Correction - Nebraska's home record is 16-12 over the past four seasons (I flipped those)
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I’m with you.. I still don’t understand it. I think it’s like everyone waiting on Texas to rise again. Everyone is waiting for Nebraska to rise again. I see Scott Frost as being better than his record. But I am waiting to see improvement on the field before I say they could go to the big ten championship game.
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The Frost/Martinez hype is all well and good, but their defense and overall roster talent is still atrocious. Nebraska allowed 37.5 PPG last year to everyone not named Bethune-Cookman, Troy or that garbage Sparty-Offense.
On defense, they have lost 6/7 of their top-tacklers. There are only four high-3* JR/SR's on the roster to replace them at #250, #438, #441 and #451.
The prognosticators are one or two years early on the Cornhuskers.
And OSU gave up 51 to Maryland, 31 to Oregon State, 26 to Indiana, 49 to Purdue and 31 to Nebraska.
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I don't think that there is much to compare here, tOSU had the 26th S&P+ ranked defense w/ 6/7 top-tacklers returning, while Nebraska was 55th w/ 1/7 returning. Plus the new coaching staff and recruiting for replacements part...
And on offense it’s reversed. New O line, new QB, and a new head coach at Ohio State.
I’m not saying Nebraska is going to beat OSU, but anyone who thinks this game is a given is kidding themselves. Frost has put together two very good recruiting classes, he’s got his kids fired up to play for him, and he’s shown that he can turn goat piss into gasoline.
That is fair, I'm just saying all the Nebraska's back talk, is at least one year too early. His upperclassmen are all still Riley's lackluster bunch and JUCO transfers.
He actually cut a lot of the Riley chaff out. They had a bunch of kids transfer. He also has another QB that he brought with him from UCF who had to sit last year.
Yes, I understand that but who has taken their place...mainly JUCO transfers and 1st/2nd-year players, whom most are likely not yet ready to compete at a high-level.
Whether the game is a given or not isn’t the point the author is making. He clearly says the game could be a tight trap game. His point is that nebraska is being treated like a juggernaut and there isn’t a real good reason for it. If the game is tight or an upset, it will have less to do with how great nebraska is and more to do with osu not playing to its potential.
It doesn’t matter that osu is rebuilding its offense and the defense was not good last year. Regardless of OSU’s deficiencies they went 13-1, not 4-8. The two teams recent recruiting would suggest that OSU has a better chance of repeating that type of success this year than nebraska has of reaching it. The point is that if a 4-8 record is proof of concept, then OSU fans should be afraid of every team on the schedule.
He went 13-0 at UCF. So if Jim Harbaugh can milk a 12-1 season at Stanford and a Super Bowl loss for nearly a fucking decade without actually ever winning anything, then Frost surely can have a year or 2 of the hype for that fake natty at UCF lol
I dislike Harbaugh as much as the next guy but his career is much more prestigious than Frost. Harbaugh also went to 3 straight NFC championship games plus the Super Bowl. He went 49-22-1 in the NFL, which is not a terrible record.
Point being, Harbaugh is a tool but he is a decent coach...Ohio State coaches are just better.
Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.
Harbaugh also went to 3 straight NFC championship games plus the Super Bowl.
So did Lovie Smith (albeit not in a row) and no one is making him the highest paid coach in CFB in his first year and the media isn't blowing sunshine up his ass and ranking his 1-9 vs Top 10 opponents/division runner-up teams in the preseason top 10 every season.
Uh yeah, Lovie Smith was a .500 coach in the NFL...a little different. At the time, Harbaugh seemed like a good coach. I think it is partially a problem with his coaching and also that he has hit the ceiling of what Michigan is. A two to three loss team annually.
Frost is one hell of a coach that's why. He took UCF from 0-12 to undefeated and kicking SEC teams asses in just a few years. Another reason is he had far less to work with at UCF. Nebraska may have been mediocre under Riley but they still had better players to start when Frost took over. They almost beat us last year. I do NOT think Nebraska is going to go 12-0 this year but you better believe they will be competitive and will likely win more than 7 games. I would guess they will be the B1G West favorites for 2020 for sure when Frost has three full recruiting classes in and Martinez as an upperclassman.
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Technically, he took UCF from 0-12 to 6-7, and then to 12-0. Still an big accomplishment, but it's not like he took a winless team and made them undefeated.
He took UCF from 0-12 to undefeated and kicking SEC teams asses in just a few years.
Technically, he took UCF from 0-12 to 6-7, and then to 12-0.
Yeah, and even though it wasn't in just one year, that's still a huge turnaround.
Totally agree. Just for me, personally, 3 years isn't enough of a track record to expect him to do it again.
I never said two years. I said a few. Learn English better.
Sheesh - nobody was coming at you, IBLEED. This is 11W not Twitter. Have a good one, man.
Meh, I know a coach who took a team from 6-7 to 12-0 in ONE year.
Well our beloved Buckeyes did not exactly roll over the children of the corn last fall. Throw in a upcoming coach, talented quarterback, and a night game in Lincoln, I can see the Cornhusker hype.
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This feels like the most realistic answer to me. They were having a down year and we didn't smash them, so now that they shouldn't be having a down year it could be closer than 5 points.
I got on to post exactly this, so thanks NorthBerg!
They were beating OSU at halftime in the Shoe last year. And Neb. was definitely much improved by the end of the year. That along with Frost's amazing year 2 at UCF and the game is in Lincoln and there you have the explanation for the hype.
And the OP is also correct in that IF Bucks lose it will absolutely NOT be due to Neb. being a superior talent team. A lot of the hype is also based on the fact that the Bucks suffer a HUGE letdown loss every year.
Hype goes a long way, just ask Michigan.
Obviously we win on paper, we beat all but 2 or 3 teams in the country on paper.
Nebraska finished last year 4-2 after an 0-6 start. In those last 6 games, Martinez had an 11/3 TD/INT ratio, so the improvement had already started. He also accounted for 350ish yards and 5 rushing TDs in those 6 games.
Using Nebraska's home record over the last 4 years doesn't prove much, as they've been just a horrible team. They're likely going to be 4-0 or 3-1 going into the OSU game barring an injury to Martinez, so they'll be playing at home, at night, with a chance to prove they belong in the conversation this year. That recipe leads to a pretty crazy environment regardless of home record over the past 4 years.
As for the 22.5 recruiting class, I don't think I need to tell you about the talent advantages OSU had over Iowa and Purdue
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
People overlooking Corn this year draws a lot of parallels to some of us overlooking Purdue last year. Nebraska lost to Colorado on a fluke last second play. The only bad losses were to Michigan and Troy. They nearly beat Iowa at the end of the season and played us very close.
Nebraska could have finished their last 6 games 6-0 and looked like a 8-4 team by the end.
Nebraska is returning a lot of players and one can only assume they will be better going forward given their trajectory last year.
I honestly think they could contend with Iowa and Wisconsin for the West division this season. I would not overlook them at all.
Who is overlooking them? That's why I wrote this whole thing - people aren't just saying that it could be a trap like Purdue last year, they're actually predicting us to lose.
When you lose a game you shouldn't just about every year, people are going to look for what game has the most making for the upset loss. Nebraska fits many of the same criteria of past teams to beat us in games we should win on paper
I mean based on your own devices there, Nebraska is a top 25 team recruiting wise over the past 5 or so years. That means it will be a night game against a top 25 talent team. People think they will be 9-3 or 10-2 this year because they realistically should be the most talented team in the West right?
Fair enough but I don't often bet on teams in the top 5 to lose to teams in the top 15-25. It happens, but it's a gutsy call. I'm just seeing way too many Buckeyes willing to make that call.
A top 5 team going on the road at night and losing to a 15-25 team is very very believable, and typically happens at least one a year, if not more. Add in the fact that we will have a first year head coach, with a brand new quarterback, a mostly new offensive line and a defense that may still be jelling together/getting comfortable in the new scheme, and that’s a recipe for a tough game.
I don’t see hardly anyone on this site saying we are going to lose. Most of us are just aware that that could be one of our hardest games this year, and a close game or even potential loss should not be surprising.
People like to be early on blue blood returns not late. Nebraska appears to have its arrow in the right direction and they are the sexy thing right now.
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That’s all this is. The media loves to fawn over the perceived next big thing in coaching and the resurgence of a blue blood program. Nebraska falls in both of those categories. It sells better than just copying and pasting the same article every year about how OSU is going to win the B10.
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And any time they get to take shots at OSU it is good clickbait.
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I think it’s way more of an indictment of the B1G west than an acknowledgement of how good Nebraska is going to be. Not many teams on that side are expected to contend. Plus, if you go down their schedule it shakes out into what could be a very good year for them. And, in college sports, sometimes all you need is to gain a little momentum.
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
Jeff Brohm's record at Purdue is 13-13, yet he kicked OSU's ass by 29. Don't let the record deceive you.
As for Frost, he's a damn fine coach. To take an 0-12 team to 13-0 in just two seasons is remarkable. I don't think Nebraska's going to contend for the playoffs this season, but they could definitely win the west and face the Bucks a second time.
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13-0 and ran circles around the only team to be the National Champions that season.
They have a pretty BA QB.
Nebraska was a lot better than their record last year. They should have won the first few games, but things kind of went off the rails for awhile after a couple of tough losses. Then they figured things out.
Nobody is predicting that they're a playoff contender, just that it's a loseable game for us this season, which it is.
It’s not they should beat our fellas; it’s just that they are now positioned such that they are a bigger threat. The losses against teams from the west have now conditioned us to be more wary of these types of opponents.
Not a big thing. Just a team likely on the rise.
Yeah, I get the question here.
I'd have to say that they HAVE improved to the point where we don't think of them as Rutgers.
And if their FANS are fired up, I think that's a valid point to make... ...because the players are college kids, and they get pumped up by an enthusiastic crowd. That may be how Purdue beat OSU last year - to a large extent I credited their crowd.
Beyond that, I think it will be a competitive college football game, and hopefully OSU wins, something like 45-23.
Good game, but I don't see Nebraska winning.
Last year the Buckeyes only beat Nebraska by the score of 36-31 in the Shoe. Are we to believe that the Buckeyes are that much better this year?
I think they are legit personally.
Nebraska came on a bit at the end of last year...did turn 0-6 to 4-8. You see what he did to take UCF from winless to undefeated...he's got a great young QB...building the culture and the confidence there...that game isn't going to be easy. And as wide open as the west is, OSU could very well see them again if they get to Indy.
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I think they will be legit on O. I think their D will still be highly suspect. I think our D will be much improved. (I also view Iowa and Purdue as mostly defensive failures. When the O struggles, a top D can keep the game close allowing the O to get on track, like vs PSU in 2018.)
i expect a Buckeyes win, but it’s game 5 and I think the Buckeyes on O and D are much better later this 2019 than early. And that scares me. Still, I think N’s D is ultimately their undoing against us this year. Their visit to Columbus in 2020 will be a huge game.
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Iowa was mostly a defensive failure but JT playing catch with the Iowa secondary in that game didn't do the defense any favors (and the floodgates opened with that damn pick 6 he threw on the opening drive which quickly put us in catch up mode).
I also view Iowa and Purdue as mostly defensive failures. When the O struggles, a top D can keep the game close allowing the O to get on track, like vs PSU in 2018
Purdue had exactly one more point than PSU at halftime (14-13) and only 21 at the end of the third. The floodgates didn't open until the 4th.
I don’t think anyone here is saying we will lose to Nebraska, as you’re suggesting. It’s going to be a tougher game than widely expected, especially with how Nebraska started last season
They played the Bucks tight in the Shoe last year. Everyone is figuring with Frost as the HC- improvement will come. He will have his team hyped for a "signature win" in Lincoln.. You throw Martinez in the mix and you have a tough out for the Bucks.
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Their offense is going to be good. I have a feeling they might struggle on defense though.
They're a threat to win the west but that's it. I think they're a 7-8 win team.
Ohio State will beat the shit out of Nebraska
If we only use the metrics you listed, we should be undefeated in the regular season every single year no matter what. Of course, that's not reality. We almost always have overwhelmingly better players than our opponents, but that doesn't guarantee a win.
How did Iowa beat us two years ago? How about Purdue last year? How about Michigan State when Saban was there? How about most of the losses to TTUN under Cooper?
Because Ohio State has problems with at least one West division on the road the past couple of seasons.
Maybe that was a trait of the previous coaching regime, but I don't want to overlook Frost and company in a couple months.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
Best not to overlook anybody. The Meyer "How do you a respect a rivalry?" sentiment should apply to all opponents, week in and week out, and that goes for the fanbase too.
Just my opinion.
That’s how Saban keeps from losing games to Vandy, SCar and Miss State by three scores.
It took Nebraska a while to get started last year, but they did come on strong at the end of the season including a win at Iowa. Adrian Martinez had a very nice freshman year at quarterback. He gave the Bucks fits. But, as the game went on, our defense tightened up on him and he made some crucial mistakes. But, I feel that if Nebraska is going to improve over last year, they must tighten up that defense. And that is something the "experts" think might just happen over night. And they are dead wrong. But one thing the Huskers have going for them is the nicest fans in the Big Ten. If you are debating about whether or not you want to go to Lincoln, don't hesitate--GO. You will be treated very nicely. GO BUCKS!
I dont think they should beat us this year. Their depth isnt there yet. However...
Martinez is going to be a nightmare. That guy is the Mariota type player that Frost looks for. He was a true frosh last year and aside from a couple freshman blunders, he exploited our defense ALOT. I really hope their defense stays crappy because im not sure how many times we will hold them from scoring.
People keep comparing Nebby to Purdue and Northwestern as a joke team that shouldnt be competing with us.
Unfortunately i dont think thats the case. Their recruiting is better and has a much higher ceiling than the others. They have sucked for quite a few years but it was only a matter of time before they reappeared as a legit contender. I have had zero respect for them since entering the B1G. But i call it as i see it and i think they are going to be the real deal going forward.
You are missing nothing. The west is not a contender.
Somehow the last two years we managed to get our ass kicked by the team identified in the preseason as our trap game.
so I am taking this seriously until we stop crapping the bed on the road against well coached West teams with less talent.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
Many believe that they will give teams trouble for a couple of reasons- Good Head Coach that can have his team ready and be competitive and a QB that has the potential in leading an offense with his arm and legs and creating some concern due to his abilities and athleticism.
Home Field for them will swing a few points their way as well, but the Bucks should be able to counter with their offensive weapon where I believe have a significant advantage in the backfield, line and wide receivers and our "D" has the advantage talent wise along with a new defensive scheme that they have not seen with our personnel.
I see the Good Guys winning this one 37-23
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If Nebraska was not named Nebraska no one would think twice. If they were same team and named Rutgers would it be the same? People would say oh they should be solid. Or they alright. The amount of play they are getting is out of control. It’s like the old Saturday night live skit. Ditka vs the hurricanes. The super fans would always choose Ditka.
I know the game is played on the field. On paper it should not be close. It should be a 30 point win. I would bet that there are not 5 players on Nebraska that OSU really wanted. I would go as far as to say 3 players. Sure there might have been guys with offers but not guys who OSU recruited the crap out of. Who at Nebraska would start at OSU?
It could be me but the Nebraska hype is unwarranted and out of control. Yes they will be better than last year. Are they the Patriots? Well I don’t think so.
No one said they are the Patriots. They’ve only said that they may beat the Buckeyes. It’s not like the Buckeyes have exactly been consistent the past few years.
On paper it should not be close. It should be a 30 point win. I would bet that there are not 5 players on Nebraska that OSU really wanted. I would go as far as to say 3 players. Sure there might have been guys with offers but not guys who OSU recruited the crap out of. Who at Nebraska would start at OSU?
Attitudes like this are exactly why Ohio state lost to teams like Iowa and Purdue in consecutive seasons. It will not be a 30 point spread, on paper or anywhere else. Why? Because Frost has had a pair of Top 25 recruiting classes. He has a returning QB. And the game is at home.
But if you’re giving those kind of points, I’ll happily take your money.
I'm going to be taking tOSU side, whatever that will be (obv not 30-points). Vegas is going to have to even out all of the square money that will come in on Nebraska.
Guy is one of the top coaches out there. He has surprisingly added a few dangerous offensive weapons too. They will be a legit threat. At home they may go 5-1. If he can knock off a couple of top 10 teams and get better recruits to buy into Lincoln then I think sky is the limit for the Cornhuskers. They went toe to toe with us and had us on our heels for 3.5 quarters. They are last years Purdue this year. Very dangerous but lacking a few key positions. We seen how that went for us last season, cost us everything.
Frost is an excellent coach, they return quite a bit of last year's team which steadily improved all year, and they have the best quarterback in the division.
They'll be good; not great, but good.
Preseason hype = Clicks and more readers.
Beyond that, it's a combination of a well known coach with a reputation of getting a lot out of less talent and the fact that Nebraska really came on strong down the stretch last season.
Not as crazy as ESPN giving Ohio State a 0.2% better chance at winning the B1G than MINNESOTA, but I definitely think there is some overhype going on.
I bet it's a tough game for us though, being on the road at night in a rowdy environment. As always, we will get their best shot. I think it's a close game until the 4th when our depth and conditioning allow us to pull away. 31-21.
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I like Frost, I like him a lot but with that being said, I don't get the hype either. Not this year at least. The talent gap is too big, in the trenches specifically. Too many people are putting stock into "our" defense last year while completely discounting the offense. The talent is there on both sides of the ball. The coaching is there on both sides of the ball. By the time we play Neb things should be rolling well and I don't see it being much of a game. Sure Neb has some offensive talent and they could very well score points but this offense is still coached by 3 of the best offensive minds in the nation and they will score a lot.
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Remeber the beatings the Buckeyes took the last couple years from so so teams.
I think Nebraska is a threat in the B1G Ten west, but I don't see them as a threat to Ohio State.
I would put them top 5 in the conference, I think they're better than Wisconsin, not necessarily by a ton, but I do give them a pretty clear advantage for right now.
I think Ohio State, Michigan, potentially Penn State, then I put Nebraska/Wisconsin kind of right there in the 4/5 area.
Nebraska isn't going to have a good defense this year, they'll score points, but if Fields/Dobbins have a nice flow by the time the Nebraska game comes along I like our defense to make those key stops and our offense to take advantage of their defense.
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Iowa. Purdue. Need I say anything else? Until the Buckeyes prove they can be prepared for all 14 games per season (not WIN, but be PREPARED!), the formula of "Good Team + Afternoon/Night Game + Road Game" will inevitably draw the upset picks.
Urban has left the building.
Neb finished 4-2 after going 0-6 by beating Minnesota, Illinois, MSU (9-6) and Bethune Cookman. All wins at home. Lost to OSU and Iowa. Not exactly a tough finishing schedule. Also, they earlier lost to Michigan by 40.
1,000 yard rusher (Ozigbo) and 1,000 yard receiver (Stanley Morgan) are gone. Top tacklers are also gone. And Riley didn't recruit all that well before Frost so its not like Neb. upperclassmen are all that good. And, a number of Riley's top recruits have left the program (Tyjon Lindsey anyone?....).
OSU has Miami at home the week before this game. You think OSU might spend a chunk of that game week preparing for Neb? Neb is on the road at Illinois the week prior.
I get why people are comparing this potentially with Iowa and Purdue. The biggest thing for me is that OSU will go into this game with a MUCH improved defense which will be a major difference.
Frost will turn the program around. But its too soon to predict Neb as a West contender. They need another year or two to stockpile talent. Speaking of which, we are excited with OSU's current recruiting class which is almost assured of being a Top 5 class. Nebraska? Currently ranked #60 with 8 guys (per the 247 Comp). So even there, Frost needs to pick up the slack.
Should be a good game. But I don't get the Nebraska fear on this one.
The biggest thing for me is that OSU will go into this game with a MUCH improved defense which will be a major difference.
The 2017 defense that gave up 55 points to Iowa was ranked in the top 10
Nebraska lost 5 games by 5 points or less. They redefined ways you could lose a game in the first 6 weeks.
I think a lot of the hype is coming from Frost's offense and what Milton did at UCF his 2nd year in the offense.
1st year: 57.7% 1,983 yards,10 TD 7 INT 113.0 RTG
2nd year: 67.1% 4,037 yards 37 TD 9 INT 179.3 RTG
1st year: 64.6% 2,617 yards, 17 TD 8 INT 139.5 RTG
Nebraska is going to score points as long as Martinez stays healthy. The defense should be improved which isn't saying much. Mo Barry is one of the better LBs in the country. The huskers had a lot of players leaving after the Frost hire which led to a lot of younger players playing. If they can field an average defense they will be a tough out.
Why will your D have improved enough to be in contention? You are replacing most of an awful unit, with even less experianced players. What remains of the RS-SO, JR and SR classes, is horrid. I doubt enough of your JUCO transfers pan out, nor are enough of the more talented RS-FR/SO class ready yet.
The defense that gave up 55 points to Iowa? Yeah, they were horrid especially on that pick-6 from JT on the opening play...................
Based on how they played the Buckeyes very tough last year at the Horseshoe, I am very concerned about going to Lincoln. Especially so if the Cornhuskers are undefeated going into that game. I still think the Buckeyes should win, but I expect OSU with no more than a TD lead going into the 4th quarter.
Probably just them being seen as being on the bubble with an aggressive coach and a athletic QB. At home and with nothing to lose mentality it will be a dangerous game.
In terms of talent, it should not be close. That said, motivation and scheme matter. Purdue and Iowa proved that. They were outclassed in terms of talent at about every position. They didn't seem to know or care about that though.
I could see OSU blowing them out too. Particularly if the defense improves.
For what it's worth, I have a friend who used to be a mid-major A/C (long retired now). He's born-and-bred a Husker fan and lives less than an hour from Lincoln. So through his Alum and gold-old-boy network, he stays fairly close to the program. After watching a couple of their Spring practice he said it's the first time in years it has looked like a true Neb team.
Take it for what it's worth (not much second-hand from the Internet), but he expects the Huskers to be much improved this season. I have no reason to doubt him other than to say I he is a huge fan and I suppose Corn-colored glasses could theoretically be an issue.
Every team is a legit threat (except Rutgers)--just look at Iowa, Purdue, Maryland, etc., the past few years.
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For me at least, I can understand the early hype regarding Nebraska. Solid returning QB and a proven winner in Frost. While I get what the article says in regard to the Huskers, I think a lot of folks are overlooking the fact that the Buckeyes "on paper" are significantly better, but are they significantly better "on the field" where games are actually played? Yes, for now at least but not by as large of a margin as many here are saying.
The Buckeye defense was bad last year. Awful at times. New coordinators and the fact that a lot of the players are a year older magically fixes all that? New schemes, new formations, new responsibilities...all coming from new voices. Man..that doesn't exactly have me overflowing with confidence. When I read things like "we are going to simplify things for our players" I'm not quite sure it makes me feel better.
I am cautiously optimistic about this season. So many variables coming into play here...new coach, new QB, new defensive coordinators, and the list goes on and on and on. Thank goodness the schedule is awful for the most part, as all the new parts will need some chip shots to get things figured out.
I have the Bucks winning in a shootout: 73-67 in Lincoln. Neither team can stop the other. Get your popcorn ready.