Skull Session: Dwayne Haskins' Poise, Michigan's Goals Remain the Same, and Big Ten Coaches Remember Assistant Days

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Haskins always seemed to be pretty unshakable. I always respected that about him, MAN, the redskins got a good one. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Clarky's picture

Ahem, I think you're forgetting about someone. The Redskins got two good ones...

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joethejester's picture

Haskins was always going to look good and poised during OTAs and camp settings. The question is if he can manage his emotions with a blitzer in his face that will actually hit him. I think he did better towards the end of the year last year. His passer ratings were all world with a clean pocket but suffered when pressed. 

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IGotAWoody's picture

His passer ratings were all world with a clean pocket but suffered when pressed.

Which accurately describes every great QB, ever.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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BbBnD's picture

Yeah... If pressuring a QB wasn’t effective, it wouldn’t be a thing. The “he isn’t as good under pressure” comments always make me laugh. 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

The 'We felt like it was our time' sentiment is desperation. To me it says that the only way that team can win is in the percentage that no one team can win forever. Seems a bit pathetic.

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allinosu's picture

It's funny to listen to each group come in year after year mouthing off that they are the solution and then fail. Maybe one day they will learn to shut up and work on being the solution but I guess it's hard when the whole program was built on hype and the distant past.

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Buckabroad's picture

Imo it doesn't just seem pathetic, it is. Moreover, that was one of the most useless speeches I have heard. Does Hudson really mean to suggest that a coaching change on an opponent's staff would alter one's desire to win games? Oh well, now that they have a new coach, our goal shouldn't be to win anymore. If I understood that correctly, that is quite foolish.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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allinosu's picture

I like one of the articles from up there from Detroit news where they said Shea just couldn't leave things the way they are, meaning that's why he didn't go pro. Bullshit! If he thought he would be drafted in the first half of the draft he was gone. The scenario is he came back to beat OSU, like a few others said (Mike Hart and his QB).

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Wish I could remember the article, I believe it was GBMwolverine.com? Anyways the guy basically wrote that Michigan doesn't have to do what OSU does all season to prepare for the game. And i'm thinking why in the hell is that? Obviously what they've been doing isn't working.

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MassiveAttack's picture

Not defending a Michigan Man, but I read his statements as, "Just because they have a new coach, we don't feel a new sense of urgency to beat them."

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Yeah, I don't think you understood it correctly; he's saying the opposite, likely in response to a question he was asked about the goal or preparation changing. He's saying it doesn't change.

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SilverHaven's picture

It is desperate-- they're looking for help from outside themselves.

"The basic difference between an ordinary man and a warrior is that a warrior takes everything as a challenge, while an ordinary man takes everything as either a blessing or a curse."
(Don Juan in Tales of Power)

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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OSU56's picture

Boys up north always think it's their time, but the "thinking it" part goes to oh-oh, were getting our butts handed to us again shortly after the 1st quarter. 

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Buctor's picture

In fairness, I'd think over the last couple of decades the Buckeye players, coaches, staff, and fans were thinking the staff changes up north would change the dynamic for The game as well.  The difference of course is that the folks at OSU got what they wanted to occur, the folks up north, not so much!  Maybe God just likes us more.  He did put OSU in the heart of it all and them in a mitten, not even a glove, a mitten, you know a little kid's glove!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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allinosu's picture

I think they just plain want it more all the way around. Better coaches, players and game plan.

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DCDDC's picture

And always reaching up for the rest of their state that broke off.

m GO BLOW!!!

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WestSideTower'79's picture

BTN had a show earlier this week about Harby the Harpy taking his team on African safari, bonding his teammates by looking lions in the eyeball.

OTOH, tOSU does that over Golden Pants Awards ceremonies as reported here earlier this month or, starting next week, circle drills at the Woody.

Sorta 'splains the way things are.

North until you smell it, west until you step in it

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Invictus Buck's picture

Or we do it when Urban as the now RETIRED coach gives a speech that made everyone in that room and everyone that heard it want to run through a damn wall in JULY. Yea tell me they want it as bad as us. Working and Winning is the best bonding experience.

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Dillon G's picture

Oh Friday’s....making margaritas with the new GF at her pool tonight, while I tell them how great Dwayne Haskins is.

#walkaway

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Hovenaut's picture

Part of me wants Haskins to win the starting job, and part of me is deathly afraid of the Redskins rushing him out too early behind a line that may not able to protect him.

But if Haskins indeed has poise, he'll handle that pressure.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Kevin, they did in fact make a change .. to their scheme and OC having autonomy; however, results is a whole other puzzle they continue to try to solve with little success these past 20+ years

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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IGotAWoody's picture

Ironically, they made that change to their offense after epic beatdowns by OSU (62-39) and FL (41-15). In both those games, it was their supposedly world-beating defense that struggled the most. 

It will be interesting to see how this new offense does with running the ball - especially given the losses at RB.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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PRO8's picture

The Bucks running game lacked last year so a hitting on all cylinders running game is not mandatory in winning a lot of games. I really think ttun will have an excellent passing attack this year not so much because of a new O or OC but because they have some excellent WR's Peoples Jones, Nico Collins(?)  and a fairly good  QB in Patterson  thus like the Bucks of last year I think they can use the passing game to open up the running game to  being adequate with just average RB's. The big question is if their OLINE can make that happen but I definitely think they have that opportunity.

As usual though I think the Bucks will be prepared with a more balanced O that can attack you with either the run or the pass with the addition of JF and what I think will be a better OLINE that will be helped by the fact that we have a QB that has to be accounted for and can do things in the running game. That said we truly have more questions that need answered when it comes to the O mostly do to the personnel changes at QB and WR. So I can see the hype for ttuns O so we will have to see how that turns out.

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IGotAWoody's picture

I think we have a lot more answers on the defensive side of the ball, too, especially the DLINE. They lost a lot of talent from a D that got absolutely smoked in its final 2 games last year. I expect a lot of growing pains from them as their D figures out what they're doing with a lot of new starters and a lot of new bodies in the 2 deep.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Lighteyes's picture

The multi-monitor article is interesting because it tracks 100% with my experiences and previous work in IT. Every single person who got a multi-monitor setup for the first time was exactly the same:

Before the person tries it: “Why would I need a second monitor? That seems kind of unnecessary. One works just fine!”

One month later: “This is awesome! Why the heck didn’t I do this sooner? A single screen just seems awful now!”

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Frimmel's picture

That was less than twenty minutes for me. They upgraded our department's computers and we got new big widescreen monitors. They also let us keep the old monitor since the new cards would support it. I was all, "What am I going to do with all this screen?" I was the instigator for letting us go dual but when the time came I started doubting. I figured it out real quick. Huge timesaver. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Major H's picture

At home I have 11W on one monitor and email or whatever on the other.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Ethos's picture

I work in one of our companies engineering centers and they’ve had dual monitors there forever and a lot of the software guys have three or huge 40 inch displays. A couple years ago they tried to get the engineers to use their laptop screen as the second screen and a small revolution started. DONT touch my second monitor son, you may not make it back to that dark IT room alive. 

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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IGotAWoody's picture

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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letsgobucks's picture

I'll never go back to one (or two) monitors again!!! **sharpens knife**

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Kasino Royale's picture

Church. Give me two or three monitors or give me death (or time off.... I'll take the time off instead)

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MassiveAttack's picture

At my work, most people have twin monitors, plus their laptop screen.  Typically with email open on the laptop screen.  Most people put the twins monitors side-by-side, in the normal landscape layout.  Others rotate 1 of the twins monitors to the portrait layout.  

It really is very effective for programming.

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Baskin Robbins? Nah, Haskins Dobbins - KannonMic

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Multiple monitors is crucial if you host (or view) WebEx, Skype or Teams meetings. Need to have the one monitor queued up with what you're sharing and the other monitors for what you aren't.

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CowCat's picture

That's true. Web meetings are much easier with two monitors. I use a Macbook Pro as my "everything" machine.  I have a second hi-res lange monitor which I use to focus on my work and the MacBook holds all the small screens, e.g. messages, Photoshop tool palettes, etc. But for video conferences I use the Macbook b/c it already has the monitor and microphone built-in. i can continue doing other work on the big screen, e.g. if someone is talking about something irrelevant to me.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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MeatBichigan's picture

Well, it pretty resoundingly was not.

 Too perfect.

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blueblazer22's picture

Every 15 minutes is quite the idea, and I could see how it may have an impact on some students, but also not on others. It did remind me of the old Scared Straight from back in the day. 

The assistants-now-head coaches answers don't surprise me at all. I would guess that the majority of people get into coaching to actually coach, and to have that taken away as you move up the ladder seems counterintuitive in a way. Understandable due to the way things are now, but if the head man is a CEO then how much time does he have to coach? This is why I like the idea of Day continuing to call plays-to stay more involved in the nuts and bolts without getting into real minutiae. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Dillon G's picture

If you go by individual players then Meyer vs Tressel are definitely close. Some all time greats on both sides of the ball.

Where Meyer is better was the offensive line, and team depth.

#walkaway

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JTFor President2016's picture

This times 100. Perfect comment. The best of the best from both teams were pretty even. But while Maurice Wells was backing up Beanie, Curtis Samuel was backing up Zeke. 

Tress had guys like Gibson and Heyward on the Dline, but nothing ever compared to the depth the 2017 D-line had. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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cledaybuck's picture

I think you are forgetting just how nasty the 2002 and 2003 DL's were.

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JTFor President2016's picture

I was leaving out the years where we had mainly Cooper players. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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Dillon G's picture

I’m not. Nor will I say all these recent DBs are better than Gamble or Jenkins. 

#walkaway

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rkylet83's picture

I disagree with Kyle Jones that Michigan’s defense being great is a known, just because Don Brown is coaching it.  There is a ton of new faces and unknown players that have to step up.  Only 5 returning starters. That like saying our offense is going to be great with all of the unknowns and only 4 returning starters.  

Not to mention, how has Don Brown not caught flack for the last two games?  His defense got absolutely destroyed against us and Florida.  I don’t remember people patting Everett Withers and Luke Fickell on the back after our three game skid in 2013.  

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Ethos's picture

Because for them this isn’t a skid. It’s a landing. 

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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allinosu's picture

Speeding their offense means more defensive plays. They will have to use backup(which they haven't done) a lot more. They will take a step back on defense.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I think Michigan will be ok defensively, at least before they play you guys simply because Big10 offenses aren't very dynamic. PSUs offense will take a step back, Spartys offense is average at best etc...Michigan has pretty good depth although unproven on the D-line. Daxton Hill needs to be good early, because Michigan's weakness is still safeties and nickel corner in coverage.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

TTUN always excels defensively against middle to lower tier teams. Ohio State exploited TTUN’s lack of overall speed. The Buckeyes isolated Watson every chance they got and constantly burned him with speed receivers. Brown is a good DC, but you can’t dominate teams that have a lot of quality depth if you don’t have that type of depth. The biggest shock for me last year was the ineptness of TTUN’s defensive line. The only time they laid a glove on Haskins was the illegal hit that the officials somehow missed.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Ya the D-line certainly didn't help the secondary at all. Michigan has a talented line, but outside of Paye and Uche it's very young. Brandon Watson was a liability in coverage his entire career. Ryan Day was very smart to see that, because he was the only coach that really attacked him mercilessly. The good news for Michigan is he graduated and Ambry Thomas and Hill are plenty fast enough at the 2 corner spots, just need to upgrade speed at safety. What Ryan Day did to Don Brown and Michigan's defense would have me very confident if I was a Buckeye fan for years to come even without Haskins.

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allinosu's picture

You can't speed up the offense without putting the defense in the fire more often. They better have quality depth or they will become a mid Big 12 team.

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Snake64's picture

Michigan D line ineptitude has been something i've been mentioning for a few months now when fans here claim we stole their best two defensive coaches.

I cannot for the life of me figure out how anyone can justify Mattison as being a steal. All you have to do is look at how poorly his D line position group looks against every team with a pulse. Michigan's defensive issues against us Florida and ND all started at the D line. No pressure just lets the qb sit back and pick away at a man coverage. Sure Don Brown deserves criticism for his teams defense but the criticism starts at the D line. I sure hope he's a better coordinator than he was a position coach because although he's helped kids get into the NFL i haven't seen any stand out in big games or really make any noise in the pros.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

In fairness Gary who was an underachiever anyway wasn't 100%, neither was Winovich. I questioned why Brown didn't use Euche or Paye more and take those two out, not that it would've changed the score. Michigan was pressuring Barrett quite a bit in the '16 game, I believe Charlton or Gary had 2.5 sacks. The line had good games against Wisky(decent O-line) MSU, and PSU as well this past year. Mattison has proven in his career that he's a good coach, position wise or coordinator. He was the Ravens D-Line coach if i'm not mistaken.

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Snake64's picture

I think i specifically mentioned how his D line performed against teams with a pulse and gave you 3 examples from last year. ND Florida and OSU are the only 3 they beat with a pulse and in ALL 3 games their D line was nonexistent. MSU Wisky and PSU were bottom dwellers last year as far as i'm concerned so have fun with taking pride that the D line played well in those games.

Well i'm sure glad you're happy Mattison won some hardware for D line coach. But his line still didn't do shit against the great teams. Not like Clemson Bama OSU D lines play when they see other elite competition. I'd call that award Stat Padding.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Wisky and PSU were ranked....Lets not pretend they were "bottom dwellers". Michigan was far from great, no doubt about that. The defense kept them in the ND game in the 2nd half. We agree to disagree I guess, as you seem to think Mattison is a disaster. I don't think he would be on big time staffs in college and the pros if that's the case. The only reason I brought up 2016 is because you said his D-line never played well against teams with a pulse, when the reality is they pressured Barrett for most of the game and they weren't the reason they lost.

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Snake64's picture

Wisconsin MSU and PSU were all ranked when Michigan played them but none of them should have at the end of the season and MSU and Wisky weren't. PSU only beat 1 ranked team all season but lost to everyone else. They were definition of mediocre and MSU and Wisky were both garbage by seasons end. So yea they were bottom dwellers, if you want to do mental gymnastics to defend those wins that's fine by me.

I don't think Mattison is a disaster I just don't simply agree with the narrative that we stole their two best defensive coaches. Mattison as a position coach was not that good in hindsight if you actually look back at the position and Al Washington i have no idea about because he only coached 1 season at TTUN and honestly the unit was already one of the best in the country from the season prior. I believe they had better numbers the season prior when "blood in my mouth" Patridge was coaching them. 

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Not defending wins, Michigan doesn't have signature wins under Harbaugh. Was just talking strictly about how the d-line/defense played in those games. Mattison wanted to have a bigger role than D-line coach, Harbaugh couldn't do that so he moved on. I think your defense will improve with both of those guys but we'll see.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Found this article, Mattison won D-line coach of the year in 2016 and gives some stats on the season including finishing in the top5 that season for Sacks and tackles for loss. Also shows how well Michigan's defense played on 3rd down. http://footballscoop.com/news/greg-mattison-footballscoop-2016-defensive...

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BbBnD's picture

Mattison was hired because he has experience and is a known teacher of fundamentals, which OSU sorely lacked last year. He wasn’t hired to be the D Line or a position coach. 

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painterlad's picture

Total homerism on my part, but Brutus is the standard by which all other mascots will be measured (and thus fall short).

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

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Keze's picture

Our profession’s crazy. As an assistant coach, 95% of your job is coaching

Maybe put a little more time in recruiting

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NewPhilaFan's picture

Fortunately, Finebaum didn't ask Kyle to discuss TTUN on a Friday.

69 in 18

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niblick's picture

Gabe's a great kid, have known him for a few years.  Tried to hire him actually but he chose another company.

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Poisonous Nuts's picture

Re: The Mafia Doc - reminded me of Crimetown season 1, which is a podcast from Gimlet that was all about Raymond Patriarca (the episode about the doc was called “The doctor Broad”) as well as notorious mayor of Providence Buddy Cianci. If you haven’t listened, it’s a GREAT listen. 

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Kasino Royale's picture

Ain't nothing wrong with giving someone a lil Henny at Taco Bell. In fact you should be able to buy Henny at Taco Bell.

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erniefurgler's picture

In the Haskins clip above, anyone ever notice the Michigan DB wave his towel at the ball trying to defend the pass?  Kinda sums up the UM program over the past 10 years...  But i do wonder what the call would be if the waving of the towel would have affected the pass...is that legal?

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HandsOfSweed's picture

He wasn't waiving it. He was trying to throw it in, but somehow hilariously failed in classic Mythagain fashion.

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buckeyearchie76's picture

It is just amazing how much we are in the heads of the Wolverines!  They have a rough schedule before they play us and all they can think about is a game that is the last one on their schedule.  Going to Penn State and Wisconsin will not be a picnic for them. And don't forget they have a home game with both MSU and Notre Dame as well.    Keep thinking that way and they may be out of it before we step on the field at Ann Arbor.  GO BUCKS!

Louis Haynes

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Hudson was asked specifically about the late season struggles(OSU, bowl game) but ya i'd say of course OSU is in their heads. Biggest game on the schedule and haven't won in awhile so ya it goes without saying.

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Snake64's picture

I'd say there biggest problem over the last 20 years is not paying enough attention to the Buckeyes throughout the whole season. 
Our coaches talk about and focus on TTUN in the offseason and work on things in practice against them weekly while they seem more forcused on only paying attention to OSU when it's too late. 

They'd be wise to put more emphasis on THE GAME year round and maybe then they'd be at least competitive. 

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Supposedly Harbaugh puts stuff up around the facilities, weight room, etc every year but obviously it's not working. Woodson also felt Michigan doesn't put enough emphasis on The Game. If OSU players are actually doing workouts based on how many days until Michigan, then Michigan players should be doing double that instead of yapping their mouths.

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CowCat's picture

I think TTUN doesn't really get it.

The extra work OSU puts in to preparing for TTUN over the season pushes the team to be at their best by the end of the season. You can have a pretty-good-to-great team if you play to your potential every week, but it takes that extra something to be an elite team come mid-November to January.

The Game will always be the greatest rivalry, but it's just the 1st step in a 4 step gauntlet if you want to be national champions.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Michigan doesn't have the mental toughness to get over the hump.

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okiebuck's picture

On one of my first visits to Fort Worth many moons ago, at a bar; a beautiful example of the fairer sex walks in and the old boy next to me says, "dang I'd drink her dirty bathwater, just to know she sat in it". Almost fell off my chair laughing; priceless.
 

The only hard day was yesterday

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

That line was derived from the movie The Color Purple.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Folks, don't mess with Brutus.

I could use some of that Brutus mojo for a few friends of mine battling cancer as we speak. Keep fighting, Tros, RK84, and CalPoppy.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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IGotAWoody's picture

Oh man. Cancer sucks ass.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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JTFor President2016's picture

As an alumni of Ohio U, I feel obligated to re-visit the time Rufus rocked Brutus's world. I remember being in the stands and thinking "Either that had to be planned, or that kid is getting expelled". He got expelled. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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IGotAWoody's picture

As I recall, Brutus shook him off like he'd been attacked by an annoying toddler.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Props to Gabe and all those like him who will ride or volunteer in next weekend's Pelotonia. I was under the impression that this event is national, but it's not. It's a locally organized effort that will raise almost $11 million this year --- over $200 million since it started. All for cancer research. Please support them and look out for them on the roads.

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aj99's picture

Please! Can we please get some stories about teams on the schedule other than UM? It's been non stop UM for the last couple of weeks.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

With my couch psychologist degree in tact - I can say that the TTUN is probably pretty sick of talking about getting smashed continually by the Buckeyes, sick of thinking about it, and just plain sick of experiencing it.  It is in their heads and under their skin!  That puts so much pressure on them that it is almost a self fulfilling prophecy that they believe it is their destiny so they put even more pressure on themselves to change the outcome!  Too much pressure invokes the inevitability of choking factor up higher and higher!  

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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