Season Preview Roundtable: Sizing Up a New Ohio State Season

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Ramzy is right about Landers. If he’s healthy he will wreck opposing offenses in what they are trying to do. His quickness off the ball and leverage make him a terror to try to stop. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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BuckeyeSki's picture

BB deserves his big guy TD that he was robbed of against Indiana in 2017. Needs. To. Happen

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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tGW's picture

I think a direct snap from the 1 yard line is in order. 

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Make that the 2 yard line, going for two, to make the good guys score a 70 on November 30.

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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Arsenal7's picture

he also gets blown off the ball on run plays too much for my liking

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tGW's picture

Good takes, gentlemen. How indeed does #9 not weigh at least 210 by now? Kid has a crazy fast metabolism. Rooting for him, rooting for them all. 

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Buckeye_Condor's picture

give him whatever Metcalf was eating! 

Connor Brown

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Pretty fair takes. Since camp opened I've tried not to wear my scarlet-colored glasses as much. My worst fear is the D isnt fixed followed very closely by our lack of depth at QB and RB. I think we are a bit deeper at OL than what's being led on. We could have guys like NPF, Harry Miller, and Josh Alabi as backups this year. We have to keep Fields and Dobbins healthy. 

The only game that could be a stumbling block is NWestern. No way in hell we overlook Nebraska. But that NW game has a weird Friday night kickoff, which means our team's time schedule gets all fouled up. NW groundskeepers like to let their field grass grow taller to negate faster teams. It might rain that night like in 2013 and they now have a QB in that Clemson transfer. If we lose, fine. Let it be by a FG, not 30 freaking points. No more Purdue Harbors or Iowa Debacles, plz.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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buckeye1964's picture

agreed on the defense. i need to SEE arnette, borland and werner produce on the field before i believe the defense is fixed. i also need to see fields be able to hit receivers in stride. if he ends up throwing the ball like barrett - the offense will suffer in big games.

danny

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BucksHave7's picture

Were running the table.  Our talent, staff and our schedule set up nicely for that. 

BucksHave7

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Baroclinicity's picture

I love our receiving group, and I'm surprised no one said Chris Olave. I think he picks up where he left off in the Michigan game.

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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oldebucke's picture

I agree. I hope I'm wrong about Victor, but I've just never been a big fan of his game. Guess we'll see.

If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.

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awlinBrutus's picture

We have 8 receivers capable of 3-800 yards receiving. That said wouldn’t be surprised to see receptions and yards pretty evenly distributed among Mack,Wilson,Benjamin,Olave,McCall and Hill with a little separation from the pack as the most reliable go to guy. Jameson is said to be a 2020 guy.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Triv's picture

Andrew warned us in the heisman prediction article that some staff members were picking Michigan to win the conference this year.

I am pleasantly surprised to not see that prediction here.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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Bucks62's picture

Those people should be fired immediately. 

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Extramedium's picture

Not only for picking TTUN, but for their apparent lack of college football knowledge in general

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

It’s 9 days until kickoff and Xichigan stills sucks.

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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ZachBuckeye5's picture

The only real question marks I have are Justin Fields and the LB’s. If Fields can play at even an All Conference level, and the LB’s can fill the right gaps and not allow 60 yard gains, we could run the table

Buckeye fan in the heart of Badger territory.

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buckeye1964's picture

agreed. i'm hoping this newly put together o-line will gel sooner rather than later. also, the game where we'll be on the road and down 10 is where we'll find out about fields.

danny

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Hovenaut's picture

Bold flavors.

I like it - all the hype (justified) without any of the "new guy, new staff, new QB" concerns (Ohio State should...should I say...settle in quick).

For me, it's the offensive line - as soon as they find their chemistry, the sky is the limit. Why not Ohio State, with said "new guy, new staff, new QB"?

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

The schedule certainly will help Fields and the defense work out their "bugs". You guys don't play anyone that will give you any kind of game until Nebraska in what week 4?

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USArmyBuckeye's picture

Gaaahhhh!!!!!  I need a time machine!!!!  Sooooo close but soooooooooo far

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buckeye phi's picture

I think David is spot on when he says:

If Justin Fields goes down it's lights out for the season. 

However, I think we have a little more depth on the o-line than he apparently does.  I'm actually a little more concerned about our depth at running back. 

As they always say, "it's a long season".  But I really like our depth at pretty much every other position.  Therefore, I'm with those predicting a B1G championship and potentially, a return to the playoff -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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Montana silver bullet's picture

I don’t think David has been paying attention. This is the deepest we’ve been on the Oline in years and years. A bonus is that Bowen can play guard and Jackson can play center on top of Harry Miller surprising with his advanced development. Alibi and Petite-Frere both as backups too.

Montana Silver Bullet

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buckeye phi's picture

Yep.  I'm with you, Montana Silver.  I believe we're pretty much two deep across the line.  That's ten guys in which the coaches have high confidence.  I doubt there are too many teams in college football that can say that . 

Good point about the versatility a few of our guys have, too -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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awlinBrutus's picture

Should be able to trot out a 2nd OL like we did in 2005. The 2 deep is packed with top talent trying to get on the field. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yep, you beat me to the punch. This is maybe the deepest Ohio State OL in decades. They have 9 guys that can play, with many of them being versatile. That number goes to 10 if you include Harry Miller, who seems to be very advanced for a frosh. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Can anyone tell me who Clemson's back up QB is?

BucksHave7

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NorthBerg's picture

Why, that is Mr. Chase Brice, just a four star recruit. Pfffft!

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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dgrimm_6's picture

I am around Clemson fans all day and they say "Chase Brice is good enough to start for all P5 teams except OSU, Bama, UGA, OU and Clemson." That is verbatim.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Thank you for the interesting and informative Roundtable. I think Ohio State goes 14-1 or 15-0. The talent is unquestioned and the energy with a new coaching staff will help push this team to great levels. 9 Days!

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FeedZeke420's picture

I agree talent wise there is no reason this team shouldn't be in the playoffs. The one thing that would derail that is injuries particularly at QB or to either of the #2's. I also think our boys are sick and tired of being left out because of losing to a team they had no business losing to. I think they will lock in on every opponent and not take anyone lightly. Young head coach ready to make his own name, experienced 4 and 5 star players with a couple years under their belt, big ten is going to be down this year IMO, new staff, fresh start. This year should be playoff appearance at a minimum, I'm not going to say undefeated because that is extremely hard to do, but playoffs for sure. 

Go Bucks!

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216ToThe614's picture

Who wouldn't want to see what this guy can do at MLB?

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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aj99's picture

Wow! A lot of unbridled optimism being tossed around. I see plenty of reasons to be cautious, but few reasons to be optimistic. Here's the actual truth that everyone is glossing over.

1. We have absolutely no idea how Fields is going to work out. None. We have no clue. He's unproven and what we do know tells us that he is having some issues with the offense.

2. The coaches are raving about the same linebackers we all saw pretty much screw it up last year.

3. We're depending on a head coach with 3 games of experience.

4. We're trusting in a new defensive coaching staff to install a scheme that works.

5. We play our rival in the final game of the season at their place. We have no back up qb. They have two excellent qb's. If their zany coach can pull his head out of his butt for a couple of weeks this year, then that's going to be an interesting game.

6. Our schedule is, well, it's dicey.

7. Everyone's overlooking MSU sandwiched in there between Nebraska and Northwestern.

If we run the table then it will be one of the greatest feats of QB and coaching in history. 

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ZachBuckeye5's picture

Our rival has 2 excellent QB’s? I mean Patterson isn’t a scrub but he’s far from excellent 

Buckeye fan in the heart of Badger territory.

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aj99's picture

The stats (65% completion and something like 2,800 yards) and September Heisman experts disagree with you. I think he has some personality/team issues that are going to come up this year. He's legit. McCaffery is legit as well. We don't have that yet. Everyone keeps saying we're going to the playoffs, but we have some significant hurdles to get over. Not saying we won't do it, but I think we need to tap the brakes a little bit and see how we look during September. If crush the Huskers, then it's go time. If we struggle, then look out.

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ZachBuckeye5's picture

Since when is throwing for 2,600 yards and 22 tds considered “legit”? That screams above average QB to me. 

Buckeye fan in the heart of Badger territory.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I'm not even a big Patterson fan, i'd like to see McCaffrey start as I think his field vision and pocket awareness is much better. With that said, Patterson's numbers were pretty good when you consider the archaic offense Harbaugh was running. Patterson this year has the luxury of one of the most talented and deepest WR group Michigan has ever had, and also 4 returning starters from a pretty good OL. If he doesn't play well in a scheme he's more comfortable with then i'd consider him a bust.

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CincyBuck's picture

Man, talk about pissing on a parade.  While you might be correct about the excessive optimism, you're swinging a bit too far in the other direction.  Point by point:

1. It's reasonable to assume that Fields will be, at worst, above average.  Those who are proclaiming him the next Haskins-level passer are premature.  But, clearly, he can both run and throw.  That's probably good for 9-10 wins at least.

2. True.  But...  Bill Davis.

3. True.  But he does seem to have an innovative offensive mind and he's done well so far.

4. I have a lot more trust in that than I did the prior defensive staff doing...  well, anything.

5. I wouldn't say Shea is "excellent," though he is good, and I doubt both of UM's QBs will be on the field at the same time, so the "two" doesn't really matter.  And the "if" regarding Harbaugh is a pretty big one -- see, UM's record against us over the last decade or so.  Agreed we're in trouble if our starting QB goes down -- as is the case with pretty much every team in the country.

6. How so?  If anything, I think the schedule lines up pretty well for us to have some hiccups early on without suffering a loss.  UC's a fine team; but we can beat them without our "A game."  The back end of the schedule will be challenging -- as it usually is.  You have to play against good teams to win a championship.

7. Who is overlooking MSU?  

Not saying we'll win the Natty.  But every team has its issues.  We'll see how they play out.

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buckeye1964's picture

i'll throw one more thought out there: even if we are good enough get through the big10 and make the playoffs, i PRAY that the team is good enough to compete with whoever they meet in semis/title game. i don't want to endure another "paper tiger" osu team getting wrecked like that 31-0 embarrassment against clemson.

danny

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aj99's picture

I hear you. And yes, perhaps I was a little to "Negative Nancy". But there's a huge difference in being able to throw and being able to throw to the right guy. What we have heard is that he struggle at GA to learn offense, and that he continues to struggle with ours. 

I agree wholeheartedly re Harbaugh. The guy isn't right in the head, and he's going to kill their season by interfering with play calling and QBs. But if he keeps it together with the new coaching staff for the last game, then it's going to be a toss up. Last I heard, they were still favored to win that one.

I don't like the schedule, because we don't get tested until we travel to Nebraska. I think they're overrated, but that's heck of a time and place to start tweaking the line backers. I think that's a bellwether game for us.

I think everyone in the article is overlooking MSU. I think they beat UM and I think they're a tough match up for us if things don't go the way we would like to at Nebraska.

I'm a risk assessment guy, and I see a lot of risk this year, and everyone seems to be like "Nah, we have Fields, and  Marrotti is still here. We're going to be fine."

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Gflbuck's picture

What we have heard is that he struggle at GA to learn offense, and that he continues to struggle with ours.

I keep seeing some post this on message boards but I've yet to see an actual article (so if you have links much appreciated).  If it's referring to Day saying things like: "He's not where he needs to be yet..."  I just read it as coach speak motivation.

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brothadudeguy's picture

I was thinking the same thing. Everyone always says Fields is struggling to learn the offense but there has been no evidence to suggest that's the case. In fact we have hear over the spring and summer how well he has done at picking up the offense. What's all the doom and gloom for?

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MercyTex's picture

Depending on 18-22 year old men is risky.  That’s why being a fan is fun. It’s more fun to be a Buckeye fan than just about anywhere else. This may be a very special year or at worst a very enviable 3 loss team. 

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Somewhat agree on Sparty. Everyone knows their defense will keep them in every game. But their offense from the players to the coaches are pretty bad. This is not the Connor Cook or Kirk Cousins led offense along with that great defense. They would need to stay healthy obviously, and Lewerke would have to improve vastly for them to threaten in the East in my opinion.

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BucksHave7's picture

1. We have absolutely no idea how Fields is going to work out. None. We have no clue. He's unproven and what we do know tells us that he is having some issues with the offense.   Top recuit ever mean anything, something, a little bit?

2. The coaches are raving about the same linebackers we all saw pretty much screw it up last year.  Reason why the coaches are gone.  Did you watch games last year?

3. We're depending on a head coach with 3 games of experience.  What does that mean?

4. We're trusting in a new defensive coaching staff to install a scheme that works. Yeah, you know better than all them I guess?

5. We play our rival in the final game of the season at their place. We have no back up qb. They have two excellent qb's. If their zany coach can pull his head out of his butt for a couple of weeks this year, then that's going to be an interesting game.    You didnt look at TTUNs roster losses?

6. Our schedule is, well, it's dicey.  LOL.  What does this even mean. 

7. Everyone's overlooking MSU sandwiched in there between Nebraska and Northwestern.  Its B10, every game is tough.

If we run the table then it will be one of the greatest feats of QB and coaching in history. 

BucksHave7

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DCDDC's picture

Keep in mind everyone, that Urban hand picked this new coaching staff after recognizing last years weaknesses.  That includes Day.  I find some comfort in that myself.  And I feel the defense has a bit of a chip on it's shoulder after the embarrasment they endured with last years schemes.

8 more days and a wake-up.  WOO HOO!

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DCDDC's picture

Okay I know Day picked some new guys too but urban was in on all of it, i'm sure

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tGW's picture

1. I have an idea.

2. Not the same.

3. A 3-0 HC.

4. I'm trusting the entire coaching staff since you, I, nor anyone else on here is on the coaching staff.

5. Really? "Just more starters". So Fields playing sparingly is unproven but a trial size dose of McCaffery  is excellent? The Game is always interesting. 

6. Dicey is defined as potentially dangerous. WE ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. 

7. No one is overlooking anyone on 8/22.

You're holding on too tight, Cougar. I'm going to enjoy the season, 15-0 or not. 

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brothadudeguy's picture

1. Highest recruit in program history. That counts for something. Also elite 11 scouts said he outperformed Trevor Lawrence (heard he was pretty good). Also said Fields was the best player they had ever seen at that age, ever. ALSO THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SUGGESTING FIELDS IS STRUGGLING WITH THE O.
2. We got rid of Bill Davis and an absolutely atrocious scheme. They should improve. How much is a valid question.
3. This is true but he has shown nothing but competence in literally everything he has done and all the moves he has made. Also hes still calling plays. That's a great thing.
4. Is that a pro or a con?
5. On the road will be tough. Agreed. They do not have 2 excellent QBs. They barely have one good one. If anything TTUN has way more question marks than osu when it comes to their defensive losses (players and coaches), a new OC with zero experience, and running back.
6. Our schedule is deceptively tough but there should be enough tune up games to get us ready.
7. Nobody is overlooking MSU. Plus that's a night game in the shoe and a blackout. Need I say more?

With this being the most talented roster OSU has ever had, I really don't think a playoff prediction is far fetched.

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WPB-Buckeye's picture

Think about what you are hinting at here, Fields > Lawrence.  So are you saying GA doesn't know how to evaluate talent or are you saying GA willingly didn't want to make a Natty run with a guy who is better than the guy who won a Natty?  I just think we need to see the kid play first before we say he is a star.  Apparently he wasn't star enough in the GA staff eyes to start him.  I haven't been following like I should be but has anyone on the team gushed about Fields in their interviews?  From my point of view everything is based on his ratings in H.S.  In the end I hope he is better than everyone hypes him to be but I've seen the hype train before. 

Go Bucks!

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aj99's picture

I keep saying we don't know anything about this kid. But no one wants to hear it. I hope he kills it this year and we go 30-0 while he's here, but for crying out loud no one, absolutely no one, who's seen him at practice is even hinting at that. So let's just cool down and see how he does.

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BucksHave7's picture

Seriously.  Have you watched Fields footage or do you just base your opinions on your own opinions?    The kid is literally off the charts and came in younger than a proven starter on a very good team.  

BucksHave7

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Keep in mind that Michigan has always struggled to contain a running QB. Maybe they'd have a better shot to beat the Buckeyes if the game was played in September, but by November I think Fields will be playing at a very high level.

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brothadudeguy's picture

I never said he was better than Lawrence. I said he outperformed him in one offseason workout. I dont believe fields is better right now but I feel that hes on his level. He just needs experience. I also cant stand the "fields didnt beat out fromm" crowd. It makes no sense. Are we automatically assuming the competence of the Georgia staff? Sure they are winning games but they have ridiculous talent also. We have seen the Georgia staff making questionable decisions (fake punt).

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Earl_Bruce_Era's picture

1. Our sample size with Haskins was similarly limited.

2. Fair point. A turnaround will be credited to coaching and scheme

3. Irrelevant. Plus one of those game (TCU) resulted in outstanding adjustments at half time against we lost Bosa

4. Fair point

5. I'm not buying they have two excellent qbs. Aside from JT's tenure, name me a time our second string qb had to play anything but mop up against TTUN

6. you say dicey, I say challenging

7. Guarantee you that Ryan Day will not overlook Sparty

Earle_Bruce_Era

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DCDDC's picture

Troy Smith was 2nd string behind Justin Zwick.  I think Smith was the starter by the time the Bitchigan game.

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tGW's picture

Yes, Troy started after the Iowa loss in '04, IIRC.

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ibuck's picture

Wow! A lot of unbridled optimism being tossed around

Yep, that's what often happens in fan forums.

Let's not bee too hasty. I am reserving judgment until I see them play vs FAU. Lots of new pieces that need the wrinkles ironed out, like new HC, new QB, new OL, as well as penalties. Can they consistently focus and play hard? As a team? And stay healthy?

If yes, great. But show us.

Then we'll see vs UC, who—you may remember—just missed a go-ahead TD in the waning moments of 2002, when the Bucks won the natty.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Don Brown has taken alot of heat for the end of last season and rightly so. However if you look at it statistically Michigan's defense has been in the top10 every year he's been there in most of the categories. Harbaugh's offense on the other hand? Never better than like 43rd nationally. This is why I think MAYBE Michigan can turn a corner and actually do something IF Gattis offense is aggressive. Until I see it on the field consistently i'll remain skeptical. This illusion at Michigan that you have to be a run first power offense is a big factor in why Harbaugh is 1-9 vs Top10 competition. I'm not saying they'll throw it like Haskins did last year like 60 times in a game, but Patterson better be attempting at least 30-35 a game. I hope along with that aggressive philosophy is a mindset that when Michigan does have a lead in a big game, they don't sit on it to run clock. I can't even count in my lifetime the games they have lost going ultra-conservative with like a 7-10 point lead.

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jasonooliver's picture

These guys dont know anything. Bunch of team up north fans. Good thing they went there for writing.

Jason

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LouBuck35's picture

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Smudman's picture

David is smoking Crack if he thinks the Buckeyes can get to the CFP with 2 losses!  My book, were going 13-0, headed to the CFP!

Our Honor Defend we will Fight to the end for O-HI-O!

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brothadudeguy's picture

He meant we lose one in the regular season and then the second loss comes in the first round of the playoff.

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CincyBuck87's picture

Can’t even get to the playoffs with one loss. No chance. No quality non-conference opponent and a general lack of respect. Gotta win them all. 

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CincyBuck87's picture

Nice piece. A lot of talent there. I am optimistic (13-0) but, any loss knocks them out of the playoffs.  Unfortunately, the B1G doesn't get any respect and the lack of a quality non-conference win will penalize the Buckeyes. Need to run the table, which is ok, cuz they will. 

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Cooper's picture

12-2 sounds about right. They’ll drop a close one against Northwestern and win the B1G. I don’t like their chances against Bama or Clemson is the playoffs, though.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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ep's picture

You had me at "Cornbelt Braxton Miller".  

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Sunny Buck's picture

I don't know why everyone is so worried about Northwestern. We play MSU before them and have 13 days (bye) to prepare for the Wildcats. By that point of the season, Fields should have most of the kinks worked out, as should most of the team.

The grass will be too high? It will be high for NW too and much of their offense is rushing. The grass won't be too high for our QB to run around their relatively slower defense. They also don't have near enough defenders to cover the Buckeye receivers. Also factor in Dobbins and his backfield buddies to do damage. I might be wrong but NW should not be a loss.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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DCDDC's picture

I'm with you S B.  I'm more worried about Sprty than anyone on the schedule.  I also hope Cincy doesn't make us look too bad in the 1st half.

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NorthBerg's picture

I am surprised the panel was upbeat after what seemed to be a summer of publishing lower expectations.

My take being an admirer of olde 8-3 Earle Bruce, is that the Bucks finish 11-2, miss the Big CCG  on a tie breaker to Sparty. The Bucks do beat Michigan and win their NY6 bowl game. I am looking forward to a exciting balanced conference race. 

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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ibuck's picture

 olde 8-3 Earle Bruce

Don't discount Head Coach Earle Bruce: except for his 9th (last) season at OSU, he never led the Buckeyes to fewer than 9 wins.

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Bukirob's picture

I dont know what David is smoking but the OL is the deepest its been in over a decade.

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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NOBLUE's picture

No way OSU makes the playoffs with one loss.......

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BuckNutsinIndiana's picture

fwiw, i went to the Iowa debacle 2 years ago, the Purdue disaster last year, this year i have plans for NW. If they lose this one my son will have to finish watching the Buckeyes in every BIG stadium by himself, maybe take his mother.

I dont often hate, but when I do...I hate _ichigan Wolverines. Stay victorious my friends.

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stpetebuck's picture

Ramzy is dope. Even in round table 

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Chicago Connection's picture

I was pleasantly surprised to hear two of the elevenwarriors staff parting ways with their national media counterparts per being as bullish as I am about the Buckeye's National Championship prospects in 2019, which most of the country not only is overlooking, but somehow doesn't even seem to register as an actual possibility.

Kinda like in 2014.

Apparently, only those close to the program know what we've really got on our hands, which is a nice place to be. The groggy Network mouthpieces will get on the ColumBUS soon enough, although it might take them all the way to December to wake up.

I'm just glad to hear some people 'get it'. Meanwhile, outside of Columbus....

The Buckeyes are perceived with some strangely warped lenses.

Thing is, they're not really underrated at all, because most of the college football world sees the Bucks as serious playoff contenders, just as plenty of them equally see the Buckeyes possibly losing two or three games, mainly owing to the question marks surrounding a new coach, as well as a new QB, on top of a rebuilt defense and offensive line, all of which are legit concerns, HOWEVER...

I'm yet to hear a single national expert frame OSU as a serious threat to win it all, which is sorta odd given that most of the blowhards believe that a playoff appearance not only wouldn't be surprising, it's even fairly predictable (that is, for those experts not putting their money on TTUN).

One might ask, why is there such a clear limit on the perception of how far the Buckeyes can go in 2019?

Well, a consensus narrative largely accounts for this--i.e., nobody in college football is on the same talent and/or performance level of Alabama, Clemson or Georgia, even though most onlookers will readily (if vaguely) acknowledge that the Buckeyes enjoy relative talent parity or thereabouts.

That said, while there's a routine tip of the hat to the Buckeye's talent level, nobody notes that this year's squad happens to be THE most talented Buckeye roster on paper since, well, actually, it's the most loaded this century, if not ever, and in fact, the team has the nation's highest ratio of 4 and 5 star recruits.

I'm guessing that most of the experts (who tend to be shockingly ill-informed when it comes to these sorts of details) are entirely unaware of this fact, or, even if they've heard of such things, they dismiss it as irrelevant per their belief that the Buckeye's 'unknowns' surpass its talent, including, most especially, the problem of replacing Fields if he's injured.

Fair enough.

As if replacing an injury to Trevor Lawrence, Tua Tagovailloa, Jake Fromm, Jalen Hurts, or Joe Burrow will be a piece of cake for Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma or LSU, right?

As if every college team doesn't need to rebuild itself every year, such is the nature of college football.

Nonetheless, to be sure, the Bucks will need Fields to be healthy (and great) for most of the year; the defensive staff will need to be a major upgrade vs. last year's disaster; the O line recruits will need to live up to the red-carpet reputations that preceded them; and vets like Cooper, Cornell, Borland and others will need to take their games (and leadership) to the next level, or at least 'just enough," but...

IMHO, realizing every one of those goals is far more likely to happen than not.

In short, yes, the Buckeyes are vulnerable to having their worst year since Urban Meyer arrived on campus, and yet, at the same time, they're equally poised to have their best year since their National Championship. I also think the chemistry and focus of the team is just right, all of which is good news for a team that has averaged about one loss per year over the past seven years.

Not bad.

In fact, that record is pretty much as good as anybody in the country, save for more Natties.

In summary, there are lots of certifiably rational reasons why this team will be the best since 2014/15, bearing in mind that the word RATIO is the key to discerning what's RATIOnal and what isn't.

This leads to following rhetorical question: Given that OSU loses only one game each year, what should we expect to happen when a one-loss team is significantly improved and plays up to its potential when it has the highest ratio of talent on its roster this century, if not ever?

You don't need to answer that question.

Like I said, it was rhetorical.

In case you haven't noticed, the rhetorical response to the notion of Ohio State winning a National Championship now tends to include the assumption that Fate has forever consigned the Buckeyes to losing to a sub-par team every year, and worse, by a whopping margin.

We''ll see about that.

But, hey, I'm all for it if the rest of the country wants to sleep on the Buckeyes just like they did in 2014, or if it wants to pretend there's a law somewhere that says 2019 absolutely must, and shall, rhyme with 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018.

The pundits and odds makers snoozed on Zeke, Joey, Cardale and company all the way up until the morning after the Buckeyes anvil-crushed Wisconsin, turning them into a convenient playoff platform for subsequently curb-stomping media faves Alabama and Oregon.

Personally, I'm fine with waiting until January to watch the experts fumble over themselves as they attempt to deconstruct all of the obvious things they missed back in August. As for the few, the proud, and the many in this forum who are 'in the know', we'll have just one question:

What part of THE MOST TALENTED TEAM IN OHIO STATE HISTORY didn't you get?
 

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

My guess would be pundits are skeptical the Buckeye defense will play championship caliber football. That and the unknown of how Fields will play its understandable. What I don't understand, is how Michigan is predicted to get to Indy, playoffs etc When they have question marks as well as being less talented overall than the Buckeyes. Charbonnet could be a bust or get hurt, and we are supposed to believe Tru Wilson would carry the running game? Michigan is thin on experience in the interior of the D-line, and they still have a secondary that doesn't really play the ball in the air very well. Michigan's defensive weaknesses might not be able to be exposed though until the Buckeyes just like last year because the Big10s offenses for the most part don't have the skill at reciever to do what the Buckeyes did.

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Chicago Connection's picture

All true, Mooblue, and I think these predictions are based on the assumption of the Law of Averages kicking in--the notion that eventually, TTUN has to win one of these games, right?

The trouble is that the prediction falls into the category of the Gambler's fallacy more than the Law of Averages. Thing is, the latter law basically holds that 'all things being equal', eventually, the most likely outcomes will occur, and do so in equal proportion to other equally likely outcomes.

The problem is that all things aren't equal between OSU and TTUN, as we've both pointed out. The talent on the respective rosters still isn't equal; the culture clearly isn't on the same level; and one side has persistently demonstrated  a clear schematic edge on the other.

That's why I think the Gambler's Fallacy is more applicable here. As you might know, said fallacy occurs when a gambler keeps doubling down on a bet despite the fact that the odds haven't improved every time he plays.

For example, if your odds of winning at a roulette wheel in Vegas are 1,000 to one, then just because you lost the last time you played doesn't mean you'll have a better shot next time. The statistical fact is that every single time you or anybody else lays down your bet, the odds remain 1,000 to 1.

Yes, that does mean that eventually, there will be a winner one out of every 1,000 times, however, given the 1,000 to 1 odds, the chances are just as likely that you might not win after 5,000 chances as on your next throw.

In other words, ironically, it's actually the Law of Averages says that--on average--someone will win once every 1,000 tries if those are truly the odds, and it's a matter of random chance as to when the win will occur.

Mind you, I'm not suggesting that TTUN's chances of winning are 1,000 to 1, but what I am saying is that their chances of winning haven't improved whatsoever just because they've lost nearly every game against the Buckeyes this century. In fact, this fact alone is the best possible predictor that TTUN is more likely to lose.

Granted, they have a home game, an new offensive scheme, and a slightly improved talent, however, the off3ensive scheme is unproven and might take time to develop, and their slightly upgraded talent is relatively unproven, and more importantly, it's offset by the fact that they lost a lot of experienced players.

When all factors are considered, their chances of winning might be marginally improved because of playing at home, but this would make them anything but favorites. It's kinda like, gee, maybe the Buckeyes will be favored to win by 7 or 8 points instead of 10.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I agree, and it's not just an OSU problem. Obviously that game is magnified, but Michigan against any Top 10 team under Harbaugh is 1-9. I said this in another post, Harbaugh's offense statistically hasn't cracked the top40 since he's been there. If Gattis truly makes this an aggressive pass first offense, with the WR weapons Michigan has, then I don't think it's ridiculous to say they could get to Indy. I'm still not convinced that Harbaugh will have no say in the playcalling, even though that's all we've been hearing. I want to see Michigan get a lead in a big game whether thats Sparty, ND, or OSU etc and continue to be aggressive instead of going into ultra conservative mode and losing.

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Schizo's picture

The critical question goes unanswered. Are we still going to have "Jim Tressel's Least Favorite Moment" or are we substituting "Urban Meyer's Meltdown Moment"?

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Exile's picture

Ramzy won this roundtable on the first question: "...despite his inability to gain a single pound of productive weight in a strength program run by Mickey Marotti." If that isn't all the indictment of a player that you could need, I don't know what is. 

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