(the Houndie is dead, long live the Houndie)
If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.
Isn't it actually Week 3 of pre-season?
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
What? I didn't whisper anything. I don't know what you're talking about.
What an impressive run we have enjoyed - it is almost as great to be a buckeye fan on Sunday as it is Saturday!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
Who’s got it better than us?
Hoping to see Cardale get a shot. Now, that might mean Rivers getting injured, but maybe not, you never know.
Good to see Cardale back at it in LA. (I almost said SD.) That was a nice pass after standing in at taking the hit. Hope he catches on out there. And maybe there's a little load management for Rivers, depending on the score and such and maybe he gets in a little more actual game action.
Go Bucks! Health and success!
How did Tyrod Taylor look? Pretty sure that's who Cardale is competing against for the backup job atm.
I watched Cardale play all of his snaps and then Easton Park came in next. Park's first series went three and out before I turned it off. I think Dale may be up against Park more than Taylor...I personally was never impressed by Tyrod in college. Sure Tyrod can run but his throwing was very erratic, Park on the other hand won 4 NC at North Dakota State following Carson Wentz and apparently is a DT QB as well.
I am most disappointed that there is no father and son pic from this game. Would have thought Dale and pops have had few chances to reunite. Those two are my favorites from the 2014 NC run.
Most NFL teams don't keep 3 QBs nowadays. If Cardale wants a shot at making the final roster he needs to beat out Tyrod.
They were talking about this on the last Browns broadcast, and actually, the majority of teams do keep 3 QBs on the active roster. I believe they said that there were 12 teams that only kept 2 on the roster and then another guy on the practice squad.
A lot of the teams that are completely set at QB only keep 2. The Chargers are one of those teams considering Rivers has been the epitome of durability throughout his career. I think whichever QB loses the number 2 job won't be on the final roster and I'm not sure if Cardale has PS eligibility anymore now that he's in his fourth year in the League. If he wants to stick in LA he needs to beat out Tyrod IMO.
Given how long Colt McCoy is expected to be out for now is the time for Haskins to seize the starting job in WAS. That TD throw was incredible to say the least but he was kind of uneven the rest of the way in Thursday's game and looked rattled at times from all the pressure in his face. That being said Keenum looked worse than he did so he shouldn't be too hard to beat out (unless Gruden's plan is to NOT throw Haskins to the wolves behind an O-line that's currently missing their best player for the foreseeable future).
I’m kinda old school in the sense that I think it benefits everyone if Haskins sits a year while he learns and develops. Sending these guys out too early has ruined many a career of young NFL QBs. As amazing as Haskins was in his one year starting at OSU, I think he needed one more year before going pro.
Just curious, who are the QB’s that were ruined because they started as rookies? Elway had one of the worst first couple years I’ve seen as did Jim Plunket,who had a pretty good career in Oakland.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
Just off the top of my head pick almost any Browns or Bengals QB from the last 30 years. David Klingler, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Deshone Kizer, Johnny Manziel, all were busts prior to Palmer and Mayfield. Then think of Ryan Leaf, David Carr and Joey Harrington as more famous ones who I do not believe sat long on the pine in year 1. If I recall correctly prior to the last 10 years it was far more common to sit out the first year.
I agree with these....David Carr and David Klingler were both solid QBs that got absolutely destroyed because of horrible lines "protecting" them. Hell, the Colts have almost ruined Andrew Luck due to bad line play...this year looks better but the injuries have stacked up. I see no harm in waiting a year or two at all.
"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM
This may be a list of QB's that started as rookies and didn't pan out long term, but who's to say they would have been any better with a year on the bench first? I've never really bought into the adage that sitting a year ( or 2 or 3 ), makes a QB more likely to succeed long term.
Akili Smith and Johnny Football were both lazy and not diligent workers. That's 100% the reason why they failed in the NFL. David Klingler OTOH, he was 100% ruined by the Bengals' lack of a competent O-line at the time he was drafted which seriously fucked up his game in the long run. Same could be said for Tim Couch (Couch had the mechanics to be a good QB but was surrounded by an absolutely awful Browns team for the majority of his career in CLE).
Brady Quinn threw 8 passes as a rookie and started 0 games. Johnny Manziel started 2 games as a rookie. Paxton Lynch started 2. Some guys are just busts.
The Browns were also in playoff contention in 2014 when they benched Hoyer for Manziel (extremely ill-advised decision). Manziel's play effectively eliminated them from playoff contention.
Most of those guys just weren’t nfl QB’s. I don’tthink starting early causes that. Poor work ethic maybe and giving up, may be? Look at Plunket. Not necessarily disagreeing but the article shows it trending in another direction the last few years. Credit the tackling restrictions on QB’s as helping the young guns transition a little easier maybe?
Teams also don’t have the patience to stick with guys have that horrible first years (or more) like they did with Elway, Peyton, and many others back in the 90s/early 2000s and before.
Agreed. However, if the Skins start Keenum this year and are bad enough to land the number 1 overall pick (which looking at how dysfunctional the team is currently it's very possible) you can bet they're taking Tua next year which would mean Haskins would effectively be Josh Rosen'd right out of WAS.
I would have to see a lot more out of Tua this year to believe that he could send Haskins packing. When Tua has faced better defenses and pressure he has definitely had his "deer in headlights" moments.
As of right now he's the consensus number 1 overall pick next year (though that could change if he struggles this year, but that's highly doubtful). If he plays as expected in 2019 AND the Redskins are picking first next year they're taking him and to hell with Haskins. I don't like it either (what the Cards did to Rosen was extremely shitty on their part) but it's an unfortunate possibility if the Skins struggle this year (especially considering this is almost certainly going to be Jay Gruden's last season in WAS if they don't make the playoffs and the new coaching staff won't have any loyalty to Haskins next year).
Also it may not be a matter of Tua "sending Haskins packing" in a competition. If the Skins draft Tua I would highly expect Haskins to immediately demand a trade just like Rosen did when the Cards drafted Murray number 1 overall. So Haskins likely wouldn't even make it into camp in 2020 to compete with Tua.
Really? I thought Herbert from Oregon would have been the #1 QB next year. Tua has gotten in better shape this year but he hasn't played well, as of late, in games against really good defenses.
The Cardinals made a mistake, IMO, drafting Murray #1 overall. There isn't another team that would have taken him in the top 10-15. They could have traded down and still got him. I think they should have kept Rosen and given him a chance. The porous OL in Arizona isn't going to make anyone look good. Bidwell should have gotten rid of Keim when he had the chance last off-season.
Drafting Murray was 100% on Kingsbury, not Keim. Keim just went along with it. Murray and Kingsbury have a really strong relationship (Kingsbury tried to recruit Kyler to Texas Tech back when he was still their HC) so of course Kingsbury jumped all over that draft pick at the expense of Rosen (though Rosen is also having trouble beating out Ryan Fitzpatrick as the starter in MIA right now so it could be that he just isn't very good).
But in regards to Herbert I haven't heard any rumblings about him going first overall. Top 10 sure but not number 1. Right now that spot is kind of assumed to be Tua's to lose atm, hence why all the fans of tanking teams this year are talking about "Tanking for Tua" nonstop. If Tua is the consensus number 1 overall player in next year's draft and the Skins are picking 1st overall I have a hard time believing that Haskins would keep them from drafting him (remember this is Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen we're talking about).
I am sure that Washington could get a comparable pick back if they did trade Haskins. The Cardinals took a bath when they traded Rosen (after trading up to get him last year after failing to trade up to get Mahomes the year before). Keim is the GM, drafting Murray is 100% on him, IMO. Keim has drafted poorly for years and his free agent signings, for the most part, have been terrible.
Rosen is doing fairly well in the battle to QB the Dolphins. He had to learn a new offense in a couple of months so to suggest that "he just isn't very good" is unfair.
Herbert was projected to be the #1 QB taken this year had he chosen to come out (although the Cardinals probably would have went after Murray anyway. Back to my original point...the Cardinals could have traded down and still gotten Murray along with a couple extra draft picks to try to improve their OL.
Some guy named Peyton Manning, his rookie season had many believing he was well on his way to becoming a bust. We saw how that turned out in the end.
QBs picked high in the first round of the draft are usually going to teams who are picking high for a reason...they are bad. To throw a QB whom a team considers its future franchise QB to the wolves early is not a great recipe for success. The QB could get injured or just have his confidence shattered. Neither is good. Sitting a year helps the QB catch up to the speed of the NFL game more often than not.
Agree completely AZBuckeye.
All qbs with <1 game of action in year 1
Peyton and Ben saw success and learned alot from their year 1s though. But there will always be exceptions.
Haskins still has to work on ball security especially in the NFL, many times at Ohio State he toted the rock like a loaf of bread. He did look better this game.
JT 0-3, 1 interception for a 0.00 passer rating.
1st pass was a perfect fade but the receiver couldn't keep his feet inbounds, 2nd pass was a drop that would have ended the game. 3rd pass with 1 sec left in the game was a bit high but the receiver didn't try to go up and catch it. It was a weird play with multiple receivers in the same area.
“A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.” - Tyrion Lannister
For some reason I didn't see your post before I posted basically the same thing....my apologies.
One throw was a decent throw to the corner but the receiver came down just out of bounds, one was a solid pass right in the hands and was dropped. The last was a bad throw with 1 second on the clock. It looks bad but he really had no playing time worth a damn, he did have a nice little run where he skirted the sideline for extra yards....he won't really get a shot anywhere though, he may make another practice squad but no real shot anywhere.
There’s always “O Canada”
Demetrious Knox went down with a knee injury of some sort. Preseason sucks.
It's looking like more and more of a possibility that Michael Jordan is going to be starting at LG for the Bengals this year (he's been impressive in camp and in preseason so far).
I don’t think Bell bailed out Eli. Looks like zone coverage to me.