Fields' Camp and Practice Performance

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LandonTruckedCollins's picture

Theres been a lot of questions asked in other forums and articles, but as far as I have seen, there hasn't been a real great answer posted.

Hopefully we get some in this thread.

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avail31678's picture

I asked in one of the Camp Update articles if Dan or Colin, who have been at the allowed media times at camp, how Fields looked.  Not just that he's been taking most of the reps with the first team, but how has he looked.

Colin or Dan responded and said it's hard to see a lot because A) they're trying to watch all the position groups and make observations in about 40 minutes and B) the QB's were usually throwing far away from where the media was allowed to be.

But Colin or Dan, can't remember which, said Fields without a doubt had the best arm. So take that for what it's worth.

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avail31678's picture

It was Colin, and my comment/his response is about 1/3-1/2 through the comments.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/08/105912/observ...

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Snake64's picture

Having the best arm and being the best QB are not the same thing. Jay Cutler had a cannon of an arm but he was a garbage QB for the most part. Same with someone like Matt Stafford. Big arm is nice but it ain't everything

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Zonabuck's picture

Chad Henne is probably the best example here. 

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theopulas's picture

Having the best arm is what is required as a professional, and those guys started where ever they went because they had a big arm. Maybe their team wasn't good enough, but a big arm always starts over a not big arm!

Theopulas

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Snake64's picture

Not a requirement. Not every good to great college QB or pro QB has a cannon of an arm. It certainly helps but sometimes "Game Managers" are better than the guy with a rocket arm because they know how to get the ball where it needs to based on the defense. Best example is TB or Russel Wilson. Neither has huge arms but they're more than capable and better than 90% of us out there but it's there understanding of the defense and playbook that can really kill teams.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

If Fields is lighting it up Ryan Day isn't going to broadcast it because he wants Fields to keep a level head about things. Same reason Urban always downplayed things. 

If Fields is stinking it up Day isnt going to broadcast it because he knows it will be a distraction to the team when the media and fans start bitching at him even before the season starts.

Again, I have a very difficult time imagining Ryan Day knowingly brought a mediocre QB into our program to be the starter. Being that Fields and Haskins had previously trained together it means Day has been evaluating Fields for at least a year now. Now all of a sudden he sucks? I dont think so.

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burger1124's picture

Definitely. I think we're all in agreement with you, and fwiw I don't mean to suggest that I think Fields is bad. I'm just kind of surprised that in addition to the silence from Day, we also haven't really heard anything from any media members.

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

One comforting thing (to me personally) is that these questions loom every year...

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Clarky's picture

Under sell and over perform. 

"If Chase Young is truly bigger than I think he is and taller than I think he is, he would probably have to be the literal Predator because I've seen him with my own two eyes and I personally think he's pretty damn Sasquatchian." - Kevin Harrish

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Zonabuck's picture

I would think Day, Wilson and Yurcich would be pretty reliable sources for which QB is best suited to lead the Buckeye offense for the next five months.

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tcm1968's picture

It sure sounds like Fields is behind in grasping the offense and sounds more and more like it wasn't a smokescreen. Chug had a year plus in the system and Hoak has been in systems since high school that are a better fit for what Coach Day wants to do. So it's not exactly a shock if Fields is behind those two in understanding the overall offense. Total guess, but not hard to imagine Fields being a little too dual threat for their liking and maybe running more than they would like. Tuck it and run and pick up 8 yards or hang in there a beat or two longer and hit a 50 yarder over the top.. that kind of stuff just takes time and live reps.. 

It also shines a light on a comment Coach Day made a month or so ago about having to REALLY lean on JK through the early part of the season. He didn't expand on that at the time but sounds like Fields isn't ready and it's just going to take some time to get him where they want him to be.. and that time is going to be in live games.. 

Go Bucks!

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Key phrase there is "a month or so ago." 

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Squirrel Master's picture

I think you are underestimating what fields has learned at Georgia. Not like they were running a zone read offense there with Jake Fromm. He was studying in a pro style type of offense with Kirby Smart who came from Bamas pro style.

Also, Day and Urban had the same coach speak about Haskins last year and we all saw how that ended up.

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Snake64's picture

From what's been mentioned and talked about part of the reason Fields didn't play over Fromm was his lack of understanding of the system and playbook. He has more talent but he was pretty poor at moving through progressions and it certainly doesn't sound like 1 year at Georgia changed that. Sounds like it's happening here as well. Hope working with Day and Yurcic they can get there but it's going to take longer than some of these fans might be patient enough for. 

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Buckeye06's picture

It sure sounds like Fields is behind in grasping the offense and sounds more and more like it wasn't a smokescreen

What is this statement even based on? Because Day didn't make him the starter on day 1 and say he is an amazing student of the game and better than Tom Brady?

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Zonabuck's picture

Q. Is there any particular reason why you didn't name a starter, just keep it as this is our guy? What was the thought process behind that?

RYAN DAY: I think any time you're naming a starter, they have to earn it. How do you earn it? You earn it by playing. It's very hard to earn a job in 15 practices in the spring. Walking into pre-season camp, you don't just give somebody a job. Never believed in that, never will. You have to earn it.

It's hard at quarterback. You need reps to really show what you can do. Coming out of the spring, Justin at this point had a good feel for the offense but certainly was nowhere near ready to be the starter for this offense.

After the first week, he really wasn't there. Made some mistakes, turned the ball over. Right now he's starting to scratch the surface. I still don't think he's where he needs to be. After this week, I think he played at a starter level, earned the job. We'll see where it goes from there.
 

This is from the mouth of Ryan Day this morning on video. 

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Sounds about right to me. He will have to keep developing an understanding of the offense and transform from a JT Barrett into a Troy Smith qb

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Buckeye06's picture

It's also coachspeak.  Everyone and their mom knew Fields would be the starter, so you have to give a reason if you are going to delay the inevitable.  Now all those things of course could be true, but it doesn't change that he had to give a reason why he wasn't the starter 3 months ago 

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DeacBuck's picture

Didn't Haskins have a poop spring game and draw very little praise from Meyer (even several games in) last year? Methinks Day is just learning from his predecessor. Have any of our WRs been vocal in their praise for Fields?

Go Bucks, Deacs, Panthers, Braves

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Not vocal but KJ Hill asked Day who our QB was going to be before deciding to come back. Hill came back because of Fields.

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Squirrel Master's picture

Actually Hill asked Day if Fields was actually coming to OSU and when confirmed he chose to stay. It was more about who would be the QB here because at that time Martell was very likely gone. Hill didnt want to catch passes from Chug or a walk on. I dont think Day confirmed Fields would start before Fields was even on the team, although a blind bat would have guessed that one.

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NW Buckeye's picture

We have 12 days until we see the first game.  You can see his performance in a game and decide for yourself!!!! Patience is a virtue......

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

I think I remember on one of Zach Smith's podcast he said he talked to a source close to the program about Fields and said source stated that Fields is the "real deal." I'm getting hyped man, one of the main things I look forward to every year is Buckeye football ahhhh almost time fellas

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keith7456's picture

Forget Christmas!
Buckeye football season is the most wonderful time of the year. 

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cledaybuck's picture

Have we stooped that low for information? Does anyone know Fields' mailman?

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analyticalguy's picture

No, but I know a guy whose brother works with a woman whose husband heard second hand from an inside source that...

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tajikey's picture

Have you given his podcast a chance? The one or two I have listened to were actually really well done and incredibly informative. Sure, his reputation within the program is soiled, and absent his personal life, his professional perspective has shed light on a lot of things us fans care to know about.

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bd2999's picture

I have not seen anything specific but I imagine he is more variable than the coaches like but his upside is high and he plays well most of the time, but have not heard anything.

I also feel that it is hard to get a good idea on every position group at a practice and figure out how they are going to be on game day. We will not know that for a bit over a week I guess.

I am thinking that Fields plays pretty well his first game. Not Haskins good but well over 200 yards, 3TDs and maybe a rushing TD. With Dobbins and the RBs carrying a major load.

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

I haven't seen any specifics but my guess is that it's a combo of a few things.

1. We don't know what to expect with Day in the "seat" and how he will play the media, he seems like a nice guy, a guy you want to have a beer with but at the end of the day he is also the same guy who learned under Urban and being stealthy is an understatement. My guess is that he isn't going to show his cards

2. On point #1 I think Fields is still trying to figure out the Offense and Day and the crew want to make sure they put up every smoke screen and false flags as possible to allow him to settle in. I think Fields has the intelligence and physical prowess to be the best QB TOSU has ever had

3. Anyone underestimating Fields is going to pay, heavily. When he was at "The Opening" against Trevor Lawrence everyone saw Fields as the stronger of the two and I don't think Fields slipped all that much. Fields is a physical specimen and has a ridiculously strong arm. I think we will cruise thru the non conference games then we may see him struggle a little as we get into the meat of the season and our success will rely heavily on Dobbins and the revamped defense but I think Fields being a STRONG dual threat will have a people on their heels which will allow him to get comfortable in the pocket which will pay dividends in the end of the season. 

I believe. 

"it matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.
GO BUCKS!!!!!

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Forget where I saw it, but one of our starting DL had rave reviews about him. I believe this was during summer workouts (aka when they're not supposed to be practicing, but they're unofficially practicing).

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Also, according to a premium article that I do not have the link to (screenshots were shared with me), according to Nevada's sources:

  • Fields has flashed his gamebreaking ability all of camp
  • When he wears a non-contact black jersey, much of his production is taken away (think running, escaping, etc.)
  • Fields has been exceptional at hitting quick-game passes and avoiding big hits
  • Comparison: 2012 Braxton Miller
  • We have one QB (this was more a knock on the backups than a praise of Fields)
  • Expect the offense to lean on the run game and have more short route concepts in the passing game

I did hear Laurinaitis say on the radio that Fields throws a real pretty deep-ball, for what it's worth.

Honestly I'm more concerned with the backup situation as it doesn't sound like those guys are close to being serviceable yet, and also sounds like we're likely to rely on Fields' legs much more than we did with Haskins, which may seem obvious, but this does lead to more hits and higher chance of injury.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Wow!  An answer to the questions asked!  How nice for a change.  

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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Rgeiger24's picture

Every single fan should just go watch Justin Fields senior highlights, QB1, and the Elite 11 docuseries before talking about Fields. It is truly crazy the stuff I hear about this kid every day. He is an elite passer and an elite runner. On air, he is one of the best talents in the last 20 years. The question, to me, is how dominant can he be under pressure. When you are as athletic as he is, you never have to deal with pressure unless your coach makes you. I THINK that he came to Ohio State because that's what he wanted. That has always been the downfall of elite athletes at the QB position. You don't work on fitting the ball into crazy holes under pressure and making a ton of big time throws because running the ball is easier. You make the easy throws and if they aren't there, you just run. Non-athletes HAVE to make the throws. Every day in practice, there should be times where they do not allow him to move outside of the pocket. Its something Fields has mentioned he is working on and has improved in. Force him to play like Haskins as a passer and then once its game time let him run because it is easier. Fields at Elite 11 was "The best QB ever" at his age in a camp setting. This is against elite high school players too. He was something like 14/15-0 TD to INT rate. Lawrence had 3 picks and was struggling to adjust to elite length. I'm not saying that he's going to do this, but that was without the run threat that he possesses. The only guy even close to doing that in high school is Dwayne and he still wasn't thought of as Elite 11 MVP caliber. Camp football is different, but it definitely shows his ceiling as a passer is ELITE.

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TTUN_Grad's picture

Full disclosure: I graduated from UofM and I’m a lifelong fan of the Wolverines.

Justin Fields will be a very good college QB. My daughter went to Harrison (the same high school in Georgia that Justin attended). I saw him play for several years and he is by far the best passing high school QB I have ever seen. He’s a smart kid and works hard.

it amazes me that so many people in this forum think he’s a run first QB. He has dual QB ability, but he is a pass first QB with amazing touch and vision. If he runs now it’s because it is taking a bit for him to get comfortable and trust the offense. 

He will do a great job for you, but I will laugh when people start claiming that Day made him a very good passing QB.

i’m rooting for him in every game, except one. Have some patience.

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avail31678's picture

You lost me after your first sentence. 

JK - thanks for the insight.  +1

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Thanks for the info.  Hope he can do it at the next level.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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WahooFanChicago's picture

Thanks for the post and for sharing your thoughts and information on Fields.

What are your thoughts on the Wolverines this year?

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TTUN_Grad's picture

Wahoo, thank you for asking. I will keep it short because it’s an OSU forum and I respect it.

I think Michigan will have a very good year. Shea, Uche, Paye, Charbonnet, and Ross will shock a lot of people with how well they will play this year. Other than Shea the other guys are almost unknown. Everyone over here is very excited about our new OC, Josh Gattis. The offense will finally have a chance to do something.

All this is training camp fluff unless we can beat you guys in November. 

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Weave77's picture

Who do you think will be your #2 RB behind Charbonnet?

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TTUN_Grad's picture

Tru Wilson will be the third down back (so I guess he’s kind of the backup), but Christian Turner will get a lot of carries as the season goes on and he settles in. I guarantee Ben VanSumeren will get a few highlight reel carries. He’s built like fullback, but has two moves and very deceptive speed.

Weave, your backs are going to have a crazy good year! Scary.

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tcm1968's picture

Thanks for the insight. I don't think it's about being a run-first QB ( at least not for me and guessing a lot of Buckeye fans).. it's about being a run third QB.. pass first, play breaks down and still find a way to pass ( move in the pocket or outside the pocket)... and then run as a third option.. sounds like Coach Day is seeing too much run second type stuff..  but that stuff just takes time.. 

Go Bucks!

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Snake64's picture

Yea that's what it's been all the way since highschool. That's what he was known for then 1 read and run. And most often running to quickly even on the first read. The fact that two years later and two systems later it's still happening is a cause for concern. I don't know that a few games this season is going to correct that. 

Great camp QB but the whole on the field in live game is yet to be seen.

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

Glad to hear from someone who actually saw him play in HS. You can't tell much from the QB1 series as it's all quick shot editing to provide "maximum entertainment" which I know is what draws people but I wanted to see more in depth game time in the show. a little too much fluff. 

Appreciate your objective view and coming onto the forum and giving an honest assessment. 

As for my thoughts on TTUN's season. 

I will go the opposite way you have and say that there is trouble in Ann Arbor at the QB position. Harbaugh doesn't know how to be subtle but his best attempt at being subtle was a bit of a tell when he made remarks about a player believing he is the guy but not putting in the work to be that guy or something along those lines.  I think if Shea doesn't come out in the first game or two and just absolutely light it up you will see Dylan McCaffery running the first string. I have been around Shea in a football setting and unrelated to THE GAME and two things I was left with, his arm isn't as strong as I would think it would be and MAN is he cocky.  I'm not trying to talk trash to you, I honestly believe your best bet on beating us with McCaffery at the helm.  I know Shea on paper is suppose to thrive in the type of O that Gattis is bringing to you guys but if we are all being honest Shea's career in college didn't continue on the arc it was projected to be on.  The NFL scouts that graded him pre his announcement of staying were really harsh on him and basically showed why he wasn't ready for the NFL. 

My guess Harbaugh is seeing the lack of work ethic or maybe not stepping up to be the man and put the time to earn that respect and is trying to send him a message. Here is to a safe season for both teams and hopes that you guys come in undefeated so we can ruin your season ;-) 

"it matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.
GO BUCKS!!!!!

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TTUN_Grad's picture

Texan,

There might be some merit to what you’re saying. Shea wasn’t selected as a captain and he played a lot of golf during the last couple of months. 

But I have a good friend who is connected to the team. He’s loyal so he doesn’t tell me much of anything, but he will drop a hint or two. Basically, if Shea stays healthy he will obliterate the QB record books at Michigan this year.

I will believe if I see it, but for now I’m very optimistic. Who knows, but we will see.

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Interrobanged's picture

Harrison's student section is easily one of the best I have seen of all the high school football games I have worked (GHSA football official). They show up full force an hour before the game and sing/dance to every song that is played over the speakers the entire time. It makes the pregame more enjoyable.

The one game I saw Fields play was the first round of the GHSA playoffs his Junior year, and I saw Trevor play in the Championship the same season.  Both were very impressive and were obviously the best on the field.

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TTUN_Grad's picture

You are absolutely correct! Plus the Harrison football field is gorgeous (the field and stands are surrounded by tall, lush trees). 

It’s insane that Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, and Harrison Bailey all played high school with a couple of miles from each other. The Marietta, Kennesaw, Cartersville corridor off of I-75.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

He has several games to really develop his game...as long as he can get points on the board and move the offense...he doesnt have to be polished...

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aj99's picture

Really wish Baldwin was still around. Hope Miller lives up to the hype! 

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