBuck's picture

TBH, this sounds like nonsense.  I haven’t met a single UC FOOTBALL fan that isn’t an alum.  There is no “complex.”  They largely don’t give a shit about the team in general.  

 I suspect this is more of the same.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Baloney.

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CincyBuck's picture

I’m sure your opinion on UC fans is well founded as someone being in Columbus from Columbus.  I’m certain it isn’t based on stereotypical tropes from a pro-OSU website that lack any basis in actual, empirical facts.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Empirical fact about perceived dickishness of UC fans? Right. Because with these kinds of opinions, there is always a Reuters poll which can give us empirical facts. Why the hwll are you even here if you think OSU fans are hated universe wide?

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CincyBuck's picture

Why the hwll are you even here if you think OSU fans are hated universe wide?

I mean, as a vehement Buckeye fan, I'd like it if we'd stop being overly obnoxious (and/or borderline violent) to opposing fans and stop forming incredibly overbroad assumptions without any supporting evidence whatsoever.  I'd prefer to leave that to the fanbases of UM, the Patriots, etc. 

But I get that not everyone feels that way.  Fair enough.  

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Chic'sGhost's picture

That's the old taking the opponent's complaint and turning it around trick used in politics.  

UC fans generally hate OSU.  My identifying UC hate is me being obnoxious and/or borderline violent to opposing fans?????  

Uh, no.  I love UC, the campus and sports teams (and the city and the Reds.)  I am not being obnoxious in any way.    

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CincyBuck's picture

It's similarly odd you focusing on one half of a sentence and ignoring the other half so that it fits your argument.  Your statements about UC fans would fall under the "incredibly overbroad assumptions without any supporting evidence whatsoever" part of my statement.

But it's fine.  People will believe what they believe.  I've interacted with countless UC fans over the past week or two and not one has even mentioned the game, nor has any of them had anything to say when I brought it up.  But most OSU fans will remain convinced that this apathetic fanbase is somehow "delusional," "wannabes," "haters," or whatever else.  Trying to convince them otherwise is like arguing with a Flat Earther.

As to the overly obnoxious and/or borderline violent statement, I'm not referring to you.  I was responding to your more general statement about OSU fans being hated.  See the dude's comment, below, about his wife being called a c&nt, whore, etc. just for wearing an opposing team's jersey.  That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.  I think our fanbase is rightly criticized for that kind of stuff.  

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Triv's picture

 I think our fanbase is rightly criticized for that kind of stuff.  

Every single fanbase in the NCAA has people like this (yes, even UC!). It's what we like to call the "vocal minority" and because OSU happens to have one of the largest fanbases in the nation, our minority of fans (that the vast, vast majority of fans also hate) have a few more members than most other fanbases.

It doesn't excuse it at all, but please stop pretending like OSU is the only place opposing fans get treated poorly lmao. In the B1G alone, the OSU band has had bags of piss thrown on them, and players from a school had batteries thrown at them in the recent past.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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NativeSon's picture

It ended turning physical when someone was screaming  O-H in her face and she politely reminded them that Cincinnati, is in fact, part of Ohio... which after my years of lurking on here and finally joining 11W I can see it’s very hard concept for people to wrap their heads around. Anyways, I had to box them out until they left us alone. Then they came running up screaming at us 10 minutes later and I had to hip check them, box them out, and after a nice slap to the face had to restrain them with the threat of “hit me again and I’ll wreck you.” Then their friends decided “hey maybe we should go get them before this gets more serious.”

Idk if it was extreme intoxication (probably) or mental health issues but they would not drop it so we ended walking around until the end of the game, met up with friends but then decided to drive back to Cincinnati. I know that it wasn’t a majority of fans but it was enough for me to not return for a game until last year.

I was embarrassed for OSU’s fan base, I’m cool with some good natured shit talking but like it never ended until we left. We were both in UC shirts with a large group of UC student partying off campus that Friday night and everyone just said good luck tomorrow and hopefully no one gets hurt. So idk if it was also a student vs non-student/alumni issue during the game itself. It also could have been the later kick gave people more time to drink.  None of it was excusable though. I know my wife had no opinion of OSU but she’s defiantly not a fan now.

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NativeSon's picture

I also realize that this is in no way empirical and is completely anecdotal, I could have just happened to encounter every shitty OSU fan in Columbus that day. It just saddened me as someone who was a fan of OSU before they knew Cincinnati was a city to see someone, much less my wife, treated that way for nothing more than she was wearing a UC jersey because that’s where she decided to attend college. I went to two games last year and went out of my way to wish opposing  fans well just incase they encountered anything like this. 

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Smitty516's picture

Cincy, it sounds like things are different down in the Queen City than up here in Columbus. There are several people from my high school that went to UC and have come back only to be rather obnoxious about how their program is almost on the same level as Ohio State. Definitely not all, some are still more Buckeye than Bearcat fans even though they went to UC. I’ve also encountered obnoxious UC fans from Cincy that have moved up here that have the same inferiority complex. While we all have different experiences, I guess I could point to Cincinnati sports radio. I’m a Bengals and Reds fan and listen to a lot of WLW. It isn’t all Ohio State hate, but there are times when I can sense annoyance towards Ohio State that usually isn’t seen throughout the rest of Ohio. I guess the best specific example I can give you is former UC basketball coach Mick Cronin. Go back and listen to how he talks about Ohio State and this attitude is what many of us are referring to.

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CincyBuck's picture

I guess I could point to Cincinnati sports radio. I’m a Bengals and Reds fan and listen to a lot of WLW. It isn’t all Ohio State hate, but there are times when I can sense annoyance towards Ohio State that usually isn’t seen throughout the rest of Ohio.

I think this was definitely a thing in the past -- if it isn't still.  I like listening to WLW for the pro sports stuff.  But the station's personalities are pretty insufferable outside of that.  Heck, they have issues between different parts of town. 

It's getting better, though.  The article this week from Doc -- on the OSU/UC game -- didn't include a single swipe at OSU, and, if I'm being honest, he's one of the guys who'd be most likely to do so to stir the pot.  The guy writes as if it's 1930.

guess the best specific example I can give you is former UC basketball coach Mick Cronin. Go back and listen to how he talks about Ohio State and this attitude is what many of us are referring to.

I can't say I know specifically what you're referring to.  But I fully believe you're right.  I think basketball is a completely different situation.  As opposed to football, UC's been pretty darn legit in basketball for quite some time.  If they aren't our equals -- or even superiors -- in recent history, they're darn close.  

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Cincy doesnt hate OSU because its fans are annoying. That's a red herring. They hate OSU because they are successful and have a chip on their shoulder about OSU hogging the spotlight.

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NativeSon's picture

As an OSU fan that walked around cbus in 2014 with my wife while she wore a UC jersey an witnessed her be called a bitch/whore/cunt more times than we can count, I personally attest to the how annoying a small amount of OSU fans can be and can see why other fan bases might not like us.

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Beaver's picture

It is very weird if they actually think they will win. Those two teams were not 11 game winners.

Karl sherrick

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Tough spot?  Not for me. Buckeyes always, regardless of ex-Buckeyes on the opposite of the field.  

I like the UC program and always root for the Bearcats, regardless of the prevalent anti-OSU sentiment in Cincinnati. 

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Cube Farmer's picture

The anti-OSU feelings in Cincinnati are real and nothing new.  I grew up in Cincinnati and went to UC - I simply hated OSU and that was the feelings of most everyone in the area.  The OSU and UC fan was typically an idiot who just wanted to see a fun game i.e not really a fan.

What changed for me? I moved to Columbus 27 years ago and now work at OSU.  I can appreciate both sides of the hatred.  UC is a massive university with world-class research yet is constantly #2 in it's own state thanks to the even more impressive and massive OSU.  So there is a little chip on the shoulder always.  Also, UC fans also hate UK, UL, and Indiana to the same level of OSU - each is within 2 hours and filled with jackwagon fans.  OSU fans in Cincinnati are like Michigan fans in Columbus - you know they exist but question why?  Seriously OSU got zero coverage in Cincinnati even in teh early 90s when I left.

The State of Cincinnati is a recruiting gimic but it's a real attitude.  Stretch 270 out to twice its size and include Delaware, Marysville, and almost to London in the loop with suburbs instead of housing and then place 4 big schools 2 hours in each direction as possible rivals.  

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Interesting.  And thanks for the explanation.  I guess this makes sense and explains their reasoning.  But OSU has never considered UC as a rival, and neither should UC...there just hasn't been a history of games to put it into "rival" territory.  

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Dstacify's picture

I understand their approach to OSU (they probably get weary of being treated like the Little Brother school of the state constantly). But any Cincy native who really questions WHY there are OSU fans around Cincinnati I immediately question said person's intelligence for thinking that. Last I checked Cincinnati is part of the state of Ohio and OSU has a large and far-reaching fanbase that extends outside of the Ohio borders. OF COURSE there are OSU fans in Cincinnati, that's to be expected based on location alone.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

There isn't both sides to the hatred. OSU fans don't hate UC. To me it always looked like an inferiority complex. Cincy isn't a major US city, but they could mask that by looking down on Columbus and OSU.
Meh. I love Cincinnati, UC and the Reds. Why Hamilton county has such venom for Franklin county says more about our Southern brothers than us here in Buckeyetown.

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LawClub's picture

You're right about UC and the inferiority complex regarding OSU but not Cincinnati.

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Cincity Buck's picture

Things have definitely changed in the last 27 years. I do know some OSU haters in Cincinnati and every single one of them is over 50 years old. I talk OSU football with guys at work, the gym, neighbors, all Buckeye fans. These are people 20’s - 60’s.  Very few anti-OSU people that I interact with that weren’t around in the 1960’s when UC basketball was relevant. In fact, when I have asked why they hate on OSU they say it’s because Ohio State refuses to play UC in basketball.

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PhillyNut's picture

They definitely have that little brother feeling. I remember when they had that one good year when they made a New Years Day bowl and they thought that Cincinnati had replaced the Buckeyes as the top team in Ohio. Almost more delusional than ttun fans. Almost.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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collards's picture

In the spirit of fairness UC sees itself as a little brother without respect despite beating the Buckeyes in back to back NCAA basketball championship games. That is a major reason. There is only one way to earn respect in football,although UC has played the Bucks tough before especially in 2001 I think. It was a game saving interception in the end zone. That was a good year for the bucks. 

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andretolstoy's picture

That game was ridiculous. It was one of the few really frustrating Tressel coached games that should not have ended that way. 

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cledaybuck's picture

It was like two completely different teams that year. The one where Clarrett played and the one where he didn’t. Obviously, that was one of the games where he didn’t.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Good lord, basketball games that happened 57 and 58 years ago are irrelevant. That evidently is UCs biggest thing ever, and OSU has had dozens of best things ever in those 57 years. Let it go.

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Spartan13's picture

He is going to be really good at Michigan State. 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

At the pace he's going, programs bigger than MSU will come a callin'.

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Wouldn't be surprised if a South Bend area code starts popping up on his phone later this year.

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741's picture

Is that where the Pizza Boy moved?

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collards's picture

He is a very strong catholic.

Collards

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gobucks544's picture

Mich ST is already great at defense. Their problem is Michigan is better not so recruiting got tougher.  Q is can Fick out recruit Kentucky, and Michigan for Ohio Players.

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oprettyricky's picture

That Michael Warren fumble with 3 or 4 minutes left in the game that UCLA housed, but the refs said the runner was down, kind of changed that game. Would have been interesting to see how that panned out. I thought it was a fumble, even with replay (and I was rooting for Cinci too) with clear recovery. 

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FeedZeke420's picture

ya I thought they were going to go with no evidence to overturn and stay with the call on the field. I was pretty shocked to see it overturned. There wasn't a good angle to get a definite answer, and to be honest from what I could see it looked like the ball was coming loose before his arm and elbow were down.

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oprettyricky's picture

the ruling on the field was that the runner was down. The refs very faintly blew the play dead. after review, the call stood. I agree though, the ball was definitely out before his elbow or forearm hit the ground. 

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FeedZeke420's picture

my bad I had it on mute, I just assumed since the guy ran into the endzone they didn't blow the whistle

Go Bucks!

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CincyBuck's picture

I thought it was a fumble, even with replay (and I was rooting for Cinci too) with clear recovery.

Yeah...  I'm about 98% sure that was a fumble.  UC was fortunate the camera angles were all bad.  That would've made things interesting...

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BUCKfutter's picture

i think chip kelly's offense is a lot like greg schiano's defense. when you have elite first-rounders running it, it looks great. when you don't, it looks like ucla's offense did last night, and our defense did last year.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

when you have elite first-rounders running it, it looks great. 

Has Chip ever had that?  I think its more like Urban Meyer's offense, there was a time when it was fresh and unstoppable.  That time has passed though.

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CincyBuck's picture

Has Chip ever had that?

Yeah...  I feel like almost all of Kelly's offenses at Oregon were composed of lesser recruited guys -- who just happened to run 4 flat 40s. 

Agreed that Kelly's innovations have now become stale.  Though, to be fair, the offense I saw last night definitely looked different than what he ran at OU.  (Also to be fair, it looked frigging terrible).

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BUCKfutter's picture

mariota ran it at its peak (they finished #2)

against pac 12 talent, he looked even better

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

He (and Helfrich) did make Mariota look good, which is impressive given no one else seems to be able to do that these days.  Their offense never really impressed me though, thinking back to the 2 times OSU faced it the formula was simple.  If you can take away the big plays, they have no idea what to do.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

The key to stopping that offense is your DL winning 1st down against their OL.  Plain and simply.  It's predicated on getting first downs and going fast.  It's not built to play from behind the sticks...as most aren't, but they really struggle in those situations when bells and whistles and motion and misdirection doesn't really have an effect.  That's exactly what you saw in those 2 matchups...the DL for Ohio State dominating the LOS. 

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RBurgundy4's picture

Buckfutter ftw. Agree #100. UCLA QB's look absolutely nothing like some of the guys he had at Oregon. UGLY.

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Triv's picture

I was pretty unimpressed with UC last night honestly. UCLA is a god awful team. The UC defense did play fairly well but only scoring 24 points on 3.6 ypc against that UCLA defense is a bit of an embarrassment. 

The UC defense also got bailed out by DTR literally dropping the football twice - once on the 10 and once shortly after entering UC territory.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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andretolstoy's picture

I didn't think Cincy was going to beat us regardless, but after watching last night I can pretty much guarantee a win for the Buckeyes.

Cincy is a good team that will win many, if not, most of their games this year if they correct those mistakes. THEOhioState may even be their only loss, but they made decent sized mental errors last night. They should have won that game by 3 TD's at least. I always watch Fickell's games and wonder which coach had the biggest influence on how his teams play the game. Right now, he errs on the side of Tressel's game. The positives and the frustrating parts. I'm hoping to see if some of his Cooper and Meyer influences show. I know, I know. Fickell is his own man. 

UCLA is a disaster. Let's see if they turn it around after this odd showing. Right now, Washington is the Pac 12's leader and rightly so. 

Cincy fans are just weird. I openly root for Ohio teams (especially a Fickell lead Bearcat team) I don't care if they have a collective complex they need to deal with. Let them go spend time with a shrink or a priest, preferable both. Ohio U fans aren't any better. Bobcat fans have this notion they're Ivy League because they have a decent Journalism School, yet they're not even in the vicinity of Northwestern let alone any East Cost School.

Fickell moving on to MSU would just be an oddity for me. To me, I think he deserves (and is a caliber coach/man) to lead a school like THEOhioState, (hate to say it) TTSUN, or Notre Dame. Fickell is a strong Roman Catholic, which is why he fits in well with Cincy so it makes sense for me that a Notre Dame move would potentially happen. And I actually think he can make ND a power like it was in the best years of Holtz. I also wouldn't be surprised if he stays and retires in Cincy. There's no reason why he couldn't make Cincy into top tier contender, or at least, have the type of success Tress had at YSU. 

Honestly, I don't see Fickell coaching at TheOhioState again, not because he's not good enough, but I don't think he'll get the opportunity. Day will leave but not right away. He would be dumb too leave soon. I'd actually like to see Meyer return if he's healthy. I don't want to see him coaching USC that would further tarnish him for me. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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semperfibuck's picture

“Bobcat fans have this notion they're Ivy League...”

that’s the funniest thing I have read this week!  Ivy League? Ohio is lucky to be in the MAC...

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

UC has a good defense and a good QB, RB, and TE.. wr.. meh... OL is atrocious.. just downright awful. We just need to tackle in space because I think they’ll realize quickly that A they can’t run on us, B they don’t have time to drop back.

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Brohio's picture

Are we in a safe enough space for me to say I'm officially worried about the Cincinnati game?

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andretolstoy's picture

What did you see last night that has you worried? Just curious. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Brohio's picture

1. Short yardage dumps to WRs and RBs against LBs in coverage.
2. Awesome DL
3. Way earlier in the season than I'd like it to be because of new QB and DC
4. See #1

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andretolstoy's picture

You are definitely correct about #1. I thought that would be one way they could hurt us, at least, for a half. Those bubbly screens

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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aj99's picture

You know Cincy was using that game to perfect the game plan against OSU. If our linebacking hasn't improved, then bar the door, because it will be shootout.

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Triv's picture

Of course you can be worried, but I would question how much of last night's game you watched.

After watching that game my confidence is at an all time high for that game. UCLA looked like a 2-3 win team and UC needed 2 gift fumbles and a gift from the refs (the blown fumble call late in the 4th) to win the game by 10 points.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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FeedZeke420's picture

Ill always root for Fick wherever he goes, I also don't have any hate towards other Ohio schools. I don't understand how/why people from Cincinnati cant root for both. Its like saying you cant root for a major league and a minor league team in baseball.  OSU is the Indians, Cinci is the clippers, MAC is like AA ball. 2014 I saw like a lot of bearcat fans, it was puzzling. I will never understand how any other Ohio team can be some ones main team.

Go Bucks!

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andretolstoy's picture

Cincinnati is a NCAA Division I football team just like the Buckeyes. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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FeedZeke420's picture

So? they are not a power 5 team and never will be on the same level as the buckeyes. That's why I have no problem hoping they do good, unless they come play us so we can warm up for the big boy teams later in the season. When they went to the sugar bowl that one year I thought it was really cute that they got to pretend to be OSU and play in a big bowl game for once. 

Go Bucks!

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andretolstoy's picture

I'm just quarreling with your allegory. Not being a power 5 doesn't equate a school to being in the minor leagues. 

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FeedZeke420's picture

Not totally but it essentially is. Cinci will never make the playoffs even if they are undefeated. None of those schools will. The cinci ucfs of the world pretty much compete for a shot at the peach bowl to play a team that got left out of the playoffs. That's their championship.

Go Bucks!

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CincyBuck's picture

Based on your comments, I suspect UC fans probably don't like you -- not OSU -- because you keep insisting they are, in essence, a minor league team that should lose on purpose for the greater glory of OSU.  I think that's the case 99% of the time when people talk about this subject.  

Guys...  UC is a Division-I football team that had 10-11 wins last year.  Their fans are -- and should -- be excited.  Hell, I'm excited for them, despite the fact I have no personal allegiance to the school.

Was there a "F&*k Ohio State!" sign on air last night that I missed or something?  I watched most of the game.  I didn't see anything OSU related.  Or is it that UC fans dared to go see their team play, rather than boycotting UC football as a sign of their fealty to their OSU overlords? 

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FeedZeke420's picture

There was plenty of " F OSU" at the game in 2014. There is one big boy football team in Ohio and its the buckeyes. All I said is idk how somebody from Ohio could be just a fan of UC and not OSU. They are not on the same level they are the equivalent of a mac team. Its like rooting for BG or OU to do well, but the buckeyes come first. I will happily cheer for them to have a successful season but they  should expect an ass whooping next week.

Go Bucks!

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portlandbuck's picture

Just stop. They're not the equivalent of a MAC school. Not even close. 

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FeedZeke420's picture

Well the MAC and American conference are both group of 5 correct? So that would make them the equivalent. I guess by your logic the SEC and BIG 10 are not on equal ground. I don't  know why Cincinnati is even showing up, shouldn't they be brawling with Xavier in a basketball game no one cares about. 

Go Bucks!

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NativeSon's picture

My wife was called a bitch/whore/cunt way too many times to count because she was wearing a UC jersey in Columbus during the game in 2014. I was also assaulted by a drunk OSU fan who was trying to assault my wife. Those small, but overly vocal, factions of the each fan base shouldn’t be how you judge the whole. 

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FeedZeke420's picture

That's terrible native, idk how you kept your composure. A direct attack on anyone especially a woman over a football game is bs. I had an obnoxious osu guy behind me and wife as well, GD this GD that every 5 seconds, it took a lot not shut his mouth for him. He may actually be on here somewhere he kept talking about 11w. I don't judge whole fan bases based on bad apples. I just was giving cinci fans crap and trying to get under their skin. They hate when OSU fans treat them like a little brother.

Go Bucks!

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FeedZeke420's picture

Side note Idk if it was the weird start time for that game or what, but campus was a real shit show before and after. We took the shuttle from the fairgrounds and walked back after the game. Saw countless students passed out, fires, a smart car flipped on its side. Lots of alcohol going around I guess.

Go Bucks!

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NativeSon's picture

We were out the night before partying with friends, maybe on chittenden? Anyways we had a great time and the student were nice. There was some good natured shit talking, but other than that a fun time. The next day was a shit show. We planned on staying with friends Saturday night but ended up driving back to Cincinnati. I think the nicest thing that was said to us on Saturday was sorry for your loss. Being with a visiting fan in Cbus on game day definitely gave me a different perspective. 

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CincyBuck's picture

I was at that game.  With UC fans.  I suspect you just don’t know how to handle people marginally rooting for a team that isn’t OSU.

And the fact that you say they “shouldn’t even show up” more than proves my point.  You’re why people hate OSU fans.

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okiebuck's picture

Wow, so UCLA replaces Jim Mora with Chip Kelly and they actually get worse.There real question is WTH has happened to college football on the left coast? The quality of ball is pitiful.
 

The only hard day was yesterday

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buckeyearchie76's picture

Live in Cincy--but an OSU alum and season ticket holder,.  First U C fans---I definitely believe they are not haters of OSU.  Instead, I think they are wannabes.  They want to be like OSU in football and want to be like Kentucky in basketball.  And that has not happened.  A few observations about the game last night.  UCLA was missing 3 defensive backfield players and another big lineman.  UCLA was horrible on offense.  Or UC was that good--your choice.  UC's quarterback does not have a real strong arm.  But, he is accurate as hell.  Warren is a good back.  But, keep an eye on that injury he suffered.  He went back in and aggravated it again.  I like Coach Fick--but next week for me he is just another enemy coach that day.  OSU wins next Saturday.  But, they better not have their heads up their ass either.  GO BUCKS!

Louis Haynes

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I like the story line for the Fighting Fickells and the Buckyeyes' tilt in the 'Shoe. NFL coach-in-waiting and present Buckeye HC plays gridiron chess with present UC Head Coach and Buckeyes HCIW.

Will Fickell's Finger of Fate overcome his former employer and Alma Mater and become the first in-state school in 98 years to top the Bucks?

Or will Ryan "That'll-Be-the-Day" eclipse the Bearcats and show Luke where The Force really is?

All will be revealed at High Noon next Saturday. Stay tuned on ABC.

Go Bucks. Make the century mark.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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portlandbuck's picture

Yep. I'm psyched for next week. UC is a good opponent, and we need them to be a good test in a year when we don't have a truly marquee out of conference team.

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IloveSaturdays's picture

I must have missed all the scary stuff about cincy last night. I though UCLA was terrible and lost, more than cincy looks good and won. Unless it was that “great” defense that causes opposing qb’s to let go of the ball, I think they’re pretty average. 

I have to return some videotapes

-Pat Bateman

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Woodywasking69's picture

I think the hate of OSU fans is a result of there just being so many of us. Partly because of the size of the alumni base and partly because so many Ohioans have moved elsewhere. A perfect example is I am from Toledo living in Jacksonville. The house next to me on one side was just bought by a guy from Maumee and the other side was just bought by a guy from Wilmington. So on my small block of six houses there are now three of us from Ohio. And in the subdivision we are in there are at least 5 other Ohioans. That is a pretty good number.  Add into that I used to go to the alumni watch party at BW 3 and there were times you couldn’t move because there were so many of us there. Living in SEC and ACC country they don’t like it when they feel outnumbered.

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kiester's picture

FWIW, I wore my OSU jersey to the UC game last night, and received exactly 0 negative comments. I think a lot of the hate towards tOSU isnt directed from Cincy residents, rather its the influx of northern Kentucky residents (where UK basketball is God/King/life).  

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Smitty516's picture

Who has a better defense? Cincy or last year’s ttun? I’m not saying we are going to drop 62, but I think Cincy’s defense is made out to be this buzzsaw it really isn’t. Don’t get me wrong, we better come ready to play, but it’s not like we are facing Clemson’s defense...

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Triv's picture

UCs defense is dramatically overrated. It's a good to fringe very good D - against G5 opponents (and UCLA). They played 2 teams that had a pulse on offense in 2018: OU and UCF. Both put up 30+

Shutting down Miami OH (75th), Navy (96th), UCLA (98th) and ECU (106th) does not make a defense elite. I'll be absolutely shocked if OSU is held under 40

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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