Everyone knows the Heisman will go to whatever QB is the flavor of the week.
A somewhat short white dude with an attitude problem?
The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.
Well if you are short and white in athletics you must have an attitude problem to succeed....Just like me and my buddy Baker.
Tathan ain't winning jack man
Only three RBs have won it since 2000. The rest, QBs.
Plain and simple, it’s a QB award unless all the QBs mess up enough. With this current crop of star QBs at high profile programs, I don’t foresee that happening.
While Days offense might be predicated on the run more than last year, I still don’t think it will be setup for JK to get 25 touches a game. As for Taylor, I think his problem will be Wisconsin not winning enough games. Usually teams who go 8-4 don’t have Heisman winners
Good assessment, BP.
Not sure why McElroy is much maligned. He is respectful to me when I call in. Of course I don't ask stupid questions or have dumb comments.
Comes from Alabama, works for ESPN, and I’ve seen shade thrown his way probably with those first two working heavily against him. As I mentioned, I’ve always thought him to be among the more tolerable and objective.
I think McElroy is great on Sirius. Very smart guy and I have always thought he was fair, and actually usually seems higher on the bucks than most on radio/tv. Haven’t seen much of him on tv though
At 40-1, I think JK is definitely viable. There is definitely a range of outcomes where Ohio State REALLY wants to limit Fields' "contact carries" and they MUCH prefer JK to McCall or anyone else in goal line situations due to ball security. In this scenario, JK could fall into an ungodly amount of TDs and he could always be incredibly efficient. I would not bet on any RB under JK, simply because it will be very difficult for them to win the Heisman in general. I've been saying all offseason that the Heisman winner or the person you pick needs to be able to put up a statistical season similar or better than Tua last year. There isn't a reason that Tua shouldn't basically do the same thing again. Only missing Irv Smith of 5 important receivers a year ago, incredibly talented WR group, I would assume he throws a pick or two vs. bad teams last year but you'd think his 6/6 TD to INT ratio vs. good teams should improve. Bama MLB injuries could cause him to play longer. Bama also has less backs that they NEED to get into games a significant amount this year. This is why I don't understand the Lawrence odds comp. to Tua. Lawrence had a game last season with 12-24 for 151 vs. Duke. Clemson's offense is not set up to be explosive in the air against bad teams like the Bama, Oklahoma, Ohio States of the world. Maybe the hype gets Lawrence there, but I think Tua has name/exposure to win over Lawrence if he has a superior statistical season, which I think is incredibly likely. Same reason why I think Jalen and Fields are the best bets on the board on sites where you can find them for +1500ish. Their top end outcomes in their offenses is very close to or better than Tua. If Justin Fields is ready to go, that dude is putting up highlight plays and huge numbers in Ohio State's offense, much more so than Lawrence. This isn't me taking any shots at Lawrence or me evaluating them as players, but just their likelihood for elite statistical success. Lawrence BASICALLY started at Clemson all year. Yes he split snaps with Kelly Bryant for the first few weeks, but he will split snaps with Chase Brice the first few weeks when they smoke the bad teams on the schedule.
Tua played LESS snaps than Lawrence last season and significantly outperformed statistically last year. Both were first time starters. Lawrence has been a starting QB in good high school division since his freshman year and was always a QB, I would argue that his development from year one to year two compared to Tua from year two to year three and from first year starter to second year starter should really not be much different. I actually think that Tua has more things that could be improved moving into this season. Maybe Clemson changes their offense and lets Trevor throw for 300 yards every game, but I just don't know why this is EXPECTED
Great deep dive, 24. You make some excellent points.
Our quarterback last season had a great shot at winning it. The head coach failed him, miserably. He didn’t tout him as a candidate a single time. You have to campaign on the field and off the field. The quarterback fulfilled his end of the deal.
I hate the fact that it's become a de facto QB award...... and if for some reason a QB doesn't win it, it's pretty much guaranteed to be a RB or WR. Yes, those are the glory positions with the big highlights, but every year there is some player out there at some other position that is better than the guy who wins the heisman. For example, Orlando Pace finished behind Danny Wuerfel, Jake Plummer and Troy Davis in the heisman voting that year. Absurd. Ndamakung Suh is another example, and it seems most years there's someone like that.
Either it's a QB award, or it's truly the best college player award. If it's the latter, then I'd like to see other positions represented .... but that's not going to happen.
Although not as prestigious as the Heisman there are various awards that recognize players at various positions
Yes there are, such as the Maxwell for best QB, so the Heisman shouldn’t be a de facto “best QB on a high ranked team” award like it has become. It should be the best player, as it states.
As much as I'd like to see it, it'll never happen. I don't even think breaking Barry's single season record is a shoo-in at this point.
If he broke the record, do you believe he would have a strong chance to win the Heisman?
It's Trevor Lawrence's trophy and nobody better mess up what the media tells us!
Lol! I could totally see Lawrence winning it without actually deserving it. Lawrence seems to have been anointed as everyone’s golden boy and he has the weak-schedule in the ACC. They’ll likely be undefeated heading into the playoffs again.
Weak schedule or not, last time we met them it wasn't pretty
That was during our offensive dysfunction. Can’t Wait to face them again and beat them into the ground
He sure as hell isn't winning any hardware tonight. 13/23, 2 picks...
Oh wow. Last I saw, he was at one rushing and one passing TD. I guess I missed some stuff. I also noticed he has an awkward hitch in his delivery. The ball comes out nice but it looks unrefined. He also doesn’t appear to be as strong a runner as what he had been made out to be. I know he’s pro style but supposedly he has some wheels as well.
It really depends on what the offense looks like.
Dobbins really should be the motor this year, Fields isn't going to hit the ground running and be Braxton Miller from the first snap (sure would be awesome if he was), so Dobbins will be leaned heavily upon. I'm for it.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Good point! Dobbins is vital to our early success and that will likely reflect in the stats.
No offense to J.K., but I don’t think he is a top 3 running back in the country. Etienne, Swift, and Taylor are all better and/or will have more production. I think we’ll see a big improvement from last year with Dobbins (1,400 yards or so) and he’ll make 1st team All-Big Ten alongside Taylor, but in my opinion Heisman talk is out of the question.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Fair points, Coop. McElroy also mentioned Swift in the discussion but he landed on Dobbins.
It's interesting the top guys are with the best teams. I guess now it's not so much ability than winning.
Also the best numbers come from players with the best supporting cast, especially a good OL. A RB getting hit at or behind the line of scrimmage or a QB with no time to throw just won't look as good to the voters.
One would hope they would look at what the team would look like without him.
"Hope," yes. "Should," yes. Ain't gonna happen.
The Heisman has turned into “Best offensive player on one of the 2 or 3 best teams” in recent years.
He has split carries about 50/50 the last few years. If he gets 70% of the carries this year and has his frosh production, we are talking somewhere in the 1700+ range, which would probably put him in a discussion if he has 25 TDs, which is a ton
Exactly, if there’s any way he can get 70% of carries while going back to his 7.2 yards per tote, as he did Freshman year, his stats will be through the roof.
Playing well in big games will help JK seriously move into the conversation.
Right and that was one of the major premises for why McElroy picked him. It was about the platform and the visibility that a lot of other schools don’t necessarily get.
JK would have to hit 2k yards and 15+ TDs to even be invited to NY, with a couple statement games included.
It's also tough because every week that he conceivably puts up 200 yards/2 TDs, Taylor from Wisconsin will do the same thing because he does that all the time.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Only difference being OSU would be undefeated (fingers crossed) and Wiscy would have several losses, tarnishing Taylor’s impact.
His "problem" is going to be we lean on him early and he looks the part but as Fields and the offense progress, we start leaning on Fields and the WRs.. it also doesn't help that RB1 for next season ( whoever that's going to be) is going to need touches..
Perhaps the growth of Fields and the greater throwing threat would open up the run game for Jk!
The 12Gauge Effect, if you will?
That’s a perfect name for it.
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I’ve always enjoy hearing Greg call our games.. honestly I prefer him over Chris Fowler yelling at me. His yell is a whole lot different than Gus Johnson.. which I think is the best in the business. Anyway I think Jk will have to make some electric plays. Have big games and make himself a household name by week 7 if not it’s not going to happen. But Fields and Co. will be must watch TV if the expectations are met. I’m really interested to see how much we lean on Jk in the beginning to get Fields adaptive to everything.
The Future is Bright at Ohio State
I'd love to see the Buckeyes run the ball often (and well) enough for JK to be in the conversation. After last year, a strong running attack would be a welcome change.
It would also be a “pick your poison” situation if later in the season we got our passing game together!
The days of RB's getting 80% of the snaps are over. There is only one football and there are a lot of hands to feed. JK won't get past 1500 yards this year because he won't be playing for most of the 2nd half of games because of the blowout scores. He's a beast man...and it's unfortunate that he has had to split carries for the past two years. We all saw what he could do by himself when Weber went down two seasons ago. His yards after contact are sick. I hope he runs pissed off all year. Good luck tackling that bowling ball.
Forget the Heisman and it's QB-loving BS. JK is the type of back that can break the will of the opponent with less than 5 minutes to go in a game. STUD...
I’m rooting like crazy for that! I was so amped when JK came on the scene in 17! I was like holy crap we’re going to have this guy for three years?? Then 2018 happened and my expectations were reset. I hope he runs angry and destroys the teams he runs against. I’m thinking less split carries and a more run-capable Oline (center and guards under 6’8) will put us closer to seeing him go off.
If the Wisky RB who ran for 2000+ yards didn't even get an invite, I don't see how Dobbins will.
My theory is if Wiscy were undefeated coming into the end of the year, the hype around the team and Taylor would have been crazy. There tends to be a bias toward top QBs and the top teams.
Oooo I love a September Heisman candidate nomination!! We can’t let TTUN have all the fun!!
Travis Etienne just jumped to the front of the line tonight.
Funny how now Fields is at 3rd best odds. Month or so ago ESPN had a top 10 Heisman discussion and Fields was nowhere to be found.
Insert "Tallest midget" joke here. It's a QB game now. VERY hard for anyone not playing QB to win that award nowadays.