(Penn) Live Thoughts on a New Day in Columbus

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lamplighter's picture

I was living in Kentucky when Joe B Hall took over for Rupp.  Guy never stood a chance

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Hovenaut's picture

He made sound comparisons, although I personally feel Jones is propping up Meyer's shadow as some overwhelming entity Day could never emerge from.

Time will tell.

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Nutinpa's picture

He isn't writing anything many of us aren't already thinking and concerned about, Hove. 

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PhillyNut's picture

I am with you on this. As beloved as he was for winning, Meyer had his warts with the Ohio State fan base.  Too loyal to certain assistants and players, tended to not give the younger players the chances the fan base thought they deserved, needlessly created QBGate, would go into a shell at times when things were really tight, leaned too heavily on his running QBs when he had really strong RBs, would have unexplained losses that you just did not see with Saban. I think all of those things are helping the fans to move on quicker than most thought.  Day is also going to be given some latitude given what has happened to his QB room.

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm on record, and will happily state again here -

I'm grateful for what Meyer was able to accomplish in Columbus. The timing, as unfortunate as some events leading up to his arrival was, was right for him to come in and stabilize (and improve upon) the program.

That said, I'm also happy Day is in place. I get Jones' points here, and it's foolish to think Day won't have his struggles here and there.

But I think he's going to shine in years to come, and there's no reason for me to think the Buckeyes regress on his watch.

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TomNYC's picture

I am generally not disagreeing with your comment, but It would be easy to make an argument that being *somewhat* happy to move on from Meyer would be example number 1 of a spoiled fan base ... the man is a top 5 (?) all-time college football coach who is at an age where most are in the full bloom of their prime. We as a fan base should be aware of how good we've had it, how unusual that is, and thankful for the past 2 decades with the understanding that this run of excellence, like all things, will come to some sort of an end ... it may very well be that moving on from Meyer (at an age where he's likely to coach again), accelerates the time frame for the inevitable slowing of a historic pace of winning. If/when Meyer moves on to another coaching position he will look to take "his guys" with him. Having to replace a group of guys critical to sustained all at once only ups the chances that one or more of the hires will not live up to the standard.

While it appears that Day is well-equipped for the job, just like a new starter on the team, we won't really know how good he's going to be until he's done it for more than a game or 3.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Totally agree Tom.  Urban is top TWO all-time in winning %age.  that's sort of the idea isn't it?  We are clearly spoiled.  I just think that the whole NC or the year sucks attitude is so wrong.  Its so hard to win one and takes so much luck, the people that have that mindset have never played competitive sports.

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Nutinpa's picture

I will play Switzerland in this thread and acknowledge that you, Tom, and Hove all make some strong points. 

On the other hand, let's stop speaking out of both sides of our mouths.  Yes, it's hard to win a NC -- let alone do so every year.  But the fact of the matter is, at this point in time, Clemson and Alabama are doing so with such regularity that people are debating if college football will lose its luster significantly, if the two rejoin for the title game again this year.  Good luck telling those fan bases how hard it is to win all the goods.  They'll laugh -- and as of now, with good reason.  

We can all be grateful (I know I am -- and I will always be a Tressel guy too) for what Urban Meyer brought to Ohio State and for that matter, to the entire Big Ten.  I also think it is fair to say that he hit his peak as a coach here.  Meyer was here for 7 seasons, and in "Meyer years", that is an eternity.  He peaked out and the occasional performance of his teams and his coaches brought proof that he needed to change.   Lastly, I do not believe it is a spoiled fan base who pines for a national title every year -- or at least a shot in the playoffs when you possess Ohio States abundance of resources.  You can't have it both ways, boys.  If as a fanbase we are going to celebrate and boast about Ohio State's presence (or dominance) on the first night of the NFL draft -- then turn around and have "realistic" expectations for the football season.....eh, sorry, but the two don't add up.  

I am proud Bowling Green grad of many years ago.  For good reason I have modest and "realistic" expectations about BGSU - and yes, it would be nice to beat Toledo before I die. 

Call me spoiled if you wish -- or if your vocabulary is limited, but as it relates to Ohio State, my "realistic" expectations are much grander -- and for many well-justified reasons. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I think the longer Meyer is out of the game the less likely his guys are to follow him. I'm not saying they'll forget their loyalties to Urban in less than a year, I just think that over time they'll also become loyal to Day (or whomever they're working for).

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PRO8's picture

Spoiled fan base is an easy  out ... he seems to want to blame UFM for still being around though retired as for the reason the fan base will react badly if things don't go well.... there are different levels  of spoiled fans... as we all want to win  but some will understand a loss and some will want to crucify and others who may be somewhere in between . No doubt UFM is a legend but him being here has no bearing on how Day will be treated by most... that will fall on Day and as we have seen even UFM had his many OSU fan detractors even with what he did. IOW any Ohio State coach will be under pressure no matter what the circumstance it is part of the job, how he handles it all will be how Day comes out of this and having UFM around just may be a blessing because he knows the deal, he has lived it.

He seems to be a big Cooper fan and used that as a big example ... well he chose a poor one . I think the only reason Cooper was not fired after 5 years was do to the way things went down when  Bruce was fired... so Coop really got way more leeway than most would have and why he lasted so long.

Your at Ohio State where winning is expected , BIG championships, Bowl game wins and now CFP appearances are expected most of the time.so the pressure is on but there is no way you can get around that ... it is what it is. We just had The Senator  and then UFM   show us how it is done,  warts and all.

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stxbuck's picture

He did win an NC in his 2nd or 3rd year on the job.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Picking Sparty to win the B1G East and OSU tied for 3rd? Day will already be on the hotseat if he lets that happen

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Hovenaut's picture

I didn't want to give away the details in the post, and his title made it clear he isn't high on Day and the Buckeyes this season, but wasn't expecting Sparty as his pick either. 

But it's classic Jones...he's never been afraid to go against the grain.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

If Day falls on his face the call to have Gene Smith run out of town will grow a lot louder too.

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cricejr's picture

No matter what happens some will want Smith gone. Smith has done a fantastic job as Athletic Director; the fact that people are trying to run him (and Drake...I love when people who have never attended college let alone Ohio State have such a strong opinion of this) out of town leads me to believe there are ulterior motives for this.  I would love for anyone to give me the list of reason that he should be gone and most have been for something that happened almost a decade ago.

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Bucks's picture

No issue with Gene. He's one of the top AD's in the country ... no matter what missteps have happened.

My time was with Gee, so have no knowledge on Drake. He doesn't seem incredibly well liked not just by the athletic side but some faculty/staff as well. Weren't there some significant resignations/departures directly in regards to Drake? Foggy recollection on that.

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stxbuck's picture

Hey man, you don't understand what it's like to be an 11W armchair coach/subway alum!!! Those people are the backbone of tOSU athletics. Who cares what real ADs or coaches know/think!!!!!!

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stxbuck's picture

Go against the grain or throw out crazy hottakes for attention to see if they stick-like when SI picked Arizona #1 in CFB years ago as a publicity stunt (when people actually gave a shit about SI predictions.)

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Chuckeye Buck's picture

It's one thing to go against the grain with intelligent reasoning...…..another thing to go against the grain just to...……..be (ignorant) different??

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Spartan13's picture

Quit reading at that point. Zero logical reasons to pick Sparty to win. OSU and Michigan much more talented with much better coaching staffs. PSU also has a much higher ceiling with their young athletes. Regret giving a click to a guy who’s just trying to be different.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

I would have respected him more if he had picked Indiana or Maryland.  This isn’t 2013, MSU doesn’t have the athletes or the schemes.

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HOLYbucknut's picture

 Zero logical reasons to pick Sparty to win.

Exactly what Sparty thrives on.

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Cooper's picture

I don’t think he’s entirely off base, but I also think he severely underestimates the ability of Ryan Day. He’s not wrong when saying that there isn’t a worse place to go south than Ohio State, though.

Slightly tangential, but the Michigan State B1G East title pick is borderline hilarious. What do they possess on offense that makes anyone think they can score even 14 points against the Big 3 teams of the East?

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Hovenaut's picture

Jones avoided going homer, not a shock there. PSU has too many question marks on offense post-McSorley.

I thought he'd pick Harbaugh and company, but Sparty makes for a sensible pick (veteran QB, solid defense).

Not saying I agree with it, but I get it...

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Blackcoffee's picture

Sorry, but not sorry. This is utter hyperbole. Verbosity at its worse.This is, as you say, off season so what the hell, why not? Just a writer who held his finger up to the wind, loaded down with a historical precedent, and totally missed the boat.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

there isn’t a worse place to go south than Ohio State

Haven't read the article, but the guy writes about Penn State, right?

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PhillyNut's picture

While it is one thing to go against the grain it is another to go fully over the edge.  When the rest of your buddies see MSU being at best a low Top 20 team and not one, not two, but three other teams in the division are ranked ahead of the one you pick to win it there is not much hope that so much could go wrong for all three teams to have your pick magically win the division.  MSU has to go on the road to NW, Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Michigan. The only hard game on paper that they get at home is Penn State.

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bwherbert's picture

I think the Bucks may take a step back this year, but not solely because of Day. Replacing 3/4 of the coaching staff, breaking in a green QB with no starting experience, rebuilding a defense that was god awful last year is no easy task. Even still....given the level of talent and OSU’s (relatively) favorable schedule, I’d be shocked to see them lose more than 2 games. I know we don’t like 10 win seasons around here, but given all the moving parts and unanswered questions, I would consider that a success and not be phased about keeping Day. 

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Nutinpa's picture

There is a lot of merit to your post, but I will add this:  Assuming Fields plays the entire season.......if he does turn out to be a "QB with no starting experience" and Day does lose 2 or 2+ games, the finger wagging will be intense.  The narrative will be that Ryan Day could not follow Lincoln Riley's footsteps and that Fields was way over-rated coming out of high school and not in the same conversation as Trevor Lawrence.   Comparisons are a cruel, imperfect thing.  But that are....what they are. 

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bwherbert's picture

Yeah, but Lincoln Riley had a heisman trophy winner at QB his first year, so not an apples to apples comparison. Hopefully the OSU defense can up its game enough to where Fields can have a bit more margin for error. Time will tell.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Day will also have a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback his first year.
;-{)}

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EnonBuck79's picture

It was interesting. The part about Ohio State fans being crazy is kind of funny coming from a Penn State writer (Joe bots can still be found widespread throughout the area).
I guess it's that special type of crazy is what it takes to put MSU as his B1G East pick to win outright.
They have a playbook that was pulled from Tecmo Bowl. They didn't even get the "Super" version. I rewatched the MSU game and that was just putrid offense (actually both teams were pretty tough to watch in that game on offense). I just cannot see that offense scoring enough points to cover for a defense that will have questions in the secondary. Their front seven makes it ok as that "crazy" pick.

I think it will be
1)OSU
1) TTUN (yes a tie)
3) PSU
4) Maryland (Macfarland is a difference maker)
5) MSU
6) Indiana
7) Rutgers

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Hovenaut's picture

That's the thing though, Jones is/has been fairly objective...been his calling card for some time (as an OSU alum you almost have to be to survive in eastern PA).

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

If OSU or UM end up with the same record, wouldn't the head to head result be a tie breaker?

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EnonBuck79's picture

I think the Buckeyes get caught in a game they should not lose. Northwestern or Nebraska. Thus having one B1G loss. But beat TTUN giving them one B1G loss . OSU as 1A) for the tiebreaker. TTUN 1B)

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TJ1's picture

Agree with you that he overemphasizes Urban's presence on the team and underemphasizes Coach Day's abilities and like many, underemphasizes Justin's potential impact leading the team. If the defense becomes resilient again with the new coaches, no one will care about Jones' contrarian opinions again.

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buckzilla1's picture

I read his sprawl. I remember begging for OSU to hire a kid from East Carolina University by the name of Lincoln Riley as our new offensive coordinator. We hire a guy by the name of Tom Herman. I said Riley's biggest problem was that he would let his QB go off the range and do what ever he wanted (Shane Carden) and this got ECU some losses it shouldn't have had. Turns out Lincoln Riley is doing fine taking over for a legend don't ya think? Oklahoma isn't no second rate football school. The guy we hired, Tom Herman, I still wish he would of took over here but that is because I think he is an Urban Meyer clone. I think he will win several Natty's while at Texas. I don't think Lincoln will win any at Oklahoma. As for Ryan Day? Well common sense tells me that he isn't Urban or Tom Herman but he isn't Lincoln Riley either. Maybe he is what we hope he is, a national championship coach. Thats all, time will tell not some douche bag from a Pa. Newspaper. Nice read though Hov.  

The only true worry we should have about this 2019 team is this:

Why is Sevyn Banks wearing number 12?

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Blackcoffee's picture

Tom Herman is a mensa. He'd always have been better working under someone not as smart as him, but more socially adept. He will never win a natty at Texas.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

It's like someone threw open a window...hope that fresh air will be great...no turmoil that engulfed us last year..we needed a new energy and focus on the field....well..here we go..win big ten and shut up all those pundits picking michigan to beat us...if not now when? That's their reasoning...we still have a ton of talent and its continuing to ramp up...

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CowCat's picture

The article completely misses three critical points:

1) Day is not starting with a bare cupboard. It's stocked. Not just with the players he inherited, but with all of the staff that carries over with Marotti, Pantoni, Stamper, LJSR, Studrawa, Alford, Hartline, etc. all staying.
2) Day and staff are killing it in recruiting. There is no drop-off
3) Day wasn't afraid to clean house on defense except for LJSR. That's a ballsy move for a first time HC.

The idea that Day doesn't know what he's getting into is complete hogwash. He's been around the program for over two years and he already has two fall camps and 3 games under his belt acting as HC.

We have the players. Our offense is already installed. Our defense cannot be any worse than last year. The Ferrari is tuned and ready. Day just has to turn the key.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Urban basically cleaned house on defense except for Luke Fickel and that worked out pretty good.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Everett Withers notwithstanding...

Shandy is not beer

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stxbuck's picture

He kept Jim Heacock-DL-for his first couple of seasons.

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Sunny Buck's picture

Ryan Day coached at Temple and Boston College. He also coached with the Eagles and 49ers in the NFL. Coached under Urban at OSU too so he has the feel of the Buckeye program. He also head coached three games last year. I consider that to be a pretty well rounded coaching experience. Also, he has mega talent on hand to win games.

Is he a huge name coach like some of the others? No. But, I still like our chances.

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huffdaddy's picture

I don’t think OSU fans are pining for Urban. I think most of us appreciated his greatness but were frankly pretty Ok with turning the page on the drama.

Also: Ryan Day is a good coach.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Great take here Huffdaddy.  I loved Urban, but I am stoked for the Day era.  I also love the fact that Urban is still around doing the RLW stuff.  Recruits and their families eat that up and they should love the fact that Urban is still engaged and selling the OSU brand.  

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I think we'll know pretty early what we have in Ryan Day. Obviously the schedule is going to allow both Day and Fields to get their feet wet before the competition ramps up.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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allinosu's picture

Nothing said that I would disagree with other than predictions. UM has a many questions as OSU and their coach is proven that he can't fix it. MSU could be the dark horse this year if they could just play better offense. Day is surrounded by some of the best coaches in the business and that's what really counts. If Stud earns his money this year it's NC time. If he doesn't we still won't be 3rd in the east. As the season wears on Day will find his footing more and more. Unless there is a repeat of history in Lincoln where we lose our QB, it won't be close. MSU is the first real test.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I hate any kind of analysis that basically uses past performances as a base for their predictions.  I think its lazy and usually wrong.  Clearly, they've never dabbled in the stock market where past performances are NO indication of future earnings.  Additionally, everyone on the "following a legend trope is missing a key factor:  Urban is the first legend to voluntarily leave his position.  There was no firing for cause that lent an aura of desperation to the transition.  In fact, Urban being around may actually help Ryan Day.  Since he voluntarily left, there's no threat of him coming back and therefore threatening Day's authority.  So I don't think that's a factor.

Add to that the indicators previously cited:  Ryan running last year's camp PLUS the first three games makes any other comparisons to past parrallels stupid and flawed.  And his recruiting since he became HC is lights out.  

If we don't win the east, its because someone else stepped up or Justin Fields didn't produce as expected, not because we have Ryan Day as our coach instead of Urban.

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High St Heismans's picture

What this guy thinks about Day or the Buckeyes dims in his views of Cooper.Cooper got the the benefit for far too long he goes 0-4 vs M,then ties,looses,wins and goes on another 3 game losing streak.Hell he was 0-2-1 at AZ ST vs Arizona.this guy was like Lane Kiffin screw up,move up.Hell Tressel took arguably one of the most undermanned squads in years went up to AA and won - he got it.Coop I'm sure is nice guy - so are a lot of us who never had such a gift dropped at our feet

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stxbuck's picture

Coop saved himself with the 93' team just in time, and then got justifiably dropped after the wheels fell off in 00'. Anyone calling for his head between 94'-98' was just nuts. Coaches are hired to be fired-but you need to let them prove why a reboot is necessary.

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KCAlum's picture

If OSU had not completely botched the Bruce firing, Cooper would have clearly been fired after the debacle against Air Force in the Liberty Bowl.  He would have had 3 seasons to establish himself, and after turning in the first losing season since 1966, a mediocre season in 89, then in '90, after the baffling way they lost the Michigan game and the complete turd in the Liberty Bowl, without a doubt he would have been gone if he had been hired under different, somewhat normal, circumstances. 

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stxbuck's picture

Kind of a cheap hottake, imo. Day has been inside the bubble for two years, it's not like he's walking into a new experience. I think he will do fine precisely BECAUSE he is a breath of fresh air-he isn't bringing the psychological baggage to the table that Urban does-needing a battering ram at QB as a safety blanket, or letting a 35 year old honor debt to Earle Bruce screw up the program. Any coach-Urban, Woody, Bryant, Bowden-who is ultra successful will ultimately become set in their ways, and allow the program to ossify b/c they have earned enough rope to go out on their own terms. Saban has only been at Bama for 10 years, so he has dodged that bullet.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Saban has only been at Bama for 10 years, so he has dodged that bullet.

That and once you eliminate Bama from the equation, the SEC is a vastly overrated conference.  Is Georgia-Florida-LSU really better than Wisconsin-MSU-Weasels-Penn State?  Its at least arguable.

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stxbuck's picture

Yes-Georgia-Florida-LSU are NFL factories like no other-way above any B10 school not in Columbus.

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BillShermansGhost's picture

I'd argue that those sec schools are producing the "flashy" talent in the NFL, while those B1G schools are producing nearly as many, just at less visible positions.  

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stxbuck's picture

Those schools produce tons of talent at every position except QB. IMO, any B10 program besides tOSU would be at a talent disadvantage in the SEC and there’s not much that can be done-Southern kids stay in the South.

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Nutinpa's picture

Pick your poison, but I'd rather play PSU, MSU and TTUN than the 3 teams you describe in the SEC.   

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LandonTruckedCollins's picture

I think the only one of the three described SEC teams that is head and shoulders above PSU, MSU, and TTUN is Georgia.

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Buck298's picture

This is nothing more than an article to tell the Nitty Kitties that the best they can do this year is tied for third. And if you are tied with OSU, it makes it more palatable. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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RoyMunson's picture

Article was fine, but boy that comment section was gold.

And by gold, I mean a cesspool of moronic outbursts and non-sequiturs. 

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Hovenaut's picture

The PennLive comment section (sports section) is a treasure-trove for sensible chuckles, this is true.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Good article and understandable perspective. I agree with him that MSU has a better shot than TTUN at winning the East.

Honestly, it seems like Day likes having Urban around and that’s Urban himself has been respectful. Day doesn’t strike me as a fearful, insecure person. He believes in himself and welcomes Urban’s presence. 

I think OSU may have gone undefeated last year if Day is the coach the whole time.  The offense took a step back and slowed down when Urban came back.  I think day would’ve demanded Schiano and Davis and the other d coordinators adapt faster. He respected Schiano, but Day isn’t BFFs with those guys.  

I feel like Urban coming back from suspension was actually a bigger distraction and confusion than the suspension itself.  And I think that mess led to the Purdue game fiasco. Remember the perpetual Urban headache cam? By the end, Urban was himself...feeling free knowing he was going to retire. But it took the whole season to get there with the team.

Day survived and thrived in all that, I think that majorly prepared him for taking over. I think he knows what he’s getting into.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Blackcoffee's picture

Thinkin' myself that there is no reason to bet against UM this year until...they play us. Then they lose. This just now appearance of MSU as a contender is only relevant if placed behind UM, OSU, and probably PSU.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Their defense is stout and Dantonio usually has teams that peak like every 3 years and then he starts the cycle over again... mediocre, good, contender (I’m exaggerating a little here).  

If they can get solid QB play ... Conner Cook level, let’s say ... their defense will keep them in every game. They just need an offense to be solid, not necessarily great. 

Of course, it could implode too and go the other way and they end up 7-6.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Knarcisi's picture

The comparisons are so easy, it’s lazy. Listen to Ryan Day talk for more than 5 minutes and you will find out 1) he understands the scale and monstrosity of this job and 2) he sets a bar of excellence for himself that meets that of the job. 

Yeah, it’s not a starter job, but when you have the attributes and the “IT”, you have it. I’m a huge critic. Huge. And I was very pleased that Day got this job. It was easy to envision him as the coach of Ohio State. It was not easy for me to envision Dino Babers or Matt Campbell. I’d have been livid. 

And Meyer’s “shadow” only matters to one person, Day, not some fan or writer. Sure seems like he enjoys having the shadow around. 

Since Earle left, this program has not sustained itself. It’s actually gotten better each time, under Cooper, Tressel, and Meyer. It’s not outlandish to think that Day can’t at least sustain. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I kind of feel like Dino is in the same boat at Gary Patterson at TCU in his ability to take an underdog team to the top occasionally, and he has had a couple of years recently (well, somewhat recently in CFB terms) to show for it. I think, though, that as we've continued to stockpile talent and Michigan and PSU have made significant upgrades in talent as well, Sparty's margin for error has become nonexistent. I think that this year will be the beginning of Dino's exit in that regard. You simply can't keep putting classes that rank generally in the mid 20s-30s up against top-10 classes and expect 10-win seasons. 

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AnnArborsBuckeye's picture

I think he retires after this season. It wont be a bad season for them but rather his last possible good one. With 3 more wins he'll be MSU's all time wins leader. Last good shot at a Big Ten title.

Get dumped then

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Hovenaut's picture

Fair points.

Should Sparty get Lewerke back to 100%, the remainder of the team stays healthy, the defense performs as expected I think they're in the mix.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Should be solid-to-strong defensively, but can they get turnovers on D and run the football on O? If they can, they could be that upper-tier B1G team Jones foresees. If not, I see the D wearing down. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Sorry, but this is very lazy handicapping by David Jones. His Big Ten West prediction for Ohio State revolves around one generalization about coaching history. No effort whatsoever to evaluate rosters, etc.

Jones acknowledges that talent is most important in reality, but then skips right back to his one-trick-pony theory. Here’s the thing . . . when new coaches follow legends/big winners and the cupboard is jammed with talent, the new coach usually wins a lot that first year (or two). Anecdotally, think of Larry Coker at Miami in 2001 & 2002. 

And so, in these scenarios, it usually takes a few years to gage how successful the new coach will be going forward. But the “smart money” will bet on that program in the meantime. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

That's where Day's recruiting is going to keep him from becoming a Larry Coker. After we beat them for the 02 title they ran out of top-flight talent real quick and Coker was left with the mess because he couldnt recruit like Butch Davis did. Of course I wonder how much of that was the Nevin Shapiro thing running out as opposed to Coker not being a good recruiter.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Michigan State is a good team, I can’t see them running the gauntlet of Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State/Northwestern/Wisconsin though.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Multiple factors are in play here which make the "new coach" dynamic only one of the key factors.  Taking over a program in great shape, past recruiting very high and an incoming stud at quarterback are more key than "new coach." 

Anyone know how Urban Meyer became a star in the coaching ranks?  The luck of having great quarterbacks at the schools where he moved.  Fields will not be required to be Aaron Rodgers.  He will run, hand off and make key short passes and the occasional downfield strike.  He doesn't have to fit a ball into a 5 gallon bucket from 25 yards.  He needs to rely on other play makers and the running game with a GREAT running back and rejuvinated offensive line.   

My 50 years of watching college football show that this year is not the dangerous year for Day, because this is still Urban Meyer's team.  Its the second year when things become dicey.  Day and the Buckeyes will kill it this year.  Next year is the dangerous year.  

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

2020 will still feature a ton of talent with Fields, Wilson, Olave, and a ton of talent at DB, OL, and DL. I've circled 2021 as the danger year. No Fields and most of Urban's players are gone. The team will be 90% Day's recruits by 2021 and will be affected by the loss of all the NFL draft picks that are currently on the team.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

I don’t know, man.  I mean, Tom Osbourne won multiple National Titles after replacing Bill Devany at Nebraska.  Jimmy Johnson won several once he succeeded Howard Schnellenberger at Miami.  Les Miles even won a National title after Saban left LSU.  There are plenty of examples of how the guys replacing a legend have had some pretty good success as well.  Sooo while I can remember the Earl Bruce years, I’m cautiously optimistic and hoping that we might be in for a continued run of dominance to come.

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Ohio State is fine. It is not like they hired James Franklin. 

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BuckeyeSki's picture

I felt the author looking down his nose at me the entire time I was reading that article Hove. I disagree wholeheartedly even when I take off my Scarlet glasses

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Hovenaut's picture

Having read him for some time, I give Jones the benefit of the doubt. But do see where he's propped up the usual skepticism for new coaches in Columbus taking over for an esteemed predecessor/first time HC's stepping into a gig like Columbus.

Maybe I'm biased but I too like Day taking on the challenge with vigor.

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earthpig's picture

Very valid article.  My counter is the game, and culture has changed significantly over the last 20-25 years.  The transitions was one of the smoothest I've seen, with the key cultural aspects retained.  Do I expect a perfect season?  No..  But I don't expect the meltdown that many are anticipating either..  We will no for sure once the results are in..

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Earle's picture

It's a fair perspective, looking in from the outside.  First time head coach at a place like Ohio State, Urban knocking around the athletic department and on TV, new QB, yada yada...

What I don't think he understands is the "Urban fatigue" that had affected many fans in Buckeye Nation, although that may be forgotten the moment Day makes a "bonehead" call, or the team seems to come out flat against an inferior opponent (like that never happened with Meyer), or the staff seemingly fails to make obvious adjustments during a game (or a season, for that matter).

I haven't seen anything to make me think that the job is too big for Day.  There will certainly be bumps in the road, as there are for any first year coach, but I just don't see those bumps adding up to 3rd in the B1G East.  That's Michigan territory right there, and I really don't think that is in the cards, much as our self-styled rival would like to see it.

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Hovenaut's picture

I'd be curious to Jones' take had he spent the last near three decades covering the OSU beat. Again, giving him a fair shake at waxing pragmatic, but also have a fair vibe Buckeye fans (or at least the 11W community) aren't losing their ever-loving minds in the shift from Meyer to Day.

There's a noticeable shift in coaching at the major college and professional level...the young and/or up and comer taking on that big HC role.

So why not Day? I know I'm not bothered by where he's come from or what's led him here. He obviously knows his stuff, and I'd go so far to say he looks to have the best personality/level of genuineness of any prior Ohio State head coach this side of Earle Bruce.

Again, I get Jones asking the question(s), but I'm more eager than concerned to see Day progress in the role.

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Knarcisi's picture

Hey there. Looks like the ESPN Watch app is gone and they got wise on the VPN for us overseas. Looks like I’ll need to do a subscription to the ESPN Player App. 

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Earle's picture

I have to wonder whether there is more than a little wishful thinking behind the article.  The points are valid in a vacuum, but I'm not sure anyone who has been around the program the last few years has a ton of angst over the transition.

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Knarcisi's picture

Oh yeah, there’s a lot of hope in here and other places that the king falls. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Maybe, but again willing to give Jones some slack - a nice diversion from having to write about PSU all...the...time...

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BuckIDave's picture

I haven't seen anything yet that absolutely convinces me that Coach Day won't be able to live up to the expectations of Ohio State football.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

All due respect to the writer, but nothing in this article is jumping out at me as any concrete evidence to support his opinions.  It's more or less a history lesson as to what has happened in the past when an unknown has replaced a coaching legend.  No in depth observations as to the players (you know the guys that actually win/lose games) that are on the team.  No analysis of the schedule, the strength of opponents, or matchup nightmares.  Just a history lesson based off of coaches that have been in a similar situation.  Did all of these coaches step in (after being the acting HC for 3 games the year prior with the legendary coach on staff still after running an entire fall camp) and have a talent pool like OSU currently has?  Nope.  

So cool read, good history lesson.  But using this guys logic, any time history suggests that we will fail in anything we do in life we should just hang it up and assume we are going to be disappointed.  

Also, I can't take anyone serious that picks MSU to win the B1G East this year.  Their defense is going to be great, but apparently he didn't see what they put on the field when they had the ball over the past couple of years, nor did they do anything to shake up a coaching staff that failed miserably on the offensive side of the ball.  Sadly, if OSU doesn't win the division, it's probably going to be TTUN that does.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Didn't read the article but read through the comments so I get the gist...to me, I think the game in general has changed quite a bit. 1st time Head Coaches are getting younger.  For so long the same names kept getting recycled around the sport.  Now the Shawn McVeys and Lincoln Rileys of the world come in and have instant success. The parallel comparison to Day is Riley in my opinion.  Taking over a blueblood and replacing a legendary coach...1st 2 seasons...2 Heismans and 2 CFP appearances.  Anyone thinking it will be a major step back under Day IMO is wishful thinking.  Urban wasn't an X's and O's guy, his strength was preparation and motivation.  Day seems to have both the tactical piece and the emotional/motivational piece down so far but time will tell.  

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BuckeyeNut2012's picture

I do agree with his take that Ohio State is not the place to be a first-time head coach. Hell, when I heard that Ryan Day was replaced Urban Meyer I was very weary of the decision; I'm still weary of the decision. But if recent trends have shown us anything, assistants turned head coaches can work out just fine, the most notable examples being Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma and Dabo Swinney at Clemson.

I honestly won't feel at ease with Ryan Day until he shows that he can win a big game on enemy turf. If there's any consolation for Day however, it's that this year's schedule eases its way up into the higher competition. We start the season with cupcakes, the middle of the season the mid-weights, and at the end we have the heavy-weights.

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