2015 Sugar Bowl Kickoff Question

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If the Buckeyes recovered it, it would've been a touchdown. I believe it was actually mentioned at one point during the broadcast. Though it won't be in the video you posted, since that's just a condensed version.

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BPOSU's picture

They mentioned it eventually in the broadcast. Right after halftime if I remember correctly. But yes, if that game would have ended differently I think that play would have gotten a lot more attention. 

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

It was a blunder, it was a fumble and had we recovered it would've been a touchdown

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Knarcisi's picture

I thought it didn’t matter if it happened in the end zone.  Just a dead ball and touchback. As opposed to a muff and live ball at the 1 yard line. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I think once a kickoff goes 10 yards it is a live ball unless downed by a player.

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Knarcisi's picture

If it lands in the end zone, untouched by the receiving team, it’s a dead ball and touchback, regardless of whether the kicking team recovers it or not. At least I’m 90% sure of that. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

But in this instance, the ball was touched and dropped. 

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Knarcisi's picture

I understand that. I just always thought it had to be in the field of play, whether he touched it or or.  Or the ball would have to bounce out of the end zone into the field of play. Could have sworn I’ve seen guys drop the kickoff and the end zone and just let it go for a touchback. It’s quite possible I’m wrong. Funny though, I’m getting downvotes for my opinion and trying to have a discussion on the subject. 

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SpringfieldBuckeye's picture

The dv's make no sense, but you're correct in that if it just bounces before a player touches it, touchback. But once he touches it, it's a live ball.

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Rocket Man's picture

I notice a lot of downvotes for opinion around here lately.  I usually reserve DVs for banishing trolls.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

If a player muffs the ball, no matter where on the field of play, it is a live ball until one of the teams take possession. Be it by downing the ball by the receiving team or recovery by the kicking team. If the kickoff had hit the ground first I believe it would have been a dead ball, if it landed in the end zone.

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Zonabuck's picture

I believe pints are dead once they go into the end zone, but kickoffs are live. Clearly, that was a live ball in the ref’s eye. 

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allinosu's picture

I think you're right. This from 2013 Article 7 states: When a free kick untouched by team b touches it's goal line it becomes a dead ball and possession of team B.

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B1Gbuckeye's picture

Remember when Maryland recovered a kick that was 40 yards downfield? That was right after the first long td run.

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Bucks2K18's picture

Oh, don't remind me. I seriously thought we were going to be down 14-0 before we even touched the ball

That's a Buckeye touchdown!

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NewPhilaFan's picture

This is definitely correct.  In college, a kickoff in the end zone is a dead ball unless the receiving team advances the ball.  In the NFL, the kickoff is live until downed or advanced.

Let's Go Bucks

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Knarcisi's picture

So I was correct in the first place?

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BleedBuckeye's picture

https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-6-kicks/#NCAA6-4-1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I'm reading this right, the receiving team, if they touch the ball in the endzone, they must down it. If it's NOT touched in the endzone, then it is a dead ball.  It was a fumble, and if the other Alabama player had not picked it up and downed it, Ohio State could have recovered it for a touchdown, or they could have tackled him for a safety, had he not downed it. I just watched it on youtube, and there were 2 Buckeyes going for the ball, but the Alabama player was right there and picked it up and downed it right in front of them.

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Knarcisi's picture

I read that earlier today, too, and thought I was wrong. 

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

If the player hadnt touched the ball when it hit in the end zone its a touchback. If a player does touch it it becomes like a muffed punt

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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gobucks1966's picture

Same as a on side kick 10 yards free ball.

Denny

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brutus0717's picture

It bothered me too. IMO, it would have been a TD if we had recovered it. Yes it was a blunder by all, including the announcers who didn't even mention it for about 2 hours.

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SpringfieldBuckeye's picture

I thought I was the only one that this bothered. And it has since it happened. I pondered and pondered on asking about it but didn't want to make a whole thread about it. That should've been an easy 6. And it may have gotten the game off to a way better start then it did. Ultimately we won so it didn't matter, but I would've been pretty pissed if the outcome wasn't what it was.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I was immediately screaming at the television screen for one of our two guys to jump on the ball (to no avail).

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

That was definitely a blunder but what I hated more was those first two drives that went so deep.but ended up only with three points each.

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HOLYbucknut's picture

Thank you for creating this thread. I was screaming for them to jump on the ball when it happened but then I thought I might be crazy since the announcers didn’t say anything about it. Ive always wondered if it bothered anyone else but never thought to ask.

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Keze's picture

Play until you heard the whistle can solve this , something taught in high school or before . Just dumb playing by the Buckeyes.

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Honestly, I was yelling to get on the f****** ball and was real pissed when Alabama picked it up casually

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Smitty516's picture

Who was the special teams coach at the time?!?! (Urban!) Situations like this should be covered. When you really think about it though, both Meyer and Saban are so detail oriented and the fact that both teams were so nonchalant about the play is surprising.

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NewPhilaFan's picture

Clearly the coaches and the returner knew the rules better than most of the folks commenting on this thread.  People are confusing the NFL rule with the college rule.

Let's Go Bucks

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Smitty516's picture

If the ball just bounced in the end zone without Jones touching it, it would be a dead ball. The thing is Jones touched the ball, making it a live ball. Jones as the returner, clearly did not know the rule. The Ohio State players don’t really attack the ball like it’s live, and White from Alabama is able to nonchalantly pick it up and down it averting disaster. But it’s not like White was even eagerly trying to get the ball to avoid a turnover/touchdown. It’s like he nonchalantly grabs it and downs it just in-case.

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Hoody Wayes's picture

Conley is looking to his left, away from the ball and Samuel appears to on the chill.

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gobucks1966's picture

The other Bama player knew what was going on and downed it and if you watch the replay he took his time to do so but was ahead of our kids and had it covered .

Denny

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Dasniksder's picture

At the time I thought it must be a dead ball if the ball never leaves the end zone. About a month ago I’m watching YouTube videos of crazy football plays or something like that and a player fielded a kickoff in the end zone, without taking a knee he turns and tosses the ball to an official. The ref avoids the ball and the kicking team (Clemson?) recovers for a touchdown. I immediately thought of the Sugar Bowl and that it was a fumble OSU could have recovered for a TD. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I've watched this broadcast so many times it's funny the things that annoy me.

When we're driving down the field at the end of the first half and Jones isn't getting the ball snapped to him, the broadcasters say "Valuable time being wasted" but the freaking ref is standing over the ball at that moment preventing the ball from being snapped!

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Why would this annoy u? The announcer isn't wrong.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

The announcers were blaming Cardale for wasting time when the referee wouldn’t allow Boren to snap the ball.

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Yea I understand that. The point is valuable time was wasting. What u expect the announcer to say? 

Im not gonna go back and watch but I’m assuming osu made a substitution and the ref was holding the play so the defense could sub. Wasting valuable time

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

That is exactly what happened. Alabama brought their subs on slowly and the clock started after the chains were reset. The refs held up the snap while the clock continued to run. My point was that Cardale was not to blame for the lack of a snap.

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BuckeyeRocket's picture

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Smitty516's picture

With our 3rd string quarterback, yes sir we did!

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Funny...that is what my son asks me every time he catches me watching the replay.

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

Would have been a huge way to open the game with a touchdown just for bama playing lazy.
That one definitely bothered me at the time. I can only imagine the explosion Saban would have had if we did pick it up.

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gobucks1966's picture

Hind sight and a crazy thought but if we did get the ball for the score the entire game would of been different and we might not of won.

Denny

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IamFin's picture

I too was screaming at the tv when this happened.

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