TTUN Has a Revolutionary and Never Been Done Before Idea for Offense

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Spartan13's picture

I don't know why we are making fun of them for going to a new age offense. They have the personnel to do it easily and there is no way they lose 4 games. Going to the spread makes them much more dangerous there is nothing else to say about it.

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LCT's picture

Totally agree, there's no way they're only gonna lose 4 games.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

We make fun of them because they think its something nobody else is doing, and its our job to make fun of them just because its fun to make fun of them. Well they're going to lose to army, they'll lost to us, and msu, and they'll lose another game, probably a bowl game

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Kangarooman's picture

I think part of the joke is the fans and Harbaugh aren’t going to give the RPO a real chance and fall back to old habits.

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Buck-n-A's picture

I don't think anyone is saying they do not have the players to run RPO or that they shouldn't. I think it is a little far fetched to think installing it, when coming from the ancient offense they were running, will go off easily this year. What they will be able to install in one offseason is not going to confuse defenses who play against RPOs every week.

Sure the offense will be better but running the RPO takes a lot skill from offensive lineman and some three and outs can kill a thin defense. Both of those things will likely hold back the Michigan offense some this year.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Not sure there is "no way" they lose 4 games. Michigan has @WIS, Iowa, @PSU, ND, MSU, OSU plus a trap game against Army. I think their most likely regular season record is 9-3 but there are certainly scenarios where things could go worse than that. Then they have a bowl game. They have a largely revamped defense, a ? at RB, and their QB has not performed well when facing strong competition at both Ole Miss and Michigan. 

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allinosu's picture

More dangerous for who? Everybody runs the spread so everybody defenses it. The are poor at RB and their defense lacks quality depth that will get tested now that the offense speeds up and they won't get the rest they are used to. Don Brown has been exposed and he will not be able run his pressure defense like in the past. The moment will be too big for Gattis. He is a back up coordinator who is trying to take more credit than he deserves. I have them losing to Wisconsin and OSU while ND,MSU, Iowa, PSU and Army are not gimme games. Plus they lose their bowl AGAIN. Quit buying into the hype.

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Hovenaut's picture

They almost have to go with this, seeing they have no established/experienced running back.

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

I don't know why we are making fun of them

 because we can

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Spartan13's picture

I would rather make fun of them for thinking they will win the big ten this year after losing their entire defense than going to an objectively better offense and improving schematically

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huffdaddy's picture

Patterson is pretty good. They have 3 very good WRs and a good line. If they get out of their own way on play calls, they have a fighting chance.

They will be hurt by not having a credible RB threat. But this will help them, no doubt. 

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Buck-n-A's picture

They have a good line built to pound it up the middle but is their line equipped to run an RPO scheme?

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huffdaddy's picture

Unclear. But Warriner, while a terrible offensive coordinator, can coach the line. I would bet they will be pretty good. 

Of course, our D-Line will be very, very good. 

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Il_Padrino's picture

Not true - they WILL lose at least the next 4 games against The OSU.

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Brutus865's picture

I see the potential for 6 losses..

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stcburn's picture

RPO! The acronym alone has me shaking in my boots.

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jrunyan's picture

That's better then the acronym for their last offense: POOP (Painfully Offensive Offensive Production)

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youra6's picture

Pack it up folks, nothing is beating this comment.

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Il_Padrino's picture

Really Painful Offense?

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Zonabuck's picture

The RB depth chart is scary thin, so going to more of a spread formation makes sense. We’ll see how hands off Jimmy can be, though. 

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BuckeyeDropout's picture

This seems like it could’ve just been a comment in one of the thousand other Michigan forums posted here every week. 

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DonTurner's picture

Gattis is not known for his prowess in play calling.  He is noted as a great recruiter.    *ichigan will try the hurry up offense to tire defenses out.  Sometimes that works, other times it can confuse players on the offense and bad things happen.     The most important thing is *atterson is known to fold under good defenses.   I read an article that they took the handcuffs of of *atterson so who will call the plays ?  Maybe a blend called Gattison ?    

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allbucksallthetime's picture

I think the one defense they will tire out is their own.  If you look at the last several seasons, their defense has had great difficulty making it to the finish line in big games or to end the season.  You can't just change an offensive approach without making adjustments on the defensive side.  Hammerhead Don Brown has shown little ability to adjust so it will be interesting.  Go Bucks!  Screw Blue!

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PhillyNut's picture

For all the crap they deserve they do have some really good players and always have. If the coaches can truly teach it, if Harbaugh can keep his hands off, and if key players do not get hurt they could be very good on offense. It will be interesting to see if their linemen can adapt.

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aj99's picture

Harbaugh's one true enemy is himself. If he can- don't worry, because he can't- stay out of the way of his coaches and quarterbacks then they can get by with another 2-loss season. He'll melt down after Army gives them a run. It's got to be killing them trying to install a new offense and get used to new defensive coaches when their first game is Army. If Army beats them it will be glorious. They'll lose at least two of at Wiscy, ND, MSU, at PSU, tOSU.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

The forward pass? 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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thunderhawks51's picture

They probably watched our film against Minnesota and saw how much we struggled to stop it. Hopefully our new defensive staff has already addressed that issue

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Das Hufeisen's picture

You mean Maryland?

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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thunderhawks51's picture

All of the above. Minnesota stuck out more to me because that's all they ran the whole game. Purdue and Maryland had a little more diversity in the play calling

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

They will lose 4-5 games this year.

Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.

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blu.fan's picture

No one knows how Michigan will really do this year. I am extremely sceptical about any predictions in the summer. Everything is always rosy and upbeat. Let's see the play on the field.

  • Imhe, an awful lot hinges on the OL. I have a lot of faith in Warinner. Michigan has NOT had 5 good OL working in unison and dominating in a long, long time. This started at the tail end of Carr's tenure. Things cratered under Rodriguez, and Hoke continued that trend. Last year they were . . . ok. Run game was good, pass protection was poor. This year could be the year when things really turn around. The interior is solid. The LT should be good. The RT is the only position that I don't know about. If they can provide running lanes, pull well, provide solid pass protection, and stay healthy, this could be the key. The thing I'm really excited about is 6 solid true freshmen who can all redshirt. And 4 verbal commits for 2020 on the OL.
  • Gattis is the big unknown. And whether Harbaugh can keep his hands off the offense. We really don't know what is going to happen. No one does. If Patterson is protected, and the receivers almost all stay healthy, and freshman RB Charbonnet ends up being the first great RB since forever, they could finally get over the hump.
  • What kind of offense? We don't know yet. No one does. Sure, RPO, and speed in space, but it is obvious that what Michigan was doing wasn't working. There are too many variables here to know how it will play out. However, Michigan's schedule is extremely back-loaded. I don't mean disrespect, but I don't think Wisconsin or PSU are going to be all that great this year. The first major challenge has to be ND. And both ND and OSU are home games. Michigan has 10 weeks of practice and games before ND. That's long enough to get it together. Of course, as everyone knows, TOSU is Michigan's hardest game and biggest hurdle to overcome. I am kind of down about if and whether that will happen.
  • The OP was not about defense, so I won't say much. Let's just say that I have a bit of sour grapes with a couple guys on defense looking forward to the NFL last year. I expect that the defense this year will be more disciplined and focused than last year. Even though we won't replace the athleticism of Rashan Gary and Devin Bush, overall, I think the defense will be solid and will do well.
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allinosu's picture

BLU, there isn't a team that cannot say a lot depends on the offensive line. Same for OSU. BUT changing their time control offense WILL affect their defense negatively. The one thing I keep reading up north is the concern for the lack of quality depth on defense and now there will be more plays with less rest and they won't get away with just a few dlineman subs. On top of that the template is out there against Don Brown's bread and butter defense. He was exposed the last two games. He was able to dominate with less because of pressing pressure and now he will have to play more zone. They will take a big step back.

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blu.fan's picture

That's what we'll all be watching to see: whether Michigan's offense steps up, and whether the defense takes a big step back.

The one thing that galls me just a bit about TOSU is that you guys on the one hand (and rightly so) gloat about your superior recruiting and the talent on the field. The fact is, you have better players in terms of athleticism than all but a couple teams in the country. On the other hand, you mock teams (including Michigan) for "substandard coaching" such that teams can't keep up with you. The reality is that you can run circles around virtually everyone else because you have more speed, strength, size, etc. Just be glad you are an OSU fan.

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Extramedium's picture

Bringing in top level talent is part of a coach's job, and also the result of potential recruits seeing the results of good coaching

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allinosu's picture

I wasn't gloating but pointing out that the template is out there for beating Don Brown's defense. I think he will have to use more zone this year for two reasons. One is everyone will cross on him and second he doesn't have the depth to account for speeding up the offense. More plays will be run on offense and more on defense. How many times did you see long drawn out drives that rested the defense last year so only a few dlineman had to be used. I got the info of depth problems from UM sites so I'm not hating. Secondly I said our oline will determine our fate also. There are legit questions there as well as with stud. I'm seeing a lot of rolling of the dice with Gattis who really hasn't proven or been asked to do what he's doing now and I think UM will take some lumps adjusting to the new situation. You could become a middle of the pack BIG 12 team if a few things go wrong but at least they swung at the pitch.

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JarheadBuck's picture

Harbaugh can keep his hands off the offense

If they (OL) can provide running lanes, pull well, provide solid pass protection, and stay healthy,

If Patterson is protected, and the receivers almost all stay healthy, and freshman RB Charbonnet ends up being the first great RB since forever,

There never has and never will be a team that wouldn't be vastly improved IF...

the uncreative, stale real OC lets someone competent do the job, the OL is improved, the QB is protected, the WR all stay healthy and they find a great RB.

If the sky is sunny and blue...it's not raining right now.

I might as well say something similar about Central Michigan...if their QB throws for 4000yds, they have a 1,500yd rusher and everyone stays healthy it'll be a great fall in Mt. Pleasant.

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blu.fan's picture

There never has and never will be a team that wouldn't be vastly improved IF...

the uncreative, stale real OC lets someone competent do the job, the OL is improved, the QB is protected, the WR all stay healthy and they find a great RB.

I agree with you 100%. My point is this. I don't think any other team in the Big 10, besides tOSU and Michigan, could compete at a national championship playoff level. Michigan is UNLIKELY to do it. But they have enough talent that they COULD do it if everything falls just right for them.

As it stands, I fully expect TOSU to continue their dominance. But Michigan has a chance to break your stranglehold if the things I mentioned go right.

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Zonabuck's picture

If TTUN were to win the B1G, they're in, without question.  Even if they were to lose to Purdue by 29 along the way.  The CFP is so desperate to make people think this is a legit playoff that they'd do anything to bring along new blood.  But TTUN cannot compete for the CFP championship, just like Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State or anyone else outside of Alabama, Clemson, Georgia or Ohio State.  And only one or two of those four are capable of competing in any given year.  The system is built to test the best - quality depth, coaching, S&C, Administration support, etc.  This is not a tourney where a team can "get hot" and make a run.  The CFP is won during all 12 months, not just in the four team tourney.  That's why it is bullshit when they rewrite rules on the fly to keep teams out.  If it's about the best four teams, those four would be in every year.

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sivaDavis's picture

Any upgrade to their offense with the weapons they have at WR is scary. I will go into every season thinking about the last game of the year, doesn’t matter if they are 0-11 at the time. It means that much. 

Just remember.

Respect The Rivalry.

"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes

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grantlandR's picture

Respect The Rivalry, not the rival!

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LawClub's picture

Respect both. You can dislike and respect them.

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Banks of olentangy's picture

For all of the hype, scum better watch it or they could start 1-2 real easily. Army is a good team and will obviously fight to the end. And it’s hard to go to Madison and win.  1-2 would be meltdown city on Mgoblog and would be glorious.

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Il_Padrino's picture

Army = R E S P E C T

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mizzer's picture

Truth be told, I’m glad WE’RE not playing Army this year. They should be a very tough opponent for anyone.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I keep reading comments about their transition from an antiquated offensive scheme, but if you saw their drives against us last year, they used spread formations out of shotgun/pistol with a decent amount of success. In fact, they scored on us enough to normally win with said scheme ALBEIT AGAINST OUR NOT SO GREAT DEFENSIVE SCHEME last year, bit the point I am making is that it may be fun to say they are evolving, but let's be real, the film doesn't like - they used spread concepts last year. Also,the talk isn't so much about RPO as it is about tempo. Either way, it all just comes down to one thing, respect the rivalry, hot them in mouth again and again and again, and then afterwards feel free to relax, and enjoy another w

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Brutus Buckeye's picture

So then what are they doing with all of their Fullbacks? 

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Il_Padrino's picture

They're fetching water and keeping the cups in the jock supporters changed out. 

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buckeyenut74's picture

I think the OP was talking about how they act like this is something new. I think we all know how dangerous the system is.

One thing I will say though, they better hope they have a serviceable backup because that system exposes the QB. 

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Thats exactly what I was getting at. And youre right, the rpo up tempo offense is brutal on quarterbacks, they take so many hits it isn't funny.

Everybody is worried about Shea Patterson, remember he got benched a year ago in favor of a true freshman, he isnt a good quarterback, he is terrible against elite and good defenses, which I see us having an elite defense again.

I respect the rivalry, I'm just not concerned. Quarterback is good against terrible defense, they have zero running backs and think a walk on is gonna light the world on fire, the receivers are good but have never shown out against a good secondary, especially dpj hes over rated, the o line has zero depth, one injury and they are in for pain.

Theyre losing to Army, because they dont respect Army, they have this entitlement where they just think because they are them that everyone should bow before them, they think theyre Bama every year, when theyre more on the level of northwestern.

Respect the rivalry, absolutely, respect them not a chance in hell. I hope Ryan Day goes for 100 on them, then in the press conference laugh and say theyre piss poor defense should have tried a little harder

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RollRedRoll's picture

Please do not besmirch Northwestern by saying TTUN is on their level. Northwestern is a bunch of lower tier athletes playing as a team and well above their individual abilities, while TTUN is a team that is only good at running their mouths while accomplishing literally nothing in this century. I know what you were trying to compare, but NU does more with less, while TTUN does less with more. 

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PsyBuck's picture

Reasons I'm not worried.

1. It's *ichigan

2. See rule #1

3. There's nothing new about the spread offense. But what IS new is TTUN employing it, and to expect that it will be a seamless transition to a COMPLETELY new offense is a bit delusional. The growing pains alone are going to cost them at least 1-2 games against the likes of army, ND, MSU, Wisconsin.

4. She Patterson has to be THE most overrated QB in a major power 5 program. Beats up on crappy defenses like any average QB should, then gets his shit absolutely blown up against top tier defenses. Beyond that, he's gonna take a POUNDING running this new offense and he doesn't exactly scream durability to me.

5. Their O-line starters are amongst the best in the country, but behind them the depth is nowhere near what it will need to be to run this high tempo type of offense. Oh, and one of their starting O lineman appears to be poised to miss a bunch of time already with a knee injury.

6. The defense will have to be on the field much much more than last year. Combine that with losing a TON of talent on that side of the ball, and the result is a scoring defense that takes a massive hit.

7. The likelihood that both of these statements is true is unlikely.... Harbaugh will keep his hands off the offensive playbook. And Gattis is a top national talent at playcalling. What's more likely is that the offense will struggle transitioning and hairball starts getting anxious and somewhere near the end of the season he has *ichigan back to the 1980s.

8. It's *ichigan. And even if they're "better", it's not gonna be "better" enough to close the massive talent gap between them and us in both player ability and coaching prowess.

TL;DR I'm not worried and look forward to the impending implosion of the skunkweasels.

"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

RPO = run power often

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Red Shirt Ensign's picture

I'm praying for an Early loss to Army for TTUN, I want the dumpster fire started early this year as chaos takes over!

"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"

 

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Rocket Man's picture

Revolutionary, you don't say?

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Zonabuck's picture

Man, I’ll take Jimmy’s creativity all day, every day. 

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OzzyGuy's picture

3 reasons I think Michigan fans are excited about the change in offensive philosophy:

1. The personnel is set-up well for it. Patterson does better on the move and has adequate speed. As does McCaffrey & Milton, if injuries plague the QB position. The strength of the team is in the WRs, with 2-3 likely heading to the NFL next year (DPJ, Collins, Black). The OL spent a lot of last year working with zone concepts, which will continue this year. The biggest unknown, RB, isn't utilized as much in the offense and can be utilized in a more "platoon" style until someone separates themselves.

2. No-huddle / speed. No, I'm not talking about #SpeedInSpace. I'm talking about the actual pace. How often did Michigan snap the ball within 3 seconds of the play-clock last year? They were one of the slower-paced teams in the country, offensively. That means a couple things: 1) It won't be until the third quarter that you start to pull away from teams, and 2) If you're behind in a game, you are in TROUBLE. It felt like if Michigan had the ball in a 2-minute drill, it was already game-over. They moved extremely slow and didn't know how to operate outside of huddling. I think it'll allow them to get experience for back-ups quicker against the Rutgers of the world and still have a shot when they fall behind in games against teams worth a damn.

3. Dynamics. Similar to #2, how often did Michigan feel doomed if they didn't get 3/4 yards on 1st down? It was a grinding offense that relied on wearing teams down over time. However, you're severely limited if you're not getting positive plays. In contrast, against OSU, I felt like if you guys weren't in 3rd & 15+, you had plenty of plays to get yourself out of that situation. It didn't feel the same for Michigan the past few years.

The notion that Harbaugh will "jump in" at the first sign of struggles in the offense is pretty asinine. They spent the entire spring / fall prepping the offense with the RPO system. To scrap that and try to re-implement an entirely different offense is coach suicide.

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OSU56's picture

Typical yearly hype from the boys up north- like the September Heisman, you get the talk but eventually the walk is no where to be found. It’s Monday morning and 2,823 days since OSU has lost to the boys up North

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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