Matthew Baldwin Won't Be Eligible to Play Immediately for TCU, But Is It Because of Circumstance or Bad Timing?

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I figured, much like most things, it would level itself out. I didn't think it would happen that quick and what seemed like a broken levy with water covering everything, but it seems like they realize how critical everyone is being about it. 

It's still a mess, for crying out loud. 

The NCAA doesn't think much through when they initiate something. 

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Hockeybuck's picture

I was going to bring up the cases of Ford and Hoffman, but you did it for me.

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milhouse4588's picture

Someone was bound to get burned after the recent changes. Just sucks it was one of our guys.

Maybe the NCAA will stay consistent for a couple years this time and judge things the same for everyone over the next couple of offseasons.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

Maybe the NCAA will stay consistent for a couple years this time and judge things the same for everyone over the next couple of offseasons.

 And what in the history of the NCAA makes you think that is a possibility? They just make up the rules as they go.

Love the Animaniacs "wheel of morality" reference.

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milhouse4588's picture

The thing I immediately thought of concerning their decision making process was the South Park scene where the government cuts a chickens head off and it runs around a chart and wherever it dies is what they choose.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Extramedium's picture

I honestly don’t think he would have gotten it anyways.  It wasn’t like Tate- the coach who recruited him left and a new one came in that doesn’t run his offense.  I actually think Tate had a better case than Fields, especially considering what his lawyer said about the circumstances.  But don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining.

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redwoodz's picture

I’ve always wondered why grown men seem to get so upset about some kid they don’t know transferring and getting to play right away? 

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BTBuckeye's picture

Grown people, please

Totally agree. I always root for these kids. Things didn't work out. They're young. It's Ok. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

ESPN just read this and is currently in talks with the NCAA to create a weekly show called "Decision Wheel" to be aired every Monday evening, it will be a 2 hour segment, an hour and 45 minutes of discussing the predictions of how the wheel might fall on that given day, followed by 15 minutes of every portal member taking their turn at the wheel.  Disney is ecstatic.

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Clarky's picture

Martell isn't going to start for Miami, he'll likely be third string once their camp is done. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Immediate back-up eligibility.  

BucksHave7

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Kevbo714's picture

Kyle "blood on the field" Kalis... 0-5

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

The Animaniacs were my favorite growing up. Even pushing 40 I'd watch it if it came on now.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

They had the entire series on sale at Walmart oh, so I picked it up and now my kids are watching in the car as we drive places. So good

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xrox's picture

"Today's lesson is...

Sanctions on Mizzou are always appropriate."

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Buckifan4Life's picture

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old system. A player wants to transfer, they sit out a year. A commitment is a commitment. Make a wise choice of which school to play for and work hard to get on the field.

Hey,...you kids,...get off my lawn!!!

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BuckNut_1974's picture

I get that. But I think they should be allowed to transfer 1 time without penalty. People are free to leave their jobs at any time in the real world if they aren't happy. Students are allowed to leave and go to another university if they aren't happy. Why cant a student athlete be able to do the same? I know that student athletes are on scholarships, that's why is should only be allowed once without penalty.

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The Buck Guy's picture

That's flawed logic.  You're making a number of false equivalencies. 

1. Yes, students are free to leave a university to attend elsewhere (or not), but they retain the financial costs. A student who receives an academic scholarship loses that scholarship when they drop from a school and won't get it again at wherever they transfer to.  Even needs-based scholarships are non-transferable.  This is obviously not the same for athletes who transfer, and THAT is what needs to be ended.

2. There is no correlation between a student athlete and someone working in the real world.  Yes, people are free to leave their jobs.  But they have to live with the consequences of doing so. And they aren't being given thousands of dollars to play a game with the added benefit of a college degree (or multiple degrees).  Student athletes aren't employees, they're lottery winners.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

The thing with the NCAA is that the are mostly reactionary as opposed to proactive. Reactionary steps will be needed in some cases, but if you are prepared and are seeing what is really happening in your organization, then proactive steps will be positive. Then again, this is the NCAA we are talking about and doing the right things does not seem to be a priority. 

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ibuck's picture

The word you want is reactive, rather than reactionary.

Reactionary is a political term meaning opposing reform, being conservative or right-wing.

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j2gobucks's picture

Seriously, it shouldnt be this hard.  If they cant meet any of the "immediate eligibility" criteria, count it as a gray shirt (or pink shirt or whatever) - so long as they are and continue to make academic progress towards a degree the off year doesnt count towards the 4 years of playing eligibility.  Players SHOULD be immediately eligible to play if:

1) the player has not seen significant playing time (> 1/10th of O or D snaps or a special teams starter) during their first 2 years of eligibility (not counting any redshirt/grayshirt years) - meaning if they transfer as a RS Soph or a Junior they would be immediately eligible and have 2 seasons to play.  They COULD NOT use this option 2x.

2) if the school receives NCAA sanctions from events prior to the player signing a LOI. 

3) If the school has a Head Coaching change. 

4) graduate transfers.

Everything else - 1 year of sitting out, and with academic progress it doesnt count against eligibility.  In Baldwin's case, he would have 4 years of eligibility left.  Take out the BS - including Fields, Martell, etc. from this year.  

Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT

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BrutusB's picture

I posted this in the Skully, but it’s the arbitrary decsions that need to go away. Either let them all play or let none of them play. At least then it would be completely consistent and transparent. 

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AC1972's picture

"If I had an institutional path towards hanging out with Gloria Estefan, my body would be shaking and doing the conga until I couldn't control myself any longer right there with him"

That's a weird reference, Johnny...

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Meek's picture

But it should check out if you were born in 1972.

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cjkanski's picture

Come on AC, Don't you fight it til you tried it, do that conga beat.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

The NCAA always reminds me of the school recess monitor that is constantly blowing their whistle to warn the kids not to try and climb up the slide, backwards, or hang from their feet on the monkey-bars.  

They’ll practically trip over the kids that are throwing rocks at each other or chasing some helpless misfit with bad intentions, in order to “correct and discipline” the others.  It’s completely arbitrary at best

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Sunny Buck's picture

If a player wants to transfer from University A to University B and both parties agree, then let it happen. If University A denies the request, then let the higher powers decide.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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The Buck Guy's picture

They're free to transfer anywhere that will accept them at anytime.  They shouldn't get an automatic athletic scholarship for doing so.  Just as academic and needs-based scholarships aren't transferable, and virtually impossible to obtain again elsewhere.  Why should athletes be given precedence over academic students?  They obviously shouldn't.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Sad that he won't be given a chance this year. ACL should be healed and it could have been a fresh start. Same rules and conditions should be in place for all players. Maybe an additional 12 months will allow him more strength and conditioning (knee) and next year will be good for him.

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