Unpopular OSU Football Opinions... The Sequel!!

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ashtabulassassin's picture

1. all in on UFM revenge, I want him to go to USC and smoke OSU. The Admin deserves it. Plus I think college football is better, like any sport, when the all-time greats are playing the game. That and he is unquestionably a good influence on young men. So I hope he returns and dominates more than ever before.
2. I like it when UFM keeps problem assistants and players. One of my favorite things about Urban is that he doesn't kick you to the curb when you make a mistake. This leads to the so-called controversy, sure. But explain how you are going to tell a family you are going to look after their kid if you aren't willing to hang with them through the good times and bad like a family should.
3. Ryan Day was hired too hastily. I think the admin should have at least interviewed some of the other coaches. I hope he does excellent regardless.
4. Menace2societypodcast.com is now the best, most informative OSU football website on the internet. I hope ZS cleans up his language so I can listen more when my kids are around. Plus he'll get more advertisers that way too so he can take care of his family. That being said an unfiltered voice about the inside of the program from someone who knows each of the players and coaches personally is second-to-none atm.

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LCT's picture

No offense, but rooting for UFM over OSU makes you more UFM fan than OSU fan. Which is OK, but lemme guess: you're a Millennial

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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ashtabulassassin's picture

80s child. But yes I am much more of a UFM fan than a OSU fan. Because the coach is what makes the team (picks the players, trains the player, picks the coaches, sets the culture, etc. etc. etc.). Hence UFM wins everywhere he goes and other coaches can't win anywhere.

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LCT's picture

Fair enough.

If the Buckeyes ever face an Urban-led USC I hope the Buckeyes win 70-6.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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ashtabulassassin's picture

thanks for 6 at least :)

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stxbuck's picture

Too bad this is a tOSU site, not an Urban fanboy zone.....................he gone........get over it....................or not-root for the Trojans in 18 months, but jump all the way off the tOSU bandwagon.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Hey moron (stx), don't argue with people posting unpopular opinions. Be a man and post your own.

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seyekcuB's picture

Dont argue with an idiot. The people watching won't know who's the idiot.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

SeyekcuB. Word.

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stxbuck's picture

Read to the bottom of your own thread.

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typeOHpositive's picture

I believe you are posting on the wrong site...you are looking for formerwarrior.com/ufm

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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Red Shirt Ensign's picture

But if we don't argue about unpopular opinions... what's the point of the the internet?

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Dstacify's picture

Here's the reality. OSU was a winning program prior to Urban's arrival and more than likely they'll continue to be a winning program post-Urban. Yes, his run was considered the golden era by many but Day has all the resources in place to succeed at OSU going forward. It's just a matter of how good of a coach is he on gamedays.

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CarolinaBuck's picture

I've been hearing about the golden era of Ohio State football since the late 60's. The great thing about the Buckeyes is every generation is the "golden era."

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cricejr's picture

I'm unclear on this: what does being a millennial have to do with ANYTHING? It seems to be popular to take everything you don't like and just blame it on Millennials. I'm sure you are aware that every generation did the same thing to the generations that followed it, it's quite lame to me.

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LCT's picture

^millennial

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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LCT's picture

Sorry, couldn't resist.

No offense, but I have observed over my many years that millennials are uniquely recency biased (everything is the best or worst EVER)

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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BillShermansGhost's picture

None taken, but work on that personal bias by understanding many millennials who don't behave this way.  (Love all LCT posts btw)

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LCT's picture

Admittedly it is a broad stroke, and sincerely no offense as I know many fine millennials.

But here's an example. 100% of peeps who think Urban > Woody Hayes: millennials. Only a millennial could think that.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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LCT's picture

Dvers: millennials?

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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LCT's picture

Thread idea:

"GOAT: UFM or WWH, also what year were you born?"

I guarandamntee everyone who says UFM is a millennial. Guarandamnteed.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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USArmyBuckeye's picture

While not entirely disagreeing with you on the broad strokes here, all that is missing from this series of posts is a good old “get off my lawn you whippersnappers”

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LCT's picture

Agreed. It's implied though. No foul in my opinion.

GOAT discussion:

WWH: 0% among millennials
JPT: 4% among millennials
UFM: 96% among millennials

WWH: 99.8% among nonmillennials
JPT: 0.2% among nonmillennials (these people are crazy IMO)
UFM: 0% among nonmillennials

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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saintstephen11's picture

I'm 59+ and think UFM was a better coach than WWH.

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LCT's picture

WWH: 99.8% among nonmillennials
JPT: 0.1% among nonmillennials (these people are crazy IMO)
UFM: 0.1% among nonmillennials (these people are crazy IMO)

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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GVerrilli92's picture

Yeah, sorry LCT but I think you're projecting your own opinion here a little too strongly.

The real question I have for you is how are millennials so much different than any other generation? I'm sure plenty of older folks felt the same way as you when Michael Jordan was suddenly unanimously better than Wilt Chamberlain.

That's just like the way history works, ya know?

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LCT's picture

But MJ is objectively the GOAT. Even millennials (mostly) know this.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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yankeescum's picture

How about Bill Russell? Kareem? MJ was the greatest of his generation. You could argue that Stephen Curry is a more revolutionary player who did more to change the game than Jordan did.

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Buctor's picture

Wilt being the greatest would be unpopular opinion for sure.  Not old enough to know who the greatest was?  Have you ever heard of Mr Russell?

How about the Big O?

Neither had to leave the league to avoid "issues".

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Mhennin2's picture

Yeah it's crazy to believe that a coach with a MUCH higher win % was a better coach than Woody.

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PapaBucks's picture

Of course Woody coached at Ohio State 21 more years than Urban, including during a period where the administration de-emphasized football, so there's that. 

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Extramedium's picture

You're acting like a millennial as well then because It's really always been this way.  Dr. J was the best ever, Michael Jordan was the best ever, Kobe was the best ever, LeBron James is the best ever.  

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

I wonder if you realize that millennials are much older than you think. Like, mid-to-late-20s on the young end of the spectrum, and around 40 on the upper limit.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Setting as one of your rules that DVs for unpopular comments are out of bounds, and then stating as your first unpopular opinion that you hope the Buckeyes get blown out, is really brazen, dude.

But I agree about the Day hire, and said at the time that I hoped we would not end up regretting that we essentially did not conduct a search.

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dschuetz11's picture

Why is no one asking Ryan Day what he’s going to do to make Justin Fields a better passer? He’s a great athlete and his first instinct it seems is to run! Is this just a given that Day is going to balance his game?

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stxbuck's picture

Day isn't going to break down his specific passing drills to the weekly presser.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Read the rules stx

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stxbuck's picture

You think I give a shit about your thread rules? As far as I am concerned, if you openly root for Urban to beat tOSU, you are a troll. Period.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Stx, this is supposed to be fun! This is the thread where you don’t get beaned by a pitch for flipping your bat on a HR! 

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stxbuck's picture

Someone comes onto a tOSU board and says they want to see tOSU get their asses kicked, and, oh, by the way, don't auto-criticize this opinion. Sounds chickenshit to me. Wanting tOSU to get their asses kicked-by anyone-is trolling.

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Silver Sniper's picture

I get it, it’s supposed to be in good fun. I’d be willing to bet he’s still a bigger OSU fan than a good majority of folks in here. Part of it is while we all love the football team, the President and others involved with the Meyer witch hunt are total ass hats. I think he just means to say he’d like it if Meyer could get his revenge on them. 

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stxbuck's picture

It wasn't a witch hunt, it's called proper oversight and perspective.

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Extramedium's picture

Because he's a great natural passer.  What he needs is familiarity with our offense and playbook, which, I assume, is what they've been working on.

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Kangarooman's picture

Rooting for OSU to lose is the line you crossed lol

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Haha. Same thing happened to me last time. Whoever goes first gets all the DVs. Takes a bit for people to figure out that... Yeah it's a thread for unpopular opinions. Otherwise all posts would get DV'd into oblivion

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Silver Sniper's picture

Ashta, you thought yours got DVed into oblivion, wait till the wolves feast their eyes on my list below! It’s a badge of honor my friend!

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ashtabulassassin's picture

That was an aggressive list!

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Silver Sniper's picture

Hey man, I had to go for it. This thread only comes but once a year 

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GVerrilli92's picture

Has nothing to do with going first.

Theres unpopular opinions, and then there's going on to a Corvette fan site and calling the Corvette a piece of shit lol

You did worse than that.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

If this was sarcasm it would deserve 1000 upvotes.  IF IF IF

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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stxbuck's picture

Rooting for tOSU to lose isn't an unpopular tOSU opinion, it's a hissy fit by a bitter obsessed fanboy.............................

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ashtabulassassin's picture

When you turn 13 you'll start to think for yourself. And read the forum rules :)

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Whats up with this whole “think for yourself” stuff you keep regurgitating? An unpopular take is saying that Ryan Day will be the next Brady Hoak or that Meyer should have been fired last year. Openly rooting for osu to get blown out is not an unpopular opinion its just trolling for reactions.

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OhioStGoon's picture

Comment removed for violating the site's commenting policy.

GO BUCKS

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Silver Sniper's picture

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Silver Sniper's picture

All that happened here was mentioning an illegal drug during the era of a particular president and the comment was removed. I gotta say, I’ve seen far worse comments not get removed. Just in case anyone was wondering, it wasn’t that bad folks. 

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Brohio's picture

From the looks of my downvote history, apparently wanting Ohio State to join this century and play the marquee rivalry matchup in college football  during prime time is a very unpopular opinion lol

P.S. can all the Tate Martell disciples that shat on me in last year's thread for my critique of his character identify yourselves so I can hit you with the Nelson Muntz "HA-HA" gif?i

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BrutusB's picture

I wouldn’t mind prime time but 330 is more attainable goal. 

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JCam061588's picture

I want no part of having to wait the entire day for THE GAME, I love being able to kick off Rivalry weekend & take bragging rights throughout the day & enjoy the later games with the added satisfaction of a Buckeye W. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Haha, I still like Tate. I guess I could have added that above ;) hoping he crushes it at Miami still

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ashtabulassassin's picture

I agree on primetime. I think it's sad that the rivalry doesn't get the atmosphere it deserves

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Brohio's picture

Thank you. Finally someone that gets it. I live in the west coast so I make many sacrifices to watch games and I don’t mind it at all. But it’s not about my personal convenience at all. There’s a reason the NFL “flex” schedules it’s marquee games to prime time every week. There’s a reason boxing title matches, NBA Finals games, political debates etc are at prime time. It’s because that’s when the most people watch. That’s our opportunity to expand the brand. That’s what Alabama, Clemson and all the teams  we’re gunning for do with their big games. To think that I would be like “eh, Alabama can keep taking the national stage with their rivalry game and overtaking OSU in the ratings as long as I have enough time to mow my lawn” is just asinine to me. I would watch the game at 3:30 AM on Monday morning if it meant that the most possible sets of new eyes were seeing what The Game is all about. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Well said

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cledaybuck's picture

Isn't Alabama vs. Auburn almost always at 3:30?

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Brohio's picture

almost always, but thats still 4:30 EST so a good portion of the game gets played during peak time. They have moved it to 2:30pm a few times as well making it a straight 3:30 EST game.  They moved it to a night game in 2014 and what do you know, it was the most watched Iron Bowl of all time and ESPN's most watched game that season

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cledaybuck's picture

Almost always at 3:30 EST (2:30 CDT) on CBS.  What do you consider peak time because none of a 3:30 game will fall during the traditional primetime?

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Brohio's picture

The point isnt "Alabama ALWAYS plays at prime time". The point is, it's called prime time, because well it's the prime time for things to air on television. Would the ratings be higher for a primetime OSU/TTUN game than a noon game? Any other answer than "YES!" is wrong. 

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Guts's picture

Same as last time. Life's been too busy so far in 2019 to form new ones.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I just love noon kickoffs in late August and early September.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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WorthyBuck's picture

Agree on noon kickoffs.  I like them always.

3:30 is my favorite time, followed by noon.

Night games are terrible.

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Iron_horseshoe88's picture

The best part about those noon kicks is they almost always are games where OSU wins by 30+. Frees up the ability to channel flip the 3:30 slate that usually has more competitive games. 

Down side is potentially attendance impacts. Easily winnable game at high noon with 90+ degree early September temps = watch from home. 

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Buckeye0905's picture

Ryan Day is going to have more success than Urban at OSU. Urban is more of a war general and I don’t think that translates easily to this era of kids. Don’t get me wrong, he made it work, but I feel like players will play more fast and loose while having fun doing it. The youth injected into the program will be a good thing. 

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BrutusB's picture

I mean, Urban’s greatest success was from 06-14. He’s not exactly a relic of a bygone era.  

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dschuetz11's picture

Potential unpopular opinion here:

Why is OSU implementing the Exact Same defense as the Wolverines, and then hiring two former Michigan coaches to help run it?

Does this not play intoMichigan’s hands?

Won’t Michigan relax knowing every formation they see from the OSU defense is familiar to them?

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stxbuck's picture

Sometimes it's the Jimmys and the Joes, not the x's n' o's..............................

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I doubt its the same. In the past when Mattison was a DC he would primarily play man to man, but he plays more zone than Don Brown and he doesn't blitz nearly as much. Not to mention OSUs secondary as a whole has more speed than Michigan's.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

OSU's receivers have a lot more speed than your secondary as well.

Sorry, Cooper was the coach when I was in school. I can't let the opportunity to knife-twist a little pass me by.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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dschuetz11's picture

Well, despite the “Xs and 0s,”  and the “Jimmys and Joes,” plan on Michigan running slants and bubble screens out the wazoo!

If Don Brown, the master of this “Viper/Bullet  defense, couldn’t stop it, who will?

It’s the flaw of the system—hence, “Why imitate it?”

If Greg Mattison couldn’t stop it then, what makes you think he’ll stop it now?

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Opinions generally end with a period not a question mark.

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dschuetz11's picture

Ever played that game where everyone has to answer a question with a question?

A lot can be said with a question!

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Dstacify's picture

Mattison was a DC for many years prior to Don Brown's arrival at scUM (and was never DC there under Harbaugh). I doubt his scheme is 100% the same as what scUM ia running now. What Mattison and Washington CAN give them to an extent is intel on DB's defense since they both worked under him.

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dschuetz11's picture

Mattison is a great defensive coach and his bend-but-not-break attitude is a lot less stressful!

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Exile's picture

It's already been touched on, but the success of a defense (or offense) is always a combination of players, coaching, and scheme. OSU has better players than TTUN does--we've been out-recruiting them for years now. I'm assuming that Day has bought into Meyer's philosophy of playing fast and hard ("4 to 6, A to B"), which is an element of coaching that I think particularly plays into defense. 

But the larger point is that even if the scheme was exactly the same--which I doubt that it will be--it's not just about scheme. And really, until they ran into the fastest wide receivers they'd ever seen, TTUN's defense looked pretty dominant last year. Arguably, they also schemed poorly against us, playing too much man against the short crossing routes we ran. 

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dschuetz11's picture

I think they were way too confident!

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buckeyeinthechi's picture

You realize they had a top 5 defense before we played them last year, right?

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Hovenaut's picture

*punches in, on duty*

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I was derelict from earlier today. Had to tend the fire pit.

Sad when the boss has to fill in for us. ;-)

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Hovenaut's picture

That offseason is a rascal.

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Guts's picture

The facial expression you and other mods get when topics like this are posted has to be priceless.

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B1Gbuckeye's picture

I don’t like all the Stud hate on here. The 2017 offensive line was pretty good, and last year may have been the best season of pass protection I have seen in a long time. I will admit run blocking wasn’t great last year, but it will much improved this year. 

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Alex Ranttila's picture

Food for thought: QBs block for themselves when they are as talented as Haskins. Punishing teams when they blitz makes them drop LB's in coverage more. Getting the ball out quick instead of hitching 4 times in the pocket helps you avoid hits and sacks. I think not having JT back there is what made a huge difference.

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stxbuck's picture

Tom Brady sure as hell gets rattled when he has to "block for himself"-it doesn't work so good for him.

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D56GoBucks's picture

Haskins struggled considerably at Penn State when the offensive line couldn't keep him upright or allow him to get into secondary reads. Most quarterbacks will. But I do agree with you that it certainly helps when you have a quarterback with a strong arm and the confidence to get the football out quickly. 

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"

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dschuetz11's picture

He was the best of the best and hope he gets the respect he deserves!

I remember the total shock when J.T. Barrett went down and Haskins entered and was BETTER!

Unbelievable!

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Dstacify's picture

I agree with this one. Stud may not be as good as Warinner was at developing his linemen but he is a superior recruiter. I was perfectly fine with him being retained. Now if the offensive line struggles next year I may have second thoughts.

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stxbuck's picture

This is a fair take. If Meyers and Davis struggle this year, along w/ NPF, I'd say some serious questioning would be warranted.

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neo's picture

JT really was short.

Not. Sorry UM.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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Silver Sniper's picture

I’m bitterly disappointed in this post.....

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Ive watched every angle of every zapruder film on that play and I think he made it by a couple of inches before he got knocked back. 

However, that I had to watch every angle multiple times left me thinking that it was really close and could have been called the other way. 

Final verdict—inconclusive evidence to overturn the call. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

I am skeptical of  coach  Greg Studrawa. I don't believe he's a very good coach and I'd rather have Ed Warriner back. 

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iwearatophat's picture

Just keep him away from playcalling and sure.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Well urban screwed that up. Cant u just give a guy a raise and let him stay in his position.. now hes Michigan's line coach

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BrutusB's picture

The only thing dumber than Urbans made up Assistant AD job is that some of our fans are convinced he’s going to replace Gene one day. Yea, the guy who had extremely public issues due to his awful hiring and firing of coaches should be in charge of hiring and firing coaches for every sport. Bully idea. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

I agree Urban will never be AD. But for entirely different reasons. Mostly because I don't think he would ever be interested esp when he can make more money doing something else. As proven in his career... He is generally willing to take a higher paying job if available... Also something I don't fault him for.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Yeah, a full-time bureaucratic, university-politics, administrative job sounds like literal hell for Urban Meyer lol. 

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coke's picture
  • Night games are terrible because they always end past midnight and then I stay up for an additional hour if we win or lose
  • Anthony Schlegel was not a good mlb and if he did not play next to Hawk and Carpenter, he would be remembered as a poor man’s Andrew Sweat.
  • Armani Reeves was as bad at covering people as Joe Bauserman was at completing passes.
  • Urban was severely out coached in every game last year except for Michigan. He also failed to play his best players at times and his special teams were terrible.
  • Devin Smith made some huge catches in his career, but he lost his starting job during his senior year for a reason. He was not an all of time great at OSU like some people seem to think/remember.
  • Tom Herman was an average offensive coordinator except for the final three games of his career at OSU. His play calling against MSU cost us the big ten championship game.
  • Tressel was poised for a downfall had he not been forced out by Tat gate
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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

To be upfront, I 100% agree with you on 6 out of your 7 well thought-out points.

To be fair, Tom Herman's playcalling in East Lansing (2014) also won us the division, in my opinion.  Shredded an elite defense (held 9 opponents to 20 points or less) for 49 points.

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BrutusB's picture

Yea I think his recent turn to becoming a villain is causing our fans to revise some history. He was an awesome OC. Just look at Barrett’s passing numbers by year. 

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allinosu's picture

There were several posts about him being a dude long before he was great. He went from shit to hero to shit.

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Kangarooman's picture

These are fairly popular opinions...

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Calgarybuck's picture
  • Tom Herman was great with his scripted opening series/hurry up offenses and so-so thereafter, Brax and that line made 2012-14.  
  • Urban was winning only off talent and with better coaches in the league it was becoming harder to put teams away.  
  • Mid-afternoon games don’t happen enough, IMO (Afternoon/Night/Day)
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Calgarybuck's picture

Jan 3 2014 counts.  2011 Brax was so young.  

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Calgarybuck's picture

But yes, 12-13 was some fun to watch.

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stxbuck's picture

Good points, except for 1 and 7, complaining about staying up late is silly unless you have to get up for work early Sunday morning, and Tressel was poised for a NC run in 11' before 3 potential AAs and the starting RB got suspended for the season

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Agreed on Tressel... and most of what you said.

Although Tressel and Meyer were different coaches at the helm of different versions of Ohio State, I think that both left the program at a time when a change was probably quietly needed.  Ultimately, I think Coach Meyer took the program somewhere that it wouldn’t have gone with Tressel and I am hoping that the same is true with Coach Day.  And I say that as a person who loved both coach Tressel and Coach Meyer

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Dstacify's picture

I agree with most of these except for Schlegel. He WAS a good MLB. Just because he wasn't as heralded as the other two guys were doesn't mean he wasn't good. He was miles better than any MLB we've trotted out the last two seasons. Also I think Tressel would've had OSU competing for a Natty in 2011 had Tattoogate not happened (remember Pryor was set to return that year until the suspension happened). After that who knows. I think Tressel's stubborn commitment to assistants like Jim Bollman would've eventually allowed the rest of B1G to catch up with him.

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ELJTSA76's picture

The existence of a sequel is not evidence that the first one was any good. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

It was popular though, and so far the pattern holdeth ;)

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Boom! 400 :)

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SilverState's picture

Brutus should be replaced by Kerry Coombs.

"Year for what?"

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Haha. That's just straight up a good idea.

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Kangarooman's picture

The fan base is way too certain about Ryan Day.  I'm very optimistic, but it seems forgotten that this is his first time in charge of ANY program.

We don't win the natty without Tom Herman.

The people who use italic font to denote sarcasm on here are the least funny people on the internet.

Outside of OSU games, SEC conference football games are my favorite to watch.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Agree here too. In the history of the sport basically only UFM has been a gaurantee to work at any program from the start. Most great coaches (saban, Carroll, etc) take years of losses to be elite later.
The flip side is many other coaches have a great first season or two before buying up all the fumes the previous coach left behind (helfrich, muschamp, etc.)

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PapaBucks's picture

That's probably because, by and large, Urban doesn't take rebuild jobs like Carroll and Saban did. 

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Bucks's picture

I couldn't stand when Pryor was here b/c his freak athleticism, I felt, stunted any development of the surrounding cast.

In general I'm fine with a mobile QB. I'm not against personnel who can add something extra. Changes for me when the team identity becomes run qb.

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Bucks's picture

Bonus, I have no issue with Kirk Herbstreit ... I enjoy having gameday on for football mornings.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

I've never had an issue with Herbstreit.

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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iwearatophat's picture

I'll take you one further.  A lot of the hate is because he isn't a crazy homer.

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JarheadBuck's picture

It should be university policy related to The Game, that anytime we get first and goal, we must break into Robust-T and Power/Counter Dave right down their throats...including 4th down if needed, and then go for 2.  In fact, "Goalline Robust-T and Go For 2" should be a required chest tattoo for every HC.

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bd2999's picture

I think there are too many night games. I get them to a point but it is nice to have the evening free. And at times it feels like OSU will be the night game a few weeks in a row. I gues that it is great they are a draw but come on now. 

Not sure how unpopular that is though. 

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CarolinaBuck's picture

Urban>Tressel. Not even close.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I want to encourage all you youngsters to get married in September, October or November.

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buckzilla1's picture

I don't believe that Ryan Day should mess with the Urban Meyer recipe that is in place. I have a bad feeling that he will try and lessen Mickey Marotti's role and impact that Marotti has on the program and I fear that this subtle change could cause the recipe to fail.  

Jim Harbaugh is to coaching what Lou Glutz is to Motor sales. 

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BrutusB's picture

I’d argue he’s much more likely to fail if he tries to be someone else. He should feel free to change whatever he wants if he thinks it will work. 

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WorthyBuck's picture

Counter opinion—Micky Mariotti is not some exceptional addition to the staff and could be easily replaced without any drop off.  He is a strength coach, same as every other major program strength coach.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

WorthyBuck gets prize for making me feel the strongest need to break my own rules and DV

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cvillebuckeye65's picture

You honestly could not be more wrong about this.  Micky is the heart and soul of the program. 

TUN SUCKS!!!

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ohiopanda's picture

People are way too confident for this upcoming season and have borderline unreasonable expectations. Brand new QB, a new head coach, and a newly assembled defensive staff. 

I’m also scared shitless of a solid UC team coming to Columbus for the second game

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SlickityDarza's picture

"I’m also scared shitless of a solid UC team coming to Columbus for the second game"
Lol

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Iron_horseshoe88's picture

After living through that 2002 game against them, I share in OPs unease. 

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aboynamedtracy's picture

Telling someone to sit at a football game should be grounds for ejection.

Urban played favorites to the detriment of the team.

Playing 'Seven Nation Army' at games is lame and entirely unoriginal.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

These should be popular opinions.  At least they are for me,  but to add:

We have a weak home game advantage when it comes to fans, it needs changed.

Urban built a culture of playing favorites at times.  The coaches around him did the same.  At times it worked, at times it didn't.

Jack White is a pathetic excuse for a musician and the people that like his music have no soul.

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Attack51's picture

Completely agree with all these. Man I hate Seven Nation Army, it's the absolute worst

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NorthBerg's picture

The Ohio State University's teaching and research mission should be a bigger brand than its football program.

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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stxbuck's picture

Well, the $$$ value and budget says it-teaching and research mission- is a bigger brand. Far more people drive cars and take prescription drugs and eat agricultural products and obtain medical treatment in some way connected to tOSU on a daily basis than worry obsessively over the football team like us interwebz people.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

-I'm 75% sure Mattison was a bad hire, but I'm hoping I'm wrong, and probably I'm just ageist for thinking a guy his age can't adapt to changing strategies in the modern game. (Guess that was more of an auto-dialectic than an opinion, wasn't it?) 

-Schiano was actually a bad DC who looked great using Chris Ash/Luke Fickell coached players who were savvy enough to execute his complicated schemes, and when they were gone he wasn't good enough at teaching the new guys to do the same

-Clemson is the better program right now. I feel dirty typing that, but it's impossible to argue otherwise.

-Addendum to the last point: Clemson isn't going anywhere. Dabo's going to be there another 10-15 years at least and by then they'll be so well established that they'll be able to hire anyone they want to keep the train rolling. 

-There are good reasons to feel sympathy for Urban Meyer (his inoperable cyst) and then there are stupid reasons to feel sympathy for him (the media attacking him after he totally mismanaged the ZS scandal) 

-Addendum to the last point: Urban Meyer didn't create the corruption in Florida, but he did very little to curb it (still, Florida fans are idiots for thinking their program's woes are his fault) 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Kangarooman's picture

I like these a lot. Not really sure the reasoning behind the Mattison hire. Maybe just so Day has a leg up in the game this year?

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Perhaps Day just hates michigan more than the rest of us? And wants to break the only thing (defense) they had going for them. So they lose all the other games as well... Could it be his hate for UM is greater than his love for OSU ... A man fueled by madness and rage?

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dschuetz11's picture

Did you read those texts? He’s an angry man! No wonder . . . that rage eats away at one’s body! 

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

~Judge Judy~

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Mattison should do fine for you guys, I think your defense will be more fundamentally sound. I understand your point about his age and how offenses have evolved, but looking at the Big10 as a whole, no offense should really scare you.

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dschuetz11's picture

He’s a bend-but-not-break guy! He’ll stop the run! Those quick no-huddle offenses might be tough, though, as they are for everyone!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

~Judge Judy~

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rotsbu's picture

Isn't Dabo going to Bama when Saban retires?  Not to say Clemson won't still be among the elite if that happens before 10-15 years.

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stxbuck's picture

That is the consensus opinion-and one I certainly hold/held, but w/ Dabo's new contract, Clemson might have put in a buyout too big even for Bama-if they were smart.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Why would anyone especially Dabo want to follow Saban. I think Dabo waits until they are hiring for the replacement to Sabans replacement to take it.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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stxbuck's picture

Dabo is a Bama alum, who was raised in Tuscaloosa. If he was in his current situation at Clemson, and was a Wake Forest or Kentucky alum, I'd say the chances of him leaving would be zero. The simple fact that it's Bama complicates things.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Oh I’m fully aware.  But anyone who follows Saban is setting themselves up for failure.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Snake64's picture

100% Agreed. I've been saying Mattison was a bad hire from the very beginning. All you have to do is watch his D lines against good teams. They were nonexistent and usually the cause for the reason the TTUN struggled. For all the crap we give DB for his defense against good teams it starts up front. If the D line can't get to the qb a man to man defense will get burned occasionally. 

Also agree on the UM stuff. Everytime i mention this stuff i get DV from hell because? well who knows

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milhouse4588's picture

It's a good thing Urban is gone. Even if the Zach Smith stuff didn't occur his offensive mentality was becoming predictable and he wasn't coaching games very well (this may have had to do with his staff, which is also on him).

He was an ace recruiter and we could win the Big Ten based on pure athletic ability. But our teams were out coached in a large majority of our games the last couple of years.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I'd be totally okay with hiring him as our recruiting director if Pantoni leaves

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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OHinTN's picture

I agree and will take it a step farther. UM is an arrogant prick. I couldn't stand him before he got here. I really tried to overlook it while he was here. I'm glad that he is gone, but thanks for all the wins!

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

OHinTN, they’re gonna come for you; Lol!

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milhouse4588's picture

I don't know UM so I can't say whether he is or isn't. But he did great things for our program and elevated us to a level where we can probably flourish, let alone survive, after he leaves. We owe him a lot. He may have done some stupid things while at OSU but he came in to a program that was a perennial top-10 team (except the Fickell year) and made us a perennial Top 4 (making the playoffs notwithstanding).

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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OHinTN's picture

No disputing what he did for the program. I am just not a fan of him personally. And I probably went overboard with the arrogant prick comment but this is a thread for unpopular opinions!

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Snake64's picture

Said this before. I respect what he did here for the program but i do not personally like the man. Great coach, not a great person. His past actions and responses have proven as such despire the "real life wednesdays" and the such. It's all a farce in my eyes. 

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piddylolo's picture

The OH!  IO!  call-out is annoying as hell.

(But the O-H-I-O chant before kickoff is class)

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Counterpoint: O-H I-O chant haters are the worst.

Just last weekI was biking on a trail at Squaw Valley with the family and right before passing an older guy walking with his family I saw a Block O tattoo on his calf. I let out an "O-H" just before passing him and he had a quick reply "I-O" before even seeing me. Right behind was Lil' NCB #1 with a follow-up "O-H" as he passed. Made his day and I'm guessing older Block O guy too.

Pretty cool exchange for being on the other side of the country for two families enjoying a trip at Tahoe.

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Baroclinicity's picture

We are going to lose to Michigan this year with Dylan McCaffrey starting at QB... that family has winning in their DNA. Also, a lot of pride coming before the fall...

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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Kangarooman's picture

A lot of pride coming before the fall?

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Baroclinicity's picture

The message boards, Twitter etc...we have the game locked up forever according to many, and I fear that pride/assumption is going to bite us.  And statistically, it’s hard to win every game against them.

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Pride before the fall is def real.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I respect your opinion especially since I like Mccaffrey more than Patterson. The difference is the players and coaches don't feel that way, that's just the fans that assume it's a forgone conclusion and rightly so.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Check the Michican boards.  They already have the conference wrapped up according to most of them based off of a pre-season prediction from a bunch of guys that are always wrong.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I don't go on MGOblog for that reason. They're constantly drinking the kool-aid every offseason. At least you guys have the right to be overconfident every year. That's one of Michigan's problems IMO, each recruiting class that comes in gets told by fans and local media how great they are before they ever play a down.

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CincyBuck's picture

I get your point.  But The Game isn't played on internet message boards.  Bet your ass that Day's team will treat Michigan like a potential B1G champion.  We could very well lose to UM.  But it isn't going to be because of pride, we overlooked them, etc.

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LilTrautie's picture

The Shoe has so much potential to be rowdy during games but for the most part is very tame... I went to every home game for the past 4 years as a student and can only recall about 1 game every year where I truly felt our student section was a factor.

Going along with that, I’m totally fine with us blaring modern/current hits over the speakers, but I think whoever is in control can do a MUCH better job with the ‘aux (selection and timing). It underratedly (is that a word?) sets the tone for the students.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I don’t hate the stadium atmosphere.  I describe it as business-like.  I think that can be a good thing.

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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milhouse4588's picture

There's a difference between the stadium and fans acting like they've been there before {(business-like, IMO), and being quiet. Yes, it's tough to get rowdy for a nooner against some lame OOC team and that's understandable.

But every single Big Ten game should be LOUD until it's a blowout either way and people should be on their feet.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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The_shank's picture

I agree with every sentiment. The good news is THE GAME last year was insane and all the recruits felt it, holing it carries over! 

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magruder80's picture

I do not understand the love affair with Demario McCall. If he was what everyone says he is why has he not had a significant role on the team?

Why is bottle flipping the punter does talked about so much?

Tate Martell was only on the team because of his teammates that Ohio State wanted, not based on his ability to play the QB position in the offense.

I will never root for a B1G team in a bowl game because I have heard from many other schools that actively root against Ohio State in their bowl games. Why should I root for those teams? I am an Ohio State fan not a B1G fan.

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AngryWoody's picture

The only reason people on this website hate Beth Mowins is because she is a woman and they can't stand the idea of a female announcer. The only thing that would set those meatheads off more would be a gay announcer, which I would love to see some day.

MGoBlog Blocked Me On Twitter.

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Baroclinicity's picture

She’s really not bad by any means...

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

She's not a bad announcer. She just has an irritating voice.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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Silver Sniper's picture

I wouldn’t mind a female announcer at all! I just can’t stand her voice. She sounds like she’s trying to talk like a dude and she comes off as unlikable. There are plenty of guy announcers that I also do not like. I am an equal opportunity announcer disliker. 

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BBQ_Fan's picture

How do you know there aren't gay announcers already?

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Silver Sniper's picture

My thoughts exactly but wasn’t going to touch that one.

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piddylolo's picture

I feel like I should down-vote this on behalf of Rod Jones, but I'm just gonna let it be...

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

The media doesn’t hate Ohio State any more than anyone else.  People who can’t get over “eSECpn” and all that nonsense need to tune their tin foil hats to a new frequency.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Football is a dangerous sport, kids should not be playing it and we should not be watching it.  We try to sugarcoat the brutality of it by talking about the "band of brothers", "playing for the guy next to you", "life lessons", "working as a team" and "realizing your potential".  We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

August the 31st ... can't wait!!!

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Hahaha. I feel this same way oftentimes. If only I were a better man.

Hopefully all the happiness it brings people makes it worth it ??

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Absolutely love the game. My two boys still won't be playing tackle football.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

The U should of smoked us in 2002 and probably would in 99/100. It just so happened to be the 100th game.

Noon games suck

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

I'd rather a game be at noon than at night. Night games always claim they start at 8, they never, ever do. And since football games are creeping closer and closer to 4 hours with all the stoppages for replays, flags, and commercials, I don't want to stay up till midnight worrying about the outcome of a Bucks game.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

At least you guys aren't opening with Middle Tennessee State at night.

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stxbuck's picture

Let's see.....................

Urban deserved the 3 game foot in the ass from the admin for his incompetence in letting Zach Smith ever set foot in WHAC in the first place.................

Gene Smith didn't give a rat's ass if Urban left at the end of the season or not-he really liked what he had in Day and saw the opportunity to set the program up for the future by making a quick hire/contingency plans to immediately hire Day

Even if Coach Day reels in 2 or 3 more classes like the one for 20', he will still be second guessed as a recruiter by a minority of 'Urban is the greatest recruiter ever, nothing else matters!!!!!" types on here.

High Street was better when it was sleazy.......................

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Silver Sniper's picture

Stx, didn’t that feel kinda good to just let it out? Good job, man!

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Baroclinicity's picture

Upvote for the sleaze factor, for sure.

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RocknRollover's picture

I don’t care if it works most of the time, I cannot f&$@ing stand it when we line up in shotgun formation on 4th and inches.  Please, Ryan Day, for the love of god, put the damn QB under center and run the f@&$ing sneak on 4th and short.

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OhioStGoon's picture

OSU fans who think EsecPN isn't out to get us for a myriad of reasons are morons.

GO BUCKS

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CincyOSU's picture

Fans who think ESPN is out to get OSU are morons.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Unpopular Opinion Alert:

1) The Seven Nation Army song and chant by the crowd annoy the crap out of me. Just shut up already. 

2) I couldn’t care less whether or not we have TBDBITL. I’m a football fan, not a band geek. Sometimes it’s annoying that they are associated with my team. 

3) I love the 2011 Pro Combat and the 2016 Chic Harley helmets so much, I wouldn’t be mad if we went with either of those for a while as our helmets. The chromed scarlet and the cannon ball lead give a nice modern look while paying tribute to teams of the past.

4) I can’t get enough of Zach Smith’s podcast. He comes off very genuine and honest and has the best insider info I have ever heard about the Bucks that has been backed by former players. 

5) Meyer’s lover affair with JT and his loyalty to crappy coaches cost us at least one Natty.

6) I’m still mad that Gene Smith allowed OSU to play in that bowl game instead of self-imposing a bowl ban and I blame him for preventing a 2012 National Championship Season. 

7) Anyone who DVs on this site because they don’t agree with an opinion and not to discourage douchebaggery is a little bitch.

8) I believe a major part of why the media and ESPN came after Meyer so hard is because they dislike him due to his beliefs and views that have nothing to do with football and because they are in bed with the SEC and Clemson. Had Dabo or Saban been in identical situations, no one would have said shit.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I’m not alternate uni guy, and the 2011s were totally awesome.

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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GINNandjuice's picture

That 7 tho!

All Glory is Fleeting

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Silver Sniper's picture

I’m sorry, Ginn, I had to get that one in as well. The spirit of this thread had me all amped up!

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Snake64's picture

#7 for sure! the amount of people who DV just because of a difference in opinion on this site is annoying. Especially when clearly most of you on here harbor those same opinions but don't feel comfortable enough to say it. This forum clearly proves it and we're not all "trolls" because we don't follow the herd.

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Eph97's picture

I believe Courtney over Zach and think too many believe his bs narrative that she was a crazy woman. I think Urban was either the most gullible, trusting person ever or he turned a blind eye to what Zach was doing to her. Urban let a loser coach like Zach bring him down all because of blind loyalty to that monument of mediocrity Earl Bruce. Urban would have had better wr play and recruited better receivers had he hired a competent wr coach from the beginning.

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Brohio's picture

Not trying to start a hyper-serious debate, but Courtney's own mom didn't believe Courtney. At least about the physical abuse. I tend to side with the females by default in this situation but that's the one thing I can't get over. I don't have kids but Im just trying to imagine a scenario where'd I'd publicly declare to a member of the media that my own daughter was lying about abuse. I can't think of a single plausible scenario where a parent would publicly go against their own child in a situation as serious as this. They weren't estranged either. Courtney and her mom were hanging out, smiling etc on FB up until like 2 weeks before the story broke. Her dad stayed silent, which says even more than her mother's comments. Can you think of a scenario where your daughter is being publicly shamed by millions of people online with no one to defend her and you just say nothing? The police didn't believe her either, which happens sometimes in these scenarios so that doesn't really have much weight with my thoughts on it. The only people that seemed to believe her were a recently fired, unemployed "reporter" looking for a way to be relevant by running a story with no sources and literally ran a quickly disproven story about racism within the program a week later....and a fellow coach's wife that wears shirts making light of her own husband's sexual affairs to one of his football games. 

As far as the coaching goes, Zach Smith walked so that Brian Hartline could run. Without Zone 6, Michael Thomas, Devin Smith, Parris Campbell, Dixon, McClaurin etc our WR room does not look like it does today. 

The Earl criticism is fair. Dont shoot me guys lol

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Brohio's picture

Ahh shit. I didn't read the thread rules. Hand up, thats on me. My bad

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stxbuck's picture

Are you saying that Urban could not have hired a hotshot/well known WR coach from the beginning in 2012? I'm sure there are literally dozens of WR coaches out there who could have recruited and coached as well as Zach Smith from 2012 on, given the tOSU logo on their polo, w/out the personal trainwreck baggage. If Urban brought in Schiano, Johnson, and Wilson, he could certainly have brought in a competent young WR coach w/out a psycho marriage (their mess was a 2 way street-codependent in their craziness).

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Brohio's picture

What's the name of Clemson's WR group? What's the name of any other school's WR group? I don't know any either. I'd argue that no other coach (at least that I can think of off the top of my head) did a better job at branding their position group period than Zach Smith. Every high school WR we offer tweets out #Zone6. It's such a strong brand that even after the Zach Smith scandal, OSU's official football accounts use the term Zone6 in their content. Zach Smith love him or hate him created a culture with our WR room that has changed our program possibly forever. The dude got 8 WR's drafted in 5 years at OSU. Doesn't get much more "hotshot young WR coach" than that. I'm not asking for anyone's opinion of his personal life to change. That's a subjective thing, and everyone's entitled to his own opinion. But his results don't lie. All of his players stood by him I might add. They still tweet him, like his posts etc. They publicly defended him against the Trevon Grimes/McMurphy story. Even at the risk of bad PR that could affect their NFL careers. It says a lot. 

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stxbuck's picture

Urban could have found someone just as good, w/out the baggage. Smith recruited well, but that had as much to do w/ the tOSU brand as anything Smith brought to the table compared to other WR coaches at top programs. Urban could have achieved similar results-both on field and in sending WRs to the NFL-with another WR coach.

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Eph97's picture

I don't want to get into a debate, but read Courtney's blog for her side of the story. 

As for the coaching aspect, yes Zach made Zone6 into a brand; however, its not because of the brand that Hartline was able to bring in the #1 wr in the country. It's because Hartline is considered a great coach and a former NFL player. Any coach who puts in decent effort with the OSU/Urban brand behind them should be able to pull good recruiting classes, so I'm pretty certain other coaches could have at least matched Zach's efforts on the recruiting trail, but without his baggage.

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Buckeyebab17's picture
  • “Hang on Sloopy” sucks. How the hell does that song have anything to do with Ohio? PS: If there is an actual answer I would love to know.
  • Ohio Stadium is a pretty poor atmosphere if the team we are facing isn’t Michigan. I’ve just been to too many other big time college football stadiums to pretend otherwise.
  • I wanted Urban gone after 2016.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Archie Griffin

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Silver Sniper's picture

In 1985, the Ohio General Assembly approved "Hang on Sloopy" as Ohio's official rock song. The Ohio General Assembly adopted an official rock song after Joe Dirck, a columnist for the Columbus Citizen-Journal, wrote a column about the State of Washington considering the adoption of its own rock song. The Ohio General Assembly responded by making "Hang on Sloopy" Ohio's rock song. Ohio is the only state to have an official rock song. 

Bert Berns and Wes Farrell co-wrote the song, and "Hang on Sloopy" became a major hit for the band The McCoys in 1965. The McCoys were originally from Dayton, Ohio. The song was about Dorothy Sloop of Steubenville, Ohio. A singer, Sloop sometimes used the stage name Sloopy.

 http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Ohio%27s_State_Rock_Song_-_Hang_On_S...

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Buckeyebab17's picture

Thanks for the explanation Silver Sniper. Count me in the crowd that thinks it's a reach to associate that song with OSU football

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Archie Griffin

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typeOHpositive's picture

100% Hang On Sloopy SUCKS !!!....a) nothing to do with the Buckeyes b) a bad/boring song that I would never ever listen too if it wasn't forced on me at OSU

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I mean, neither does Le régiment de Sambre et Meuse, but here we are. 

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Knarcisi's picture

1) The O-H  I-O chant is stupid. 

2) Great as he was, Urban Meyer underachieved here. 

3) This fan base is overly obsessed with Michigan. 

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I can't apologize for #3 because it is baked into our tradition to dislike them and knowing your enemy so on and so forth .. That said, I am with you that we have too many threads about them. There should just be a repository where people can go and diarrhea all they want about Harbaugh, etc

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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stxbuck's picture

Agreed-that is on the mods/site management. Have an omnibus "Harbaugh sucks/Shit on scUM" thread for anyone to post in and nuke the stuff that pops up like mushrooms.

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dmiller2345's picture

2) Great as he was, Urban Meyer underachieved here. 

I definitely agree with this one

Urban Meyer, undefeated (7-0) VS ttun | Ryan Day, undefeated (2-0) vs ttun

*As always, In (Urban) Ryan Day I Trust! There is a plan, even if we cannot see it right now!

God, Family, Guns, Country, and Sports!

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Daniel's picture

1)....The OH-IO cheer is great if you are not near Columbus.  Seeing another Buckeye fan in say, the Orlando airport and giving a quick OH- is perfectly acceptable.  Just like saying "hey" to the other person.  I agree it would get really annoying in Columbus.  

Va Buck

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Kangarooman's picture

Do you have any theories why we are so obsessed for some one in their late 20s like me?  I know everyone says THE COOPER YEARS, and I get it, but if we were to go year by year, I'm pretty sure Sparty has been the loss that's cost us from a national championship just as much (if not more) than Michigan.

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Knarcisi's picture

Not sure. I get “respecting the rivalry” and I agree with the players and our program living in that world. But I think we as fans pay them way too much mind when we obsess over how poorly they’re recruiting (that’s nothing new). Or when Harbaugh says something stupid (also nothing new). And I’m a guy that went to Ohio State ‘91-‘97. For anyone not counting, that’s 3 undefeated seasons ruined and one Heisman pose, among other losses. Respect them beat the shit out of them. Stop obsessing over all the stupid shit. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Overly obsessed with Michigan AND paranoid about ESPN!

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Urban Meyer was better than Woody Hayes...

...when he coached at Florida and cared more about football than his family. Urban was a different (and worse) coach at Ohio State, and that's okay. As a human being, I respect the Ohio State version much more.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Yea, the Urban at Florida almost cared more about football than his LIFE. That's the kind of drive that makes America so special!

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FeedZeke420's picture

Our teams cant/have never been able to handle being the favorite to win/ handle being expected to win. Our big time wins come when we are severe underdogs. If we are expected to win against a big time opponent, we shit the bed.

Go Bucks!

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h0bb3s220's picture

There is going to be a significant drop off at the QB position and our team will struggle because of it. 

The Seven Nation Army song sucks as does the Quick Calls. 

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GINNandjuice's picture

Coopers record against Michigan was the best thing to ever happen to this program 

All Glory is Fleeting

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Dstacify's picture

It did land us Tressel and shifter the power dynamic from there. The problem is Cooper's failures against TTUN were tolerated for far too long by Andy Geiger.

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CarolinaBuck's picture

Cooper was the beneficiary from the way we fired Earle Bruce (which I still don't understand.) Ohio State was trying to elevate their academic reputation which was no reputation at all. They had changed admission standards, going from any Ohio high school graduate can get in to needing a fairly high SAT score. The last thing the university needed was to be seen as nothing more than a football factory by firing a coach just because he lost a football game or two...or three.

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twotimebuck's picture

1) Quick Calls were the dumbest thing tried by Urban and I think the players thought so too.

2) I enjoy watching games at home rather than at the stadium (no thanks to red hat guy and tv commercial breaks).

3) I don't always answer in the OH - IO chant.

4) I would go to University of Michigan over OSU for grad school (if given the chance).

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rotsbu's picture

I was just going to post point #2 about myself...especially the older I get.  Taking an entire day to travel, park, possibly tailgate, push through 100s of thousands of other people to get into the stadium, sitting in traffic going home, etc...no thanks anymore.  It's bad enough every single game is a 4+ hour affair even on TV.

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USArmyBuckeye's picture

I think Ohio State would be well served to exit the BIG and become independent 

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BrutusB's picture

We could probably make that work in football, but we’d be absolutely screwed if the other B1G teams told us to just piss off in basketball. 

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USArmyBuckeye's picture

Valid point. I was referring to football only but i can see how there would be some hurdles to pass to get there 

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OhioStGoon's picture

I agree whole but only well into the future..

GO BUCKS

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zmoty9's picture

Logged in for the first time in about three or so years (I think) because I've got a lot of problems with you people.

I strongly, strongly abhor a significant portion of the Ohio State fan base.  First, are the idiots who make all of us look bad by being complete pricks when it's uncalled for.  See a kid wearing a Michigan shirt in the mall on a mid-May Tuesday and just start going on in him because you're a real fan?  GTFO.

The people on here who post a forum topic with 'nice' or 'great' article which happens to speak to Ohio State glowingly, but then turn around and say 'ESECPN is out to get us again' when posting another topic that shows the Buckeyes in a bad light...grow up.  If you want to post an article that touches on Ohio State, then just say 'article about Ohio State'.

The people in the Shoe who are a thousand years old and can't be bothered to get loud on 3rd or 4th and inches in the biggest game of the year and actively tell those around them to sit down and quiet down?  Get out of the stadium and stay plastered to your plastic wrapped couch if you can't root for your team.

Those that are so obsessed with the band...just ugh.  Nobody pays the exorbitant ticket prices to go and listen to/watch the band.  The band, while great, is merely an add on to the main event.  The forum topic on here last week or the week before when someone wanted the bands added to the next NCAA video game?  C'mon.  You know as well as literally everyone else you might watch it once and then skip right on through to the actual game. 

To the people who claim Urban and now Ryan need to focus more on recruiting Ohio kids?  Clearly the reason Clemson and Alabama are running college football is because they've got the rosters stocked with Ohio kids.  The bluest of blue bloods (the aforementioned Clemson and Alabama, and Ohio State and Oklahoma) take the best of the best regardless of where they come from.  If that's from Ohio, then cool.  If not, don't care.

And lastly, the people who spent yesterday commenting on the article about All-Tressel team vs. All-Urban team and saying Tressel would win?  Open your eyes.  You can claim recency bias all you want, but nostalgia is clearly clouding your vision.  There was a fairly seismic shift in football around 2010 which rendered most of the All-Tressel team grossly outdated.  Hawk, Carpenter, and Wilhelm were great LBs for their time, but they'd be gassed after the first quarter against the All-Urban team.  We actually saw exactly that scenario play out in 2006.

I otherwise am relatively fine with the school and football team so guess that's all I've got.  Signing off for another several years.

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Buckeyes01752's picture

You made 6 completely separate points and somehow I agreed with all of them.

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Sunny Buck's picture

Up vote for the 1000 years old reference. That was funny. BTW, I think you ought to stick around.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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Dstacify's picture

There's no question OSU fans can be assholes (though you find those in every fanbase). Sending hate mail to players and driving Kirk Herbstreit out of his Columbus home because he's not biased enough towards OSU on GameDay is completely unacceptable behavior.

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JTFor President2016's picture

Log in more often please

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Hovenaut's picture

"Signing off for another several years."

That's not going to work for me, and presuming some others here as well.

Solid comment, solid points - Z...hope you check back in again soon.

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TNT's picture

Lots that I agree with, but there's a solid 50% of our home games where the highlight of the day is the halftime show - especially for those of us who remember FCS opponents in the non-con. Against FAU, I suspect the band will again be infinitely more entertaining than the actual blowout we all expect.

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yankeescum's picture

How about Ross Homan, Brian Rolle and Cie Grant? And Laurinaitis wasn't some slow ass middle linebacker, and neither was Hawk. Nor was Bobby Carpenter. And if you don't think that Vernon Gholston was better than either of the Bosa brothers while he was here, the guy had more sacks his junior year than they had combined. And if you don't think that Jenkins was better than Michael Thomas at Ohio State, roll the damn tape, and the same with Ginn and Holmes. They were ten times the receivers that Devin Smith and Parris Campbell were. And there were about five (Heyward, Hankins, Anderson, Peterson, and Pitcock) that were better than any defensive tackle that has come through here during the Meyer era. The Tressel team would smoke the Meyer team. And I will say right now, that Tressel was a better coach.

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MongosMagic's picture

Great points. But clearly very bitter.

"Mongo only sausage in bowl of soup"

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Sunny Buck's picture

I'll give it a go.....

1) The SEC is tops when it comes to tailgating and fan frenzy.

2) 11 warriors has way too many articles and pictures of Harbaugh/Michigan in the off season. They have their own site and I don't care who they recruit, play or whatever.

3) If Meyer goes to Notre Dame does the OP want the Irish to beat the Buckeyes?

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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ashtabulassassin's picture

1) Agree here too. B1G is a stronger conference though imo and the sec is overrated quality wise. They lost most of their good coaches by firing too many hoping to get a better one to beat saban and instead kept getting worse. Also I used to be a huge SEC fan and back then the B1G was awful.

2) no opinion

3) As admitted above, I'm a UFM man more than anything (to me rooting for a coach makes more sense then a school). So yes. Still follow OSU atm, because its still his players and mostly his coaches. On the note above about rooting for a coach over a school. You will notice that if you visit a school with a bad program that has never had football success, everybody is a fan of a primetime program somewhere else, USC, OSU, Florida, Alabama, Texas, etc.  If it wasn't for the coaches, other people wouldn't care about their own school's football program either, I think most just don't realize it. Take away, Tressel, Meyer, Hayes, etc. and replace them with 3 other dudes and you have a ton of non-osu fans walking around on campus instead.

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cricejr's picture

Urban Meyer was living off reputation alone the last 3 years.  He got stale and stagnant and played favorites with players and coaches.

John Cooper was not the worse coach we have had, in fact he's one of the better ones.

Gene Smith is a good Athletic Director.

Old folks ruin the gameday experience at the Shoe with their whining about standing up.

After the Purdue beating we deserved to miss the CFP last year.

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Dstacify's picture

I agree with all of these. People hate Coop because of his record against scUM (which is understandable) but he did many great things for OSU as well. He was also the best out-of-state recruiter we've had not named Urban Frank Meyer.

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CincyOSU's picture

I upvoted all of these with love. These are great takes.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

ESECSPIN BIAS IS BACK!!!!1!

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stxbuck's picture

Can't disagree with anything here. It was time for Coop to go after 00', but he did a great job restoring tOSU's national rep after Earle let it sink into the muck via poor recruiting.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

I would agree with that but only for the past 2 years, not 3. It's easy to forget how great the 2016 season was because of how it ended. That would have been an undefeated regular season team, with a NC win at Oklahoma, if not for very unlucky circumstances against PSU. The offensive gameplan against Clemson had the Buckeyes dead to rights from kickoff and that certainly signaled the beginning of the end for Urban's dominant Buckeye teams. 2017 and 2018 were not on the same level as the 2012-16 run despite Big Ten titles and great records in those seasons. 

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Dstacify's picture

I have several:

1) Benching Boeckman for Pryor in 2008 was a mistake and made the offense completely one-dimensional (Pryor was hilariously inaccurate as a passer that year). It also divided the locker room (the upperclassmen on the team that year strongly disliked Pryor and felt it was disrespectful to Boeckman as a Captain to force him to ride the pine all year).
2) Boeckman was better than people give him credit for in 2007 (he only led the B1G in passing efficiency for the majority of the season). He just struggled behind spotty protection. The reason OSU fans didn't like him was because we were spoiled by Troy's Houdini act the year prior and that was a tough act to follow. Seeing Boeckman compared to the likes of Joe Bauserman just pisses me off to no end. They're nothing alike. Bauserman was a baseball player playing football. Boeckman behind a good O-line could light defenses up. I'd put him in the same tier as Cardale tbh.
3) I've said this before but we don't win the 2015 Sugar Bowl against Bama without Cardale at QB. Yes, he wasn't perfect by any means but he was extremely clutch on third down throughout that game which gave OSU the means to claw back into it. If JT starts in that game Herman overuses the QB run like he did so often and Alabama's defense completely snuffs that out. Whatever your feelings about Cardale may be he was what we needed in that game.

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Brohio's picture

Well, looks like we found Todd's dad's account. Hey Mr. Boeckman! Hope all is well in St Henry

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

If the OL was better, than I would agree you go with Boeckman; however, after 1 quarter against USC it was apparent that OSU needed a mobile QB that could run for his life.

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bwherbert's picture

1) OSU isn't even close to being a top gameday atmosphere. IMO, PSU and Nebraska are both better. Notre Dame is better. Half the SEC is better. We're just not that lively.

2) I'm done spending hundreds on tickets and $10 bud light. I suppose that's most major CFB programs now but I'm done. I'll take my home theater system, 4k res, and my beer fridge over that situation any day.

3) I hate night games. Just stop playing them.

4) Despite 1 loss and a win in the Fiesta Bowl.....the 2015 team was such a disappointment. OSU basically had an NFL roster. No other teams came close to matching our talent that year but you could tell the players were protecting their draft stock and the coaches had no idea how to motivate them. 

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cricejr's picture

1) YES

2) That's why I drink before the game. A lot.

3) I think most people with kids feel this way, I haven't met a student that hasn't liked them. I'm personally OK with them but I don't like waiting all day for the game.

4) AB-SO-FUCK-IN-LUT-LY

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Dstacify's picture

I've got one more that just occurred to me. OSU fans that feel the need to shit on Herbstreit just for doing his job at ESPN need to shut the hell up. You are a disgrace to this fanbase for doing that. I like that Herbie isn't a complete homer on GameDay like Desmond Howard is. It means he's good at his job (whereas Howard's act is just cringe-inducing) and it's a reason why he's lasted as long as he has at ESPN. He also might be one of the few voices of reason currently employed by that network. He's shown that he does support OSU when it counts like when he expressed excitement over Meyer's hiring back in 2011 or when he congratulated the team on Twitter after their thumping of scUM last year.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

The only two Ohio State players I truly despised were Dane Sanzenbacher and Brian Hartline.

Both were incredibly over rated and the product of having talent around them that far exceeded their own. I ALSO HATE GRINDY TRY HARD GUY

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Dstacify's picture

I get where you're coming from but without Hartline we don't have the number 3 ranked recruiting class in 2020 atm. If you still hate him after that I'm sorry but that just makes you an angry and unreasonable person.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

He wasn't when I despised him.

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stxbuck's picture

How did Hartline benefit from superior talent around him in 07' and 08'? He was only a RS frosh in 06' . Also, why was Sanzenbacher "overrated"? He drew an NFL paycheck for 4 years-you don't do that by being a shitty player. At tOSU he had Terrelle Pryor throwing to him-I'd hardly call that a case of a QB making his receivers look better than they were.....................................

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Dane also dropped passes like they were hot in the NFL so while he was on the roster, he was BAD. Better than a regular Joe? sure if that is the metric, but relative to his peer he was a bum in college and a bigger bum in the pros. I had the privilege of watching him be shitty for my NFL team for a few years in addition to my college team. (Bears fan-and if you take a swing at Cutler you and me are REALLY gonna have issues ;))

Sanzenbacher is the single most overrated and over-hyped player in the mythos of OSU football. He is so universally loved and was nothing more than a guy that was there to catch balls when the offense threw them.

And to the guy that asked-yes, Ohio State would not be better if CJ Saunders played more or worse if he didnt. I don't hate him-I nothing him. You can take your sCRAPPY try hards. I'll take talent. Also, your Simon analogy is soft. In addition to having a work ethic like no other, John Simon was an IMMENSELY talented and skilled defensive lineman. He just happened to have a god-like attitude towards the work needed.

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cledaybuck's picture

I don't get the Sanzenbacher hate.  His 2010 season (when OSU threw for 2,750 yards) he had more receiving yards than any player under Meyer except Campbell in 2018 (when we threw for 5,100 yards).

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Because he had Devier Posey opposite him to actually take the top off of the defense, Saine and Herron who could run the ball and the greatest athlete in OSU history to keep defenses honest, lest he takes off and bashes the defense for long gains.

There is nothing wrong with being the guy that benefits from other guys that are better than you.

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stxbuck's picture

Guess what-most WRs aren't Julio Jones or Tony Gonzalez or Jordy Nelson-and anyone expecting that level of play from every WR that sets foot on the field for tOSU or your favorite NFL team is going to be doomed to a lifetime of butthurt and disappointment. NFL teams love special teams warriors with solid hands. Are they going to go to 10 Pro Bowls in their career-of course not. Are they going to contribute, earn their paycheck, and in general have the right to claim that they were a better football player than 98% of the guys who ever suited up in college, let alone HS-hell yeah. Ask any Clemson fan if they don't appreciate Hunter Renfro as much as any of of the freakazoids they have had at WR in recent seasons.

I get it-you are the type of poster who has X box fantasies that every tOSU signee is a superstar waiting to happen, and the staff could sign players that were sooooo much more awesome and dynamic if only they knew as much football as you. Guess what-Sanzenbacher and Hartline both took their athletic abilities to the max and produced on and off the field for both tOSU. Maybe they hooked up w/ your gf at tOSU behind your back-I don't know-but your issues with them as players are completely nuts.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

NFL teams love special teams warriors with solid hands

Dane couldn't catch in the NFL and had more drops per attempt than anyone in his time in Chicago. 

X box fantasies

I'm a PS4 guy

Maybe they hooked up w/ your gf at tOSU behind your back-I don't know-but your issues with them as players are completely nuts.

I went to OSU from 2001-2005. During that time actually talented WR's played for OSU. Chris Gamble, Mike Jenkins, Ted Ginn, etc. 

I LOVE how this has now devolved to personal attacks on me somehow because I took shots at scrappy try hard guys. There is also this notion that talent and heart are mutually exclusive. Were Brian Hartline and Dane Sanzenbacher better than guys that didn't play Big Ten football? Yes. Of course. But heart isn't enough to move my needle. I can not stand the 'give me a team of 11 Dane Sanzenbachers" that tends to come up whenever his good name is brought up in conversation. I'm simply saying you can take your minimally talented, maximum effort guys and I will take my chances with the max talent guys-some of whom have the same heart as the beloved Great Dane and I'd bet my team wins. By a lot. A lot of the time.

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stxbuck's picture

Hartline and Sanzenbacher weren't "scrappy, try hard" guys-they were NFL caliber WRs who showed their talent both at tOSU and at the next level. Both WRs ate Devier Posey's lunch, career wise, in the NFL...........................

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cledaybuck's picture

Thank you. Sanzenbacher wasn’t untalented. He may not have had great top end speed, but he was quick and shifty and had good hands (at least at OSU, I can’t speak for his time in the NFL). There is a reason he had more receptions, yards, ypc, and TD’s than Posey in 2010.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Yes. He was. Dane Sanzenbacher sucked.

Brian Hartline also sucked but sucked less.

OSU fans love Scrappy white guys. I don't

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cledaybuck's picture

Neither one sucked. Sucky players don’t make the NFL. Just because they may have been scrappy and white (although I don’t remember Hartline being that scrappy) doesn’t mean they were untalented. Aaron Craft was a scrappy white guy with Talent. Dakich was a scrappy white guy that wasn’t that talented.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

I'll step back on Hartline. He was 10 times better than Dane. I didn't care for him and can't figure out why but his on-field play was better than I gave it credit for.

At no point in their careers did any opposing defensive coordinator say "We absolutely have to stop Sanzenbacher". He was a glorified slot wideout playing on the outside, and the most impressive play he made during his tenure at OSU was recovering a fumble in the Sugar Bowl. Other than that he was nothing more than a guy that caught passes when an offense threw them. He changed to games, OSU would have been the exact same team with him or without him and he is treated like he belongs in the pantheon of OSU players. My original point is that he is horribly over rated. 

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cledaybuck's picture

I didn't care for him and can't figure out why

Maybe because he was the leader of the anti-Pryor brigade that helped cause a rift in the 2008 team (although from what I hear, Pryor was a jerk too)?

Other than that he was nothing more than a guy that caught passes when an offense threw them.

Isn't that basically his job?  Up until last year, that would be an improvement for most OSU WR's in recent memory (and still seems to be a problem for Victor).

OSU would have been the exact same team with him or without him

Um No.  Go take a look at the receiving stats for the 2010 team.  The WR room was awfully thin.  The only better WR than Dane was playing QB.

he is treated like he belongs in the pantheon of OSU players.

I don't know how others treat him, but he doesn't belong anywhere near the pantheon of OSU players.  He's not even on the all Tressel team as a WR.

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stxbuck's picture

If Aaron Craft had Dakich's outside shot, he would be getting major NBA minutes right now.

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cledaybuck's picture

Uh, no.  Dakich's shot would be lucky to not get blocked half the time in the NBA.  But I will agree that Craft would be in the NBA if he had a good outside shot.

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SilverState's picture

Something tells me you're not a fan of C.J. Saunders either.

All are not overrated. Fans just admire guys who get more out of their god-given ability, a la John Simon

Edit: btw, despise means "hate." I'm sure I could think of a few players who I think are overrated by fans. I can't imagine this would make me "truly hate" a Buckeye though

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JTFor President2016's picture

Tressel was a great coach. But Urban Meyer curbstopped him in 2006, and would continue to do so. The 2014-2018 Buckeyes would demolish any team from 2001-2010

Additionally, I love Hang on Sloopy. Looking at this thread, that seems that nearly everyone hates it. For some reason, it still juices me up. 

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Dstacify's picture

Hang on Sloopy is a great song. I get the feels every time I hear it during a game because it usually is played when OSU is closing out a victory.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I met my wife in a piano bar in New Orleans (Pat O'Brien's) after requesting and singing along to Hang on Sloopy a week before the OSU-LSU NC game. (She was with her Louisiana family talking trash calling me tiger bait). The song has a special meaning to me as a Buckeye alum too.

And I still think the song is goofy and don't get the connection to Ohio State (yeah I get it, the band was from Ohio just like thousands of other bands).

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cledaybuck's picture

The 2014-2018 Buckeyes would demolish any team from 2001-2010

Wrong.  No one demolished the 2002, 2003, or 2005 Buckeyes.  I can't say the same for the past two years.

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Dstacify's picture

The 2002-03 teams would get curbstomped by most of Meyer's teams. Tressel was a good enough coach to get the most out of those squads but the offense was questionable during those years (particularly the offensive line) and 2003 showed that they could barely survive without Clarett and had no running game whatsoever.

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cledaybuck's picture

You are trying to tell me the 2002 team that went 14-0 beating and uber talented Miami team for a NC is getting curb stomped by the past years team that literally could not stop giving up big plays?  The most points that 2002 team gave up in regulation was 21 while the 2018 team gave up less than that only 4 times and gave up 28 in one quarter.

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Dstacify's picture

As great as that 2002 defense was they'd be gassed from being on the field 70% of the game against Meyer's teams (as would any defense). That offense in 2002 was very average at times (and the offensive line was downright bad and would've looked so much worse that year had Krenzel not had decent mobility and savvy ability to extend plays). They were completely reliant on Clarett to carry them throughout the season and as we saw in 2003 once he was no longer there it turned into a complete shitshow with no identity at all. Also it's not like every single one of Meyer's teams since he's been here was prone to getting blown out by the likes of Iowa and Purdue. That kind of became a recent thing towards the end under Meyer (and it very much tells me that he's lost it at least a little bit as a head coach).

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YinzerBuck's picture

Maybe not "demolished" but Michigan thoroughly whipped us in '03.

Chris Perry and Braylon Edwards had huge games that day. We didn't even get close to stonefooted John Navarre.

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cledaybuck's picture

OSU fans are overentitled and spoiled.

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stxbuck's picture

Watch out-they'll say you don't understand them as millenials..........

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Actually I agree that this is the millennials

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I think Ryan Day will do an excellent job developing NFL talent, especially on offense. He’ll win 1 national title, 3 B1G Championships, and make 2 CFP appearances before bolting for the NFL after the 2022 season - because that is where his heart and desire truly lie.

Oh, and IMHO -

Meyer > Woody > Tressel > Day > Cooper > Bruce

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DrSpaceman's picture

It's been mentioned above, but people shit on Tom Herman way too much on this site. Their perception of his coaching ability is completely clouded by what went down between him and Zach Smith last year rather than the fact he developed a third string quarterback to the point where he could win a national title.

As a follow-up - popular opinion. Coaching ability aside, I think he's a drama queen and am thrilled Day ended up as the new HC rather than him. Back in 15 and 16 I was hoping that Herman would take the reins one day.

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navybucknut's picture

I don't think he so much as developed Jones, we had Zeke running around those last three teams like it was no ones business. If you don't have a RB running for at least 200yds a game, we don't win against Alabama... Jones did make some great passes in those games for sure, but JT also made great passes in big games too...

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Dstacify's picture

I will never apologize for shitting on Herman. The way he chose to go after ZS and UFM because he was bitter about missing out on Garrett Wilson was extremely petty on his part (especially considering he had behavioral issues of his own when he coached at OSU). Herman would NOT be where he is right now if Meyer doesn't take a chance on him in 2012 and pull him out of Iowa State to be OC here. I get he was a good coach for us but he's also an asshole.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

You're mad Herman went after Zach Smith but calm Herman the asshole? Zach Smith probably kicked the shit out of his wife. Herman probably did not

No matter what, for any reason, Herman isn't a bigger asshole than Smith. Ever.

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D56GoBucks's picture

It's been said above but I am often embarrassed by our fan base, for a multitude of reasons. It gets tiresome trying to make excuses for our fans when conversing with fans from other schools. One of the most embarrassing moments was when the Herbstreit stuff came out. The dude has never been anything less than a GREAT ambassador for the university, and I can guarantee nobody loves The Ohio State University any more than he does. He just so happens to be the most prominent voice in college football and, refreshingly, shoots it straight.

Also, I love Hang on Sloopy and would be sad if it ever went away. Thankfully, that's never going to happen.

The double Script Ohio at road games is a huge letdown and probably leads opposing fan bases to wonder why the hell it's even considered one of the best traditions in college football.

Refusing to say "Michigan" is personal preference, but those who rag on someone or correct them for referring to the school by name can shove it. 

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EnonBuck79's picture

It may be unpopular but there are still 35 more days of off seasoning here..

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DukeofWeimar's picture

Urban Meyer is a better person than most give him credit for being.

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stuckupnorth's picture

OSU fans are some of the worst. They blindly defend everything OSU. In thier eyes it’s a conspiracy about everything.

I like Kirk Herbstriet.  I enjoy when he does games. He is very professional. Just because he says something that the buckeyes aren’t perfect doesn’t mean he sucks or tries to hard. Yes he has said some things. His job is to do that. We have all said some dumb things. We just don’t get paid to do it. 

JT is most overrated player in Buckeye history. The team did just fine without him.

OSU loses to Michigan had Haskins not come in. 

Shiano/ Meyer poor coaching made me skip two games last year. I recorded every game since dvr came out. The lack of any adjustments drove me over the edge. The same almost happened with JT up the middle 20 times a game(not jT fault)

Larry Johnson is a stud in every way possible. However I don’t feel like the line gets much pressure on QB without top 5 NFL draft picks. 

The no fly moniker is stupid and I hate when the secondary gets torched and they finally make a play and they wave their arms

Meyer was way to loyal. It cost a National title

Clemson is running football and they ain’t going nowhere

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stxbuck's picture

Clemson, Mississippi State, and Alabama would agree with you about college DLs not getting constant pressure w/out 1st talent. As a college DL coach recently said in another article "Great DL sort of develop on their own"-you don't coach them up-and i'm sure Bama's DL coaches would say the same thing.

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stuckupnorth's picture

I get what your saying and I agree. I think LJ gets to much credit. I feel kinda same way about PHil Jackson Shaq Jordan Pippen Kobe will make a lot of people look good

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stxbuck's picture

As will the Bosa Bros, Chase Young, and Robert Landers. 

As far as Clemson goes, they will stub their toes in the ACC a time or two-Dino Babers is a good coach, but no way Syracuse should be beating Clemson in 17' and giving them a dogfight in 18'. Can't wait for this year in the Carrier Dome.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

I've already posted one in this thread, but I'm going to post another. This will sound like blasphemy to some of you.

I don't think Archie should've won his second Heisman.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome that the only two-time Heisman winner is such a classy representative of the university, but when you look at his 1975 season compared to other nominees like Ricky Bell and Tony Dorsett, they had more impressive seasons than Archie, in my opinion. I think the main reason why Archie won his second one was because he had bigger name value with already having won one, and because OSU was 11-0 and ranked #1 at the end of the regular season.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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JTFor President2016's picture

I never saw him play, but my grandpa told me the exact same thing. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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aledyard's picture

I don't like the "OH" "IO" cheer. 

I think OSU has an obnoxious/annoying fan base.

I root for Michigan and the rest of the B1G when they aren't playing OSU.

I hate it when people say TTUN or TSUN or *ichigan.  It's Michigan.

I think OSU made a mistake in hiring Ryan Day, a guy who's only head coaching experience is 3 games as OSU's interim coach.

I'm a big fan of Kirk Herbstreit.

I think Urban Meyer should have been fired before the start of last season.

I like Michigan's winged helmet.

OSU doesn't win the 2014 national title without Tom Herman.

I hate field turf.  Wish OSU would switch back to natural grass.

An OSU team consisting of a minority of Ohio kids just doesn't do it for me.  We should be showcasing the best of Ohio at Ohio State.  There is enough talent in Ohio to put at least 60% of Ohio kids on the team and compete for B1G/National Championships every year.  Look at the rosters of the teams from 2002 and 2014 - majority of Ohio kids on those rosters.  Ohio ranks #5 in terms of putting players in the NFL, the talent is here.

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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Z-List's picture

the "The" is elitist and absurd - I hear about it everywhere I go and it is usually done with rolling eyes and a chuckle

the jablokes gotta go - the old men hogging the camera - should be relegated to the last row, possibly in a cage - on camera

the huge money grab - has gotten way out of hand - and why are 'we' as a so called institution of higher learning funding the NFL's minor league? while giving those kids a half a** education? 

that huge money grab has allowed our athletic department to become its own powerhouse of zero accountability - is the university running the athletic department or is the athletic department running the university?

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TheBadOwl's picture

Time to unload with both barrels. 

  1. I'm glad Urban's gone for a variety of reasons. It was clear he lost his fastball the last couple of years, refused to make adjustments until they blew up (Iowa/Purdue games), played not to lose, etc… but beyond on-field reasons, he almost exclusively hired from the old boys club or from his groomsman party.
  2. I can't stand a huge swath of our fan base. They'll blindly accept anything that paints OSU or Urban in a good light and act like any negativity out there is some horrible conspiracy or bias. Never more apparent than last summer in the Zach Smith saga – a coach that people here didn't even like and already saw as a hot head – suddenly, any crazy, unverified message board rumor about Courtney being 'the crazy one' was taken as gospel. McMurphy broke a lot of journalistic protocols and standards and should be embarrassed about how he reported the story, but Courtney's story is a hell of a lot more credible than people here are willing to believe. 
  3. Urban should have been fired for the text message thing alone.
  4. Urban talked up how seriously he took the issue of domestic violence for years, but it was clear through the course of the investigation that he had a lot to learn about that issue, and his total lack of remorse was a sign that he had no interest in actually walking the talk. 
  5. To that point, the fan base's support for Zach Smith is embarrassing as hell. 
  6. Our fan base's vitriol towards the national media as a whole is also embarrassing and frustrating. There's no anti-OSU conspiracy. 
  7. Kirk Herbstreit being objective in his analysis – even if it means speaking honestly about Ohio State's flaws on the field – shows how good he is at his job. It makes him a better representation of the university than if he was a homer. 
  8. To that end, people jump all over Desmond Howard for being a Michigan homer… but then get on Kirk for not being enough of an OSU homer? Dumb shit right there, folks.
  9. Not saying "Michigan" is dumb as hell and even worse is people who say things like scUM, etc. 
  10. The environment at the Horseshoe isn't very good. Full stop. Happy Valley and half of the SEC schools run laps around us there. 
  11. Ban the superfans. 
  12. Being an OSU fan in another state is far better than being one in Columbus. Running into fellow fans/alums was more of a positive experience than being here, where it's a pissing contest to see who the bigger fan is
  13. The OSU local media (including blogs, and yes, including 11w) bends over backwards to carry water for the football program. And while the PR team gives them the same player availabilities every day, seeing every outlet write the same story about the same player/coach every day is so tiresome. 
  14. Speaking of the local media, most of them don't even try to be objective anymore. I see a ton of 'reporters' on Twitter openly mocking Michigan/Harbaugh. And for all of the people who complain about a perceived anti-OSU bias, there's far more pro-OSU bias here in our backyard. 
  15. 3:30 kick for The Game, please.
  16. The gray shoulders should be the primary uniforms, but also I'd love to see more alternates – let's say two of them (one throwback, one experimental one) per year. 
  17. Tom Herman rules. 
  18. Pay the players.
  19. Braxton is the best player the Buckeyes have had at QB (and it wouldn't be close if he stayed healthy) and people forget how great he was. 
  20. Beth Mowins is good and people generally wouldn't complain about her if she wasn't a woman (the worst play-by-play guy for OSU games, by far, is Steve Levy, whose only volume is shouting) 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Years of therapy saved. Nice work

Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month

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bd2999's picture

Not sure the whole fan base supports Zack Smith. A larger number than should do though. And it is embarrassing.

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Z-List's picture

great points! the local media needs OSU far more than OSU needs them - thats why they dont ask tough questions - is there any other reason to have the paper delivered? 

and some to many spoiled fans are truly annoying - pointing fingers at others while ignoring or minimizing the nonsense that goes on with our team -  that was truly exemplified when the Strauss report came out....

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stxbuck's picture

If you are going pay the players a salary, take away the 50K in benefits they receive every year and make them pay for it. Just sayin...........

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TheBadOwl's picture

Given how much the NCAA makes (and the bigger universities), they're still woefully under-compensated relative to the value they're adding. Not advocating to put them on six figure salaries, but a moderate stipend + implementing the Olympic model would fix a lot of problems.

People act like paying the athletes somehow violates the sanctity of amateur athletics, as if paying coaches millions of dollars, conferences making *billions* on television deals, rising ticket prices, etc., hasn't already done that. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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stxbuck's picture

tOSU athletics made $12 million in profit last year. I'd say paying the athletes the equivalent of $25 an hour for their collective labor-scholarship/benefits value-isn't a raw deal, especially considering that they-along w/ Clemson, Bama, Auburn,etc,etc athletes have the brand exposure for the next level. Players will get drafted from Sam Houston and Boise State, but playing at a big time school will get them on the radar sooner and perhaps allow them to get drafted earlier/declare early with confidence-that could be a career earnings swing of 4-500K or more. Bottom line, athletes aren't getting exploited by receiving a free education and training at tOSU.

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TheBadOwl's picture

tOSU athletics made $12 million in profit last year.  I'd say paying the athletes the equivalent of $25 an hour for their collective labor-scholarship/benefits value-isn't a raw deal

You're operating under three wrong assumptions, though. 

  1. That the school's expenditures would remain the same if they had to pay the players.
  2. That the school would be the entity paying the players to begin with. 
  3. That $25/hr figure is *not* what it actually costs the university to provide those benefits

If LSU had to pay their players, would they construct a $28M locker room, or "settle" for a $18M locker room and use the leftover money to fund a stipend system providing every single player on the 85 man roster a $30k yearly stipend for the next four years? 

As for the $25/hr quote for things like room and board, remember that the schools are giving away something that they have a built in profit margin for. It costs Apple $443 to manufacture an iPhone that they sell for $1,250 – if they allot a specific amount to give away for promotional purposes, they're not losing $1,250 per model, they're spending $443. And as you said, the athletic department here is profitable – there's no opportunity cost for the university because athletes on scholarships in revenue sports are contributing to something that contributes to a far higher profit margin than a regular student paying their own way. 

But regardless, the money wouldn't be coming from the school, it'd be from the NCAA and the conferences. The NCAA makes over a billon dollars each year from March Madness alone. Not sure how much they make from college football but I'd imagine it's at least half of that. The conferences are loaded, too – the Big Ten makes $440 million PER YEAR from ESPN and FOX as a part of their new TV deal.  I'd have to imagine that the SEC, PAC 12 and Big 12 make similar amounts from their TV deals.

So, here's a practical way to do it: 

  • Give each scholarship student in a revenue sports a $30k stipend
    • Rough math (130 CFB teams x 85 scholarships each + 250 CBB teams x 15 scholarships each) would mean that there are roughly 16,000 athletes who would qualify for the $30k stipend 
      • *Also, that stipend would be contingent on academic eligibility 
  • Use the Olympic model to open up endorsement opportunities but run them through compliance departments to ensure that they're reasonable and not being used as a recruiting tool (this would help stars top the $30k stipend and open up opportunities for athletes in non-revenue sports) 

It'd cost about $480 million per year to fully fund the stipend system. That's a lot! But it's also less than half of what the NCAA makes from March Madness alone – and the NCAA loves finding ways to monetize shit. Have the NCAA fund most of it and the conferences make up the rest of it. 

This would also pave the way for player likenesses to be used in video games and whatnot, opening up more partnership opportunities and revenue streams for conferences and the NCAA. 

Bottom line, athletes aren't getting exploited by receiving a free education and training at tOSU.

The biggest fallacy of the anti-pay argument is acting like people who are pro-pay think that it sucks to be a D1 athlete. It doesn't. But they do deserve a bigger slice of the pie, and given the exponential revenue growth that the NCAA has seen, it's clear that their efforts to fight this movement are rooted in their checkbooks, not some noble quest to preserve the sanctity of amateurism. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Stx and I are back in agreement!

Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month

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stuckupnorth's picture

Man I agree with you. I thought I was only one. However Beth is terrible. I don’t care what she looks like. I just don’t like to listen to her. In fact I don’t like most. I enjoy the guys on CBS doing SEC games as well as Kirk Herbstriet. In fact I think Herbstriet is probably the best out there. Brent Musburger used to drive me insane. His over the top delivery was maddening. It used to be Hello mr. Collins Mr Jones would like to have a word with you. He drove me crazy. A poor mans Dick Vitale  full of analogies. After Brent stopped doing so many games I realized I liked him. Anyway you are so correct about media bias/ anti OSU it almost makes this forum unreadable. The amount of Urban/ OSU worshippers is crazy. Meyer gets caught up in a scandal that he plays dumb on. First thing people say espn witch hunt, Alabama something something something , he is being framed. No one will admit thier idol is not perfect.They justify away ever thing. Everyone is a liar, Zack Smith’s mother’s aunts neighbor doesn’t believe them. Zack Smith’s wife mom don’t believe them. Like we know if they are credible or not. 

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High St Heismans's picture

TheBadOwl 26 JUL 2019, 2:32 PM 

Time to unload with both barrels. 

Good Post,I got down votefd into oblivion for calling Urban,Zack on the carpet and blind devotion to JTB so I get this

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KCAlum's picture

1. Football in general was better when there was less passing and was not just basketball on a field. There is too much downtime and games take too long to complete. 

2. There is no need to start the season in August. With climate change, it now is almost a lock for the temperature during the first game to be in the 90's. No one wants to play or watch football when it is over 90 degrees. Go back to 11 games and start the season around September 12th. 

3. The game is evolving the wrong way for it's future, it should go back to emphasizing all around play and not specialists. Something back toward rugby and limited substitution could help the concussion and injury situation.  Making players be all around athletes instead of size or speed specialists will help cut down on the intensity of collisions.  Perhaps even going to a modernized verison the padded helmet Woody tried to introduce in the early '60's, as well as dropping face masks could help as well. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Pretty sure it’s always been hot in August...since it’s...you know...in the summer.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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KCAlum's picture

Exactly, and football is a fall/cold weather game.  No need to play regular season games in August or over Labor Day weekend. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

1.  The Big 10 completely screwed Noah Spence when they suspended him for taking PED's instead of recreational drugs.  Thankfully it worked out in the end and Spence was able to get his shit together, but the B1G kicking him out of the conference for 2 PED fails was asinine.

2. Ohio State screwed Urban Meyer, Zach Smith and Torrance Gibson over.  Hopefully the word "Loyalty" isn't in their mission statement because all 3 were thrown to the wolves for PR reasons by the University.  

3. Braxton Miller was the worst QB to play under Meyer.  Guiton, Barrett, Jones and Haskins were all worse athletes and better QB's.

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High St Heismans's picture

CTBuckeyeFan 

1.  The Big 10 completely screwed Noah Spence when they suspended him for taking PED's instead of recreational drugs.  Thankfully it worked out in the end and Spence was able to get his shit together, but the B1G kicking him out of the conference for 2 PED fails was asinine.

As much as I liked Noah and what he brought he had a disregard for the rules and I'm guessing his grades were taking a hit also.PRIORITIES.They're given a free ride - a get out of jail free card is asking a bit much

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Not saying he should have gotten off without punishment, just that the B1G saying he was taking PEDs was idiotic.  X is a lot of things, athletic performance enhancing is not one of them.

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cledaybuck's picture

3. Braxton Miller was the worst QB to play under Meyer.  Guiton, Barrett, Jones and Haskins were all worse athletes and better QB's.

No freaking way would I take Kenny Guiton over Braxton Miller.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Ticket prices are a joke.  I've lived in CBus 21 years and have been to 2 games and both times was the guest of other people.  At one of them Drew Breese played for Purdue - okay that was cool.  I can't even recall the other, we had nice covered seats.  Otherwise I have a hard time understanding forking over that kind of cash.  Hi-def TV and better food and beverages right at home, and I still have money left for a case of nice wine, and my dog sits at my feet.

I completely understand the concerns about the donor-class geezers making the stadium dull.  Hell I sitting with some of them at one of the freebies I copped.

I'm not even an alumni, but I have really come to enjoy 11W though!

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Attack51's picture

1. Seven Nation Army is the worst

2. I love some of the recent alternate unis like the All-Gray's worn against PSU and the alternate whites against Michigan in 2017....but...I outside of the scarlet helmet stickers I hate the all-blacks. I know many like them but I think they suck.

3. The fake grass surface looks absolutely awful compared to the natural grass field with the gray midfield and endzones.

4. Our home field advantage sucks compared to the SEC and a few other schools. We're definitely not top 10 nationally, probably around 15-20. It's only tough to win in Columbus because the team is more talented than the opponent.

5. Hating Michigan is a great mentality, but referring to them as "TTUN" and crossing M's out is kinda lame.

6. Wish The Game kicked off at 3:30 annually, screw the Iron Bowl.

7. I could care less about the band.
 

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JTFor President2016's picture

#5 is the correct take

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Tuf Borland and Damon Arnette are weak links that somehow continue to get a ton of PT. Neither are better then the guys that are so called behind them. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Brohio's picture

UNPOPULAR opinions. I think you read it wrong

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shiloh's picture

Related to the staff, powers that be at 11 warriors regarding topics involving both Ohio State athletics and politics which don't allow comments. Either allow comments for every frickin' thread or don't bring up said topic that may be soooo controversial you're afraid of discussion!

If you're going to allow discussions re: alleged wife beaters don't be bashful re: anything else that may rock your boat! Sports, politics, sex, etc. overlapping 24/7 the past 20/30/40 yrs notwithstanding.

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Indeed, Avoid Politics, Religion & Hot-Button Social Issues. Oh, the irony ...

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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TheBadOwl's picture

Here's an unpopular opinion along those same lines: sports and politics have long been intertwined and it's an exercise in futility to try to act like they are completely separate realms. 

Athletes trying to better the world or shed light on important social issues is one hell of a noble way to use a platform given by athletics. Any other action an athlete could take wouldn't be as effective without their platform. Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, LeBron James, Pat Tillman, Jim Brown, Tommie Smith/John Carlos, Jackie Robinson… I could go on and on. These men all used their platform to stand up for issues they believed in – and those wouldn't get as much attention without their help. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Brohio's picture

Great points guys. Can we just move along from this topic now so this thread doesnt get nuked? Everyones having fun. Let's just end this here and not go down this road

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TheBadOwl's picture

Yeah I'm not gonna go farther than that other than to say that I don't consider it a specific political stance to say that I like seeing athletes use their platform – and to be honest, I respect the guts it takes even if it's a stance I disagree with. 

Don't think opinions get more unpopular than that, though. ;) 

If that constitutes as a political statement on here, I apologize. Another unpopular opinion: pineapple on pizza is… acceptable? Not gonna hate on people who like it – it's fine – and not gonna agree with people who swear that it's the best way to eat pizza. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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stxbuck's picture

You gonna throw Reggie White, Tony Gonzalez, Peyton Manning,Steve  Largent and Mariano Rivera in that list of athlete-activists or only those on the “correct” side of history?

If you want to eat pineapple on your pizza, whatevs, your tastebuds. Personally, sweet and tomato sauce are a bad mix in my book.

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40 Degrees North's picture

I posted on the thread earlier this year. I guess I will add a few more. Some of these come from some of the posts above.

1. 2015 was a bigger failure than 1998.

2. One of the defensive coaches from last season would have been canned during the middle of the season at other schools.

3. What the Illinois governors office is to American politics (3 governors jailed since 1970), the OSU head coaching job is to college football (3 coaches gone due to personal wrongdoing or personal judgment errors since 1978). 

4. I’m not sold on Ryan Day.

5. No one is able to fully believe Zach or Courtney. Both of them have stories that are feasible, but both are full of shit. The only answer is we don’t know.

6. While some argue that anti-OSU media conspiracies are crazy, it’s not hard to argue that media outlets have an agenda. At times that agenda has been harmful to OSU.

7. There were members of the media that knew about Zach Smith’s 2013 DUI and didn’t report on it. 

8. Jim Tressel replacing Todd Boeckman with Terrelle Pryor was probably the right decision. However, Tressel’s handling of it behind the scenes was not good and I don’t blame Boeckman for being bitter about it. 

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shiloh's picture

@ #3 Woody was fired for cause, Bruce was fired for team performance, Cooper was fired for team performance, Tressel resigned in disgrace for lying to the NCAA, Fickell was an interim coach, Meyer resigned for health reasons.

btw, rumor has it Meyer is still employed at OSU as an asst to the AD.

So 2, not 3.

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Also, the main reason Woody was fired was probably for losing to ttun 3 yrs in a row. :-P

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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cvillebuckeye65's picture

I mean Woody punched a player in the face...didn’t have anything to do with him losing to Michigan. He legit punched a player in the face haha

TUN SUCKS!!!

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yankeescum's picture

He punched his own offensive linemen in the face on a regular basis at practice.  

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yankeescum's picture

They Call Me Assassin!
By Jack Tatum

Actually I don't think there is an exclamation point on there, but there should be. It was in my high school library (in Alaska of all places) needless to say I read it with gusto.

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SilverState's picture

If that's true makes me think quite a bit differently about Woody.

"Year for what?"

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yankeescum's picture

Well let me pull the book out and check just in case I'm spreading some vicious canard.

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yankeescum's picture

Alright, I found the book, it was in my kids' room, three little Alaskans whose biggest dream is to play basketball at The Ohio State University.

Tatum claims Woody hit Phil Strickland several times in the head (my impression is that his helmet was on) during halftime. And that it was not a terribly uncommon occurrence and also refers to it as a "common type of coaching sucker punch". Different times. But Tatum also loves the hell out of Woody and calls him a great man. The Woody part of the book is a great read, I was born in '80, so the book was really my only real contact with Woody, and I love the hell out of the Woody in the book, player abuse and all, and so does Tatum, and so did Strickland. Like I said, it a different time.

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stxbuck's picture

Yes, this is correct. I have They Call Me Assassin and They Still Call Me Assassin in a special combo volume, and Tatum did indeed speak of Woody knocking his guys around-but when they were in pads/helmets-and the players pretty much laughed it off. The players kind of regarded Woody like Yosemite Sam,imo, getting him fired up was funny!

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CedarBuck92's picture

But women never lie

In all seriousness I think this is the right take on that particular issue. 

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High St Heismans's picture

Zack Smith POS regardless how good his podcast is.Dik-pics in the White House?Perv toys to the WHAC?Taking recruits coaches to Skin Bars?Snorting cane off of strippers?Plethora of run ins with his wife?Getting behind the wheel blasted?Coming to work the same?And this is what we know!REALLY - and this institution is espousing higher education and values.He regrets getting caught - nothing else.Meyer should have been shown the door earlier

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Just going to add .. all of those turned out to be false.

Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month

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High St Heismans's picture

All of them?Drunk to practice?Many said he wreaked of alcohol.He said Herman and himself snorted blow off of strippers.All the run ins with Cops/wife false also.Link please

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SlickityDarza's picture

Your space bar seems to be malfunctioning

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

That reminds me - two spaces after a period is better!!

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Here's my unpopular opinion:  Posters who post intentional trolling to piss people off are assholes and don't belong on 11 warriors.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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jpfbucks01's picture

OK here go mine

OSU was a 2nd teir program from about 1976-1992.

During this era, we were oustide the top 10 in overall winning percentage ranking 12th. We went 5-11-1 vs UM, we won or shared only 6 Conference titles in those 17 years.  we went only 6-9 in bowls and played in a major bowl only 6 times going only 2-4 in those games.

We had Woody's debacle against Clemson, a blow out bowl loss to Bama and a loss to Air Force in a bowl, and we had the following losses or ties at home to unranked teams (Mizzo in 76, SMU a Tie in 78, FSU in 81 and 82, Stanford in 82, Wisconsin in 82, Wisconsin in 85, Indiana and Iowa in 87, Illinois and Purdue in 88, and Illinois in 92)

Both Tressel and Meyer played much easier schedules OOC than Bruce or Hayes did which often led to an easier road to be undefeated at the end of the year. As I noted in another thread, nearly 25% of Tressel's wins and 18% in Meyer's era came against Non Big conference teams, where under Cooper, Bruce and Hayes they rarely if ever even played one of these level teams. And although you cant take the title away from each of them, Cooper may have won a couple titles if he had not run a gauntlet before ever getting to "The Game", go back and look at his OOC schedules from his hire thru about 97, I dare say had Tressel or Meyer had to run thru those schedules they may not have been unscathed against UM as much as they were.

The hire of Day was a hasty hiring decision. They should have interviewed at least another candiate or 2.  I think he will be fine, but this could be a massive backfire. Not counting Fickell, this is the first HC hire we have made for football with less than 1 year HC experience since Paul Bixler in 1946.

A sizable percentage of OSU fans are just drunken idiots who know so little about the game it is embarrassing to be part of this fan base at times.

Lastly, OSU football tickets are so stupidly expensive OSU may be jumping the shark. God forbid Day turns out to be a bad hire and ends up like Rich Rod and decimates this program in the next 3-4 years and we then spend decades with declining fan interest (like UM has struggled with), OSU fans often being so spoiled by our on going success, will potential bail if it were to take 10+ years to recover.

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JTFor President2016's picture

You do make an interesting point about spoiled fans. OSU has been kicking ass for so long (1992-present), that it is really unprecedented. Sure Bama and Clemson have been better over the last decade (4-5 years for Clemson), but I can't think of another team that has been so consistently good, for so long, like OSU has been. In my football watching lifetime, I've witnessed 2 seasons that didn't end with 10+ wins (my first recollection of football came in 2002 when I was 6 years old). There are several others in that boat. Hell, 18 year olds today have only seen 1 bad season, and that was due to tattoogate. 

I share your concerns that fans may bail. The baby boomers and generation X lived through 9-3, and through the 90s. They are hardened fans who will never waver. My generation has been spoiled beyond belief. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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tjshaffe's picture

A sizable percentage of OSU fans are just drunken idiots who know so little about the game it is embarrassing to be part of this fan base at times.

Agreed.  Too many games have been ruined by some uninformed idiot yelling obscenities and booing throughout most of the game.  Add in the diminishing presence of the TBDBITL and an increase of commercials and advertisements thrown down our throats, ill opt to stay at home and watch. 

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Meek's picture

To summarize, you are embarrassed by OSU fans, but don't want them to go anywhere.

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SpringfieldBuckeye's picture

Do not think Arnette is starter for long. Hopefully the new scheme helps him because man press is not his forte.

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CharlotteBux's picture

I'm jealous of the SEC. They have the best tailgating, best gameday atmospheres, best looking girls, way more beautiful campuses, and for the most part, better teams. Sad to say, but I've been to half their gamedays and 5/7 were more impressive than Ohio St.

Proud Graduate of The Ohio State University-2014

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mr.green's picture

Which 7?

which 5 — and why? 

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CharlotteBux's picture

Been to South Carolina, Georgia, Ole Miss, Bama, Tennessee, Miss St, and Auburn for gamedays in the last 5ish years. All conference games.

Die hard OSU alum and I've been going to games since I was a kid. I would take our gameday atmosphere over Miss St. and Tennessee. 

For the other 5, I just feel like there is a buzz in the air that we don't get in Ohio - maybe due to the weather. The tailgates are in open grassy fields, close to the stadium; the fraternity houses have live bands playing in the backyards with pledges making as many drinks as you want; the campuses were pretty/not super urban like OSU; everyone was super friendly and invited you in their tents for bbq/chick fil a and drinks, etc. Then, at the game, it just seemed like the student sections were much more involved.

It's nothing against Ohio St - those schools just know tailgating/game prep.

Proud Graduate of The Ohio State University-2014

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

The hotter girls in the South thing is a myth. They have their 9's and 10's and their 5's just like every state or school. Its not like attractive women from across the country say "yeah I'm going to go to school at Georgia or Bama because that's where hot girls like me go to school".

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Gratefulbuck's picture

It may not be so much of a myth. The year round weather is better allowing for more consistent outdoor activities, unless you ski a lot. Plus, the sweat inducing humidity is great for natural weight loss, as is a more natural and healthy gluten free diet. And, that humidity is better for the skin than the overrated dry climates, providing a nice glow. 

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milhouse4588's picture

You're probably right. But when girls can wear sundresses and tank tops to almost every game as opposed to sweaters/coast and jeans they certainly come off as more attractive. I don't like to sexualize women but in this case it is a factor.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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stxbuck's picture

In the South overall-it's a myth. At SEC schools-no way-it's true. Hotties from all over country go to Ole Miss and LSU and Georgia and South Carolina and Bama and Vandy for the whole "SEC experience/Southern belle' thing. Hot girls from upper middle class backgrounds/daddy $$$-but not Ivy League grades- do gravitate to SEC schools.

Also, at Florida State and LSU, the recruiters definitely sell the black recruits on the localness of Florida A&M-Tallahassee, and Southern U.-Baton Rogue-lots of hot sisters at the HBCU.

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Octobersownlibra's picture

Urban putting in Martell on multiple end zone drives saved TTUN from a even worse blowout.

Days team the first 3 games felt really different...until Meyer took over in a bad way.

Ryan day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time

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cledaybuck's picture

Urban Meyer didn't get screwed by OSU last summer.  He earned that suspension and could have been fired.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Here goes:

Firstly, I want to apologize, I'm probably going to piss off some folks, and I don't intend too, I typically keep a pretty even keel here, but in the spirit of this post here goes:

Damon Arnette and Tuf Borland are awful. They're great in the spirit as far as being Buckeyes and being examples for the young guys in terms of leadership, but their play on the field has been atrocious at times. Arnette and his PI penalties, Borland and his slowness and inability to react... I wish both were not on the team this year.

I would have felt better about Ryan Day getting hired after OSU did a search for the next head coach. Glad we have him, obviously he's doing well recruiting, but Ohio State isn't a job you inherit.

I will be really bummed if Urban takes another job. I'll hope that we play him as often as possible and smoke him. 

I love my 11W brethren. I look at these, typically buried deeply, issues as my secret shames, and will take my subsequent downvotes. 

EDIT: remembered one more, Urban hiring and keeping his buddies around even when our team (SPECIFICALLY THE DEFENSE) wasn't doing well really made me lose respect for him. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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YoungBuck2019's picture

I don’t know how unpopular this is since I’ve seen it a few times but here it goes:

1. Absolutely hate the O-H I-O call and response. Always have always will. I just think it’s absolutely corny and ever since I became a student at tOSU it’s made me hate it even worse

2. I am not as confident for this season as some other members are. Although we do have great coaches and the talent is there, I fully expect for there to be growing pains and would not be surprised if that resulted in a loss or two

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FieldsofJreams's picture

I stopped wearing Ohio State gear in public to avoid the OH-IO shtick.  When I travel, I prefer to blend in w/ the environment.

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cvillebuckeye65's picture

JT Barrett is one of the best quarterbacks in OSU history. 

TUN SUCKS!!!

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CedarBuck92's picture

The NCAA's job is to monitor eligibility issues. For this reason they had no business handing down bowl bans and scholarship loses to PSU. That solely resides with the B1G. 

Due to being a public employee Urban most likely was a required reporter. The AD and CPD were aware of the ZS issue so his reporting duties were fulfilled. He may have deserved his suspension for keeping ZS around but the precedent that the boss is responsible for the behavior of his employees outside of work is dangerous. 

The people who jumped to ZS defense the moment contradicting reporting started coming out need to look at themselves in the mirror. But so do the people who are still convinced that CS is completely innocent. Enough has come out about this from people who should have knowledge of the situation to cast doubt on both parties being only the abuser or abusee. 

I like the turf in Ohio Stadium

The QB run is a great play and should be used in the new offense.

The NCAA selectively enforces their rules. 

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SleepyLeviathan's picture

Don't comment real often, but I figured I'd get take this opportunity to get these off my chest. 

  • Urban was not a good gameday coach. Excellent recruiter, motivational guy, and (used to be) great at picking assistants. However, he relied solely upon out-recruiting the rest of the conference while he was here. We won 90% of our games during his tenure due to Jimmys and Joes, not Xs and Os. This can be evidenced by the 2016 Fiesta Bowl, 2017 Okie and Iowa, and 2018 Purdue. He flat out got outcoached and jumped by a more motivated, better prepared team in each of these scenarios. 
  • Given the talent that we have been recruiting over the last 5 years, Meyer underachieved here. 
  • Urban got lazy after 2014. His relative laziness with coach hirings/internal promotions/ going with friends instead of proven great coodinators cost us at least 1 repeat Natty (2015), a shot at the 2016 B10 title, and caused our post-season reputation to be tarnished (I would argue to this day) by his hiring decisions ultimately causing Clemson to spank us like a red-headed stepchild on national television.  
  • The team looked better last year under Day's interim tenure than Meyer's. The team looked/felt looser, more fun, and far more relaxed in the first 3 games (exception of Michigan) than they did for the rest of the year. The team started tightening up (not in a good way) after Meyer stepped back in, and it lead to the collapse against Purdue. 
  • The CFP committee threw us a bone in the final rankings before the 2017 B10 title game. Urban's love affair with JT cost us a playoff spot. If we play Haskins over a hobbled JT against Wisconsin, we would have shellacked Wisconsin in similar fashion to 2014. The committee was intrigued by the fact that Haskins came off the bench against UM and promptly started smoking a defense that had largely shut us down to that point the The Game. 
  • JT Barrett's career is incredibly overrated. Any QB that plays in Meyer's system (which the CFB world figured out after 2015) will rack up insane statistics. Barrett held the team back for the last 2 years of his OSU career due to both his lack of consistency as a passer, and his lack of explosiveness as a running threat due to wear on his body after 3.75 years in Meyer's QB run centric system, which wasn't fooling anyone after 2015, where we simply used our superior OL talent to steamroll people with an all-time RB to end the year. 
  • Tuf Borland was handed his starting spot due to having to take over in a game against a team that he was basically tailor made to play against (Army). Meyer wouldn't yank his starting spot last year due to misplaced loyalty, even when it became painfully obvious that he simply doesn't have the physical gifts to play against teams with any semblance of speed.  
  • Kendall Sheffield and Damon Arnette were by far our worst corner tandem in a very, very long time. Why teams didn't just chuck the ball at the person Arnette was covering on 3rd and long and wait for the inevitable PI flag more than they did puzzles me to this day. The fact that it took us 9 games and a targeting ejection to find out White was the answer at the other safety position was a travesty. 

That's all I got for now, I might add more to this thread later. If I seem unfair on Urban, it's only because the buck stops at him and I got really frustrated with the team over the last few years due to hiring decisions/stubborness on his part. 

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DrSpaceman's picture

The team looked better last year under Day's interim tenure than Meyer's.

I think you have to consider the competition that Day was against compared to Meyer here, though. And the defense giving up 31 points to Oregon State left a pretty sour taste in my mouth.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

The defense wasnt Ryan Days fault last year.

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DrSpaceman's picture

I don't disagree with that but in terms of the post he said the team looked better with Day as the interim HC - so you have to take the entire team into account for a fair comparison. Day was in charge of the defense in an interim capacity for those three games.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I dont blame Day for the 2018 defense simply because it wasn't Day who caused Greg Schiano to lose the Tennessee job and unexpectedly come back which in turn pissed off Alex Grinch to the point that he just phoned in the safeties. Day didnt retain Bill "Linebacker Killer" Davis either. That was all on Urban and it was all Urban deciding to do nothing to fix it.

Now if the D stinks again this year, yes, we can easily blame Day because he was the one who rebuilt the D staff. But I did notice the kids seemed to be having more fun with Day in Weeks 1-3 last year and they did seem to play a little looser. When Urban came back and started having his headaches that permeated through the team. You could see it. 

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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kmp10's picture

Church, SL, church...

It's so clear to me why the college football community dislikes Meyer, and those aren't my words, rather Meyer was interviewed on ESPN in the latter half of his time at OSU and the interviewer asked Meyer for his thoughts on why he (Meyer) was generally disliked by his peers. Meyer smiled and said that he was surprised he was considered to be disliked and really had no idea why that would be the case. Meyer, to me, is the personification of disingenuous. On top of that, for someone who's clearly bright, he's made decisions that are nothing short of stunningly dumb... hiring Zach Smith to begin with, retaining Smith after MULTIPLE reasons to let him go, hiring buddies (Davis), making poor hiring choices that resulted in poor fits on staff (Grinch), allowing a twit like Courtney Smith to bring the program to its knees (speechless), putting Earle Bruce and his grandson above the program, repeatedly retiring (three retirements in a little more than a decade) and repeatedly citing health issues as the reason for those retirements, having one foot out the door from the moment he arrives on any campus, incessantly talking about the intense pressure and the stress of college football (night games on the road, pink contract, wife who won't shut up about inevitable retirement within ten years, recruiting pressures for all coaches, et al)... all while Nick Saban GRINDS away. Meyer is GREAT, and I don't throw that word around like many do, but he's truly a great winner in college football. One of the best ever. He's also seemingly an anxiety-ridden, mentally fragile taskmaster who LOVES hokey 'life coaches' like Tim Kight and who speaks in mnemonics (E+R=O, 4 to 6, A to B, et al). I'm sad to see Meyer leave because I want to win and he's a guaranteed winner, but he's so annoyingly whiney, making certain everyone listening knows how difficult his job is, and so endlessly phony that his personality, for me, won't be missed at all. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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stxbuck's picture

Boom with the truth bomb!

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yankeescum's picture

This is more of a confession than an opinion, but when I was in seventh grade, I trolled my dad with a michigan, and a Notre Dame shirt on two separate occasions.

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DrunkenBuckeye's picture

Rashod Berry is one of the best players on the team.  

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SleepyLeviathan's picture

I actually agree with this. 

Berry >> Farrell IMO. Softer hands, better athlete, good blocker. Farrell seems more comfortable with his hand down, but Berry is a far bigger threat in the passing game.  

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WesBranscum's picture

Good blocker, bwahahahaha

WesBranscum

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stxbuck's picture

Agreed-Rashod will make some coin in the NFL.

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Swaggy's picture

-Seeing middle aged men from our fan base wearing the jerseys of 18-22 year olds on game days makes me cringe.  That shit is creepy. 

-Greg Schiano is a mediocre coach who single handedly destroyed the defense last year.  His former Buccaneers players hated his guts and he got way too much clout for winning 11 games at Rutgers in 2006.  

-Urban lost his killer instinct the last 2 years at Ohio State.  When he didn’t politic for Ohio State to get in the playoff in 2017 and 2018 and watching him trot out a one legged JT in the 2017 BTCG solidified this theory. 

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stxbuck's picture

Not a football opinion, but a hoops one.......

Shannon Scott was just as elite of a defender as Aaron Craft (and just as lousy of a shooter), but never got the love from the fanbase b/c he didn't look like most of the fans in the stands or come from the same background (son of a UNC hoops legend from Atlanta in Scott's case)..............

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Laserboy23's picture

1. When Bill Conley was let go, the talent level really dropped off for about 7 years or so. 

2. Jim Tressel massively squandered the talent and coaching that was left by Cooper. NFL draft picks/talent from 01-05 was spectacular. 02/03/05 should have been BCS championships.

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stxbuck's picture

If Mo Clarrett keeps his nose clean, tOSU wins the NC in 03'. 02' WAS a BCS NC......................................

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High St Heismans's picture

John Cooper massively squandered opportunities presented by coaching one of the top Blue Blood Programs of all time.Bill Conley was the ace recruiter for the program when Cooper arrived

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I think everyone will say that.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

This will be fun:

If Troy Smith hadn't won the Heisman (and showed up to the BCS Championship game fat and hungover) and Ted Ginn hadn't been injured after returning the opening kick, we win the 2006 National Championship.

Between 1:30 and 2:30 is the best kickoff time.

I liked Urban while he was here but strongly opposed the hire, and now I'm not that sad he's gone.  

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dschuetz11's picture

OSU would have won the Natty last year if Bosa stayed healthy and they played the rest of the league the way they played Michigan!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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WesBranscum's picture

Buckeyes lose to ttun in 2015 if they beat MSU.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I dont know man, that TTUN team was really really weak.

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Bucks's picture

Not complaining per se, more a moment of admitting I'm middle aged & there is a younger generation that I want to tell "When I was your age:"

The end up the year matchup almost always sucked. It was approached with hope & no confidence, even when we had the better teams.

The common result was, welp ... thanks for ruining the season or a potentially natty.

Soooooo, when someone tells me how they are tired of the rivalry being dead & wish it was more competitive... I very much want to tell them (in good natured humor mostly) - Go fold your desire 5 ways & shove it.

The balance will return when it does and we'll check that desire when they ruin a playoff run or heck, do it consecutively.

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Chigusa's picture

James Laurinaitis was a little overrated at tOSU in my opinion. After watching AJ Hawk dominate for consecutive years my eye test didn't permit the recognition as one of the most decorated OSU players ever. I thought Little Animal was good, but not Hawk, Speilman level (admittedly Chris was before my time as I was born in 85, but watched the tapes)

I get annoyed by football only fans, especially with a basketball rich tradition such as Ohio State's and Ohio basketball in general.

I root for Michigan and the rest of the Big Ten versus non conference opponents...mainly in the big games. It was both shocking and funny when Michigan lost to App State.

Fox Sports broadcasts scream second rate in my opinion (with the exception of Gus Johnson). We love to hate the evil empire but ESPN/Disney has it down.

I may be the only person who is just indifferent about Kirk Herbstreit. He's a fixture in college football, cool..but not that important to be a topic of discussion. That's Buckeye fandom obsession i know.

It took a historical loss to Northwestern for The Senator to start an eventual Heisman winning QB, yikes! (With that said I liked both Smith & Zwick and though Justin was under a lot of pressure)

12 Gauge said it best, some players are not really there for school..deal with it. A lot of us fanatics don't REALLY care either when it comes down to it. Big time college football is about wins and losses.

Furthermore, a lot of fans really don't care about these young men, aside from the fact that they don the scarlet & gray. Especially if a player has the audacity to rock the boat and say something controversial. I think there is a big time disconnect between a portion of the fan base and the actual players in the locker room, especially when societal issues come up. (Light example, fans jumping on Zeke for calling out the staff post MSU 2015 - imo Zeke had earned the right to speak up. I just don't like the 'shut up and play' or 'know your place' sentiment from fans..we know what that's about)

The fans care more about OSU football than even the players in many instances, the players know this and while I wish it was about playing out your eligibility like a Hawk, Craft, Mike Doss, I don't blame players for cashing out to the pros ASAP.

I think tOSU has missed the boat on playing a select group of players both ways. Malik Hooker has WR hands at the safety position. Dude had shake and field awareness. Let your athletes go to work and throw him the ball a few times. Especially with a 2016 offense that wasn't as explosive as we wanted it to be. Rashod Berry is one of the better athletes on the team, if you're weaker at DE give him a few snaps and let play TE if he can handle it. Jabril Peppers wasn't super unique they had the willingness to play him both ways.

I doubt I will see another three game run like Wisconsin, Alabama, Oregon in my lifetime. Shout out to Zeke, the slobs, cantguardMike, Chris Ash, ect..

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I think the reason OSU played so tight, didnt look like it was having fun, and made so many mistakes since 2014 was because of Urban. His CEO mentality and all his personal issues permeated throughout the team and you could see it. All the penalties, the Iowa and Purdue debacles, etc. I am reserving hope for Ryan Day putting a relaxed team on the field who has fun beating the shit out of people, and more importantly, doesn't fuck up as much.

I also won't EVER miss Urban's baggage either. Grew tired of turning on the TV and seeing OSU get dragged through the mud because of Urban or ZS and his idiot ex wife. I wish I could go back in time and slap Urban in the head when he hired his 2012 staff and included that manchild on it. 

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mizzer's picture

Ezekiel Elliott, a great football player, is a schmuck of a person.  I wouldn't want either of my daughters anywhere near him.

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JBucks88's picture

Coach Cooper started the rebuild for Ohio State, he just didn't finish the job on the last Saturday in November, Tressel finished what Cooper started(Thank God)

Cardale shouldn't have been benched in 15', he won every game he started and had to struggle with bad play calling (looking at you Warriner)

As sucessful as Urban was in his glorious 7 years here, I expected more than 1 NC and 2 playoff appearances in his tenure. Only 9 losses in 7 years is pretty damn awesome even though he technically didn't underachieve here, it still feels like he did with only 1 Natty with all the talent we had

I'm glad we got Justin Fields and he is better, I was looking forward to see how Martell would do as the starter. IMO he was a pretty good QB

TTUN might finally get the job done this year. They have to win 1 eventually right? (I'm praying TTUN doesn't win another game in this rivalry ever again)

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dschuetz11's picture

In my opinion, OSU values the Michigan game so highly that they overlook other teams!

They always seem to have a sneaky loss each season because of this!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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High St Heismans's picture

Cooper didn't rebuild squat he didn't even maintain.When he finally got shoved out the door after 13 yrs - years late I might add we had the same amount of National Titles as when he arrived.And 10 more losses to Michigan - pathetic

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JBucks88's picture

Cooper brought us back to national prominence, we were average under Bruce tenure, Cooper increased the talent by the mid-late 90s. He didn't win any National titles but we were close enough plenty of times, the 97 season for sure, we would of have a couple if wasnt for the awful record against TTUN in his tenure, we were closer to national titles under Cooper then we were ever with Bruce, Tressel finished what Cooper started as we finally got those long awaited W's over TTUN

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dschuetz11's picture

Well, this will earn people’s ire, but there’s a purpose here!

People want GREAT rivalry games and there is pressure to provide high-quality football!

Nebraska-Oklahoma begs reinstatement!

OSU-Notre Dame would be GREAT!

OSU-West Virginia!

OSU-Louisville!

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buckeye1976's picture
  • Clarett was slow and was grossly overrated. He had decent runs but he was no Beanie or Elliott. 
  • the 2002 team got very fortunate, but overrated. People keep pointing to them beating Miami, but it took 5 turnovers to beat them and we barely won as is. 
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dschuetz11's picture

Clarett saved the game—No Clarett, no National Championship!

Had he not had that insurance fraud thing where he reported things missing so he could get $$$, he would have continued to be a superstar!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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stxbuck's picture

The 02’ team had the best tOSU defense ever-they literally beat that NC game out of Miami. Who cares if the game was a nail biter-this isn’t figure skating-the judges scores don’t decide it. Greatness in football isn’t just about 50 points and 600 yards of offense a game.

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GoBuckswin's picture

Remember Clarett only played one year as a true freshman...no telling what he would have done if he could have stayed on the field after that. People have forgotten that female adjunct prof. that blabbed to the NY Times about Clarett's grades near the end of his freshman year against all university rules. You are not allowed to go public with a student's academics. That is a private matter. That is what got all the bad times for Clarett really started and she got off scott free and went to some other school to teach. What she did was awful. 

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SteveLardner's picture

Now that this thread has a bunch of popular unpopular takes, let's address those (Spoiler alert - this might be unpopular to some).

1. Crapping on school traditions is pointless. These are what makes the school unique. If you hate the song, the band, the chants, etc. deal with it because they aren't going away.

2. Yeah there are some OSU fans that are annoying and go too far sometimes but have you ever been in a bar with Michigan or Penn State fans? I'm guessing you haven't. Outside of fans from crappy teams, EVERY fanbase has them and they all go too far. It's like complaining that the sun comes up every morning.

3. Herbie was insufferable during the JT years. To say otherwise is just being his personal homer.  He said many things he didn't need to and just fanned the flames of OSU hate. 

4. To act like ESPN didn't go out of their way to hate on OSU during the Mark May (and many others) era is plain ignorance. Herbie biting his tongue was unnecessary and weak.

5. Instead of saying "I don't like scrappy receivers" just be a man and say I like my receivers to be black. After all, everyone knows when the words "scrappy," ""heart" "grinder" etc. are used we know you mean white receivers. After all, everyone knows that white guys can't be fast or athletic. It wasn't that long ago that black football players weren't supposed to be good quarterbacks. 

6. Standing up for the whole game doesn't make you a better fan. Older folks or ones with leg issues who are just as passionate as you find it difficult to stand up for an entire game.

7. This obsession with declaring a GOAT is completely idiotic. Besides the fact that it is impossible to compare eras, it's even more impossible to add positions into the mix and reach an objective opinion, If you are so certain, please outline the GOAT criteria, I'd love to see it. Don't bother, you can't.

8. It is a fact that JT was screwed over by his own school. Every single college coach would have done the EXACT same thing he did when faced with that situation. And no other school would have self-reported this. None. Notta. Zip. The "Lied to the NCAA" take is complete BS, too since every single cheating college coach signs that paper. And there are so many coaches who cheat it isn't even funny. The fact that Tressel was fired over that situation when far more serious situations have come to light without any consequences is laughable. The list is too long to name.

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dschuetz11's picture

Why doesn’t OSU play rivalry games with Notre Dame, West Virginia, or Louisville?

These would be terrific games!

The patsy games are a joke, sorry!

I don’t like them any way, any where, any time!

So much better when there is a quality opponent!

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

We were supposed to play TCU at home this year but they didnt feel like taking another L. And we have Oregon next year and 2021 and open 2022 with Notre Dame

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