More Smoke from Clemson?

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Until Ohio State can beat Clemson, this just sounds like a loser’s excuse, like something Michigan men say to rationalize why Ohio’s State is so much better.

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Furious George 27's picture

I honestly do not see anyone thinking that but you. I think the previous article of a “Cure for Blindness” pretty much summed it up. OSU gets put through the ringer over tattoos and we’re brushing aside allegations made on Clemson. I remember that summer where every allegation against OSU was published without hesitation and constant media attention. Kicking the shit out of OSU has nothing to do with this but everything with how the media chooses to ignore pretty serious claims.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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TigerSweat's picture

Spot on

Clemson isn't just (allegedly) breaking major recruiting rules - they're also giving players PED's and that is a big deal. You can't expect a team that isn't juiced up to compete very well with a team that
is not only paying 6 figures for talent but also feeding that talent performance enhancing drugs. I'm 100% certain that if any of these allegations were being leveled at OSU, the media would be all over it running a 24 hour news cycle with all their big personalities speculating on it.

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RubixTube's picture

Sadly, the big difference here is that OSU would rush to secure office space at the Fawcett Center or inside the Woody if the NCAA started beating their drums in Columbus.  ESPN would set up a satellite studio outside the RPAC for the remainder of the CFB season.  

 Alabama, Clemson, etc all seem to understand the best way to avoid controversy is to deny deny deny and not give access to anyone they don't trust.  When will we learn? 

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brutusbro's picture

A notorious mediocre program until Sweeney got there. Either he's God's gift to coaching, or something fishy is going on. I tend to believe the latter, especially the rate at which they have been recruiting. But win and top notch players will come, soooo, who knows. Sweeney has kind of a tressel vibe to me, gets treated like a saint. We will eventually see the end results are the same

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tracyre's picture

certainly explains how they beat the shit out of Alabama...although didn't Bama test positive too? 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

The Alabama players tested positive but it seemed to be for pot or something similar since their suspensions were for a few games, not the entire following season.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I honestly do not see anyone thinking that but you

That’s not my problem 

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stuckupnorth's picture

There is a lot of people who think that. Look at the upvotes for what that’s worth. People don’t like to say anything because it becomes tiresome.Osu fans look at everything through scarlet colored glasses. In my opinion they are the biggest homers around. I live in Michigan and they have thier share of fans but nowhere close to OSU in regards to tinted glassses. People are dying to see Clemson fail. A couple years ago this board hated Alabama. Now it’s clemson. No they are not spotless. No they are not without fault. People just want to hate on them. This board just like Michigan fans. Always making excuses and blaming someone else for  the lack of victories. It gets more pathetic every week. Soon the SEC this ESPN that boo birds will come out, while OSU is getting throttled yet again by 30 to an unranked team. Yet this sorry fan base will only say chickenshit Saturday. Who cares that the defense was one of the worst in OSU storied history. People will lament that Alabama is playing Citadel. Meanwhile OSU is playing A barely D1 school and then justifying it by saying Well Notre Dame is week before(fans always say they are overrated until OSU plays them, then they the four Horsemen).

I promise u OSU has friends of the program. I bet u dollars to donuts that these kids get fantasypaying summer “jobs”OSU did not get put through the ringers over tats. They got probation for the head coach knowingly lying to his bosses in an investigation. Yes the tats were stupid. There is no doubt about it. The rubber hits the road with the lies.

I didn’t read the article. So I could be way off base. If I am please feel free to call me out. Tell me I’m a moron downvote me or whatever.Are these allegations? Or is it substantial proof. Until they are found guilty in the court of law they can’t be prosecuted.Do I think the liberal piece of garbage ESPn devotes a lot of time to OSU. Yes. However consider who owns them and how they cover the president of USA, all of them past present and future. OSU is not without fault and until it cleans its own house I could care less what it’s neighbors are doing.

Fans need stop worrying about Clemson and Bama. They sound just like Harbaugh and Michigan a bunch of crybabies who can’t win so they throw stones. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

This is the correct take. We wish we were where Clemson is right now, and there’s nothing wrong with that. 

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Furious George 27's picture

You said a lot that didn’t pertain to anything that I said nor what the OP was saying. I couldn’t give two fucks about Clemson. Welcome to the offseason where stories are created. The point still remains there seems to be no care in the world about the allegations at Clemson from the media. If Clemson is paying for players as allegedly stated it’s a pretty big fucking deal and as OSU had player’s suspended for being paid fake hours at work sites you’d expect everyone held to the same standard when it was being widely reported. 

Sorry dude, this isn’t envy for Clemson that most are talking about. We’ve played them 3 times in our history and we can overtake them on the field since we also have elite talent. Most people had this same opinion when UNC basically got nothing for for athletes taking fake classes, MSU has gotten overlooked as well for their transgressions. Are you suggesting we’re envious of them? This is not about beating a team, but the selective scrutiny in reporting. But thanks for your novel.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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stuckupnorth's picture

These are allegations. They are not proven. This site was all over the Zeke and JT drama as well as the Zack Smith stuff. People were like it’s hearsay and they were not prosecuted in court. When the shoe was on the other foot opinions were different. These are just allegations. You can’t fry someone over an allegation. 

If these allegations prove to be true? Proven in a court of law. Then the hammer should come. If you read my post I said that OSU does get unfair coverage. I agree that if fields put ketchup on a hamburger that espn would report it. I’m not denying that. Not sure why you so worked up.I also think that anytime a recruit signs with Alabama or Clemson espn will put it on the ticker. I then went on to say espn is the equivalent of hot trash when it comes to coverage. 

OSU is not spotless. College football is a high stakes big money game. It’s dirty. In Columbus,Tuscaloosa, Ann Arbor, Montana.

as It stands now it’s just an allegation. When more comes of it then we can throw stones. If nothing comes of it. Then so be it. Media coverage is slanted no way around it. How you voted will likely determine what/ If any news coverage you watch. Those outlets will have two different agendas. Sports ain’t no different . 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I agree that if fields put ketchup on a hamburger that espn would report it.

I have into good authority that Fields puts A-1 on his hamburger, so we should be safe on that front.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

while OSU is getting throttled yet again by 30 to an unranked team. Yet this sorry fan base

You sound miserable, aren’t games supposed to be fun?  Why someone on a tOSU fan site would guarantee another 30-pt loss to an unranked team and belittle their peers, is beyond me.

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stuckupnorth's picture

I am not talking this year. Last year all I heard was ESPN this and SEC that. Blaming them for OSU not making playoffs. Meanwhile OSU lost by 30 for the third straight year(albeit one loss was a playoff game to a ranked team, not an unranked team). I’m not guaranteeing a 30 point loss this year. Maybe my phrasing could have been better.

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

criticizing Clemson or should I say the media for the lack of coverage on potential scandals there  and being jealous can and are mutually exclusive. when you are at the top everyone comes at you and everyone is jealous. What you didn't grasp is that the media seems to have a serious hard on for TOSU for any and all things. If Justin Fields racked up speeding tickets I would bet that his tickets would get a ton more coverage than what Clemson it getting for seems to be like serious allegations. nobody is  saying OUR criticism is unfair, at least not me, but the balance is way off. THAT is what sucks. The PEDs, this money deal, a few other things and it's like nobody wants to tarnish their "image" and Dabo's awe shucks attitude. 

One of the biggest reasons why we seem to burn brighter when situations arise is because ESPN and almost all other major sports media groups have a ton of TTUN graduates. I started doing some research about a year ago and found a ridiculous amount of reporters, producers, writers for ESPN and others are TSUN graduates so it makes sense they would highlight our stubbed toes. 

Football is cyclical and how teams are dominant. For a long time it looked like Nebraska, ND, Florida State and a few others would never be outside the top 5 but 2 out of those three aren't really relevant right now at all and ND's success is questionable.  Clemson will dip back down, Alabama will too, why? because at some point kids will stop wanting to go where everyone else goes and the tide turns ( no pun intended).  I for one could give two shits about Clemsons success but want to beat WHOEVER it is at their best. no excuses but saying guys on here bitching about the lack of media coverage for Clemson and their potential scandals is being whiny bitches because they are number one is't the full or accurate picture. there is no problem having serious undying loyalty to your school and want to protect them from assholes constantly pointing out the splinter in our eye when they ignore the plank in others. 

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allinosu's picture

Not disagreeing completely but when you do a drug test and find steroid use, you test the rest of them instead of turning a blind eye. That hasn't been the case when OSU is exposed.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Clemson has only been on the map since they beat us in the Orange Bowl, six years ago. Flavor of the month club. This too shall pass.

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allinosu's picture

I want a front row seat for that.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

When has anyone tested positive for PEDs at OSU?  Hard to say it's the case, if it's never happened.

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seyekcuB's picture

Well I mean if you like teams finger banging their opponents keep supporting them. It's really not sour grapes if they are cheating now is it?

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bd2999's picture

Not sure if not beating a school is a reason for the school to not get in trouble for rule breaking. Not enough info to say one way or another.

Not sure this is an excuse. Maybe a symptom. Dislike them more because OSU has struggled against them but probably has more to do with them in general.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I can only speak for myself, but I can very easily separate my feelings as an Ohio State fan from my feelings as a general sports fan/human being, and the former has absolutely nothing to do with my distaste for Dabo Swinney and that program he conjured up from nothing. 

I think it will be after Swinney retires (possibly after he dies, even, talking 30-40 years down the line) that everything's going to come to light. Not for one second do I buy that Clemson has gotten where they are playing by the rules. 

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huffdaddy's picture

There's some stinky stuff happening there. I bet we are within a year of something imploding. 

My bet is the SEC schools will be the ones that stir the pot and find whatever is there. They are tired of Clemson stealing their recruits and beating their champs.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

Nah, the SEC has way too many skeletons in their closet to try and call out another school for breaking the rules.  

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Dstacify's picture

Really? Saban does it all the time. Why do you think Ole Miss got sanctions dropped on them?

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stxbuck's picture

Yup, mutually assured destruction so to speak. I’d assume the non-SEC Southern schools-Clemson, FSU, Baylor,etc abide by the same code.

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Dstacify's picture

Clemson won't implode until Dabo leaves. He's got that program under lock and key right now.

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FeedZeke420's picture

That was my initial thought as well, but the sec does not want to ruin Dabo's reputation so he can take over for Saban. 

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TigerSweat's picture

Dabo can't win on a championship level without rampant cheating. Shit, I could probably bring home a title at Kentucky if I were willing to cheat my ass off to do it. I could then put on a little douchey show every time the cameras are on and talk about doing the Lord's work. Dabo is a fraud

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

That’s an excuse. This comment is straight from MGoBlog lol 

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IH8UOFM's picture

Man, Dabo is gonna leave that place in shambles when he bolts for Bama when Saban hangs it up.

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kmp10's picture

I’m 55, and it took me until age 53 (I’m slow) to learn the following... don’t worry about what anyone else has or does, just worry about yourself. If Clemson is dirty then Clemson will fall, but until then, and despite my extreme distaste for Dabo and his trailer park trash personae, BR13 is right... it just sounds like whining from the school that got smoked 31-0 last meeting. 

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stxbuck's picture

This. 11W should be a Buckeye board, not a safe space to whine about being jealous of Clemson and Bama.

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SCbucknut's picture

i posted in college sports, not ohio state football. You can accuse me of whining about the disparity in coverage but not being jealous. Those two schools are head and shoulders above everyone else. Good for them. My point is if any of these accusations had ohio state attached it would be everywhere for months

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stxbuck's picture

If you are the type of person who gives a rat’s ass about what Paul Finebaum or Bubba Beau thinks about tOSU in Dixie, good for you. Myself, I’ve learned that obsessing over what others perceive is a waste of time-worry about your own business and your own affiliations.

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TigerSweat's picture

I mostly agree with you BUT I have a problem with the PED allegations down there. It looks as if it may have been systemic and if it is/was that changes everything.

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Dstacify's picture

Well we know it wasn't OSU. Based on what the released text messages showed Meyer was 100% against handing out million dollar handshakes to recruits. So unless he had crooked coaches on staff who went rogue on the recruiting trail (Tom Herman perhaps) I would expect that figure wasn't offered by OSU.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Maybe not that figure, but let's not pretend Ohio State is innocent when it comes to bagmen. Clemson/SEC-bashing is pretty old at this point. I get it, though. Whoever is on top that isn't Ohio State will receive the same treatment. Rinse, repeat.

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SCbucknut's picture

Sure, bag men are everywhere, including OSU. I don't think it's targeting whoever is at the top that's not OSU, its wondering why no one else gets the same coverage we would for similar offenses.

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SCbucknut's picture

The texts from Urban don't necessarily prove he was opposed to paying players, could be he was smart enough to say he was against it in a text on a state university issued phone. Not saying urban was running a dirty program or he advocated paying players, but just because we havent been tied to anything doesn't mean it didn't happen. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

In order for you to take that position, you have to make n assumption first that he's dirty.  I, on the other hand can say, THE TEXTS FROM URBAN SAID HE WAS OPPOSED TO DOING IT.  I'll take my position over yours because the evidence points that way, without me doing any mental gymnastics.  Being cynical doesn't automatically make you smarter than everyone else.

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I made no assumption he was dirty, just considering all possibilities, including he was vehemently opposed to it. I also don't just take people at their word. It's not mental gymnastics to know you wouldn't want anything shady to be on a university issued phone. If that makes me cynical, then fine. I am decidedly not smarter than everyone else.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I also don't just take people at their word.

That's a pretty miserable way to go through life.  I'm as street smart as anyone here, but I wait until I SEE something that leads me to believe something's wrong before i jump to that conclusion.  Otherwise, that's called paranoia.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

You should have told that to Tressel...

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Pahimar's picture

It is fine to consider all possibilities. But a contemporaneous statement made through a medium where 'few people were looking' so to speak is pretty strong evidence. Calling believing that sort of evidence "taking them at their word" implies something more like hearing them say something at a press conference and concluding "whelp it must be true." Those two scenarios are worlds apart.

Also keep in mind, Urban deleted all those texts on his phone long after sent this one. I think that is additional evidence that it only occurred to him later that his texts might end up somewhere outside of his control, which means he was much more likely to have been unguarded with the truth in this text.

This isn't taking him at his word, it is a careful analysis of the evidence. You can feel free to reach a different conclusion, but I think you are unfairly stating the case a bit.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

I didn't have to do any mental gymnastics, Todd. Staff members here all but confirmed it back around the time that SEC bagmen article came out. I think you're being incredibly naive here, but it wouldn't be your first time, so that's not too surprising.

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TigerSweat's picture

What? That's a reach to suggest that Urban knew these texts would be made public one day so he preemptively lied about not paying players.

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Dstacify's picture

@TigerSweat agreed. That's a major reach. That's like something a bitter scUM fan whose desperate to believe that Urban has been cheating since he got to OSU would say.

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CincyBuck's picture

Can't upvote Boeckmann's post enough.  It's certainly possible that OSU has "bagmen."  But I don't have any first-hand knowledge of that.  And, as Boeckmann suggests, we've seen a lot that suggests OSU's less dirty than one would think.

Contrast that to coaches being on wiretaps arranging payments, statements that recruits received monetary offers from other institutions, recruits with piles of cash after visiting certain schools, ex-players ADMITTING they were paid, etc.  Yet...  the NCAA does jack shit.  Hey guys, maybe do your damn job and ask a few questions.  If the NCAA's only enforcing rules when it wants to, what the F is the point in having them?

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Z-List's picture

I think the text(s) were CYA and that sloppy assistant coach maybe slipped a number of times but he has been rather tight lipped about any of that is his quest to be famous so who knows? I point to that reference of low strength and size. probably more to that comment than meets the eye. Clemson? geez. they seem to have very little concern for enforcement. could be for good toothless reason. those guys in indy like their high paying powerful posts that have them rubbing elbows in coveted circles and if anybody knows this whole charade is way the f out of control it's them and their willful blindness. the pay his uncle scheme seems to be old school at this point. heck peptides are probably old school at this point. 

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stuckinSouthBend's picture

I think a lot of people have been questioning why we have the NCAA for some time now. I know fans from most programs do. I suspect coaches, players and administrators do albeit not in public. You are correct that the NCAA does nothing with any consistency. Except They do seem to consistently make money for themselves.

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stxbuck's picture

Good points. Do tOSU players occasionally get the old “$100 handshake”-probably. Is the tOSU administration far more scrupulous about avoiding recruiting improprieties-and expecting their coaches to actively do the same-absolutely.

If people want to whine and bitch about SEC bagmen-contact Yahoo Sports.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Many years ago, tOSU had a GOAT HS player commit to play at St John Arena.  He was arguably the best player ever.  Other schools offerred him cash.  As a scholarship player, he wasn't allowed to work during the school year.  HOWEVER, he got a sales position in the off-season with NY LIFE.  A big time donor was an GA for them  He took this player with him to every sale and coded the sales in the player's name so he could get the commission.  PLUS, he got the renewals until he graduated.  No bagman.  But totally legal.

There are ways to get money to players.  Bagman is how unsophisticats like Dabo do it.

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CincyOSU's picture

I'm not sure what's so different? Both are shady ways to pay players.

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One was within the rules.

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Just because we found a loophole and it’s technically legal, doesn’t mean it’s ethical. You’re still paying a player to do nothing, and it’s not something thats being offered to Billy the math major. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

So you're simply upset that the poster thinks OSU is not clever enough to find other ways to "buy" athletes? That OSU's after graduation network of boosters that provide all means of enriching the athletes is more ethical than straight up cash?

I agree, opening doors and loyalty to players after they are gone as part of the culture is great. 

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SCbucknut's picture

I use bag men as a generic term, taking care of players happens in many different ways and is not always endorsed by the residing head coach

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Yeah, ask Jim Tressel about that.  He still took the fall because a superfan chose to pay Devier Posey for NOT working for his construction company.  

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Oh I don't doubt OSU has bagmen (most P5 schools have them). Bagmen are usually separate from the coaching staff however and operating on their own for their own best interests (Nevin Shapiro for example). I think this rumor going around that guys like Swinney and Saban actually have bagmen on their payrolls secretly is a little overblown. Bagmen often operate independently. The text messages from last summer's investigation showed that Meyer was 100% against paying recruits so I think it's safe to assume that he was clean in that regard. This $300K story about Rashan Gary makes it sound like an actual coach offered him that figure as part of his recruitment.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Oh I don't doubt OSU has bagmen (most P5 schools have them).

Except that you have to assume it.  tOSU has alot to lose if they get busted for having "Bagmen".  After the Devier Posey stuff with the Construction Company up here in Cleveland, if tOSU got caught, they would be facing the death penalty as a repeat offender.  That "Super Fan", who was around going back to Earle Bruce's time and donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the school, was named Persona Non Grata by tOSU.  

If there are bagmen operating around the tOSU program, I find it hard to believe that Bertollini, Stamper and friends wouldn't hear about it and put a stop to it.  The BoT and the President's office are committed to not allowing it.

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Dstacify's picture

Here's how I describe it. Bagmen are like insects. They're almost impossible to get rid of completely regardless of how much OSU may be opposed to them (and good on them for that). Unfortunately there are Nevin Shapiro types that pop up everywhere at programs as big as OSU. Maybe not as extreme or containing as much leverage as Shapiro had over Miami but they're everywhere because there's corrupt SuperFans everywhere always looking to act in their own best interest. So yes, I absolutely believe that there are unfortunately bagmen wandering around OSU. It just may not be as bad as it was during Tattoogate when players were making deals with a known criminal running a tattoo shop.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Winner winner . I noticed Georgia starting to get it. Yes I know I know Georgia ain’t won crap. Fans are gearing up. They next.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Auburn has been bending the rules ever since ice been watching college football, in the mid 1980's. It's funny to watch them get away with things.....after they hired Beuce Pearl for basketball, all you could do is laugh.

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FeedZeke420's picture

Did they do anything really criminal like receiving tattoos?

One thing that seems weird is why didn't Gary go to Clemson? $300,000 and a chance to play for a program  that actually has a chance at a championship with the same chance of going pro. Why would he choose Michigan? maybe they payed $400,000. There seems to be still some doubt to the credibility of these claims, either way I wish the media would cover this deeper and get to the bottom of this. Still waiting to cast judgment until the truth comes out, but it would be nice to see teams get the same beat a dead horse treatment we get during these "scandals".

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TigerSweat's picture

Good point. I remember when he committed to tTun their fan were saying shit like "he values our world class academics". Lol. Turns out that Gary is as dumb as a bag of hammers so academics had nothing to do with it.

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Snake64's picture

A young man with Dyslexia is not "dumb as a bag of hammers". He has trouble reading so if you're trying to correlate that with his wonderlic score you're pretty fucked up. He's most likely otherwise intelligent with a learning disorder making it difficult to read quickly on a timed test. 

Awfully interesting seeing the fans on this board be so morally uptight about "depression" and the evidence of it or lack thereof and then you outright bash a kid with a DOCUMENTED learning disability. The hypocrisy on this site never ceases to amaze me. 

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FieldsofJreams's picture

Depression should never be put in air quotes.  Shame on you Snake, depression is rarely documented.

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Could be wrong but I believe at the time of his recruitment Clemson hadn't won anything yet (i know they won the 2016 Championship but he was committed to TTUN already) and was exactly where Michigan is now. Good enough to win double digit games year in and year out but not good enough to compete nationally. TTUN just had more national brand power and history to back it up whereas Clemson at the time had never been a football power. 

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Gary committed to Michigan Feb 2016.

Clemson had just come off a 31-0 victory over Ohio State in the CFP semifinal and lost 45-40 to Bama in the CFP Final. They also had a Heisman finalist at QB.

Clemson was competitive nationally IMHO and a better program than Michigan at the time

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Das Hufeisen's picture

Clemson's win over OSU was at the end of the 2016 season. Gary was a true freshman when Curtis Samuel scored the winning TD in overtime.

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Snake64's picture

I think you have your dates off there. Yes he committed in 2016 but that was the 2015 season. Clemson played the sooners in the CFP semi game and lost to Bama 45-40 in the title game. The following year Clemson won the natty after beating OSU and then Bama. Gary was already on the team at this point.

My point of argument wasn't about whether Clemson was a stronger program at that exact moment. I agree Clemson was a stronger program but TTUN still had the history and legacy on its side. Plus the national staying power that Clemson did not at the time. I was simply arguing that Michigan right now is exactly where Clemson was in 2015. A strong double digit win team but they weren't quite ready to be labeled as elite. 

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Kurt's picture

Related to this topic does anyone here know what Steven Godfrey has against John Bacon?

https://twitter.com/38Godfrey/status/1164599854045286400?s=20 

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aj99's picture

Maybe the fact that JUB is Harbaugh's lover or something? Most of the Michigan wankers are so hard over Harbaugh it's ridiculous.  Bacon is putting out a book that is marketed as historical when it's really just UM fantasy porn. It's disgusting, crafty, but disgusting. It's UM propaganda dressed up like history. People think they're reading a historical account, when the obvious point of the book is to keep the faithful in line. It's a pity people can't see the real purpose. I think the Banner guy recognizes this and might have something to say re the corruption at UM.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

This is a terrible take. JUB is outstanding. I get it though, you HAVE TO HATE ALL THINGS MICHIGAN!!!!!

Bad take. 

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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aj99's picture

Really?  I don't hate all things MI. I have friends on staff there. It's a great academic institution. If you can't see through the lines on JUB's newest release, then not sure I can help you. It's clearly drivel written to UM faithful, which is fine. Let's not pretend it's a great work of historical accuracy, though.  It's one sided. JUB loves MI football. Good for him. But his writing is straight from the mouth of the athletic department pr department. That should be clear by now.

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Kurt's picture

I read Bacon's 4th and Long book and enjoyed it.  To me he seems like a good writer so it's strange to see this negativity directed at him.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Have you read the book?

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aj99's picture

I haven't as I don't think it's available yet. But rule one of critical reading is know your author. JUB is literally a paid spokesman for the UM Athletic department. He does a sanctioned radio show appearance for them. Additionally he's a paid professor at the university. He has a major conflict of interest, and anyone who believes he's going to write honest truth re MI is woefully incorrect.He's going to write what the University wants him to write.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

I've not gotten the vibe from the things of his that I have read, specifically Fourth and Long. 

Curious to know when this paid spokesperson gig started.

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Dstacify's picture

Isn't John Bacon the guy who wrote a piece recently that basically said "OSU football is dead"? All with the disclaimer that he's a full blown Michigan homer underneath which all but destroys his credibility on that particular topic lol.

11 Strong.

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FeedZeke420's picture

Lets ask the real questions. How long after Clemson has to forfeit the 2 NC's before bama tries to claim them for their own.

Go Bucks!

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OSU56's picture

One thing that seems weird is why didn't Gary go to Clemson? $300,000 and a chance to play for a program  that actually has a chance at a championship with the same chance of going pro. Why would he choose Michigan? maybe they payed $400,000.

Highest  bidder usually wins right? 

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SCbucknut's picture

Look, I agree we got our asses handed to us by them. Dabo is a lights out recruiter and they do a good job of finding some under the radar type guys in addition to taking about whoever they want at the top. Not using this as any excuse. I just live in clemson country and get very tired of the idea that they are "different" than everyone else, just a small school that does thing the "right way", Dabo is such a good man and he is so strong in his faith, implying that's part of the success. If there is a tinge of whining in my post if would be around the fact that they don't face the same scrutiny in the press. 

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aj99's picture

Clemson fans are the worst. I think they're even worse than MI. I had to spend some time down their for work as well as having friends who are fans. They're terrible fans. They think Clemson football is the third war for state's rights. They have a whole different set of "honor" attached to the team down there. 

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TigerSweat's picture

I also used to live/work down there. Their fans are crazy but they don't have near the numbers we do. I live in southern Ohio and you can't look anywhere without seeing buckeye gear (clothing, decals, yard signs, flags, etc). There are also more than a few that have had their cars painted to look like a buckeye helmet.

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Mostly Gray's picture

Clemson fans are the worst. I think they're even worse than MI.

Not possible unless they have horned skulls, spade tipped tails and reside in very hot environs.  However, they could be almost as bad as those Arrogant Assholes of Ann Arbor, you know the program that presents itself as the epicenter of college football though their last outright national championship was over 70 years ago.

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BuckeyeinSavannah's picture

If they were to look in to the Newspring church they would find all they need.  The problem is, it's a church and no one wants to touch a church.

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aj99's picture

Seriously? What the heck are you talking about?  How is New Spring a problem for Clemson football?

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SCbucknut's picture

The rumors are newspring funnels money to the kids and their families. Huge mega church, outreach, hidden money etc

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aj99's picture

Finding that hard to believe as I've worked with one of the senior guys at New Spring. Not impossible, but improbable. New Spring isn't a place where one person has access to the money. If they were doing what you suggest at least 10 people would be aware of it. That sort of crap can work when only one or two people know about the money, but that's not the way New Spring works. Also, contrary to popular belief, churches like New Spring aren't rolling in the cash. Many times it's the opposite. I can guarantee you they aren't throwing large sums  of money around to student athletes. I don't know about their auditing practices, and unfortunately it's not clear on their website. 

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SCbucknut's picture

I'm not suggesting it. Just stating it's a rumor here. I tend to think it originates from either Georgia or gamecocks, as their forums are where most of it is posted. 

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Cooper's picture

It’s been heavily reported that churches funnel all sorts of dark money, whether it be in politics, business, etc due to their status as a tax-exempt organization. My guess is that some people would think that church is able to hold and distribute funds to the Clemson football team.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Fatpants's picture

Tax exempt doesn’t mean you aren’t still filing returns and subjected to IRS scrutiny. 

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Cooper's picture

The IRS hardly even touches non-profits that mask themselves as a religion. Further, those churches will funnel the money through other organizations, similar to what “The Family” does.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Fatpants's picture

Audit rates for exempt organizations are lower than they are for individuals, just because exempt organizations have less motivation to cheat and that’s reflected in the results of audit in terms of the rate of change. To imply they can run wild and move gobs or cash around without an eventual knock on the door is erroneous, especially with the Patriot Act trying to keep that very thing from occurring. 

Where churches generally break rules with impunity is by engaging in prohibited political activities by endorsing candidates from the pulpit. 

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Cooper's picture

 To imply they can run wild and move gobs or cash around without an eventual knock on the door is erroneous

I never implied this as a generalization, but there is clear evidence that churches do funnel money and like you said, they are heavily involved in politics (not only in America, but across the world).

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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ballotboxco's picture

They don't need churches, there are many other ways to move money without a trace or to raise as much as an eye brow.  A home gets bought for way beneath market value, then sold a short time later, a remortgage on a property happens way above market value.  Same for cars or jewelry.  And even cash if treated properly could move around easily, I used to write risk software for a big bank and now do it for credit unions.  One would be amazed at how easily people can move millions or hundreds of thousands without so much of an eye brow raise if they know how to do it properly.  Do they eventually get caught?  Yes 3.7% of the time.

Number one, win the rivalry game. And number two, win every game after that.

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aj99's picture

"Heavily reported" and "all sorts" are not words I would use regarding this topic. Churches are much less likely to do this than various other non profits.  Most churches are actually very careful to avoid this, because, as I mentioned, they don't have a bunch of money sitting around and they can't afford to lose their tax exempt status. Few churches would do what you're suggesting. I could see some denominational structures trying to do something like that, but local churches just aren't getting into politics the way you suggest. Non profits, on the other hand, are a whole different story.

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Cooper's picture

The Family literally funnels their money through non-profit organizations.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Cooper's picture

Great counterpoint, exactly the sort of peer review critique I was expecting on this website.

They have used their money to send their political cronies to influence politics in dozens of countries, most notably in Eastern Europe. I’m not sure what more evidence you want regarding power and influence. 

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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stxbuck's picture

Same denomination as Cam Newton’s dad, lol????

Everyone in the hood’-politicians, dope dealers, community activists, AAU crooks/hoops academy wheeler dealers-know a church is the best $$$$ laundry out there.

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Fatpants's picture

And if all those people know it, the IRS also knows it.

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stxbuck's picture

“Knowing” and consistently proving in court are very different things.

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Fatpants's picture

The IRS can conduct an examination and come to whatever conclusion they feel is proper. If the taxpayer doesn't like it, he can appeal, and if the appeal doesn't come out in his favor, his final recourse is to file a suit in the tax court. The burden of proof in that situation would be on the taxpayer (meaning the money laundering church would need to come forward with enough evidence to convince the court the IRS is wrong). On top of all of that, I doubt any church in a sketchy neighborhood is willing or able to bear the cost of that litigation, tax attorneys that will go into court are quite expensive.

I guess that's the long way of saying the IRS doesn't need to prove anything in terms of churches moving unexplained, undocumented chunks of money around. If the IRS catches wind of it, they can assess UBIT or go the route of yanking the church's tax exemption, and the church has a long, expensive, uphill battle to prove otherwise.

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swobuckeye's picture

That would be a PR nightmare for the IRS.  The whole "war on religion......" BS.

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Fatpants's picture

Absolutely, and that's why audits of churches need special authorization to be started. The IRS can't pop in randomly like they do to everyone else, they need evidence of something first.

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stxbuck's picture

I appreciate the fact that you can cite paragraph and precedent from the official bureaucrat's rulebook. In real life things don't usually get that far-that's why things are funneled through churches-or do you think every cash dollar in the donation plate goes exactly where it is theoretically supposed to and gets recorded as such?

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Fatpants's picture

paragraph and precedent from the official bureaucrat's rulebook

IRC § 7611

that's why things are funneled through churches-or do you think every cash dollar in the donation plate goes exactly where it is theoretically supposed to and gets recorded as such?

No, but the same can be said for any business that customarily takes in cash. 

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stxbuck's picture

You are exactly right about the cash business part-which is why churches are convenient-cash non profits.

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KBonay's picture

You think there is a reason every legal weed shop ONLY takes cash.  In fact, they keep a damn ATM machine in them.  I am 100% positive they record every single sale....

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stxbuck's picture

Weed shops are 100% cash due to the fact that weed is still a federal schedule 1 drug, and the dispensaries don’t want to risk putting their profits into an electronic medium that could be seized by the feds. Cash keeps things completely local.

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Fatpants's picture

And the banks won’t touch the money, for the reason you listed. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

So how would the banks know where the cash is coming from in order not to accept it? As a factory worker I always deposit 50K in cash every day.

Sani

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Fatpants's picture

Banks require all that information to open a business account. 

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stxbuck's picture

Banks have to report every deposit over 10k to the feds-or every series of $9800 deposits by the same individual. If you are upfront about your cash’s provenance, you can still make 10k+ deposits. Right now weed is state legal in 11 states but trafficking is still a federal crime

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yes, I've been lectured by the bank regarding the 10K cash game before(withdrawal though), they even refused to give me 20K in cash even with a weeks heads up. I changed banks. 

Sani

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KBonay's picture

Now that espn has the ACC NETWORK, don’t expect them to do any digging. 

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tracyre's picture

THIS...which is why it's been all quiet on the western front. 

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OSU56's picture

Until someone outside of the political pay arena starts an investigation- it's business as usual. The NCAA Is the one that should be looking into this, again, but it looks like some cash is flowing that way to look the other way.

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TigerSweat's picture

Where's McMurphy when you need him? I'll be looking for his in-depth expose on Clemson football.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I dont think there will ever be a day in my life, where I'll need McMurphy, lol

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wojodta's picture

Dabo didn't offend him so he won't care about this

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Abuckeye15's picture

On the floor of a bar, where his dignity and integrity are...

36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"

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Hovenaut's picture

All this contentiousness...

I wouldn't bother with it. We got good stuff here in Columbus, and we're close to kickoff (by the time you read this we're even closer still).

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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wojodta's picture

I just want a level playing field. It's unclear whether that's the case right now.

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bucks4nuts's picture

Just google Newspring funnels money .. links back to 2016 and 17..

"To The House"

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49YROLDBUCKEYEFAN's picture

I agree with SCbucknut, we are under a bigger microscope then 99% of all other schools due to our size, crazy fan base and deep tradition. Therefore we get way more scrutiny than most other semi-relevant schools. A molehill is a mountain when it comes to OSU. I just feel that we may come off a little scorned and it looks bad due to our inability to beat Clemson. Just my humble opinion.

Let us not forget our Vets and Troops!

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O H Y O's picture

Don't worry guys, Clemson's dominance won't last long. They will be back in the pit of mediocrity within the next decade. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I was talking to a former player this past summer about paying players under the table.  he played for The Senator.  

He told me a story of how a donor was allowed into the locker room after a game.  He tried to give a player a $100 handshake similar to the famous Troy Smith one we all heard about.  One of the Assisstant coaches saw it and confronted the player at film review Sunday Night.  He made the player return the money.

There's so much legal money now floating around that the $100 handshakes tend to be a thing of the past.  Players will take them if they can, but view the people giving them to them as loser wannabee's and pretend big timers.  The real corruption happens back in hometowns.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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OSUnWV's picture

The ACC network is owned by ESPN , NOTHING will ever happen to Clemson. 

The SEC network is owned by ESPN , NOTHING will ever happen to Alabama.

The BIG10 network is owned by Fox Sports Media , believe every charge , rumor or hell , make up something against Ohio State , they must be destroyed ! 

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Independence Village 22's picture

This! Yes our fellow ESPN Cincinnatian will say espn makes money off us all like its equal. They own the ACC and SEC broadcasting rights and channels and only rent our 2nd tier. Our conference is direct competition to companies they "own". The more championships and Heismans the SEC and ACC win directly affects the stock and viewership numbers of the ESPN bottom line. From recruiting coverage, to the tag line "the sec, it just means more", to the way they cover scandals. Its all slanted to help build their brand for the future.

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CincyOSU's picture

Sigh..................................................................................................

For the 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000th time. OSU is, IS 100% a HUGE cash cow for ESPN. This is 100% fact. They have no financial reason whatsoever to hurt our brand. This is a fact, no matter how much you WANT to think otherwise. Also, Bama and Clemson winning championships doesn't help their stock or ratings any more than OSU would. The CFP is played on the flagship channel, not the SEC or ACC Networks. Additionally, fans of the SEC and ACC, just like the B1G, will watch their teams on their league network regardless of whether the league won a title the year before. League networks cater to fans of said league, not to the casual fan. The B1G network doesn't compete against the SEC or ACC Network...out fans aren't watching their games just as their fans aren't watching ours. And to your little comment about our rights only being "2nd tier"....why are they paying MORE for our "crappy" games over the next 6 years than any other network?

As much as you might WANT ESPN to hate us so it helps you make sense of things, it's simply not the case.

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OSU56's picture

For the 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000th time. OSU is, IS 100% a HUGE cash cow for ESPN

Then ESECPN should start acting like they are. Providing the same support and POSITIVE coverage that they do for the SEC programs.

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btalbert25's picture

Funny thing is, EVERYONE thinks ESPN hates their school.  I hear UK people grumble about it all the time during basketball season.  I've heard Bama football fans say it.  They all point to multiple times ESPN has been unfair and biased etc.  

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FeedZeke420's picture

espn absolutely wants the sec and acc to be better than the big ten. If they suck the sec off the whole year (like always) it hypes up the Mississippi states of the world to create these all hype matchups,creating higher ratings. ESPN doesn't necessarily want OSU to be awful but they do not want them to be as good or get the same hype as Bama or Clemson. They don't want a #1OSU vs #2 Michigan on fox getting all the ratings. They want everyone watching #1 bama vs over ranked #7 ole miss, you know because it just means more.

Go Bucks!

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btalbert25's picture

ESPN makes money on ratings, you know who people tune into watch?  Ohio State, even when they are bad!  ESPN loves having a piece of Ohio State on their networks several times per year.  You know who no one tunes into watch?  Basically, everyone in the SEC.  Ohio State and YSU will draw a bigger number than MIss State vs LSU, and most of the other matchups you'll see during SEC games on their networks. 

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stxbuck's picture

I’ve said before and will say it again. ESPN doesn’t hate tOSU from a financial or programming standpoint. Where they screwed up-and acted in biased fashion-was in giving Herbstreit a platform for his little jihad against Tressel/tOSU and not doing a damn thing to reprimand or reign in his anti-tOSU behavior.

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High St Heismans's picture

Well Herby in his jihad against tOSU predicted on Gameday they'd be in the CFB Play Off,just sayin'

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btalbert25's picture

I do agree with the statement on Herbie when it came to Tressel.  In the later Tressel years, it was pretty clear Herbie didn't approve of something that was going on in the program and he took every opportunity to talk poorly about the program, the style of offense they ran (or lack there of), and even got into a pissing match online with the starting QB.  Then Urban came on board and Herbie was a big fan again and gushed about Urban all the time.  I really think something happened and Herbie decided he couldn't support the Tressel led Buckeyes. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Which was odd Btalbert25, because Herbie, durning his time of Slamming Tressel's Buckeyes was constantly slobbering over Pete Carroll's Southern Cal teams that were as dirty as they come.

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btalbert25's picture

Obviously, I'm just speculating, but the only thing I could figure from all that was Herbie thought his school was "better than that".  I don't know.  It was just something I observed.  He is awfully thin skinned though.  He and Tressel may have had a disagreement about something and Herbie held a grudge.  Maybe Herbie knew there were than just free tattoos going around.  I don't know, but it was pretty clear to me there was something going on. 

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stxbuck's picture

Like that means anything. I hate Clemson and Bama, but I'm not stupid enough to not acknowledge they are the 2 best programs in the country now. Besides-Herbie sent his kids to walk on at Clemson-why not raise them become twin CJ Saunders? Maybe he realized the bridges were burnt.........

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ballotboxco's picture

And St Clair Broadcasting Group is ultimately owned by ESPN, which is Owned by I believe CBS and Disney.  St Clair I believe owns the Dispatch and 97.1 and 1460, as well as many other radio stations, and several local television networks; one being fox and I am pretty sure the other is CBS.  Everyone makes money in this racket man, we sell tickets and we have a huge following;  make click bate on the one that people will tune into right?  That's why Ohio State portrayed as the villain.

Number one, win the rivalry game. And number two, win every game after that.

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JacketsBuzz's picture

Our best bet to see any of this make it to light is FS1. It would actually behoove FS to blow up ESPN's bedding w/the ACC and SEC. If college football continues to lose its parity at the current rate due to the conflict of interest that is ESPN + SECN + ACCN, in the long run it could be really sad, and harmful to the sport IMHO.

Buckeyes & Blue Jackets.

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MJTampa's picture

I don't think the OP was complaining about Clemson "cheating" to beat us on the field...I think he was complaining that the media seems a lot more interested in our possible transgressions than in theirs (or anyone else's, it seems). It's a fair point with possibly an obvious answer (SEC/ACC/ESPN business connection). And it's a shame, because it matters. It cost us a national title game against Notre Dame in 2012 (and gave Alabama one), it cost us a head coach and possibly a spot in the playoff last year (I know we had a bad loss, but we also were radioactive in terms of PR), and who know if it has cost us any recruits, but it may have. 

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gobucks96's picture

I'm sure if you paid them, none of this would happen again...

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tcm1968's picture

So Gary turned down $300K to go to Clemson (maybe) and instead didn't take a dime and went to Michigan? That doesn't make any sense.. it also doesn't make any sense if he was looking for a payday that OSU stayed in contact with him so long.

Go Bucks!

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Ca114fire's picture

I watched him try to scuff up astroturf like a 3 year old temper tantrum...he didnt go for an education, that's clear.

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Buckabroad's picture

Criminals should be in jail ... that's all I have to say about that … 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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Poco Loco's picture

Fortunately stupidity is not a crime.

a hard rock miner from Butte, Montana

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stxbuck's picture

If it was most fanboards would have to migrate to the dark web.

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EnonBuck79's picture

It could be a raging fire but they have ESPN to pee on it.

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Arsenal7's picture

i genuinely do not care, paying players is cool

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

We're literally the only decades dominant team in college football so we are the spotlight that every reporter wants to step into. After all, we are THE, as in et's get THEm.

As for Clem's son, well shucks. But, like 90% of southern schools, you better believe they are crooked as a snake. It's just that reporters are like foreigners down there and they aren't going to get any help from the locals. In the meantime, deny deny deny and throw in an amen now and then and it's all good. 

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soldierdad's picture

The crap that pisses me off is that Gary and mother were media whores.  Now he’s throwing shade on a straw man school.  It’s an F’n ego trip.  If he was intent on whistle blowing than name names.  Otherwise why bother.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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bucks4nuts's picture

Some ppl on this thread r triggered .. awful thread now 

"To The House"

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buckeye1976's picture

Clemson "overnight" become good. This reminds me of Ole Miss. 

I am patiently waiting for Clemson to be exposed and something like this blows up.

It's sour grapes for me as well. It's the fact that Dabo makes it seem like all of this success was built cleanly and above reproach. 

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Ca114fire's picture

All I ask is that it be given the same attention to detail as some tattoos ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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btalbert25's picture

Clemson definitely has some shady stuff going on down there right now.  Here's the thing, so does Ohio State.  I just can't imagine there being any way a kid is being offered a ton of money to go to Clemson, but decides "nah, I'll go to Columbus Ohio just for the joy of playing at Ohio State" 

I say, let Clemson do Clemson things, because if they go down, there are 3 programs on deck to be heavily scrutinized by the NCAA and we're one of them. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Haven't followed OSU and Clemson recruiting that closely, which five star sold on Clemson recruit flipped at the last second to OSU?

Sani

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btalbert25's picture

I don't know that anyone changed their minds, but hard to imagine we haven't beaten Clemson for a big recruit in the past.  Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, If a kid has Bama, Clemson, Georgia, and Ohio State on the list, I find it really hard to believe if the other 3 are having a bidding war, Ohio State wins out just because it's Ohio State and you get to go to Columbus for a few years. 

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stxbuck's picture

tOSU doesn’t go head to head w/ Bama and Clemson with a lot of bagmen target recruits in the South. tOSU went head to head w/ Clemson for Julian Fleming, but the bagman network for Southern schools isn’t there in Central Pennsylvania, and Fleming’s family isn’t interested in relocating to South Carolina. Different story if you are recruiting in the South.

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ballotboxco's picture

It's about the after opportunity as well - and yes, a kid would pass for some short cash if they believed they will have a long post career in the NFL.  Ohio State has a lot of other resources and reach than almost any other university out there.  The payment might not be now, but the after payment and access to the board of regents... that's worth the admission price.  Getting exposure to multiple billionaires and a school that will take care of you the rest of your life that's not a bad gig - some people see past the short money, others can't or won't.  I am sure Ohio State probably has some shady dealings, but I don't think it's like that.

Number one, win the rivalry game. And number two, win every game after that.

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btalbert25's picture

If what you say is true, that we offer a unique opportunity that most other schools can't offer simply because we are Ohio State, then why aren't the few peers we have as a university doing the same thing?  Would Texas be a top 3 recruiter if this really mattered to recruits?  Especially, since they have access to the finest talent in the country right in their back yard?  I also think a kid who sees the big picture as well as you indicate may actually understand how powerful being handed 300k at 18 would be for his long term future if football didn't work out.  
 

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ballotboxco's picture

Texas isn't nearly as big or as wealthy as Ohio State, nor do they turn out half as many players as we do to the NFL.  You and I will never know, and I think each persons morality is a determinant factor ultimately.  Plus honestly, in just comparison of academics-most of those schools including Clemson don't hold a candle to us.  We are a very good school.

Number one, win the rivalry game. And number two, win every game after that.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Texas isn't nearly as big or as wealthy as Ohio State...

Umm, that statement is incorrect in every metric I can think of.

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ballotboxco's picture

Because I deal in facts:

Attendance:
Ohio State has 66,000 full time students at main campus
UT has 52,000.  
Revenue:
Ohio State revenue FY2018 $7 Billion
University of Texas revenue FY2018 $1.3 Billion

Academics:

"The Ohio State University aspires to be consistently recognized among the nation’s top ten public comprehensive research universities by 2020." 
Ohio State gradation rate exceeds UT by 1% on 4 year degrees.  Ohio State has smaller class sizes and as of late has been recruiting heavily out of Harvard, Yale and Princeton.  

So... tell me again how that statement is incorrect in every metric you can think of?  Next time you decide to say something bring facts to the table, or don't come at all.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Metrics, we don't need no stinking metrics.

Sani

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Because I deal in facts:

lol OK

Let's look at your initial claim...

"Texas isn't nearly as big or wealthy as Ohio State"

Attendance:
Ohio State has 66,000 full time students at main campus

That is incorrect. The Columbus campus set a record for enrollment of 61,170 in fall of 2018. All campuses combined reached 66k in 2016 & 2017. In 2018 they had a record 68k.

If you go back a decade you'll see a steady increase in the Columbus enrollment numbers from 53-55k. That was a conscious decision on the part of the University.

Texas @ Austin enrollment in 2018 was indeed a shade under 52k and if you go back a decade you'll see that the enrollment numbers were very similar. Why is that? The University of Texas system has also seen growth but they decided to handle it differently, instead of growing the main campus they are sending much larger numbers to the satellite campuses.

The Ohio State University system enrollment of 68k? It's a fair bit smaller than the 230k+ students enrolled at the University of Texas.

I'd go farther and argue that counting heads of students is pretty meaningless unless we are going to start claiming some sort of exalted status for UCF.

Regardless, even if you one were to argue that only the main campus numbers 'count', it's still inaccurate to say that the 7th largest US public University campus isn't 'nearly' as big as the 3rd largest.

Revenue:
Ohio State revenue FY2018 $7 Billion
University of Texas revenue FY2018 $1.3 Billion

This is very much apples to oranges. The numbers for Ohio State (which is actually $7.5 Billion for 2018) encompass the entire system, including health services. The numbers you quote for the University of Texas only include the academic campus in Austin. When you include everything in the revenue for the University of Texas it comes out to $20.1 Billion.

Ohio State's endowment grew to a record $5.2 Billion last year. In Dec of the same year the endowment of the University of Texas broke $30 Billion.

Not happy with how the PUF/AUF money works in the Texas endowment system? Use the direct comparison from the Center for Measuring University Performance. Their 2016 numbers (the last year available) have Ohio State with $3.6 Billion in endowment assets. They list $10.9 Billion for the University of Texas at Austin.

Academics:

"The Ohio State University aspires to be consistently recognized among the nation’s top ten public comprehensive research universities by 2020." 
Ohio State gradation rate exceeds UT by 1% on 4 year degrees.  Ohio State has smaller class sizes and as of late has been recruiting heavily out of Harvard, Yale and Princeton.  

Now you're moving the goal posts. We can compare the academic standing of both Universities as well, but that isn't going to end well for your initial claim of clear superiority either.

Next time you decide to say something bring facts to the table, or don't come at all.

Better yet have a broader understanding of the topic at hand before throwing out a few data points cherry picked from google without context.

Yes, by every measure it is absolutely absurd to claim that the University of Texas is not 'nearly as big or wealthy' as Ohio State. That's not to say that there aren't some areas where Ohio State has a slight edge, but the same can be said for most schools in this peer group.

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High St Heismans's picture

Great Post Lute something didn't add up  but I didn't have a dog in the fight so I wasn't digging.Specially about the endowment/assets,Texas most certainly is not small potatoes

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Yeah, people don't realize just how much oil money is in that system. Texas is absurdly wealthy, and A&M isn't far behind.

One thing that surprised me when I looked at the CMUP report is just how far Ohio State climbed since the last look in I did 3-4 years previously. The research side made a huge leap to the next level.

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ballotboxco's picture

The fact is Ohio State is larger and has deeper pockets than UT.  You proved the point instead of saying - you're right.  Stop being that guy.

Number one, win the rivalry game. And number two, win every game after that.

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kiester's picture

If Clemson offered him $300k, wonder what scUM must have offered to have landed him. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Two tickets to a home game, if he bought a 20oz Coke product?

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

speaking cheating...my son and I watch QB1 Beyond the light s and this season they are covering Spencer Rattler (OU), Nic Scalzo ( UK) and Lance LeGrendre (Maryland now)  Anyway at the beginning of the season Lance LeGrendre (playing out of New Orleans discusses why he initially chose Kansas and they establish really early that he and his Mom both think it was a mistake, he did it after he tore his labrum and he said he didn't want to end up potentially without a spot somewhere so he jumped at them. His Mom was VERY vocal about it and pressuring him to stay closer to home so she could drive to all the games. She seemed to really really like the Florida schools. Anyway one night they were discussing all his offers and opening them and He would say a school and she would say no, too far. They even mentioned us and he and she both said no way too far. Lance himself even said he wanted to go somewhere fairly close to home (LSU at the time hadn't made an offer to him). she held up a Maryland envelope and he immediately said no, way too far. She agreed. The other thing that was important to her was that he chose a school that had a great line to protect her son. Well...he decommitted from Kanas early in his senior season and opened it back up and honestly all signs pointed to Florida State ( his mom liked them) and he ended up signing with Maryland...I immediately thought, how the hell did they end up getting him to commit there, I'm not saying Maryland isn't good enough to get ranked players but a kid that was from New Orleans who by all accounts wanted to stay in the south ends up there? my first thought was, wow I wonder if there was some side action to get him there. I'm not saying he doesn't want to be there but with everything they were saying in the show it seemed like a lateral move from Kansas to Maryland. He seems like a nice kid and I hope he is successful there but hmmmmm, something just seems off.  

"it matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.
GO BUCKS!!!!!

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BornAndBredABuckeye's picture

I kind of hope some NFL rookie just opens the flood gate one year and say this, this, and this school offered me money or whatever, but I chose OSU instead bc they don't cheat. Just start some shit storm on some of the top tier programs, and the random programs that suddenly sky rocketed

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stxbuck's picture

Jack Tatum said that 45 years ago. He claimed that tOSU was the only school that didn’t offer him a new car, but his mom loved Woody, so tOSU it was.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yeah, but a car back then was like the cost of a semester meal ticket now. 

Sani

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youra6's picture

I can't wait when nothing comes out of this.

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