1st Place - Shea Patterson UM
2nd Place - Donovan Peoples-Jones UM
3rd Place - Tarik Black UM
4th Place - Zach Charbonnet UM
5th Place - Joe Milton UM
It will be the first time in college football history all 5 representatives are from the same school. UM wins every preseason award.
It's (2) weeks until September.
Is that you, Desmond???
Wrong, it's Georgia. They win multiple off-season National Championships: Recruitng, Spring Game, Signing Day, Fall Camp, etc.
OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville
Didn't you hear the news Charbonet is going to be the greatest true freshman rb ever, no way he finishes 4th.
Then again they are going to actually pass the ball this year so he may not get enough touches lol.
Oregon sucks entirely too much for Herbert to make it. The winner will either be Lawrence or Tua with the non-factor third place man being either Jonathan Taylor or Jalen Hurts.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Agreed. Entire Pac12 is so poorly viewed.
The Big Ten isn’t viewed very well either.
Always and forever, Go Bucks!
Not true about the B1G being viewed well. Just look at the top 25 with 7 teams. Also, look at the ratings by conference:
B1G #2 https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-2019-conferen...
B1G #2 https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-conference-rankin...
B1G #2 http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
I lived outside of the Big Ten area for over a decade. That is the view point for the region that live.
Where do you live?
Along the Big Horn River at the edge of the Big Horn Mountains.
SEC and Oklahoma get the love. Bucks split with OU. OU has 2 Heismans and 3 trips to the playoffs. Alabama and Clemson get love. 4 playoff meetings in a row and 4 National Titles in a row.
Ohio State was not even in the game their last trip to the playoffs. I listened to the National Broadcast of the game on Westwood One. The broadcast did not say 1 good thing about the Bucks! I was pissed off before I got home from my sons basketball tournament to watch the second half. PSU, MSU, and TTUN not living up to the billing hurts.
Not a lot to say about 3 teams that have been better than mine for the previous 5 years.
Learned to enjoy the wins, enjoy the development of young men as people and as a player.
The Big Ten isn’t viewed very well either.
B10 and SEC have been viewed as the 2 strongest conferences for about the past 5 years now. As evident in the data points already provided above. To compare the Pac12 and the B10 is not even close. Show me your datapoints please, not your opinion.
I interviewed 100 random people in a couple of towns nearby. No one had much to about Ohio State. They talked about Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma and LSU. So, zero database points for Ohio State. 76 people talked about Alabama and Clemson and the National Title games 22 were Oklahoma fans, 2 are LSU fans.
BigHorn: Interesting they favor University of Oklahoma over OSU. Clemson was blown out a couple years ago by Alabama, Alabama was blown out this year by Clemson. Now Clemson and Alabama should get a pass. They both won 2 National Championships. OSU should get a pass, they also won a National Championship. Oklahoma should not be afforded that opportunity.
I suppose it is OSU hatred there, because by every team metric, OSU comes out on top. OSU has been final ranked above OU 3 out of 5 playoff years. OSU has been in the final top 6 all 5 years, OU has been in the top 6 only 4 times. OSU has won a national championship, OU has not even sniffed a championship game, OSU is 2-1 in the playoffs, OU is 0-3. Head to head of course was a wash 1-1. To me that is OSU 4-0-1 against team metrics. You have to educate your people BigHorn lol.
They don’t hear about Ohio State. The Big Ten doesn’t get any one excited except for Iowa Wrestling. Outside of that, Oklahoma, Montana, Montana State, Alabama, Clemson and LSU.
Outside of my family, there was a PSU grad, Nebraska native, a TTUN fan, Tennessee fan and a USC fan as his sister went to school and played in their band. Most people could care less about college football, as they are hunting, fishing, or hiking/riding.
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
What position does "OR" play?
And Toledo still sucks.
OR stands for "Outside Reserve" a position on every team that comes from nowhere and probably goes somewhere. :)
Just keep going. Everybody gets better if they keep at it...
This is the most boring Heisman predictions ever. 4 names showed up and 3 were only picked once.
If you think this was boring...wait for the actual Heisman race. Would be pretty shocked if its anyone other than Lawrence or Tua.
I'd be shocked if it isn't Trevor Lawrence.
He's an incredible talent, and he has the "benefit" of an outspoken coach who will make a case for him when the time comes. Plus, their less-than-vaunting schedule within the ACC gives him plenty of games to break out. If he steals the show in their tougher non-conference games against the likes of Texas A&M and South Carolina, I think he should have it in the bag.
Everyone thought it was going to be Tua last year. Going into 2017 the predictions were Barkley or Darnold or Lamar Jackson repeating. Going into 2016 there was Christian McCaffrey and Deshaun Watson and NLeonard Fournette.
Other than Mariota in 2014 I can’t think of the last preseason pick to actually win the thing.
While I believe Lawrence is a lock to be named a finalist, I don't think he wins it.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
It has to do w/ the human psychology. Trevor’s stock is so high right now, it can only relatively fall as the season progresses. Even if he has a really good year, unless it is an all-time great year, it will come w/ an air of disappointment.
Meanwhile, the eventual Heisman winner starts off near the middle-of-the-pack. His stock steadily rises in the beginning, explodes in the middle once the hype sets in, and he rides the momentum to the end of the season.
2018 - K. Murray (30-1) *Placed a $50 bet last year.
2017 - B. Mayfield (10-1)
2016 - L. Jackson (100-1)
2015 - D. Henry (25-1)
2014 M. Mariota (6-1)
2013 - J. Winston (no odds until Week 2)
2012 - J. Manziel (no odds until Week 8)
2011 - R. Griffin (28-1)
2010 - C. Newton (no odds until Week 3)
Based on historical precedent, you should avoid less than 10-1 odds or RBs, Mariota and Henry are the only winners this decade.
My best bets for 2019:
J. Fields (10-1) *I would prefer 15-1, maybe best to wait a couple weeks to see if his stock drops. A big game Week 5 vs. Nebraska, would bump it back up.
I. Book (40-1)
J.K. Dobbins (50-1) This is totally a QB-award now, but if a RB has a chance, he plays for Bama or tOSU. I think JK could have a crazy Derrick Henry-like year. If Fields struggles, yet tOSU is still 10-0, it will be bc Dobbins is having a monster season.
J.T. Daniels (60-1) Best to avoid West Coast guys, the Media hates the P12 unless they play for USC.
K. Tate (60-1) Remember how good this guy was in 2017? 1400 yards rushing, but only 200 last year bc he played injured. Arizona’s schedule is easy enough until November, they could conceivably be ranked high enough.
Keep in mind, the winner always plays for a NC-contender or a team that is highly relevant in November. L’ville (9-3) was still #5 in Week 11. A&M (10-2) was #8 after beating #1 Bama in Week 10. Baylor (9-3) finished the year #12, and beat #5 OU and #24 Texas in the last three weeks of the season.
I didn’t want to say it, but Shea at (25-1) is a decent bet. I love the 20-1 through 30-1 range, and he is the only guy in there this year that fits the criteria.
If Gattis truly opens the offense up, which I am highly skeptical of, he will be in the race if they beat PSU/ND back-to-back.
Of all those odds the only one that’s worth it to me would be Tate. It’s not out of the realm of possibility for him to put up a monster year.
am i reading 11W or espn ???......knuckeheads....
Exactly, I was gonna ask them how was David Pollack's hottub last night?
If you’re upset about the Heisman picks then I can only imagine how you’ll feel next weekend when some staff members take UM to win the conference.
I think the point is, instead of having 6 people tell the readers why the same guy is going to win, the more journalistic way of doing it, with such a heavy slant for one guy, would have been doing something like having you all vote a top-5, and tabulating it and then doing a story around that and talking about each of the consensus top 5. But that would have taken effort, so...
We just went with the way we’ve done it for the last three years. Maybe we’ll tweak it in the future.
And those staff members would have to be huffing starter fluid and blue spray paint from plastic Walmart bags.
Be a good person but don’t waste your time trying to prove it. #MeNeither #HarbaughOrDeath
Ouch, say it ain't so
Demario McCall is in the article header pic. It's 11W for sure.
What would you have them do? Would picking Fields and Dobbins to win make them less ESPN? It would also make them look pretty dumb. This is a two horse race, Trevor Lawrence and I'm not sure who has the second best chance.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
The 2nd-best horse is in the back 3/4ths of the field, and I will take the horses out in the field every time over the favorite.
Justin Fields. With his unique ability to run for TDs, he is going to have the most TDs of anyone on your list!! Dont come back midway through the season now and change your mind.
I can't see Hurts thriving as a passer in Riley's offense. That said, it IS big 12 defenses he will play against.
It's Trevor Lawrence's to lose, for sure.
While I cannot stand Clemson or Dabo's punchable face, Trevor Lawrence is easily the most logical pick.
Haha, that's good.
I could honestly see Trevor Lawrence having a Soph slump. He isn't the unknown quantity anymore. The thing that helps him is the threat of the RB, Etienne, behind him.
I will go on a limb and say Fields wins a close race with Tua and Lawrence finishes third.
We will have to win every game though and have his numbers look exceptional, 4,200 yds through the air, 30+ TDs, 700yds on the ground with another 7+ TDs. Completion percentage will be 68%.
4200 yards passing for a player who completed 4 passes in the spring game. I would like to see this happen as that would mean a Great, Exciting Sean! Go Bucks!!!
You forget that Haskins looked pretty bad in the '18 spring game. Didn't matter because I knew he was going to put up video game number once the season got going. Fields is very close to Lawrence in terms of talent (probably even better when also considering his running ability) and he's playing in a system proven to be high powered. I don't think Fields will win the Heisman (mostly due to the media bias against OSU) but I look for him to be a finalist... Here's my guess at his stat line - 3900 passing for 38 TD's at a 70% completion rate, 950 rushing for 11 TD's.
I love that kind of optimism TS
m GO BLOW!!!
I would be happy if that was his stat line! Very surprised, but very happy!
Im amazed at how much weight you guys put into the spring game.
This isn't even a contest unless voters acknowledge that an average QB could put up big numbers for Clemson given their ridiculously easy schedule. If they vote with their heads and Tua puts up good numbers, he has a chance. Otherwise, this is Lawrence's to lose.
That's the problem. Most don't vote with their head. They just see gaudy stats on ESPN and send their ballot in early.
Actually that’s not the truth. Far from it. Most don’t send votes in now until the last minute since it’s done electronically.
My statement was a bit of an exaggeration, but Joel Klatt was talking about it at the end of the season. Think he said 10 or 20% of the voters sent theirs in before conference championship games even took place.
If Justin Fields blows up and leads "THE" to the CFP, I believe he will overtake the overwhelming favorite Trevor Lawrence. Really surprised at least one of you didnt pick this scenario. OSU being overlooked by the hole nation including our staff. I'm calling it. Justin Fields goes off for 3800 yds passing and 1100 yds rushing and 45 total tds and tops trevor lawrence just like he did in elite 11. There........I said it.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
I think Fields is a good front runner for 2020, but it’s not disrespectful to think he might need a few games to get acclimated.
How much improvement took place from a guy who didn’t complete a handful of passes in the spring game?
Unlike Lawrence, Fields couldn’t beat out the starter. Unlike Tua, Fields didn’t present a skill set that his coach thought he could go to, to steal a win.
This is like claiming that Haskins sucks because he didn't "beat out" JT. We all know what happened with that situation and there are many other coaches who think the same way as Meyer did - Smart being one of them. Fields was a true freshman stuck behind an accomplished multi-year starter in a pro-style offense. Lawrence and Tua were great prospects but Fields was just better overall and that talent didn't disappear over the last 18 months. This offense is going to be a juggernaut... Just watch
Haskins and Fields are similar how?
Who stated Haskins/Fields sucks?
4000 yards passing this season is a stretch for Fields. Fields had quite a bit to work on mechanically.
Could he have gotten better? Sure
Did he get better? Probably
4 new starters on the offensive line. That alone is a huge change! Juggernaut, probably not this year. If it is , I will be surprised and very happy!! But realistically not likely.
Don't think Jake Fromm state farm won't have a shot at some Heisman talk. J Fields still played as a true freshman.
As the season progressed, no one wondered if Fields was going to take Fromm’s spot as starter.
Some real good drugs ya got there. Fields breaks season passing record by 500 yards and had a top 20 single season rushing yards in school history? Give me some of that crack
My guess is Tua, but not because he deserves it. I see him being crowned throughout the entire season just like he was last year. Trevor Lawrence is a shoe-in and Jalen Hurts will also be in the convo because “he deserves it” just because OU will be undefeated and his numbers will be solid. Meanwhile, Justin Fields will put up better numbers against much stronger defenses, but finishes 4th. Because of Buckeye Nation’s strong interest and wanting to increase ratings for the ceremony, Fields will get an invite. However, most interviews on espn will feature Tua, Lawrence and Hurts, and to throw Fields a bone, he will get a one-on-one interview with Tebow...they give it to Tua because it’s not fair Alabama doesn’t win at least the Heisman in-case Clemson curb-stomps them again in the playoffs...
Ohio State walk-on cornerback Lloyd McFarquhar comes out of nowhere and steals the Heisman with his 23 tackle and 3 interception performance in the annual beat down of TTUN.
Send the Earth Reverberating
THe front runner never wins. So I have nothing against Lawrence but history says it won’t be him.
My homer pick would be Fields, but if i has to name another QB to sort of come out of nowhere and put up big numbers then maybe Adrian Martinez could have a shot.
How about a QB from Oklahoma who have won this while being a starter for a season or 2 for the Sooners? Hurts did complete 11 passes.
The only way Fields wins the heisman this season if he has 5,000+ total yards, 50+ total TDs & THE Bucks are 13-0. The chances of that happening right now are at around 30%-35%. #F1eldsForHeisman
Probably needs more than that. Those are Haskins type numbers and he got third place.
Haskins lost the heisman because he wasn't great vs Minnesota, Purdue, Penn State or MSU. I don't care if throw for a lot of yards, he was literally throwing the ball 45-55 times a game & nearly threw 100 vs Purdue. He finally put on his big boy pants vs Maryland and beyond and went on a nice run but it was too late.
Fields is way more physically gifted, same arm strength if not better & will make this offense run a lot better by game 4-5. The numbers i mentioned + 13-0 record should make us the 1 or 2 seed & Fields the heisman winner.
Are you on drugs? Haskins completed 75% of his passes for 412 yards and 3 touchdowns against Minnesota. The only two ok games he had were Nebraska and PSU. The rest were good to great.
"...the long-haired defending national champion who would look quite dazzling in a Cincinnati Bengals uniform."
Tis true, but alas we'll somehow have to manage or endure at least two more winters in the 'Nati and then the stripe-hypes will have to take a (pre)-determined dive for the 2020 season prior to ever getting a shot at the long-haired phenom.
Apparently not ALL orange-men are bad...
Neil Armstrong lied to me...
Yeah... if only Lawrence was a junior. It'd make this Bengals season much more palatable. At least we'd be tanking for Trevor.
Though, TBH, I don't see us being much better next year, either.
As the Heisman has devolved into an QB operating in a winning program from the eastern 2/3 of the country p OP popularity contest this list checks out.
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I don’t really buy into that argument. PAC 12 has more Heismans (4*) than the B1G (1) this century.
Recency bias for me, but QB bias remains.
USC has 3/4 of the Heisman’s, and is excused from the bias bc the media likes them.
big time man crush here, or so it seems
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We should focus on winning our first game. Then each one after.
Im not as enamored with Lawrence as is the rest of the universe. We shall see
There's a reason why Justin Fields beat him at the Elite 11 Final but folks wanna pretend like that never happened or doesn't matter. We will find out this season.
Maybe it... doesn't really matter. It's a glorified 7 on 7 competition in shorts. It doesn't not matter, but how many of these Elite 11 MVP's turned out to be studs at the next level?
2016: Tua Tagovailoa
2015: Shea Patterson
2014: Blake Barnett
2013: Sean White
2012: Asiantii Woulard
2011: Neal Burcham / Tanner Mangum
2010: Jeff Driskel
2009: Jake Heaps
2008: Aaron Murray
2007: Blaine Gabbert
2006: John Brantley
I get picking Lawrence as the favorite; he'd be my pick too. But a dual-threat quarterback putting up ridiculous numbers always has a shot in the current era, even if it's someone like Lamar Jackson who doesn't play for a playoff-level team. Fields figures to be the best of that class.
I don't understand the obsession with Herbert, last seen helping to put America into a New Year's coma in Oregon's bowl game.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
"Because we couldn't go for three"
J K Dobbins is my pick.
Only thirteen days Eleven Warriors!
Well these were kind of boring. I'm going with Sam Ehlinger.
It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.
I wish no ill will or intentions, but I can’t be the only one who hopes that Trevor and Clemson fall flat on their faces in spectacular fashion this fall. In reality, it’s Lawrence’s to lose.
Of course trevor lawrence will win clemson gives their guys steriods. They should just leave it up to espn. Thats where this staff does their research. Dobbins or fields should win but haskin should have won last year.
Espn has already determined the answer to this question...either Tua or Trevor. Nobody else has a chance no matter what as long as those 2 don’t get hurt.
I can see Lawrence and tua getting the main pub for the heisman, both have a ridiculous supporting cast, and play on the top teams... but I don’t see why fields isn’t getting any love... he has just as good of skill players on the scarlet and grey plus he can chuck the rock with the best of them... also he has the ability to beat you with his feet... if he can put up solid numbers through the air and with his feet, numbers that are gonna lead our bucks to the playoff, I can absolutely see him in New York come January... I don’t know what all the hype is about hurts though... I understand he is in Lincoln Riley’s offense but jalen has proven to not be a prolific passer like mayfield and Murray were... finalists Lawrence, Tua, Fields with the buckeye coming away with it
I kind of hope Jonathan Taylor or Chase Young or Rondale Moore put up some absurd numbers. Or someone else. Anyone else but Trevor Lawrence and Tua, as I'm so tired of hearing about those two on SportsCenter
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."
I would love to see Chase in the race. A 13-0 record, 10.5 sacks and 2 TD, got DE Jonathan Allen 7th place in 2016.
On the contrary, for the life of me I don’t get how Peppers got 5th (66 tackles, 3.0 sacks, 1 INT, 170 rush yards and 4 TDs) and Te’o 2nd (113 tackles, 1.5 sacks and 7 INTs). Those INTs were fluky too, 35 return yards from all of them combined. Dude had not even 1 single INT in his previous 3 years.
Meanwhile, Peppers was a S, and had 1 INT in his entire career.
So if Chase has 20 sacks, a couple of scores, and a pick-6, he might finish 4th. Check.
You're going to hear about Lawrence for a while. This year - Lawrence draft stock. Next year - Should Lawrence sit out for a year?
A quote from so in 2006 that may pertain to Justin Fields this year"His performance in the Fiesta Bowl last season—racking up 408 yards of total offense and outplaying Notre Dame's Quinn in a 34–20 Buckeyes victory—put him in the Heisman picture. If Smith stays there, it will be because of his ability to turn broken plays into big ones, a la Vince Young."
I watched the video. I'm not sure Trevor Lawrence is changing the NFL. Or that he's on par with Elway. He is good. But he looks like he has the same throwing style as Haskins.
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