Harbaugh: "Hard to Beat the Cheaters"

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BTBuckeye's picture

What an unfortunate name of the book for old Jimmy. OVERTIME. 

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Your version is way better than mine. I thought Overtime was a reference to his unrelenting pursuit of high school kickers. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Hey Jimmy, shit happens bum juice. 

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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iwearatophat's picture

The numbers paid are readily available.  Author of the book found them.  I found some for the B1G with a simple google search.  I think it is absolutely crazy to think that the NCAA is unaware of the amounts schools are paying out for the stipend.  You can question how they arrived at the amount they did but if the NCAA is cool with then they aren't cheating.  You can argue that Harbaugh is just trying to bring the disparity to light but he didn't have to use such loaded language as 'cheaters'.

This is just Harbaugh having a hissy.

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avail31678's picture

That was where I was going in my head too.  And you also helped confirm what I was thinking - which is that you could question how they arrived at that amount, but how could you possibly argue that amount either way.  

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Brah Zhole's picture

Whether what he's saying is true, or not, he's Basically making excuses for why his program isn't better.

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TPMBuck's picture

Ramzy, in reviewing this book, said that Rashan Gary turned down $300K of bag money to pay at TTUN. I think Harbaugh might be referring more to that than about the stipends and cost of attendance. Ramzy also talked a few Situationals ago about during the FBI sting in basketball that one of the agents recorded said Clemson has their bag money to football players very tight. A big yawn from the NCAA, but I don't think the agent was making up stories out of whole cloth.

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OzzyGuy's picture

Ehhh, I think there's some validity, here. Although, John Beilein made quite a few very deep tournament runs while still running a super clean program. So, sure, some schools will pay players and that's across multiple sports, but it doesn't define your performance.

@StephenToski

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hodge's picture

You hit the nail on the head with your Beilein comment. Comments like "hard to beat the cheaters" absolutely reek of excuses -- which kinda seems like the antithesis of Harbaugh's manifesto, to be honest. Everyone knows that there's some seedy shit w/r/t how the sausage gets made at top-tier programs (Ohio State and Michigan included, I'm sure) -- but it just seems like he can't own up to the fact that he hasn't been able to get it done. 

Normally, I really appreciate Harbaugh's candor, but here it just feels like sour grapes.

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OzzyGuy's picture

but it just seems like he can't own up to the fact that he hasn't been able to get it done.

I wouldn't go thaaaat far in regards to that comment. The context is in regards to recruiting and specifically recruiting. Take into account the academic hurdles, as well as the distance from most of the prominent "paying players" programs, and the phrase "hard to beat the cheaters" is a bit more understandable.

If he were talking about overall performance as a program, then sure, that's a big fat excuse. Despite some programs not playing by rules in terms of player payment, there are ways you can close that gap and still be an extremely successful program despite being cleaner. That was not the context here, though.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Agreed, a report came out that Rashan Gary was offered 300k to play at a school im going to assume was in the SEC. Nick Saban was an average coach at MSU, and all of a sudden he's the best or one of the best coaches in football for LSU and Bama? I hate to be that person that accuses teams of cheating, but I think it runs pretty rampant in the SEC. Thats why OSUs title a few years back as much as I hate to say it was very impressive.

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MaineStrength's picture

im going to assume was in the SEC. 

I also heard SEC, but maybe that's a knee jerk reaction because I also heard it was rumored to be Clemson.

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LCT's picture

Speak it, Jim. If there's cheating make it known.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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OSU56's picture

Laughs

Constantly at

TTUN

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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kmp10's picture

Agree, LCT. Having said that, Harbaugh worships at the altar of Schembechler and he is intent on emulating his hero down to the most minute detail. The hat, the phraseology, the abrasiveness... it's all a scripted plan. This particular quote, "hard to beat the cheaters," might as well be Bo's words coming out of Jim's mouth... and that's exactly the way Jim wants it to be taken. The two have much in common, not the least of which is zero titles among them. Like Bo, Jim says things for impact, but the only thing Harbaugh is impacting with his words is his national reputation as an odd clown who wins his share of games but never gets to hang a banner.

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LCT's picture

It is very Schembechlerian, therein lies the chickenshittery of it. "Cheating" means something -- if you throw that bomb, you should back it up.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Found an article from CBS sports that described last year how Alabama arrived at its figures, which is typical of a school. The financial assistance office follows federal guidelines to determine the cost of attendance at their school that includes tuition, housing, books, transportation , food, etc.  That is the baseline that is used to determine the additional stipend athletes receive above tuition and board costs. Alabama's tuition rose 3.5% in 2018, which is why their actual stipend number is higher than older reports, that increases the cost of attendance number. The cost of attendance figures have to be filed with the federal department of education , so they are an audited figure that the NCAA accepts. All stipends are reported to both the feds and to the NCAA.

The NCAA is who supplies the money , from the pools paid in by member schools, tournaments, TV rights, etc. for the stipends. 

Harbaugh, as usual, is simply his whiny accusatory self.  Michigan is always a victim.

I would link the article, but it had some irritating voice over bug attached to it I couldn't seem to get rid of.

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PhillyNut's picture

So the key seems to be to use really high, verifiable retail prices to set the stipend amount but make sure there are plenty of options to get their items at a steep discount when they actually go to pay for them.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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NativeSon's picture

Explains why he can’t beat O$U

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Dstacify's picture

I thought for sure the title of the book meant Harbaugh was accusing OSU of cheating and that's why he's 0-4 against them lol.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

This is my favorite play of all time.

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Darksungm's picture

My favorite bit isn't his foot tapping inbounds. It's Evan Spencer absolutely losing his mind!

Negativity is a choice.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

And he should have - that play didn't fool Alabama at all, yet he made an absolutely perfect throw where only Thomas could catch it, barely in bounds.  One of my favorite OSU plays of all time, too.

Class of 2010.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Harbaugh is complaining about something every time he moves his lips.  The whole family man, all a bunch of whiners.

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Brohio's picture

Jimmy's "let's just hire the recruit's parent/coach" loophole is now closed, so now he's Mr. Morality. Fuck this dude. Made up a job out of thin air to pay 6 figure salaries to Devin Bush's dad and Wayne Lyon's mom and hired Gary & Peppers' HS coach Chris Partridge....during said players recruiting cycles. save Peppers I might add. Oh and Partridge was a short time removed of having his Rutgers job offer rescinded due to "ethics concerns".

"Cheating doesn't happen at Michigan!"....Right. That's why all the Fab 5's banners are in a fucking desk drawer right now. 

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HINYG8's picture

How is it cheating if the amount of aid is within the rules/guidelines? Surely there is a calculator to the 'full cost of attendance'...this is just another example of the SEC paying more attention. It's like conference scheduling..we shoot ourselves in the face by having 9 conference games..and the SEC laughs at us.

UM submits their 'full cost of attendance' and the SEC teams smirk and do the same....per the definition of 'full cost'.

EDIT: Not to mention..he isn't losing to SEC teams because he doesn't' get to play them. He is losing to B10 teams..so what the SEC does or doesn't do isn't really an issue for him is it? The SEC's 'full cost of attendance' doesn't explain why he isn't getting to Indy or making it to the playoff. Why is he attacking the SEC when he is out of the game long before he has to play them?

And on fourth and one... would you believe?

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LandonTruckedCollins's picture

Hey in his defense, his players didn't think the Peach Bowl was a big deal or something like that. NY6 games are pointless /s.

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HINYG8's picture

Actually, he is 1-1 against the Gators.

TSUN beat them in 2017, lost to them in 2018..which is the first time Florida ever beat them.

And on fourth and one... would you believe?

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Knarcisi's picture

2-1. They beat Florida in a bowl the 2015 season then on the opening weekend of 2017. 

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Bunkerhill's picture

Like most in the big ten he is spring-loaded to slam the SEC first and foremost. He does not normally recruit the same talent pool as the SEC and does not play the SEC except in a bowl game. How does the SEC even enter his picture? He has signed a few guys from the SEC states that SEC schools were after also. So did he out-bid the SEC schools for their signature? Inquiring minds would like to know!

He has pulled some stunts like holding mini camps in SEC states and taking his team out of state for practice. It seems like the NCAA put a stop to some of that a few years ago. Mr Purity got his butt whipped the last couple of times he has played SEC schools in bowls and it could not have happened to a more deserving guy.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

It cannot be cheating if the NCAA is aware of it, even if schools in the SEC are exploiting the loophole. Until the NCAA closes that loophole nobody is going to stop them from exploiting it. That being said, I would agree that Harbaugh knows there is a disparity. But since the NCAA lets schools do what the SEC does why doesnt TSUN just follow suit? Seems like crying over spilled milk to me.

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

Harbaugh does have a point if hes talking about the cost of living stipend. If you had to guess, which FBS school has the highest cost of living? UCLA? USC? According to Tennessee, its them. I find that laughable

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Netbuck's picture

Schools can include the cost of travel for the student. Major cities with multiple airlines have much lower travel costs than smaller cities with less competition and flights. One reason why Tuscaloosa is so expensive. A quick search shows it being about 50% more to fly to Alabama than USC.

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osu78's picture

I'm nots so sure. I did a quick check and BHM - LAX and ATL - LAX are about the same; with ATL cheaper on some and BHM on other airlines. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

This is the TTUN narrative for the last 20 years. 

"We do it the right way and that's why we're no longer a top-tier program (side note: the "good" programs "cheat"). 

(Despite some of the things that show TTUN not doing it the right way over 20 years).  

Seriously, look at ANY TTUN board over 20 years and THIS is their NARRATIVE for being crappy, losing bowl games, and only beating OSU twice in two decades. 

The first step of recovery -- admit you have a problem.  Until I hear the Team Up North folks taking responsibility for their own shortcoming and stop making EXCUSES...I refuse to believe they're back in the top tier of football programs.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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OzzyGuy's picture

I'll disagree with you on this one. Of course, there will always be idiotic fans who point towards the reasons you described as the primary culprit of their teams misfortunes. That includes Michigan as well as other fanbases as well.

However, with the success Beilein had at Michigan, I think a lot more fans have realized that those reasons (paying players / cheating / etc) != success. At least, the ones worth listening to have realized that.

OSU has been the best they've possibly ever been as a football program in the past decade, and Michigan is only recently getting back to a level where they could be considered "great". Takes time, development, some luck and persistence. If any Michigan fan is claiming that cheaters are the reason they haven't beat OSU in forever, they're idiots, just like any other fan of any other team with that excuse.

@StephenToski

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Hovenaut's picture

I usually have a canned response ready for these...I can't find it.

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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buckguyfan1's picture

Here you go brother...

Simplify...

7-0 and a chance to go 8-0...

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Fatpants's picture

Jimmy sure loves him some sour grapes. 

PG <3 PG

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allinosu's picture

What's funny is that UM fans look at the yearly trip the football teams takes is for the benefit of the student and not a recruiting tactic. The excess camps that exploited the working of the rule wasn't cheating. Again fans think it was for the benefit of the athletes and not a recruiting tool. You can't reason with stupid.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Totally agreed. I doubt they included the "true cost of European vacation" in the "total cost of attendance" figure.

If there's one school that shouldn't complain about amount of school provided benefits it's UM.

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MaineStrength's picture

I doubt they included the "true cost of European vacation" in the "total cost of attendance" figure.

UM's overseas trips have been fully funded by private donors so it wouldn't be included.  Bobby Kotick and Don Graham paid for the trips.  Kotick is an alum, which if you've ever seen the movie Moneyball he played the A's owner and Brad Pitt's character's boss.  

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LandonTruckedCollins's picture

How is a booster paying for the team to go on vacation any different than a booster buying a kid a car or just giving him cash?

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BuckDigger's picture

This is the whole point that these clowns just can't seem to comprehend anymore since they are now so blatantly guilty of it.

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MaineStrength's picture

How is a booster paying for the team to go on vacation any different than a booster buying a kid a car or just giving him cash?

Because the NCAA allows it.  IMO the difference is one is offered to all players and those already on the roster, whereas the other is offered as a payment to get a player to join your team and only offered to the higher end players.  But, it will probably be made illegal sooner rather than later.

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LandonTruckedCollins's picture

Because the NCAA allows it.

That's all well and fine, but the NCAA also allows schools to figure their own full cost of attendance.  Harbaugh is just being sour grapes here, as usual.

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MaineStrength's picture

I hear ya man...I'm not disagreeing here, just answering your question.

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rkylet83's picture

Another day, another excuse for Michigan.  Never a shred of accountability for their own failures.

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JT Buckeye's picture

I cringe every time I see this pic posted.  I mean.. he's just a kid after all.  It's not his fault his Dad is a tool and has probably downloaded all this weird shit into his head about fear of chickens, thinking you have the best circumstances of anyone you are aware of, and a strange affinity for steak, milk and Michigan. Like yea, let's absolutely take shots at his Dad, but we should leave the kids out of it.  Just my unsolicited two cents on a completely unrelated topic.  I beg your pardon and thanks for reading. 

*Sipping the Buckeye Kool-Aid since 1995

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cledaybuck's picture

Agreed about the kid, but there is nothing weird about an affinity for steak.

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buckinmich's picture

Leave the kid out of it?  Hey, the kid is a cry baby!  (Takes after his father).  He's also the spawn of Satan.  I'm sure Hitler was once a cute baby.  Do we give him a pass too?  I hear Osama Bin Laden was his daddy's favorite child.  Do we give him a pass too?

This kid is going to grow up hating The Ohio State.  He's going to say mean, rotten things about us.  He's going to tell us how great _ichigan is!  Hell, he may even coach there as Jimmy will still be there, trying to get his first win versus the Buckeye's, and we all know that Jimmy boy isn't above nepotism when it comes to coaching hires.  Ask his brother, who never coached anywhere before being hired by his brother.

I'll give you that his mommy is a hottie, but she's a trophy wife.  Don't forget Jimmy dumped his first wife (or she dumped him).  Probably because of his drinking problem.

I don't feel sorry for the kid, and I have no problem laughing every time I see this picture.  Just like the UofM kid who is shocked when _ichigan State beats them on a blocked punt.  I'm sure he's someone's pride and joy.  Do you cringe every time you see that pic posted?  I doubt it.

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CarolinaBuck's picture

To be honest, Harbaugh's not wrong. This policy of "full costs of attendance" came out a couple of years ago and all of a sudden, Tuscaloosa, Alabama became the most expensive area in the country to live. Go figure.

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teddyballgame's picture

Isn't Michigan the only school giving free summer vacations abroad?  I mean, if it's legal it's legal.  Everyone is trying to get an advantage.

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Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

I read the book (and reviewed it today). It's not about Ohio State. Too far north.

OSU56's picture

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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bd2999's picture

If the Big Ten did the same, I imagine the numbers are better. Fact is, UM is just not able to beat those teams. I get that SEC schools recruit well for varying reasons but Michigan has a decent roster. They should not lose to Florida. Particularly a one dimensional Florida team.

Or get beat by South Carolina. It is hard to take the guy seriously. I think there are problems with the SEC though.

I know Birm I think posted a link to the recruiting budgets of colleges. Georgia is far and away the top. OSU and Alabama are not even on the list (top ten or so).

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MaineStrength's picture

If the Big Ten did the same, I imagine the numbers are better. Fact is, UM is just not able to beat those teams.

I agree, but they're 2-1 against Florida and barely lost to S. Carolina while completely falling apart in the 4th quarter.  UM has beaten the SEC as much as the SEC has beaten UM.  I think some get a little carried away with how impactful it is. 

SEC schools recruit well for varying reasons but Michigan has a decent roster

Again, I think folks get a little sensational about the SEC.  The only SEC teams to recruit better than UM are Bama & UGA after they got Kirby Smart.  LSU & UM are basically the same.  UM recruits better than the vast majority of the SEC.  I think Saban and his disciples, which include Jimbo Fisher, Kirby Smart, & Jeremy Pruitt seem to be the biggest culprits and I have no doubt they learned the system from Saban himself.  If we could just blow up the Saban coaching tree order could be restored.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

"It's hard to beat anyone who is ranked"

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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buckeyenut74's picture

What’s up with all the downvotes on things that shouldn’t be downvoted?

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Zonabuck's picture

Jay Harbaugh is on the interwebz a lot. 

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Capt. Kline's picture

I've been countering them for the last ten minutes and still haven't reached the end of present comments.

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

Hell... Jimmy isn't wrong. It's well known down here that Clemson has bag men going around and getting recruits. These "bag men" are not a part of the university but work as an in-between for the boosters/college and the recruit.

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Calibuckeyefan1's picture

Only a michigan man like john Bacon will write a book to commemorate a mediocre season... one in which they got a beatdown of historic proportions  (62-39 ... i guess that was a 'mirage'...smh )...   my gosh.. height of delusion.    

this guy also wrote a book a few years ago covering rich rod's historic  3-9 or 4-8 season or whatever the record was. lol

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aj99's picture

Yep.  Everyone look at us! We're awesome! We're at the crossroads now, baby. We've got this figured out, and Harbaugh, our promised son, will lead us to glory. Pay no attention to our mediocre record. That only happened because we're the only honest and moral team out there.

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Neilwoodgables's picture

The problem with Harbaugh isnt him saying this, it is the fact that he goes SO FAR to draw attention to himself that comments like this are immediately pounced upon by his critics as just another excuse for his mediocre coaching performance.  If he just shut the fuck up he wouldnt get such a rough ride.

Not that I care one bit though.....I love watching this goof make an ass of himself on the reg.

I Hate Michigan.

 

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OzzyGuy's picture

Honest question here -- how is he the one drawing attention to himself? This quote seemingly came from an interview with John Bacon as a part of his new book. So, he does a 1-on-1 interview with Bacon, then Bacon tweets about it / uses it to promote his work. Isn't it more on Bacon / Forbes for pulling a quote out of the book for promotion?

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Neilwoodgables's picture

I am looking at his entire body of work in front of the mic.  This quote attributed to him by Bacon is just another statement he has made in a long line of things he has said or done with the intent on keeping attention himself.. He said this because it is his weasel-esque way of deflecting criticism away from himself and pinning the reason for his team's foibles on something else.

He knew it would  be published and that he wouldnt be pushed to name names.  Why would he make the comment to a reporter when he can just float it out there with Bacon who wasnt going to do anything other than take the quote for his book.  It is vintage Harbaugh.  If you dont agree with that, thats fine.

I Hate Michigan.

 

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blu.fan's picture

I agree with Harbaugh:  it is harder to win against teams that have the advantage of paying their players. And I think it is fairly sketchy. 

Having said that, it is no excuse for Michigan not beating OSU. Don't make excuses. Right before the season, Harbaugh said:

We embrace the negative; we embrace the suck. We say, ‘OK, let's take into account the things that we've done and the time that we've lost and make it not happen again. Ever. Those are the things that we're focused on. How we came up short. I could go through a lot of the positives, but we just don't do that, that’s not what we do."

Harbaugh is consistently acknowledging failure against OSU, but also being honest that it is harder to win when the game is stacked. That isn't making excuses. It is just the way things are.

I want to be clear:  OSU has had great coaching, and that looks to continue. OSU has the most athletic and talented players in the conference, and that looks to continue. Oh, and I have no reason to believe that OSU is cheating in any (significant, non-self-reported) way. Of course I want Michigan to beat OSU, but several things are going to have to line up for that to happen. We'll just have to see.

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Buckeyes17's picture

I like you Blu, I really do. We may not like each other's schools but you are not a moron.

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buckinmich's picture

Before you fall in love with Blu, you should read some of the things he says about the Buckeye's on the Michigan site.  Can you say: Two-faced hypocrite?  Sure you can!  Just remember what happened to the woman who took in the freezing snake.  She took care of him and warmed him up, but in the end, the snake killed her.  That's what they do.

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Mostly Gray's picture

Buckinmich, you should read some of the things he says here.  He once claimed Larry Johnson and Greg Schiano covered for Jerry Sandusky at PSU so the abuse of children could continue.  When called on it, he said “I was just feeling snarky.”  Apparently Blu feels there cannot be enough child rape jokes and there are no limits to trolling.  I might add in a since deleted thread he objected to caricatures of Harbaugh’s name  where he claimed it was offensive to him but still hasn’t retracted his former comments about child abuse—Pure Michigan.

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MaineStrength's picture

Before you fall in love with Blu, you should read some of the things he says about the Buckeye's on the Michigan site.  

Care to divulge which UM site and his username?

Can you say: Two-faced hypocrite?

While I can readily admit my bias, I do make attempts to be fair in my assessments to both sides of a discussion.  That being said I know many OSU fans will disagree with my opinion on anything UM related.  But, unlike some other UM posters here I don't blow smoke up your asses to make you like me.  I provide my honest assessment the same way I'd post it anywhere else.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

On the spectrum of "yeah that is pretty sketchy" and "he's just making excuses"...I'd put it much, much closer to making excuses.  How some of those other schools down south have a much higher "cost of attendance" does seem a LITTLE sketchy...maybe I'm just not informed enough on how all of that stuff works.  What I do know is this - I look at our recruiting and...yeah, we are right up there with the best of the so-called "cheaters"...so this comes off to me as more excuse making than anything else.  

Forget beating the cheaters, he's having a hard enough time beating the non-cheaters.  Aka US.

And John Belein seemed to have a lot of success with their basketball team, facing the same kind of issue, amirite?

Class of 2010.

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blu.fan's picture

OSU is an outlier, in good ways. You are the single highly competitive D-1 football program in the north, not part of the SEC or ACC. You also, to the best of my knowledge, are the single highly competitive D-1 team IN THE COUNTRY that has not had several years wandering in the wilderness. Be thankful for your good fortune.

Meyer was very clear about keeping a stranglehold on winning, and your foot on Michigan's neck. When you get complacent as king, you can go down fast. It is easier to continue to stay close to the top. Once you have fallen down, it is a lot harder to get up.

Beilein is actually a great example and analogy to Harbaugh. Beilein did very well, but never could manage to beat Duke and Kentucky and Louisville and Michigann State. He beat them some of the time, but not regularly. And he "never won anything" (in terms of a National Championship.) Harbaugh has done very well . . EXCEPT for beating OSU. In football, OSU is similar to Duke or Louisville or Kentucky in basketball. What this means is that because of OSU's sustained excellence, Michigan is always number 2, and thus a "failure." If OSU was in the same division as Alabama and Clemson, you'd have a lot more losses in the regular season, and would be much more likely to be viewed as failing.

I love the rivalry with OSU, and think Harbaugh is bringing the Michigan team back. But to do this well, and do this right, it takes a ;lot of time and energy and a little bit of luck. Again, no excuses. That's just the reality.

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buckzilla1's picture

Michigan is always number 2.

Finally. Something we can agree on. 

Jim Harbaugh is to coaching what Lou Glutz is to Motor sales. 

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MaineStrength's picture

I agree with everything you said, and you're right there are no excuses.  OSU has been able to overcome things like key injuries (Barrett, Bosa, etc.), first year HC's (Tressel, Meyer), and road games, and UM has not.  OSU has been the higher ranked team most of the time, but it's uncanny that almost every time UM is ranked higher or within a few spots the games have been in Columbus.  Here are the last 4 times UM was ranked ahead or close to OSU and every game was in Columbus.

2004: UM #7, OSU unranked (Columbus)

2006: UM #2, OSU #1 (Columbus)

2016: UM #3, OSU #2 (Columbus)

2018: UM #4, OSU #10 (Columbus)

There is no guarantee UM would have won any of those if they were in AA, but it's still pretty unlucky the year's they are likely to have a chance it's on the road with the only exception the Tatgate year of 2011, which is about the only thing OSU has not been able to still beat UM during.  

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

You left out 2015 in AA when TTUN was 12 and Ohio State was 8.

https://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/umosu/results.htm

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MaineStrength's picture

I didn't leave it out it just didn't support my argument :)

I only included the games UM was ranked ahead of OSU or they were only separated by one ranking spot.  I did consider that year because 4 ranking spots is close, but I never thought UM had a chance to win that game to be honest.  But, if you wanna throw it in the mix 4 out of 5 games in Columbus is still pretty interesting.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I didn't leave it out it just didn't support my argument :)

At least you're honest LOL.  I think it's close enough (within a few spots like you said), but still 4 out of 5 is interesting for sure to see where those games were played.  

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OSU56's picture

Typical Harbaugh-the sleep overs, the running around schools shirt less and all the other games that he played for attention didn't work, so now let's take shots at coaches, and call other schools cheaters to get the attention and the headlines. This is the typical xichigan man. This up north mentality will always be, the personality is what it is.

Once the season starts and the September Heisman passes and the season looks like all the others, we will then begin to hear the new round of excuses and blame passed around. 

The Good news- thankfully we are not the "pure" washed up  Xichigan.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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MaineStrength's picture

Two things off the top of my head...One, it was reported that Rashan Gary was offered $300k the day before he signed his LOI with UM, which is rumored to be Clemson.  It's reported that Gary told Bacon under the pretense Bacon would not reveal which team it was however.  Two, Laquon Treadwell was long favored to UM when he had a last minute change of heart to Ole Miss.  It's hard to know specifics, but typically when there's smoke there's fire.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Zonabuck's picture

TTUN thinks every five star in the country is a heavy lean, only to blame cheating when they end up elsewhere. Whether it’s cash, jobs or other less traceable “opportunities”, there’s all sorts of shadiness that goes on in recruiting. Even Sam Webb called a Mike Weber signing day flip to TTUN mostly because, as he alluded, there were some former players and alums (likely including Witcher) who went to Mike Weber’s house during the three day dead period and refused to leave until he convinced them he was flipping. Then they got pissed and harassed him when he kept his word with OSU, and threatened to not let Urban into his school so he could route others to TTUN. Shady shit. 

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MaineStrength's picture

there’s all sorts of shadiness that goes on in recruiting

It's a little hard to tell by the rest of the context, but I think you're agreeing with me (just so long as we aren't saying nice things about UM) :)

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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LCT's picture

Someone else said it up further but didn't UM hoops have to take down a bunch of banners not that long ago?

Cheating happens. Harbaugh should let what he knows rip or shut up about it.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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MaineStrength's picture

I agree he should tell everyone else what he knows.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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aj99's picture

I would be curious to know what led to Gary walking away from $300k.  Seriously would like to know, because if one team is offering $300k, then normally the team that gets the guy offers more. Cam Newton can help with this.

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Zonabuck's picture

With their depth, I’d be surprised if it was Clemson. Gary wasn’t at the level of their DL guys. 

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Gary was the #1 recruit the year he signed, and that was about 2 years before Clemson was starting to be known for their DL dominance.

GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!

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Zonabuck's picture

Coaches evaluate the players and aren’t relying on some rankings from a guy on a message board. They already had some of last year’s draftees on the roster when they were recruiting Gary, and they likely would’ve seen some of his sputtering motor on film. Plus, Gary’s Mama ran that show, not Gary. Unless she felt compelled to stay quiet due to the terms of the TTUN offer, I think she would’ve been vocal about a cash offer at the time. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Coaches evaluate the players and aren’t relying on some rankings from a guy on a message board.

I don't think the things Gary gets criticism for, like not having a variety of pass rush moves and his sack production not matching his talent, would have been evident in HS.  HS kids are generally recruited because of their potential not because of how far along they are as finished products.  If you have the pre-requisite size, speed, strength, and athleticism, of which Gary did, they will take you and try to develop you.  Gary was the only consensus #1 since Clowney.  Don't kid yourself that everyone, Clemson included, wanted him.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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OSU56's picture

 Seriously would like to know, because if one team is offering $300k, then normally the team that gets the guy offers more.

Looks like um outbid clemson then.... oh my ...that smoke is turning into a forest fire. 

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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avail31678's picture

Didn't they hire his mom at UM?  I'm guessing that helped turn that money down, if that in fact actually happened.

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GunnerBuck's picture

He took officials to Ol Miss, Clemson, UM, Auburn and USC... 3 of those schools have at the very minimum been reported to have paid players one way or another...

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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OSUnWV's picture

Thats how Dabo is doing it , outbid everyone else .

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LW O-H's picture

When you can't give student athletes money, then take them on a free trip to another country.

 GO BUCKS!!

"The most important statistic, is the number of wins in a season".........Woody Hayes

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osu78's picture

However, that was within the rules. I have no issues with someone using the rules to full advantage as long as you stay within them.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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Rocket Man's picture

Wouldn't that be a great name for his autobiography:  "It's Hard To Beat the Cheaters"

With the subtitle "... But easy to pick a nose"

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Does Jim have a point here?  Or is this more whining and excuse-generating?

Yes 

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GunnerBuck's picture

I guess hiring coaches of HS players you're recruiting, exploiting summer camps, trips around the world funded by donors and just generally weird shit like playing shirts and skins with high school kids, sleeping over at a recruits house and just generally being a weird mother fucker doesnt help you recruit or win games... who knew.

With all that being said, this statement just proves his rope is getting short. When you start blaming others on cheating because you literally can not beat someone who has similar talent, you're 1 step away from looking for a new gig.

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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Knarcisi's picture

Tomorrow is Friday, so get it all in now. 

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HINYG8's picture

'It's hard to win when you are the only team that does things the right way and focuses on academics'.

/peek at Rashan Gary's wonderlic score/

reread Jimmypants' vent about not cheating and focusing on academics; now it sounds as real as 'I was a student at a Midwestern university and never thought something like this could happen to me. I was driving in my van and came across a stalled bus full of cheerleaders needing a ride. I asked if they had any gas money. They didn't, but had other ideas about how to pay for a ride back to town.....'

And on fourth and one... would you believe?

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saintstephen11's picture

don't stop the story. go on. what happened next?

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OSU56's picture

don't stop the story. go on. what happened next?

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Dr Winston O&#039;Boogie's picture

BO: Those who stay will be champions.

KID: Wow coach!  You stayed a long, long time.  How many championships did you win?

BO: None

Dr Winston O'Boogie

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MaineStrength's picture

In all fairness I think he was referencing B1G championships, not NCs, to which he won 13 in his 21 years.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Dr Winston O&#039;Boogie's picture

He was referring to Big Ten champions only because he never won a NC.  Had he ever done that, rest assured this quote would have been directly linked to that.  

Michigan Football...dominated midwestern colleges during the Guilded Age like no one else!!!!!

Dr Winston O'Boogie

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MaineStrength's picture

You're probably right, but if you listen to any of his speeches or sayings it typically revolves around B1G championships.  I don't recall him ever mentioning a NC.  Unsurprisingly, in Bo's era the B1G didn't fare well in the Rose Bowl.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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buckeyenut74's picture

Maybe I’m out in right field, but man he sure seems like a whiner. Just look at every game and how he whines to officials. 

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