The All-Jim Tressel Team vs. the All-Urban Meyer Team: If Each Coach Built Their Dream Buckeye Teams, Who'd Win?

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BucksinNYC's picture

The Meyer D-line would terrorize Troy Smith, akin to 2007 in Glendale

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Depends on how much we factor In-N-Out Burger on the hypothetical

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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acBuckeye's picture

Exactly. We've seen that movie already. Smith was the best Tressel QB, but for just this game I'd go with Pryor. I'd also have Mo Clarett instead of Beanie.  

I also wonder.... Haskins, for all his greatness, wasn't a QB that fit Meyer's offense. I wonder if Braxton would've been a better fit in this game.

What an incredible game it'd be to watch though.

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buckeyepastor's picture

For all Braxton's athletic ability, it would have been such a sad waste seeing him mis-fire to an open Michael Thomas.  I love Braxton and all that he did for the school.  He was a great leader and ambassador and I will always love how much he gave to the program.  But his accuracy problems, in retrospect, are painful to watch.  What he could do with his legs made up for it.  But I think for this game you'd want a guy that can really utilize the other "All-Meyer" talent at his disposal.

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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BuckeyeinSavannah's picture

I thought the same thing about Clarett too.  I cant imagine keeping him off the team.

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sac3073's picture

Give Meyer Hyde with Zeke
Give Tressel Mo with Beanie
So you can rotate the RBs.
Troy and TP
Haskins and A 100% Healthy Miller
Rotate QBs
Holmes and Ginn
Thomas and Devin Smith

SAC3073

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semperfibuck's picture

Smith won the Heisman... I get it. Pryor was much better and if the Heisman voting was after Troy’s trips to In-and-Out he would not have been in the top 5. Pryor is the most consistently underrated and under-appreciated player in OSU history!  Wasn’t Pryor the MVP in each of the 3 bowl games in which he played. Terrell is a fabulous college QB, and was at least as good a pro QB as Troy.

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JTFor President2016's picture

Pryor was hurt by a couple factors.

1) How it ended. Saying you're staying for your senior year, and then bailing hurt him. 

2) Being so highly touted. As fans, we were coming off the Troy Smith era. An unknown guy who started out as a running back and kick returner. If he could be THAT good at QB, how freaking good could Pryor be? He never showed true separation between him and Troy. 

I do find myself forgetting how good Pryor was when I watch highlights. But when the expectation is Vince Young, it is easy to overlook someone. Additionally, I think we all view 08-11 as down years after making it to back to back title games (Even though we won the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl). It is hard to forget that damn Purdue game. Oh I need to be more specific. The 2009 Purdue game. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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BradHall114's picture

I still remember seeing QB#10 on the kick return depth chart on like NCAA Football 2003 or 2004! LOL Still get chills watching the Ginn-Smith highlights from 2006, probably the OSU team I loved the most and it all ended in tears at the hands of Urban Meyer and I'm still not over it. I imagine an All-Tressel vs All-Urban would probably end in a similar fashion.  The talent is just a whole other level

The band is the best part.

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stxbuck's picture

Pryor didn't have any choice regarding the bailing, he was suspended for the year, and painful as it was, the 09' Purdue game wasn't as awful as the 18' edition................

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JTFor President2016's picture

True. But the '18 Purdue game was in no way due to Haskins. The '09 showing had everything to do with Pryor. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Haskins was a shock. Love Haskins but he sat on the bench for that 3rd and 1 QB run. JT was here for 9 years (sarcasm).

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MuraliPatel's picture

As much as I love Tress, I just can't buy the offense being able to generate enough against Meyer, especially with Señor Tusk anywhere on that staff.

The defense would keep it close for a while, but trading FGs for TDs would end up as a route in the end.

"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."

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MuraliPatel's picture

Oh, and outside of Mangold & Bentey on that Tressel O-Line, nobody would havn an answer for Dre'mont Jones... let alone either Bosa brother.

"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."

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Netbuck's picture

Not arguing that the Bosas would be unstoppable, but that Tressel O-Line did have pretty good success in the NFL.

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stxbuck's picture

Olivea and Stepanovich were solid pro players.

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Netbuck's picture

+1. Rob Sims had 114 starts in an 8 year NFL career. Boone had 86 in 7 years. Not a bad group.

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stxbuck's picture

Totally forgot about Sims-and he might be the reason why Gee Scott is a Buckeye-he helped out Scott's dad when he was going through a rough spot and the family didn't forget.

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Yobuck's picture

Bentley could have been the 2nd best OL ever in OSU history if he wasn't plagued with injuries in both college and NFL, when he was healthy I take him over any interior DL he goes up against..(mangold right there too) imo of course

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denniscolumbus's picture

If I had 1000 upvotes to give, they’d be yours for the “Señor Tusk” comment. +1 indeed!

Class of 2001 - classless since then.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

That is one of the best nicknames I’ve heard for the Walrus!

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WorthyBuck's picture

Troy could at least run.  Haskins would be a sitting duck for Will Smith and co.

I give a clear edge to Tressel’s team.  Seems like a lot of recency bias here.  Also, you left Tressel’s best RB off the list.  And frankly beanie and claret were better over the course of a season that elliot ever was.  

And Haskins over Troy?  Troy won the Heisman, in a Tressel offense.  

I would go more like:

QB—JT

RB—JT

WR—JT

OL—push

DL—push

lB—JT

dB—Push

I see no advantage for Urban’s team.  

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JTFor President2016's picture

Personally I think Meyer's team wins in a similar fashion to the 2006 title game. That Tressel team is good. But the level of pure talent was so much higher with Meyer. Clarett/Wells over Zeke? I know he was great, but at best that is a push for MC/Beanie. I think the O-line, D-line, and DB's are a clear advantage for Meyer. 

I know we all love Tress, but that raw talent has been so much better lately. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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MrRezQ83's picture

I'm with you. Maurice Clarett made all that noise...AS A TRUE FRESHMAN! I think Troy Smith & Dwayne Haskins have comparable arm strength, where Haskins might get the nod in accuracy...but they're not in the same universe when it comes to mobility. Someone said Troy wouldn't have time to throw? Haskins would be even worse! I'll take Tressel's O'-line...those guys, Mangold, Bentley, Sims...they were legendary. Decker & Jones would be turnstyles against Will Smith & Gohlston. Lest we forget, in college, Gohlston was not human.

QB- Tress

RB(Clarett)- Tress

WR- push

OL- Tress (Bentley has an O-line SCHOOL, and Mangold is a guaranteed HOF)

DL- push

LB- Meyer(very close)

DB- push

Tressel in a heart-stopper...Tressel's favorite kinda game

"...because I couldn't go for three..."

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WahooFanChicago's picture

Tell me about how Maurice Clarett > Zeke Elliott??

EzE rushed for > 1,800 yards/season twice, Clarett's best/only was just over 1,200. 

Clarett averaged about 5.5 yards per carry, Zeke was 6.7 per carry.

Zeke was much better catching the ball and was a devastating blocker.  

Clarett was damn good.  EzE was an all-time OSU great.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

I agree. I think it's close though do to the fact mo put those #s up as a true freshman. Zeke didn't emerge till his second season. I would take a clone of either in a second.

Noon games suck

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tbirnbrich's picture

I actually think Decker and Jones would hold up fine against Gholston and Smith. Decker only struggled against Khalil Mack (due to the pure blend of speed, athleticism and strength), Mack is a better player than Smith or Gholston were.

QB: Meyer- Haskins literally just set every single season record we have for passing. He is the best pure QB we have ever had. Troy was amazing in his time and one of my favorite players, but Haskins carried the WORST D we've ever had to 12-1 and a rose bowl win, and threw 70 times for 450 yards and 4 tds in the lone loss. 

RB: Meyer- If Clarrett plays 3 years, then JT, but 1 year of Clarrett or 2 years of Beanie doesn't compare to what Zeke did to win a Natty. 

WR: JT (for now)- I think right now this would go to JT, Ginn and Holmes were flat out ridiculous, and I am only taking what they did in college into my considerations (which hurts Thomas for sure), but it was very close.

OL: Meyer- Very close one. The interior goes to JT, though Meyer's is only multiple Rimington winners. But I think the Tackles for Meyer were far better than JT.

DL: Meyer- The Bosas were the best DL we've had in school history. I have never seen players get as many sacks against double and triple teams as these 2. Nick doesn't get enough credit (sadly because of the lost season), but I think those 2 absolutely work JT's tackles all game long.

LB: Push- so many good LBs haha

DB: Meyer- Very close, but in the era of passing and offenses getting the benefits, Ward, Lattimore, Hooker, Conley and Roby may literally have been the best CBs in school history. Gamble, Doss, Jenkins were great players, but the game was way more run oriented back then, and PI's were frankly different. I would argue that the 2017 team had the top to bottom best D we've ever had and it was wasted because of the terrible offensive play calling (watched the Clemson game a few weeks ago, they held the game for so long while being on the field basically the entire game, such a waste)

I will pound and pound you until you quit

- Woody Hayes

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xrox's picture

I agree with you, and I'll add that Meyer's coaches hurt his team as well. The Vest has guys that can keep up with Devin Smith and the other WRs. UFM can't take the top off the D, and it'd be hard to get his playmakers into space, especially without a mobile QB. I think Herman and UFM overrule Day on a lot of playcalling, and the offense stalls in the red zone like we've seen before.

The Vest and Heacock excelled in that kind of game, and they have the edge in special teams as well.

Gimme the Vest by 2 FGs and running out the clock for 5 minutes at the end of the 4th.

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magruder80's picture

I agree when they put that check mark for QB to Meyers team, I shuddered. While Haskins was really really good last year, Troy Smith won the Heisman. To me that carries a lot of weight to at least give it a push. People are quick to forgot about what Troy did that year he won it.

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BbBnD's picture

Compare stats the year Troy won the heisman and Haskins’ last year. It’s not even remotely close. The comparison is laughable.

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Netbuck's picture

Stats arent the whole story. Troy made so many clutch plays with his legs and the run game was strong so we didnt have to throw every down his last year. Dwayne had amazing stats, but our team was one dimensional.

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magruder80's picture

You cannot compare stats between eras, thats a dangerous game to play. The game when Troy played was run first and Troy Smith was revolutionary in the JT offense where Haskins was a shotgun offense.

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EZE's picture

Recency bias? I smell glory days bias.

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yankeescum's picture

I don't know about that, how is it even close between Vernon Gholston and Nick Bosa?  I understand that Bosa is an uber-talent, but it's like if Gale Sayers played for three games instead of three years.  We would be like  "Gale who?"  Are we basing this exercise off of what someone might have had the potential to do in college?  What we project they would have been had they not been injured?  

And even if Bosa had been healthy, was he really all that much better than Gholston?

Did Jake Long give up a sack to anyone besides Vernon Gholston in his last two years?  And Jake Long was the number one pick in the draft.  Who did Bosa dominate in the Oregon State game?  I have no idea.  But I did watch Gholston have a pretty damn good last two years.  Including more sacks than Joey Bosa had in his best year.  Could Nick have had as many sacks as Gholston his junior year?  Maybe, but he ended up with four.  Bosa had four against a dreadful Oregon State team, an even worse Rutgers team, and at the time, a decent TCU.  Would he have gotten the ten more that he needed to tie Gholston's junior year?  We will never know.  Gholston over Nick Bosa and it ain't close.  And a push with Joey Bosa and Will Smith.  

And Cam Heyward by a mile over any defensive tackle of the Meyer era.  I would take Hankins over any other DT that has come through Ohio State since Tressel left, and so would you if you had seen him play.  Forget about recency bias.  I don't think the D line is a push, its Tressel's in a landslide.  

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keaggyheg's picture

Absolutely.  Defensive tackle play has been the glaring difference between Tressel and Meyer defenses.  Above average is the best we’ve seen from a Meyer defense.  Tressel’s top DT’s were dominant.

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LoufromOSU's picture

That and linebacker play.  While the starting 3 in this hypothetical are very good to great for Meyer, if you got into backups, Tressel hands down.  The guys left off the list are good enough (Bobby C, Cie Grant (who could feasibly be a started in this hypothical game to play the walk out LB), Rolle, Homan, Schlegel)

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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dschuetz11's picture

https://youtu.be/AFmZC--Ef3M

Coach Day has all the answers!

How could one possibly have all the answers?

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

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Moo Strength's picture

The problem is, Meyer's offenses and defenses were built to be beat the kind of defense and offense that Tressel would run.

It's the evolution of football.

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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LoufromOSU's picture

Funny, because Meyer had plenty of trouble with Dantonio, who is a disciple of whom?  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Knite's picture

As much as I love The Vest,  I would have to pick Meyer  to win, as he did in that natty.

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Brah Zhole's picture

Not sure but the ALL JOHN COOPER TEAM would beat both!

Assuming he wasn’t coaching 

gabbagool

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milhouse4588's picture

So, in other words, the 2007 National Championship game on steroids?

Give me Meyer's team in a landslide.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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gobucks96's picture

Got to agree with that defensive talent alone.  The deep threat couldn't materialize, no time to throw.

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MrRezQ83's picture

Neither would Haskins...and his mobility is like a 33/100. I think it comes down to who has the better RB. I know he's not listed...but I'll take Clarett over Zeke.

"...because I couldn't go for three..."

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BUInvent's picture

A lot of people forget that Teddy Ginn got injured on the first play of the game. If that does not happen I think we see a much closer game...

Go Bucks

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milhouse4588's picture

I'll definitely give you a closer game. Teddy was our way of stretching the field and providing a constant point of attention for the D. However, as fast as he is, it's still impossible for him to run 40 yards down field in 1.2 seconds, about the amount of time it took for their D line to get to Troy Smith.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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LoufromOSU's picture

I guess the All-Dabo team beats Meyer's team in a landslide as well.  Great logic.  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Not sure who would win, but I would hypothetically pay a fortune to watch it.

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BuckNutChicago's picture

About to write the same thing. This would be an epic battle.

In fact, let's add in an all-time Saban and all-time Dabo into the mix and see who wins the title.

Go Buckeyes!!!

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gobucks96's picture

Sorry, not a push on the DL for Meyer's team. The Bosa brothers together in each's prime, good lord!

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David Regimbal's picture

It's easy to forget how very, very good Vernon Gholston and Will Smith were, though. 

gobucks96's picture

Point taken, but the lack of time teams had of the recent years with just one Bosa on line... We're talking about 2 top 5 picks.

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milhouse4588's picture

You also need to remember how quickly Haskins was able to get the ball out while also being accurate. Will Smith and Gholston may get into the backfield, but there wouldn't be anything to do there.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Terrific point! 

Fields of Dreams

 

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Max's picture

Wil Allen was a mind reader. Doss didn't lose big games.

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gobucks544's picture

Zeke is also one of the best RB pass blockers ever to come through OSU. He helps protect Haskins.

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WorthyBuck's picture

Will Smith and Gholston were both dominant players, but the biggest difference is Heyward at DT, who was much, much better than either jones or Washington.   

I would wake that JT DL as a whole over the Urban DL based on college abilities/production.  

And people are taking Urban’s LBs?? Hawk and JL are both as good as (or better than) Shazier and Wilhelm is much, much better than Mcmillen.  That is not even close.  Wilhelm was a first team all American, JL won the Butkus, and Hawk was the best of the three.   Lee and Especially Kwon are both a step below those guys.  

I honestly don’t think it is even that close in favor of JT’s team, which did have 3 more seasons to pull from.  

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Patriot4098's picture

Good stuff, but I think I woulda’ gone with Maurice Clarett over Beanie Wells.

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

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David Regimbal's picture

Me reacting to this suggestion:

Patriot4098's picture

So, next, the All-Cooper Team?

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

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aledyard's picture

As long as they don't play Michigan, they will be fine.

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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mittenst8buck's picture

Well basically take the 98 Buckeyes with a few modifications (Eddie at RB and Pace at tackle) and you have a very nasty team.

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LTWilliams's picture

Don't forget Galloway and Glenn at WR with Boston. That offense would be unstoppable in today's game.

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mittenst8buck's picture

Yeah this is true...my years start to blend. I can't believe how much talent went through John Cooper and he damn near always lost to TTUN. And in 98 when he does manage to beat them he lost to MSU.

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gobucks96's picture

Awesome! Aaaand, now I still have to wait a month for real games...... :(

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acBuckeye's picture

I love Beanie, but I don't think he's stiff-arming his way through that D. Clarett flat-out ran harder than Beanie. Give me Mo.

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SilverHaven's picture

Mahalo for the memories, Beanie had one mean stiff-arm!

Do your have a video of Mo C too?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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SilverHaven's picture

Mahalo, Yankee.  What powerful determination combined with surprising speed and moves.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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AC's picture

Agree Patriot, I’d also take Clarett over Wells (no debate in my mind). Wells was really really good at OSU, but Clarett would be considered an all time great if it hadn’t ended the way it did. Clarett’s on field performance has always been overshadowed by him challenging the NFL (failing) and his lengthy list of personal/legal issues. 

emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt 

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Patriot4098's picture

Exactly.  In that era he would have been in the Heisman conversation from kickoff the following season.  In that offense, he would have been THE guy.  He would have broken records at a running back record breaking school.  And when the time came, he would have been the number one RB taken in the draft.

I’m writing this and I’m almost irritated by it.  I’m glad Clarett found his way in life, but when I think about what he left on the table, it kinda bugs me.  Kinda.  

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac

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BuckeyeBrown73's picture

I’m with you.  Wells was a great Buckeye.   It didn’t end as it should have, but Clarett’s short run was legendary.  What could have been... oh man. 

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gobucks2110's picture

Amazing list and there are still A LOT of great football players who didn't make this list. Gonzalez, Hankins, Clarett, Simon just to name a few. Wow

On another note, this reminds me how I was watching the 2005 Michigan and Notre Dame games recently and I remembered just how clutch Troy was. Anytime we needed a play on third down in those games he made it happen.

In my opinion, 2005 stands right there with 2015 in the 'what could've been' category. 

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LoufromOSU's picture

If only there was a playoff that season...yeah, they had 2 heartbreaking losses to top 3 teams, but at the end of the year they were unstoppable.  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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BruhWhat's picture

2014 championship team beats both of them

Anything you want you should have

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Max's picture

And the 2002 Natty trumps all.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Meyer team by 17

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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USArmyBuckeye's picture

It would all come down to (surprise!!!) who could control the LOS. If line play equals out I’d still have to give the edge to the MyerBucks though. 

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AdamK47's picture

I would also have to pick Terrelle Pryor over Troy Smith to help fight off the fast Urban defense

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OhioStGoon's picture

I don't see any way a Tressell coached team even with all those guys scoring 27 points on Urbans squad. Now maybe if you have a healthy Maurice Clarrett it's a little close but other than that it's the same results as the last time Tresss and Urban met which as we all know didn't end to well for OSU..

GO BUCKS

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Capt.OHIO's picture

Maurice Clarett >  Beanie Wells.

Lets not forget: Beanie decide to put the ball on the ground (goal to go) in order to grab his ankle (wasn't touched). 

...and we'll drink to old Ohio til we wobble in our shoes.

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Sims_tOSU's picture

As much as I love me some Troy Smith, I gotta day Pryor would be my starter. This is hard because even with that crazy talent on Tressels team, it’s all about scheme and Meyer already showed he dominates there. 

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LouBuck35's picture

Not sure you can argue putting the Heisman winner on the bench.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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ibuck's picture

Not sure you can argue putting the Heisman winner on the bench.

Not sure winning the Heisman popularity contest makes a QB better. Who said, "The QB is a product of those around him"?

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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GINNandjuice's picture

Smith to Ginn.. the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. 

All Glory is Fleeting

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LouBuck35's picture

As much as I loved Tressel's LB play, the Meyer team would destroy the LBs in pass coverage with Thomas, Campbell and Smith. Mesh and wheel routes forever.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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LoufromOSU's picture

Conversely, I think the power run game of Tressel overruns the lbs in Meyer's defense, just like Derrick Henry was doing in 2014 before Lane Kiffin'd the fighting Sabans (Thankfully).  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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BuckeyeGrove's picture

I think Meyer's OL and DL are both better. Will Smith was a great player, and Gholston was a great pass rusher, but the Bosa's were better than both. Joey was Joey, and f Nick had remained healthy, he's getting 15-20 sacks and winning multiple national awards.

Anyway, they're both great teams and it'd be a fun game. Just think the technical ability and overall talent of Meyer's offense, plus the DL, would be too much for Tressel's team.

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Ole Buckeye's picture

I would go with Tressel's team winning. 

This game already happened - it was the 2002 Nat Championship. 

Tressel teams PLAYED superior defense to Meyer teams. Not arguing better players, but the Tressel defenses were great. 

Tressel wins this game, 31-24

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stuckupnorth's picture

I’m kinda with you. Tressel linebackers were nfl all pros. Animal and hawk were phenomenal college linebackers. Laurinaitis always seemed to force a turnover. Both of them had all pro or pro bowl nfl careers. That 02 national title team is forgotten about sometimes as they weren’t sexy. They were super talented but played a different style. It was definitely a smash mouth defensive led team. To me Lee and McMillian ain’t even in the same game as Hawk and animal. Also as good as Meyer secondary has been at sending all pro to nfl. Jenkins and Gamble both had pro bowl seasons with Jenkins still playing well in league. Tressel WR were pro bowers as well. Ginn still going. I think we tend to overlook Tressel players as we live in the recruiting age of the Internet. Tressel played a different brand of football it didn’t allow for big numbers.

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Triv's picture

While both Hawk and Laurinaitis were All Americans in college, neither ever made a pro bowl, let alone had an all pro season in the NFL. 

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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stuckupnorth's picture

I stand corrected looked at something wrong

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LoufromOSU's picture

True, but both retired as all-time tackle leaders for their main respective teams.  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Ole Buckeye's picture

It's just amazing to realize that everyone that started on D in that 2002 NC game played in the NFL. And the first sub into the game was AJ Hawk, who played a little pro ball, too. 

Also forgot to mention that team had the all time leading OSU points scorer, that's all.  Nuuuuuuuuuuuge!

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esap153's picture

Hate to disagree, but your right in that this game did happen, but it wasn't in '02 (which season was dominated by players in large part recruited by Coop) - it was in '06.
No way Tressel's team puts up more than 14 points with Jim Bollman's offense against a defense that has far better players than Tressel recruited. Tressel occasionally hit with some very talented players, but nowhere near as many as Urban

Seattle Buckeye, Green Tony

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RollRedRoll's picture

Well in fairness, Meyer won a national title with a lot of players recruited by Tressel. There were many excellent players recruited by JT, maybe not as many as Meyer but I am not sure how the numbers break out. 

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CantonBuckeyes12's picture

That was a crazy back and forth game though. Went into double OT. Could’ve gone either way. (One of my favorite childhood memories is that game btw) but we saw Urban v. Tressel in ‘07 and it wasn’t pretty. 

We will fight to the end for OH-IO!

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BPOSU's picture

Quarterback: Push 

RB: Meyer 

WR/TETressel; Michael Thomas is the best receiver on these teams, but I like Ginn, Holmes, and Jenkins combo better. 

OL: Push

DL: Meyer 

LB: Tressel. Love Shazier and Kwan, but Hawk and Laurinaitis have trees in the grove... 

DB: Meyer 

ST: Tressel 

Despite being even in position categories, Meyers team wins by two scores thanks to the pressure that D-line could put on Troy and having Ward and Lattimore on islands on the outside (sounds a lot like how Meyer won in ‘07)

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SharkBuck's picture

Agree 100% with your evaluation of position strength, and likely outcome.  Though my Tressel team would start Pryor and Clarrett, but I would still get to your position evaluations.

Sharkbuck

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Zacfannin's picture

I even mentioned depth. Meyer has Treseel beat there too. We're purely looking at starters, not the guys who could have started anywhere else the last 8yrs.

As long as we beat scUM.

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bd2999's picture

The Tressel defense would be pretty good but I imagine that two Bosa's on one line would be crazy. Overall it is hard to go against the Meyer team, except for special teams.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

One thing though.. I can still remember the High Flying, Jim Kelly led , Buffalo Bills offenses and how powerful they were back in the day.. yet they never won a single Super Bowl.  They faced the Giants in one, in which, N.Y. set a then all-time record in time of possession.  Tressel’s teams have, well, Jim Tressel.  No way does he not feed Beanie the ball and take the air out of it.  Opportunities would be few and far between for Myer’s squad.  That’s why I’m not so sure I’m on board with simply declaring his the best.

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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LWiegand91's picture

Like he did in the 2007 NC game against LSU? 

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

No.  At least not exactly like that..  Lol

i mean, he still has some pretty great receivers to choose from.  But he was definitely a masterful play caller when he was on his game.

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I have to say the DL advantage would probably go to Meyer, here's why: the type of player Meyer recruited, and his DL coach would be Larry Johnson. I think the Bosa brothers represent a type of edge rusher that the Tressel OL never would've been able to get used too.

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jrich612's picture

There's no way it's a push on the DL, and that's no disrespect to the Tressel team. Team Meyer wins by 3 touchdowns

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keaggyheg's picture

Who are Meyer’s defensive tackles, again?

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

I'll take the Heisman winning QB 

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kmp10's picture

You forgot the G.O.A.T.s team... Woody's squad:

QB... Schlichter

RB... Griffin

FB... Johnson/Henson

WR... Bashnagel

WR...Donley

TE...Pagac

OL...Hicks

OL... Parker

OL...Ward

OL...Foley

OL...Van Horn

DL... Brudzinski

DL...Marshall

DL... Stillwagon

DL...DeCree

LB...Cousineau

LB...Gradishar

LB...Kelley

CB... Colzie

CB...Griffin

S... Fox/Sensibaugh

S... Tatum

Punter/kicker... Skladany (AKA 'Beer can,' because he was nonreturnable)

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

And then there were Woody's teams...Beat me to it....Pretty good list, Kmp10.

Colzie or Hop Cassady as a returner.  Maybe Bob Ferguson as FB.  Jim Marshall over DeCree?  Hell, you can get a second team on both sides of the ball made up of All Americans.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Edit:  Jim Houston (not Marshall) versus Van Decree.

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brutus360's picture

Good God! I had to weigh in now. This is a great topic, and both coaches have elite talent to pick from. But, KMP, adding that Woody team adds even more excitement. Honestly, I picked Meyer in a close one, but I too go Clarrett, and give Tress the LB edge. And given the way Meyer destroyed us when he was at Florida. That Woody team is as stacked as it gets. Now that would be some smack you in the mouth defense. Who are his assistant coaches? Some good ones to pick from for sure.

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aledyard's picture

I would take the '02 Tressel team over the best Meyer had to offer.  That is by far the best OSU team I have ever had the pleasure to watch and beat arguably one of the most talented teams in the history of college football.  

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Dstacify's picture

The 2002 season is storybook and that team was one of the greatest underdog stories in CFB history IMO but I don't even think that was Tressel's most talented team. They were great on defense obviously but outside of Clarett and Jenkins they didn't have many elite players on offense that season and the offensive line was bad. That team to me classifies as one of the most overachieving OSU teams I've ever scene (which is honestly what I love so much about them). I think Tressel's 2005 squad was his most talented group (but that season was unfortunately derailed by Troy Smith struggling in the first half of the year).

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TugboatSammy's picture

Smith only struggled because of the suspension and Tressel giving Zwick undue opportunity, repeatedly.  The management of the Texas game ranks worse than the collapse against MSU in 1998.  Doubt I’ll ever get over that.  2005 was Tressel’s best team by a mile.  

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Dstacify's picture

IIRC Smith came back from his suspension somewhat out of shape and not playing at the level he played at against scUM the year prior. That was a big reason why Zwick reentered the QB competition.

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Dstacify's picture

Also in regards to the Texas game in 2005 while I wasn't a fan of the QB platoon Tress used by any means I don't fault Zwick for that loss (Tressel maybe more so). A lot changes in that game just looking back at it if Ryan Hamby just catches that damn TD from Zwick (OSU fans sending the poor guy hate mail was obviously going too far but that play still frustrated me to no end).

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CantonBuckeyes12's picture

They wouldn’t be able to score on Meyer’s best team. Krenzel was as gutsy as they come, but he wasn’t an elite QB. Haskins with Micheal Thomas, Devin Smith, and Zeke would be able to score enough points against a very good D to get the W. Could be like a 28-17 type game IMO. 

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Jahbuck's picture

I would kill to see this all-Meyer team play together, every position group is stacked.

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Mostly Gray's picture

I do not know who would win but I am sure who loses, TTUN!  Tressel 9-1 + Meyer 7-0 = 16-1 overall record.  

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

THIS RIGHT HERE!

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Tressel Linebackers: 6 time First Team All Americans

Meyer Linebackers: 0........yep, let's give Meyer's LBs the nod

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minnbuck's picture

I agree - I like Meyer's team overall, but I'd give the nod to Tressel's linebackers.  It's at least a push.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Nutinpa's picture

I couldn't agree more.   The idea of saying Meyer's LBs were better than Tressel's was laughable to me.  

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gobuckscm's picture

Agree also.  This was the most glaring mistake on the matchups.  Tressel's LBs were awesome.

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Triv's picture

Mike Thomas is the best WR of the group, but in no way shape or form is Thomas/Smith/Campbell a push with Jenkins/Ginn/Holmes. That’s 3 first round picks and a Super Bowl MVP.

That being said, Meyer’s squad still wins by 10 points. 

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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Dstacify's picture

Meyer's teams were more talented no question but they were also much more prone to meltdowns than Tressel's teams were (Tressel was unflappable and cool in the face of pressure whereas Meyer had a tendency to get wound overly tight sometimes which would lead to debacles like Iowa and Purdue). That being said Meyer's most talented team (IMO 2014 or 2015 squads) beats Tressel's most talented team (probably the 2005 or 2006 squad) 9 times out of 10. On top of that Meyer for the most part always had a top notch coaching staff around him when he was here (with a few bad apples along the way). Tressel meanwhile had Jim Bollman as OC and was stubbornly committed to him for some reason.

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Sanantonefan's picture

the result was a three-and-a-half hour horror movie we will not revisit today

Good call...

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Stinson's picture

Urban's team would win, but I felt feelings reading through that Tressel defense/special teams roster. 

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rkylet83's picture

Brian Rolle was no joke.  In 2009, him and Ross Homan in my opinion performed better than Laurinaitis and Freeman did in 2008.  

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Dstacify's picture

I loved Brian Rolle. I was skeptical about him as a starting LB at first because he was a little undersized for the position but he greatly surprised me. That was one area where Tressel had Meyer beat, the LB position (which I believe was coached by Fickell for the majority of Tressel's run). Ryan Shazier was probably the best LB we've seen play under Meyer and he wasn't even recruited by Meyer originally. That being said no LB group in recent memory has been more impressive than the trio of Hawk, Carpenter, and Schlegel from 2004-2005. That group was ferocious and offenses feared playing against them for good reason.

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Nutinpa's picture

Agree.  Word.  For.   Word.

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rockyincbus's picture

Absolutely right on with all of this.

You've got barbecue back there?

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sigzeta's picture

The immediate knee jerk reaction is that Meyer’s offense is stacked and would kill it, but then you go back to the first couple of paragraphs and remember that Dantonio is the defensive coordinator. The MSU teams during the Meyer years always were tough battles. Haskins as the quarterback has the offense as one dimensional. I think this game is a lot closer and Tressel doesn’t air it out but has Wells pounding the middle to neutralize the Bosas. 

I think Trsssel wins this with Tresselball and Mark Dantonio. 

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RollRedRoll's picture

You beat me to SigZeta! Seems there is a lot of recency  bias here, I will take Dantonio to slow down and frustrate the Meyer offense. The Vest has the better kicker and that’s what wins it on a walk off 43 yarder. Final score 15-14. 

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Triv's picture

With Zeke behind the OL there ain’t a damn thing one dimensional about that offense, QB run be damned lol.

Zeke would run for 2k with me at QB in a full season behind that offensive line.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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cledaybuck's picture

I realize you didn't do whole coaching staffs, but if Fickell is coaching the LB's for Tressel and Davis is no where to be seen, who is coaching Meyer's LB's?  No one?  Is that an improvement over Davis?

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David Regimbal's picture

Yes, that is an improvement. Vrabel would cover LBs, however.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Come on... Braxton Miller should be the starting QB for the Fighting Meyers... Dwayne had one great year where Braxton was just ankle breaking awesome for several.  

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Braxton was recruited by Tress

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kmp10's picture

... and Miller was an athlete, incredible though he was, playing the quarterback position. Smith was much more of a QB than Miller, and he was quite an athlete to boot. What's more, Smith, imo, was infinitely tougher between the ears than was Miller, who was also injury prone. I'll take Troy Smith, a true winner, every single Saturday over Miller. 

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Troy was an athlete recruit and Braxton was a DT QB. While I can’t agree with you on the QB aspect, they both were tremendous players. 

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logamaniac's picture

Ginn Sr convinced tress to offer Troy as a qb.  The whole cb thing is an overblown myth.  

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kmp10's picture

I don't care how the services defined Smith as a high school recruit. Having said that, he was a "dual-threat quarterback" per his Rivals and 247 profiles. Aside from all of that, I'm basing my opinion on what he did at Ohio State... and he was a better quarterback than mIller, imo. 

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Dstacify's picture

Troy also wasn't a highly touted recruit coming out of Glenville at the time when he was recruited (I remember Zwick being more highly touted as a QB at the time both he and Troy were recruited). Braxton OTOH was freakin' beast at Wayne HS and an incredibly highly touted prospect coming in. IIRC Troy needed a lot of development to get to where he was in 2006 at his peak (credit Mike Daniels, our QBs Coach at the time for all the work he put in with Troy).

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Poisonous Nuts's picture

As an older fellah my heart says All-Vest, but my head says all-Urban. Statistics be damned, I just felt the defense was always a lock with Tressel and the Meyer teams was always a bit too much “hold your breath” for me.

Amd what no Bollman Dave love?!

17 pt win for all Meyer is about spot on to me.

Also, I read Crish Ash in a Sean Connery voice.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

On the Meyer team, I'd have to put Braxton Miller at QB and Curtis Samuel at the H-B instead of Campbell especially w/ Meyer's playbook

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droessl's picture

I'll take the Meyer team and for shiggles, by a score of 41-14. 

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andretolstoy's picture

This article hurt my feelings. 

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FalcotoyourMartel's picture

So...Barrett comes in for the red zone? *Ducks*

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buckeyepastor's picture

Was thinking about the LBs.  In their time, I think Hawk and Laurinaitis were far more ferocious even than Shazier.   But the unfortunate thing about this comparison is that the style of play itself has changed so much.  I mean, Tressel's style of offense and defense, what top 20 teams even have rosters that look like that anymore?  Maybe Stanford, Wisconsin?  And those two teams are always "close but no cigar" because they tend to get humbled by teams with more innovative styles of play.   I mean, in his time, Hawk was so so dominant.  But back then there was no room for a "Darron Lee" type at LB and now you can't do much without one.  

I think the edge also goes to Meyer's team in that his coaching style, his "foot on the throat" way of going after teams, while also being able when needed to play field position because for all our talk about Tressel's love of the punt, Cam Johnston would give such a huge advantage if it did turn into a field position game.  I just think Meyer, for one game and all the marbles, so much more effective than Tressel. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

 I mean, Tressel's style of offense and defense, what top 20 teams even have rosters that look like that anymore? 

Besides Alabama?

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Nutinpa's picture

What foot on the throat, pastor?   Meyer had just as much of a penchant for going into a four-corner stall to protect a lead toward the end of his tenure as Tressel ever did.   We look at the B1G championship game 59-0 vs. WI and think that was typical of Meyer standing on another team's throat.  In reality, it was an aberration that was simply needed on that particular night. 

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buckeyepastor's picture

It was an aberration in that he won by 59 against a very good team.  Foot on the throat?  How many scoring drives under Meyer were completed because he converted a fourth down where JT would have punted or tried a long FG?  You think JT hands the ball to Zeke in final minutes against Oregon?  You think JT has OSU flinging the ball all over the field, up by 30 against TTUN?  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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osugreg04's picture

I'm not going to get sucked into this click bait I'm not going to get sucked into this click bait I'm not going to get sucked into this click bait I'm not going to get sucked into this click bait

HOW DOES BRAXTON NOT MAKE EITHER SQUAD???

Dang it

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droessl's picture

Which QB do you take him over? The one who won the Heisman or the one who broke almost every record? 

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TheButcher's picture

I don't know who would win but as far as "watchability", I would give the nod to Meyer by a landslide.

Not sure how many cans were thrown at the TV during the Tressel era.

Thebutcher IV

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Nutinpa's picture

There were plenty thrown in the Meyer era too.   You must have learned to be more patient. 

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Ole Buckeye's picture

As much as JT drove us crazy "running the Dave", I grew really tired of the horizontal pass to the sidelines that Meyer loves. 

I don't know the stats as to whether it was effective or not.  Just seemed that many times it went for no gain, or it lost yardage, or it gained some yards but then one of our WRs was called for holding. 

you go back and watch a Tressel/Krenzel game now, and one of the things you will notice is how LITTLE the QB ran.  I mean, we all remember that Krenzel was the leading rusher in the NC game, but most games, he ran very few planned runs. 

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buckeye42's picture

This would be awesome to watch. As a buckeye fan I could enjoy the outcome of every play :) 

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Dillon G's picture

Meyer’s offensive lines have been much better. 

#walkaway

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

I agree with Haskins in a slight edge. But I didn’t realize how badly the UF game hit Smith’s rep. The guy was a Wolverine killer, against good UM teams. He’s amazingly undervalued by fans. 

Tressel’s OL would struggle against Meyer’s DL. That looks like the defining matchup to me.

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Kalmar's picture

It would depend on who calls plays.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Exactly...I'd leave Herman at home if Haskins is the QB and give the keys to Day.  

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Gametime's picture

Loved seeing what Haskins did last season, but I'm still taking prime J.T. pre-injury and pre-EdWar OC on Meyer's Team, and especially with Tom Herman and Ryan Day as Co-OCs.

He was perfect for Meyer's offense. Pretty much unstoppable in short yardage and in the red zone reads... I mean we really underestimate the impact having 3 OCs, 3 QBCs, and rehab took on him and I think in some ways he takes the brunt of the Clemson loss too much, when their offensive gameplan was trash.

I still think we handily win the 14 Natty with a healthy J.T. (the dude who showed out in East Lansing? Hell yes) and I think if he starts all of 15, we repeat.

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Son of Sevenless's picture

I would probably  put in Curtis Samuel over Campbell. A true H back that could be used in running game or passing game. Also, it is kind of amazing that guys like Braxton and Jalin would probably not make the Meyer team.

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DroneBuck's picture

Thing that stands out to me is Urban had better individual players on defense, but Tressel fielded better units. It’s a tough call given the high-end potential of some of Urban’s players, vs the cohesion and synchronicity of Tressel’s silver bullets. 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I voted Meyer in a close one, but tbh I see this game being decided by 14-17 points, not quite a blowout, but a convincing win. 

Haskins, Elliot, and Thomas is scary, while two Bosas on the same line is going to be a nightmare for even the best O-line. 

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andretolstoy's picture

I hate to say it, but where Meyer really has the edge over Tressel's teams is strength and conditioning. 

Other than that, where Meyer has the slight edge with 5 star players, Tressel's teams are able to balance off, believe it or not, with the likes of the Dave Play and special teams. It frustrated me to death when it was happening, but that type of ball takes the game away from the players that tend to control the game and forces it into the system. I find that Meyer spoke a lot about system, his teams relied mostly on personnel, while Tressel talk a lot about "the kids" but his style of play put system over player.

Regarding Special teams, Meyer had better punters, but Tressel had better cover, kickers and returns. This right here can sway the game tremendously.

In the end, the best way to figure this out would be to play more than one game. I think, if Coach Mick was allowed to prepare both squads in the off season, out of 10 games, Meyer's squad wins 6 maybe 7 but in OT or by a touchdown or less.  

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Nutinpa's picture

I hate to say it, but where Meyer really has the edge over Tressel's teams is strength and conditioning. 

Not sure where you come up with that, but I'll disagree for shits and grins.  Somewhere the Clemson, Purdue, and Iowa teams are laughing.  

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

I don’t think OSU lost any of those games due to strength and conditioning. Those were poorly schemed, poorly coached games. 

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Nutinpa's picture

Clemson threw us around like ragdolls.....it was sickening to watch.  As for the other two, I agree.......but those teams are still laughing. 

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logamaniac's picture

There was a point in each Clemson game where the team gave up.  That’s not what he’s talking about with strength and conditioning.  

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

I disagree that OSU gave up in the Orange Bowl. That game was there to be won despite a terrible approach to guarding Sammy Watkins.

The playoff game in Glendale was part scheme and part talent. Clemson had an NFL caliber DL. OSU’s OL was not as talented although the game plan certainly didn’t put them in position to succeed.

I actually thought the defense fought valiantly for most of that game as the offense both squandered opportunities and offered no imagination.

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Nutinpa's picture

Fair points, jersey.   I will only nitpick and say that in the Orange Bowl, the team did not give up.  What they did.....was come out flat and mail in the game.  When Clemson smacked them in the first quarter (see OSU defense literally trotting after Tahj Boyd) Meyer shoved his foot up their asses and the team came back.  They just couldn't answer after Philly's muffed punt - game over.  Should have won that game even with Sammy Watkins' heroics.   

As for the Clemson playoff game, that stench still hasn't wore off.....will leave it at that.

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gobucks2110's picture

I would argue that Clemson playoff loss had as much to do with us missing the playoffs in 17 and 18 as any road blowout loss to a middling B1G West team

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Nutinpa's picture

Coming on the heels of Sparty's blowout loss to Bama the year before  --- I agree with you 100 %. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Mainly on the results I’d see in before and after photos of players, especially the shape of the Oline (Tress had good olines but they were more slob than the Slobs. Some of those guys were plain fat) 

Plus, Coach Mick adds an extra element to coaching that I’ve seen other S&C try to mimic but can’t. 

The games that Meyer lost he lost with gusto. S&C may have had something to do with it as Clemson’s S&C isn’t too shabby himself, but there was more to the loss than this. 

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andretolstoy's picture

I think I also understated Meyer's losses. The losses that Meyer had were few, but they were downright unsettling in how much the teams capitulated. I can think of only the USC loss in LA (someone correct me) where I witness such capitulation for a Tress team. And that was clearly a young and outmatched team. 

On the other hand, Tressel knew how to lose games he had won or could have won. For example, THE OTHER USC game in Columbus. That was downright frustrating. And the Illinois game in Columbus because he didn't believe in throwing the replay flag on a TD that Illinois didn't score. 

Overall, I think the guy that said I don't know who would win between the two but SCUM would surely loose gave the best answer.

Also, if we're going on shear talent. I think Coop had both coaches beat with a couple of his teams. However, as great of Coach as Coop was, I just don't think he was AS GOOD as Meyer and Tressel. I just didn't witness the same mental toughness and heart of a lion coming from his system even though I respect some of his players the most today. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Meyer's team has speed and power. Tressel's teams have some strength but mostly only Ted Ginn with the kind of speed needed to compete. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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cledaybuck's picture

Baloney.  There are plenty of fast guys on the Tressel team and I would take Holmes and Gamble against anyone (except for Ginn and maybe Campbell) in then football speed department.  

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I really don't think it's baloney.  Meyer was known for recruiting speed and having Mick make them strong.

And it's not just "skill guy" speed -- it's the linemen and linebackers. 

We saw what Meyer's speed did to Tressel's speed in 2007. 

Meyer's team has DB and LB and DL that are fast and powerful. Tressel's defense wouldn't be able to keep up with the speed and power of the Meyer O for four quarters. And Tressel's Oline would struggle with the speed and power of Meyer's defense. 

Tress' best LBs (Hawk and Laurinitis) struggled with speed when they got to the NFL. They had good but not great careers. 

The BOSA brothers would make life very difficult for the Tress era OTs.

Meyer's teams also have a huge edge in offensive play-calling. I'll take Day or Herman over any Bollman coached team any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I voted the game would be close, still, because we're talking about two awesome eras of Buckeye football. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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stxbuck's picture

It wasn't Meyer's speed that killed Tressel in the Fiesta Bowl, it was the 2 1st round Gator DEs (both recruited by Zook heeheehee) living in the nightmares of an overmatched OL for all eternity.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

That element of speed was the main group for sure. 

And the Bosa brothers (two top 3 NFL first rounders) speed and power would feast more often than not against Tress’ tackles (though they were not slouches). 

Right there is the edge in the game. The 2006 Buckeye offense, with the Heisman trophy winner at QB, put up only 7 points against Meyers fast and powerful DBs...and the Bosas are better than those guys. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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The Braden's picture

That was a fascinating article.   I never thought to compare the two.

How about another?   Are apple and oranges different?  How?   

Discuss.

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Buckeye4life23's picture

Put Braxton in at QB on Meyer's team is my only change, Meyer's team wins by multiple scores. Bookend Bosas would wreak absolute havoc all day.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

people want to talk about the players and that makes sense. But I think the real issue is simply the coaching. I doubt any tressel team could even beat Meyer's Utah teams.

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andretolstoy's picture

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

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stxbuck's picture

Indeed. The 1st Amendment is for both wisdom and insanely stupid hottakes alike.

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Nutinpa's picture

You've got some real selective memory going, but hey, it's a free forum.  Tress must have cut you off in traffic one day in eastern Ohio. 

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Bugsyk's picture

I'm on the Dwayne train, but over the Heisman trophy winner?  That's enough to make that a push for me.  Zeke>Mo>Beanie.  The Tressel Lb squad is better.  Brax and Pryor could break ankles, but they weren't as talented passers as Smith and Dwayne.  The game would come down to who is coaching the defense.  Dantonio or Snyder with Fickell over the LBs and Tressel is neck and neck.  If it's Fickell and Heacock playing the Cooper "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" scheme and Meyer beats them like they stole something.
 

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BuckeyeBoiler's picture

No Bradley Roby?  I like Lattimore and Ward, but I think Roby was better than both in the Meyer era.

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Nutinpa's picture

 Eh.  No.   Not even close.   Ok, close.   But still, no. 

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Dstacify's picture

I liked Bradley Roby but I remember him struggling a fair amount during his final season here. Also Lattimore and Ward have been better than him in the pros so far.

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

Jim Tressel accomplished more with less talent that Urban did with extraordinary talent.

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Zacfannin's picture

Imagine the depth chart for both of these teams. Let's do this again with the full roster side... Meyer takes it in a land slide. The depth at D line wins the game alone.

As long as we beat scUM.

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hdfickel's picture

Troy Smith won the Heisman.  I love Haskins, but an agile and explosive Smith would at worse made the QB a push.  Too many bad memories being placed on Smith from the national championship game.  Advantage to Haskins throwing by a small marginal, Smith much, much better on the ground.  There were none better than a focused and healthy Clarett.  Love Zeke, but Clarett was at times unstoppable.  Again, with Clarett dotting the i, go again with a push.  However, for all the game prep and management Tressel demonstrated, Meyer was the better motivator and in-game adjuster . . . we also saw what happened when they faced each other (Still  mad at Roy Hall for jumping on Ginn's ankle.) so I have to give the victory to Meyer in a close one.  

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Max's picture

1) Cowboy Craig Krenzel and Cardale 3-0 through the playoffs would like to have words.

2) Give me More Clarrett, and Anthony Gonzalez

3) Tressel's team shut down the greatest team ever in Miami, so don't think Urb would score at will.

4) I'm not sure I can bet against two Bosas at once.

5) Which means it comes down to special teams, and nobody beats Tress at special teams. Nuge and Teddy Ballgame returning a punt or two.

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FeedZeke420's picture

Tressel's team wins 31-30

Ginn runs 2 kickoffs back for td's

beanie runs 25-35 times controlling the ball and clock.

Dantonio's defense zeroes in on zeke knowing Haskins wont run unless absolutely necessary.

Special teams from Tressel keep Urbans team pinned deep most of the game, causing conservative play calling and many 3 and outs.

4th quarter game tied at 28

Troy smith is sacked by both Bosa's in the end zone giving Urbans team a 30-28 lead with just over 7 minutes left.

Haskins throws his second INT of the night to Chris Gamble, after being pressured from AJ Hawk.

Nugent kicks the game winning field goal as time expires, completing a 6 minute game ending drive from Troy Smith

Go Bucks!

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yankeescum's picture

This is a college game, not the pros, Jenkins was better than Thomas at Ohio State, and I love Devin Smith, but Teddy Ginn was an all world player, and Santonio Holmes was about ten times better at Ohio State than Parris Campbell, and anyone who actually saw those games knows that is true.  

The D-line absolutely goes to Tressel, I would give a Joey Bosa/Will Smith push, but Vernon Gholston by a mile over Nick Bosa based upon what he did against at Ohio State, I would take him abusing Jake Long over Bosa abusing whoever it was that Oregon State had out there in a heartbeat.  More dominant over his career, and better in bigger games.  And I would take Hankins, and Bennett over Pitcock and Jones, but either way Cameron Heyward over any interior d lineman of the Meyer era, again, not close (and I would take Hankins or Pitcock over Bennett or Jones.)

That brings us to linebackers, I was born in 1980, I understand how anyone who barely remembers what it was like to watch AJ Hawk or Little Animal could pick Shazier and Lee, but that is a push at best, and the same with Wilhelm and McMillan, and personally, I would take Brian Rolle over both, I loved that guy even if he got run over one time by the big fella from Oregon.  Tressel's linebackers in a landslide.

The Will Allen/Kurt Coleman toss up is tough, but I have to go with Coleman.  I was thinking the secondary would be a Meyer affair, but Gamble and Jenkins were pretty amazing, and Doss is in a league of his own, but so is Hooker.  I grew up watching Shawn Springs, and was basically in love with Antoine Winfield, in a barely platonic sense, because he was such a badass (does anyone else remember Winfield Garnett?) but Denzel Ward is the best corner back that I have seen play, his mirroring ability was second to none at any school at any time.  I might give Meyer an edge here, but barely.

Give me Clarett, and call it a push with Elliot.  The play where he stole the ball from Sean Taylor is still the best football play that I have ever seen.

Bentley and Mangold would take Billy Price and Pat Elflein's lunch and eat it in front of them.  By far more dominating than anyone that came through here under Meyer, but give me Jamarco and Decker over Alex Boone in a heartbeat, I would call the offensive line a push, maybe a slight edge to Meyer.  

Overall QB depth goes to Meyer obviously, I mean, holy shit, Miller, Barrett, Cardale!, and Haskins?  What the fuck?  We have been more blessed than we know, but I would put Pryor and Smith up with any two of them.  I would call that a push, we aren't playing four in the game, maybe two (or is the Jackson/Germaine/Barrett/Jones era still to fresh?).

Let's just go ahead and give Meyer the edge at tight end, although Hartsock wasn't so damn bad. 

Special teams to Tressel in a huge, giant, gargantuan landslide.

I have to go with Tressel, Dantonio has a way better D to work with, and has Meyer's number in the big game.  Dave all day with Clarett, and a more explosive wide receiver corps and some timely scrambles by Pryor set up a Nugent kick for the win.  30-28.

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cledaybuck's picture

but Denzel Ward is the best corner back that I have seen play, his mirroring ability was second to none at any school at any time.

Really?  I thought Lattimore was better in coverage.

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yankeescum's picture

I mean, I think Lattimore was fantastic, and I love him coming back from injury and finding astonishing success, but watching Ward face to face with a receiver, mirroring every movement almost before the receiver did was pretty cool to see, and goddamn could he lay a lick on people.  I think that Lattimore was awesome, but in his final year here, I think that Ward was on a level that I haven't seen since (I know, I dread saying it, and I apologize) Charles Woodson, and in his pure coverage ability, I think that I would say that he was even Woodson's equal.

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Nutinpa's picture

Preach!  I like and agree with your perspective and realism here, yankee.  Even if this was the click-baitiest debate I have ever seen in an off season Forum!

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stxbuck's picture

Good to see some love for Brian Rolle-he and Homan could have written a textbook on how to play coverage as LBs in 09'.

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Trebor40's picture

This is a GLORIOUS pair of teams FILLED with players that I have enjoyed watching throughout my recent lifetime! As many on here request the LB group is not even close and I wonder how with all those years of success in the NFL an article would say that it was ANYTHING except Tressel's boys at LB - we also easily forget Just how completely Dantonio has broken our hearts without this fantastic line-up and oh how effective was D-Train against Sparty THIS PAST SEASON? Little Animal was an amazing OUTSIDE LB and we failed to keep him their yet Wilhelm in the middle and AJ on the other gives ALL sorts of problems when covering NFL TE/TB match-ups so I think THEY are the superior athletes in this grouping EVEN if PALER then the ones you picked! Look at the results of Urban vs Dantonio and then think with Jim's people. I understand Troy Smith and would say that what people are also missing talking about the student body Ginn that an injury he suffered scoring ON Meyer's championship squad BY HIS OWN PLAYERS DERAILED! Regarding Beanie over Clarett you my friend completely miss in this HYPOTHETICAL world two things ONE what does the next seasons team do in our M. Clarett does not leave and plays and TWO is the Defense that Clarett who starts over any other in the era faced in that Miami squad was as good compared to SO far in real success as ANYTHING Meyer's men have done. Hell even when Hooker does PICK Troy Maurice just runs over and smacks him like his prison bitch and TAKES it from him like he did a dude who Hooker might NEVER be as accomplished as! 

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jpfbucks01's picture

So a few things about the Tressel squad

1) Nick Mangold never played Guard so thats a cheat, if you stick with either Bentley or Mangold at Center then the guard would probably be Doug Datish who was all BIg10 in 2006

2) Also Tressel almost never ran a 3 wide offense as his base offense, so drop 1 of the Wrs (probably Ginn as much as I hate to say it), and insert a FB like Brandon Joe

3) Lastly I would go with Donte Whitner over Will Allen at safety

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_Patches's picture

Giving Meyer the "edge" on linebackers is absurd.

If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!

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Nutinpa's picture

Tress's Defense would have kept Meyer's team in check but it would be an epic battle in the trenches.  How quickly we've forgotten how good some of those guys were from 2002 to 2010.  I'll take Tressel's team in this click-bait debate any day.  

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ashtabulassassin's picture

How does this reconcile with Meyer's defense smoking tressel in the NC game?

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oldebucke's picture

After reading through these comments I can't help but think it's like asking someone which kid or yours do you like best?

If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.

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Hovenaut's picture

I don't know who takes this one, but the winner takes on the all-Cooper squad.
 

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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Nutinpa's picture

And that winner.....takes on the All-Woody squad!

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rockyincbus's picture

Fun article. One major complaint - giving the LB edge to Meyer is absurd bro. AJ, the Little Animal and Wilhelm have a combined 6 CONSENSUS First Team All American honors to their names.  As college players, these guys were as good as it gets.

You've got barbecue back there?

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_Patches's picture

Tressel's 2nd team of LBs would likely still be better than Urban's 1st

If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!

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LTWilliams's picture

Tressel's 2nd team WRs have an argument against Meyer's first. Especially with a pass heavy team

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I'd almost go Michael Bennett over Washington if we are picking peak performance...his run through the CFP was impressive.  

Sorry, with him next to Jones, and flanked by Bosas, and Smith doesn't get the time.  

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LTWilliams's picture

I'd take Tressel's WRs and LBs over Meyer's. Meyer's The Meyer DLine and Secondary were better (though taking Washington over Bennett is mighty suspect).

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tcm1968's picture

The key to beating Haskins is pressure. His stats dropped WAY OFF when he didn't have a clean pocket. You can't throw a traditional D-Line at him. You got to go rushmen package... put John Simon in there for Pitcock. 

Go Bucks!

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Trebor40's picture

My GOD I was so worked up at my office I could barely articulate on that post! Brilliant click bait, I am stunned by just how much I care about how those teams are respectfully acknowledged that those men represent. 

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logamaniac's picture

It would depend on the mental makeup of the day.  As good as the names on Meyers list would they pull a MSU/Purdue/Iowa and take a dump on the sideline?

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

Disagree on: QB - Tressel (Troy 4 Heisman),  DL Huge check to URBz, Gotta go with DBs to Urbz as well - Doss & Allen do not match up with Malik & Vonn; REcievers would actually go to Tress as well as the LBs - (Matt Wilhelm a relative??) AJ, Animal & Bobby C are better than  Lee & company.

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Chicago Buckeye's picture

At face value I would say Meyer wins however there are a TON of factors that can swing this game in either direction.  Eleven Warriors should do a more detailed roster then we can really debate.  

For Example:  Who is Tressel's D coordinator?  Dantonio or Heacock?  Who is Meyer's D Coordinator?  Fickell or Schiano?  Who is Meyer's O Coordinator?  Warriner/Beck, Herman or Day?

JT under Herman was amazing but a bust under Beck.  JT is not on this list but I would think under Herman he would beat Smith head to head.  

11 W should set the staff, then based from that set the players.  Then we can have a proper comparison.  

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Replace_the_o's picture

One aspect of the game which is not included in this discussion is penalties/discipline.  Tressel's team would be crazy disciplined and probably only have a few penalties.  Whereas Meyer's team would probably have more than a few PI penalties, and probably some Personal fouls spliced in as well...probably on 3rd and long which would keep a drive alive.

If penalties were even, Mayer's team runs away with this by probably 3 touchdowns.  But I think when you factor in Penalties, Tressel would probably keep it respectable...but still lose.

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MDBuckeyes's picture

Yes, the 2007 Tressel coached team that went up against Meyer's Gators were grossly over confident and unprepared.  But I think in the past 15 years, everyone has forgotten what it was like when the 2002 version of the Buckeyes went up against the defending nat'l champs that the prognosticators said had NFL talent at every position. The Hurricanes have been irrelevant ever since that upset.  Other than PSU the past two years, Meyer's teams don't come back and tend to fold when facing too much adversity (see Clemson, Iowa, Purdue).

My takeaway - Tressel's teams had grit and would slug it out with anyone. I'd go with the Tressel-all-time team over Meyer-all-time team in a close one.  

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Tommyknockers's picture

We have already seen the difference between the Vest and UFM.  Don’t think it would be much different, maybe a little closer score.

Always a great day to be a Buckeye!

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SilverHaven's picture

Are we assuming that top receiver and returner Ted Ginn is again injured before one offensive play?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Crumb's picture

I could argue this hypothetical all day long for either side. There is only one thing where one side has an advantage that is clear and decisive and that's with Jim Tressel's offensive lines. Those were the most underachieving players I've ever seen. Full of top ranking recruits coming out of high school but they never significantly improved from their first game to their last. The fact that only one of Tressel's guys was beyond the first half of his tenure is very indicative of that fact. Alex Boone was a five star prospect, and got manhandled every time he faced even slightly superior talent. Not an indictment on Boone, he wasn't coached well at all here at Ohio State. He proved that by the immense improvements he showed when he got on an NFL roster. Just look at the Urban's O-line that blocked for Hyde in 2012 and 2013. They were miserable in 2011. The Bosa's would eat Tressel's line alive. 

In short, Jim Bollman, the Walrus strikes again. Biting the Vest in the butt one last time. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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LessScarletMoreGray's picture

Put MoC in there instead of Beanie but it won't matter much. Team Urban wins 8/10 times only because of Haskins, though I do like a dialed-in Troy Smith. If you replace Haskins with any other Urban QB the series would be a tie. 

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USMC11917's picture

You actually think Meyers Linebackers were better than  Tressells? I’d like to hear your thoughts on this? I can give them props for having better athleticism but I think overall football IQ and production, that has to go to Tressells bunch.

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BeepBeep's picture

I can understand the debate at other positions but HOW HOW HOW can you not take Jt's linebackers?

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mittenst8buck's picture

What would Hartline do? I gotta take a toke and figure this one out...

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Buck4leyef's picture

MoC has to be the RB.   Not even a question in my mind.   And, i take him over Zeke.

QB is a push to me.     You put Troy with Day????    Oh my...     Remember he won the heisman in Tressel-ball times.   I know they opened it up for him but still...     Day (pardon the pun) and night comparison for the offense smith and haskins ran.

Plus, Troy was the complete package.   Troy was as good a thrower as Haskins (or close) and almost as good as runner as Fields is...

Love me some Troy!  ha

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oztintacius's picture

Blocking two Bosa's at the same time? Nah. There's depth as well - that's where OSU's talent level has gotten much, much higher than years past. When the Bosa's aren't chasing you, you have Chase Young and Noah Spence and Sam Hubbard. The 06 team had a walk-on starting cornerback.... Meyer had 3 first rounders on the same field at CB and four when you count Hooker... it's just not even close. Tressel lost Ted Ginn and had no one else with enough speed to back off Florida - Meyer had Campbell & McLaurin & Dixon all as some of the fastest players in the nation last year.

Meyer's team has arguably the best RB, DE (maybe two), WR, CB (maybe two) in the NFL currently.

Ryan Day appears to be continuing if not elevating the recruiting. Clemson and Bama are recruiting out of their minds and OSU is right there with them.

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Fong's picture

I'm doing this all off memory, so I'll gladly take corrections, but I'll give the All-Cooper team a whirl:

QB - Joe Germaine

RB - Eddie

FB - Jamar Martin

TE - Ricky Dudley

WR - Terry Glenn 

WR - David Boston

WR (when they take out the fullback) - Joey Galloway

T - Orlando Pace

T - Korey Stringer

G - Rob Murphy

G - Jason Winrow

C - Eric Gholstin

DT - Dan Wilkinson 

DT - Greg Smith

DE - Mike Vrabel

DE - Matt Finkes

LB - Steve Tovar

LB - Andy Katzenmoyer

LB - Lorenzo Styles

CB - Antonio Winfield

CB - Shawn Springs

S - Chico Nelson

S - Damon Moore

I left off some pretty good players. I think this team could compete with either the Tressel teams or the Meyer teams, so long as neither wore Michigan uniforms for the game. 

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stantmann's picture

Close, I'll update it for you.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

That team may beat both of the teams above. Especially if Walt Harris was calling the plays.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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oztintacius's picture

The all-cooper team might be able to hold up against the double-Bosa.

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LWiegand91's picture

WRs and DBs for Coop

RB - I know I will get blasted for this, but Robert Smith, might take him over Eddie.

QB - i think Hoying would have something to say

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Max's picture

I think on all of these teams you need 2x RB. Eddie is #1, Smith is a solid 1A.

That Pace/Stringer OL is as close to unbeatable as it gets.

Anyone for an all-Earle?  A little before my time...

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

All-Cooper Offense:

Joe Germaine: - 4th Round Draft Pick (101)
Big10 MVP
Big10 Offensive Player Of The Year
All Big10
Team MVP
Team Captain
Ohio State All Century Team

Bobby Hoying: 3 Year Starter - 3rd Round Draft Pick (85)
All Big10
Team Captain
Ohio State All Century Team

Eddie George: 2 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (14)
All American
Heisman Trophy
Doak Walker Award
Maxwell Trophy
Walter Camp Award
Big10 MVP
Big10 Offensive Player Of The Year
All Big10
Team MVP
Team Captain
Ohio State All Century Team
Varsity O Hall Of Fame

Robert Smith: 2 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (21)
Big10 Freshman Of The Year

Jeff Cothran: 2 Year Starter - 3rd Round Draft Pick (66)

David Boston: 3 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (8)
All American
2x All Big10
Ohio State All Century Team

Joey Galloway: 2 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (9)
All Big10
Team Captain
Ohio State All Century Team

Terry Glenn: 1st Round Draft Pick (7)
All American
Biletnikoff Award
All Big10
Ohio State All Century Team

Rickey Dudley: 1st Round Draft Pick (9)
All Big10

Orlando Pace: 3 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick - Number 1 Overall Selection
2x All American
2x Lombardi Award
Outland Award
Big10 MVP
Big10 Freshman Of The Year
Big10 Offensive Player Of The Year
2x Big10 Offensive Lineman Of The Year
2x All Big10
Team MVP
Ohio State All Century Team

Korey Stringer: 3 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (24)
2x All American
Big10 Freshman Of The Year
2x Big10 Offensive Lineman Of The Year
2x All Big10
Team MVP
Ohio State All Century Team
Varsity O Hall Of Fame

Rob Murphy: 3 Year Starter
2x All American
All Big10

Jeff Davidson: 2 Year Starter - 5th Round Draft Pick (111)
All Big10
Team Captain

LeCharles Bentley: 3 Year Starter - 2nd Round Draft Pick (44)
All American
Remington Award
All Big10
Big10 Offensive Lineman Of The Year

Dan Stultz 
All Big10

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

All-Cooper Defense:

Alonzo Spellman: 3 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (22)
All Big10

Mike Vrabel: 3 Year Starter - 3rd Round Draft Pick (91)
2x All American
2x Big10 Defensive Lineman Of The Year
3x All Big10
Ohio State All Century Team

Dan Wilkinson: 2 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick - 1st Pick Overall
All American
2x All Big10
Ohio State All Century Team

Ryan Pickett: 3 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (29)

Steve Tovar: 3 Year Starter - 3rd Round Draft Pick (59)
2x All American
3x All Big10
Big10 Defensive Player of the Year
Ohio State All Century Team
Varsity O Hall Of Fame
Team Captain

Andy Katzenmoyer: 3 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (28)
All American
Butkus Award
Big10 Freshman Of The Year
3x All Big10
Ohio State All Century Team

Na'il Diggs: 2 Year Starter - 4th Round Draft Pick (98)
All American
All Big10

Damon Moore: 3 Year Starter - 4th Round Draft Pick (128)
All American
2x All Big10

Roger Harper: 2 Year Starter - 2nd Round Draft Pick (38)
All Big10

Shawn Springs: 3 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (3)
All American
Big10 Defensive Player of the Year
2x All Big10
Ohio State All Century Team

Antoine Winfield: 2 Year Starter - 1st Round Draft Pick (23)
Jim Thorpe Award
2x All American
2x All Big10
Team MVP
Ohio State All Century Team
Team Captain

Brent Bartholomew: 6th Round Draft Pick (192)
All Big10
Ohio State All Century Team

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WorthyBuck's picture

 In a landslide.

Hawk and JL are better than Shazier and Lee, and Wilhelm is mile better than Macmillan, who was an average player.  

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Dillon G's picture

QB is the Dwayne Train. He is the best QB in my short lifetime. Better than all of them including Schlichter and Smith.

RB is Beanie Wells. Let him play behind the lines Zeke played with. And this is not a no-brainer. Zeke "Is a violent blocker" where Meyer's exact words, and it matters.

Offensive line is definitely not a push. I realize we are looking at 5 guys versus 5 guys, where I am comparing Warriner and Stud, vs the Walrus over time.

#walkaway

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stantmann's picture

Here ya go Frog: I put a 1 next to the First Team All Americans. Cooper finished #2 twice, but Meyer and Tressel squads would have a tough time handling this team. Tress also loses Doss, since he was 1st Team All American under Cooper first.

Cooper Offense

Offensive Coaches: Tim Spencer, Walt Harris

   
Position Player  
Quarterback Joe Germaine  
Running Back 1 Eddie George  
Wide Receiver Joey Galloway  
Wide Receiver 1 Terry Glenn  
Wide Receiver 1 David Boston  
Tight End Rickey Dudley  
Left Tackle 1 Orlando Pace  
Left Guard 1 Rob Murphy  
Center 1 LeCharles Bentey  
Right Guard LeShun Daniels  
Right Tackle 1 Korey Stringer  
Cooper: Defense

Coaches: Larry Coker  Heacock Ron Zook

   
Defensive End Alonzo Spellman  
Defensive Tackle 1 Dan Wilkinson  
Defensive Tackle Luke Fickell  
Defensive End 1 Mike Vrabel  
Outside Linebacker 1 Steve Tovar  
Middle Linebacker 1 Andy Katzenmoyer  
Outside Linebacker 1 Matt Wilhelm  
Cornerback 1 Shawn Springs  
Safety 1 Mike Doss  
Safety 1 Damon Moore  
Cornerback 1 Antoine Winfield  
Kicker Josh Jackson  
Punter Brent Batholomew  
Returner 1 Terry Glenn/Jeff Graham  
     

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Cooper would've figured out a way to lose

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stantmann's picture

Only way Meyer or Tressel team beats Coopers is if they are wearing Maize n Gold, or in a game named with the word (anything)Bowl in it.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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Fong's picture

I realized after I posted it I should have had Fickell. I debated the DE position for a long time with Finkes, Spellman and Jason Simmons. I didn’t feel right about including Bentley or Doss since I think of them as Tressel guys. Otherwise, I think we were pretty close. 

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stantmann's picture

I considered leaving Bentley with Tressel, but he started 2 years for Cooper before becoming an AllAmerican in senior year (2001), so because it was 3 years for Coop and 1 for Tress, I went with Cooper.

Doss is a 3x All American, and the first was under Cooper, so most definitely should be a Cooper guy and not Tressel.

Look at all those All Americans at almost every position for Cooper. How did he not win at least 3 NC's? He had teams that were good enough to win it all in 93, 95, 96, 98.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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esap153's picture

Just looking at the teams, wow Meyer's team would be absolutely loaded. I have to imagine based on talent alone, Meyer's team would dominate in this game

Seattle Buckeye, Green Tony

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I hate to be a prisoner of the moment, but that All-Urban Era team would whip the shit out of the All-Vest squad.

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yankeescum's picture

Why, because Nick Bosa had four sacks against Oregon State, Rutgers, and TCU?  Vernon Gholston had 4 against Wisconsin, in one damn game.  Did you actually watch any of those wide receivers play?  All three of them were better than any single receiver in the Meyer era, and that is not mentioning Gonzalez, Hartline, Robiskie, or the glorious Sanzenbacher.  Cameron Heyward, Pitcock, and Hankins are better than any Meyer era DT.  Hawk, Laurinaitis, Wilhelm, and Rolle?  I fucking love Shazier, and Darron Lee but c'mon man.  They weren't so bad.  Would you really take Elliot over Maurice?  Haskins over Pryor and Troy Smith, the Heisman winner?  Tressel is the most criminally underrated coach of all time.  Not just at Ohio State.  He won exactly the same amount of national championship games at Ohio State as Meyer did, and made it to two more.  We were pretty lucky to have the dude.  We were pretty lucky to have Meyer as well.  But give the Vest some credit.  

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ashtabulassassin's picture

this is crazy talk.

First off, Chris Leak smoked troy smith in the NC game. Troy smith and that entire squad were criminally overrated. Meyer absolutely smoked them in the NC game as the heavy underdog and it wasn't even the 8th closest game they had that year. Tressel couldn't play defense. And meyer's player development and coaching is on another level. That is why he can take a class full of no-start bowling green or utah recruits and dominate a conference overnight.
 

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yankeescum's picture

During the decade that Tressel coached the Buckeyes and of the season poll position was the highest of any other team, including USC, Alabama and Texas, or literally any other team in the country. He played in three national championship games and won one. Meyer played in one national championship game, and finished behind Alabama and Clemson in every year but one. Tressel was arguably the best coach in the nation in his decade at Ohio State, and no one would make that argument for Meyer.

These coaches are dealing with college kids, who have emotions and shit like that, not robots. That's why the best team on paper doesn't always win. Tressel's players believed their own hype and thought they had already won by the time they played that game against the Gators. They got their asses beat. Do you think that Kirk Ferentz is a better coach than Meyer because Iowa smoked the shit out of us a couple years ago? How about old Jeff Brohm? Upsets happen, it sucks for the team rated higher, but it doesn't mean that some coach is dogshit. Maybe you're young enough not to remember the national championship game against Miami, but Tressel didn't look like dogshit there.

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stantmann's picture

Tress didn't have much depth. When Ginn went down it was over. There wasn't anyone on that WR side that scared UF (or any team) more than Ginn. Put it this way, with Ginn, 7-0, without Ginn, 7-41. It would have been a OSU/UM high scoring affair if Ginn were opening it up for others. Not taking either side, just upset at Ginn going down for celebrating. That's the way I usually shut the UF fans up down here.

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Stigger's picture

An all-Tress team vs an all-Meyer team sure would be a fun game to watch. 

The only roster change I'd make:

Clarett > Beanie

I think Clarett was the better player overall. Clarett was also statistically much better than Beanie on 3rd-and-short and 4th-and-short.

Had Clarett stayed healthy (and out of trouble), there's not a doubt in my mind he would have won (at least one) Heisman; Clarett very well could have been the first true sophomore to win. Unfortunately, he chose a different path - one that cost him his freedom and ultimately cost OSU a shot for back-to-back national championships [w/Clarett, OSU most likely would've finished the 2003 regular season with 1 loss or fewer and been one of the top #2 BCS teams]. Fortunately, Clarett was able to turn his life around and OSU football remains top-notch.

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EChuck's picture

Oh how soon people forget, Troy Smith was a Heisman trophy winner who played for a National title.  If we are talking about college players the Meyer wide receivers are not close to Ginn, Jenkins & Holmes also remember they could run Chris Gamble out there as a 4th receiver! I would argue, as a college receiver he was better than any of the 3 Meyer receivers. The Meyer D line would be unbelievable but both O lines would also be stout. Folks need to remember history Tressel had some pretty darn good teams and those players also went on to a lot of success in the League. 

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gobucks544's picture

and add Gonzo! and Hartline, and Dane Sanzebacher, and Robiskie

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Max's picture

I like Tress's team, for the grit from 2002 (I'd take them with Cowboy Craig under center, too).

But don't sell college Michael Thomas short - that one foot catch before the half in the game vs Alabama was about as good as it gets, maybe better than "holy Buckeye" for degree of difficulty.

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milhouse4588's picture

Everyone who is saying that Tressel wins the QB battle because he had a Heisman winner in Troy Smith vs Haskins: that is an awful argument. Haskins put up the best season of any QB in Big Ten history. The only reason he didn't win the Heisman is because he had two other QBs to compete with (one who was prematurely awarded front-runner status in Tua, and Kyler Murray who basically could do everything).

Who were the top two other QBs when Troy Smith won the award? It was Brady Quinn and Colt Brennan. 3 of the top 5 in voting were RBs. Troy Smith was incredible in his time but he wouldn't have even had a chance to get invited with his stats this year.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Calibuckeyefan1's picture

True but offenses, the game  has changed a lot since early/mid aughts.   its apples and oranges if u comparing players just by stats. Troy Smith’s stats were on par with Heisman winners from that era. Matt lienart threw for only  like 2900  yards and 28 touchdowns when he won hiesman in 2004. 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Um...Troy Smith wasn't Jim Tressel's best QB....

Either way, my money is on Urban,

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

That is a lot of talent. It would be a n incredible matchup. My take - glad I'm a Buckeye!

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Shockersmad's picture

Thomas vs Gamble

Shockersmad

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MD-PAbuck's picture

The all meyer team is just stacked. Also on first glance i thought the OL was big advantage for Meyer and was surprised to see it as a push

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Haskins throwing to Devin Smith and Michael Thomas would be unholy. Nobody is beating that.

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WorthyBuck's picture

You think Devin Smith and Mike Thomas could get open against gamble and Jenkins?  I don’t. 

And will Smith would be feasting on stationary Haskins against meyer’s very average OTs.  

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CowCat's picture

Haskins, Elliott and 2 Bosas for the big win.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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martin anderson's picture

Without doing the research, I don't recall any of Tressel's teams that had the talent advantage that Meyer had over an opponent and yet get embarrassed by the likes of Iowa and Purdue. Yes, I am a little off topic

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ashtabulassassin's picture

The real question 3 years from now, is who was the best USC coach of all time. I'm giving the edge to Meyer on that one as well because of his back to back NC wins in 2021 and 2022. Also with his recruiting chops I don't think Pete could even keep up. Also, was great to watch Michigan finally make it to the rose bowl in 2021 only to see Harbaugh lose to Meyer again.

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tGW's picture

You had me at Mike Doss.

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JT4Heisman's picture

Good luck stopping a D-line that has Joey Bosa on one side and Nick Bosa on the other... any QB would be having nightmares leading up to the game and then PTSD afterwards.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I think I would take Tressel's LB's over Meyer's.

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stxbuck's picture

Regarding the 2002 offense-absolutely. The 2002 D is one of the finest in the history of CFB.

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Boom777's picture

Lmao we’ve already seen this movie... it was a horror show. And I didn’t get over it till Urban came to Columbus. 

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WorthyBuck's picture

That was a very different show.  Be like saying that the show would look like 2017 Oklahoma or 2018 Purdue or 2016 Clemson. 

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stxbuck's picture

I'd just throw the entire 2002 D out there against an Urban all star team you want and have confidence in them winning the game.

2002 D PLUS Troy Smith, Tony Gonzalez, Ted Ginn, and Santonio Holmes to put up points-and Terrelle Pryor to back up Troy if he got fat-not even fair..................................Also, Tim Anderson and Kenny Peterson would both eat Quinn Pitcock's lunch every day of the week and 2x on Sundays-no way he should be on the all Tressel team ahead of either of those 2.

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WorthyBuck's picture

Yep.

Also not sure how you stop the power run of Clarett/Beanie with DTs of Washington and Jones and two 220 lb LBs. 

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

The names listed on these two rosters is mesmerizing. How can anyone not love The Ohio State University?

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villain612's picture

I think the Meyer DL would be the difference in the ballgame and they'd win by 10-14.

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Hockey Buck's picture

Tress made it to 3 national championships games and went 1-2. Meyer made it to one and he won it. I will go with Tress coaching his talent over Urb.  I pray we are adding Day to this discussion in a half dozen years.

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Hockeybuck's picture

In fairness, Tressel also didn’t have to play a conference championship game, nor a playoff game to get to the championship game. That said, Tressel probably doesn’t make three championship games.

I like head to head actual games played, and I’ll go with Meyer. 1-0.

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Netbuck's picture

Give me Tressel's roster coached by Meyer. Troy Smith, Beanie Wells, Ted Ginn with the 2014, Cardale Jones playbook. Unstoppable.

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stubbzzz's picture

Imagine all the deep bombs that Devin Smith caught that year, but with 10 yard cushions between Ginn and his “defender” ....   

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Netbuck's picture

And Ben Hartsock running those wham blocks that Heuerman did on the championship run.

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stubbzzz's picture

Man this is great!   I can understand leaving Braxton off of Meyer’s team if you’re also leaving Pryor off of Tressel’s....    but it just doesn’t seem right to leave Curtis Samuel off of Meyer’s offense.  He was almost the entire offense by himself!  I just don’t know what position he would fit in.   WR?    Not having an H-Back spot is a little unfair to Meyer’s team.   

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sac3073's picture

Give Meyer Hyde with Zeke
Give Tressel Mo with Beanie
So you can rotate the RBs.
Troy and TP
Haskins and A 100% Healthy Miller
Rotate QBs
Holmes and Ginn
Thomas and Devin Smith

SAC3073

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tjjordan's picture

It would look just like the Florida game that's your answer 

tj

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Kshed's picture

The back 7 of the Meyer D has speed that could match Usain Bolt. Lee and Shazier as the outside linebackers seems unfair. Tressel's team would have to play man ball, something Tressel did best and try to ground things out. I am not sure Troy would be able to get away from that speed and you might have to put Pryor in to at least shed some tackles. I am bitterly disappointed that I don't have an NCAA game to make this match up happen.  

Nice marmot.

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AZBuck LHC's picture

In a hypothetical game, you would need a minimum of a two-deep for every position as most positions use some type of rotation. Having said that, both teams would feature very talented defenses and solid special teams. I would give the Meyer Team a slight edge on offense, but it would likely be a low scoring defensive battle....the type of game that Coach Tressel excelled at.

Buckeye B

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

The Tressel WR's ... wow.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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NYC Buckeye's picture

Huge miss on the Tressel RB, with all respect to Beanie, that would be Maurice Clarrett.  Also, a push on the Offensive Line?!?!  The Tressel offensive line is hands down winner there. That would be the key matchup, the Tressel OLine vs the Urban DLine.  Also the LBs should be a push and Uban's DLine has a significant advantage (over almost any historical DLine, any school!).

What fun game this would be.

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LoufromOSU's picture

For the linebackers, if we go 6 deep, it wouldn't be close at all.  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Calibuckeyefan1's picture

Great article and comments. I picked Tressel’s team in a close one.  Just last nite, BTN was showing couple of Ohio state football classics - the 2006 Michigan game and recap of the 2002 national championship season. Brought back memories.  Both those teams were Tressel’s best.   MoC stripping the ball from Sean Taylor.. don’t think I’ve ever seen a bigger game changing play.  While Beanie was great, I would pick MoC for this game and give him the edge over Zeke. 

P.S too much is being made of that one debacle in the desert loss.  That nite OSU didn’t look anywhere close to how they played in the regular season.  Great coaches lose some big games. It happens. Meyer’s teams got some beatings too. 31-0 loss to clemson.. Even Saban’s team got blown out ...again clemson. 

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Bukirob's picture

I just think the Meyer DL the difference with all due respect to the 2002 team it doesnt have the juice that the Meyer Dline has.

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LcpoundOSU's picture

Tressel would grind out the clock. Nugent hits the game winner.......

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GoBuckswin's picture

First, goes without saying how much talent OSU has had over the last two decades.

  One interesting thing for me is how many more players of Urban left OSU early for the NFL, and in some cases, left w/ two years of eligibility left like Lee, Hooker, and of course Haskins. While Jim Tressel has some guys leave early as well, not at the same rate as Urban. 

Bucks fans in Mass

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nickel beer's picture

Uno mas?  I think Tressel and his D staff and spec teams take it (back), but not by tens of points or even by ten points. 

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Michael_Bluth's picture

I would not fux with that Tressel defense under Dantonio 

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