Day's in his infancy as a HC, but I have a feeling he's going to be a damn good coach.
It is time!!!!!
I agree, CB, but I'm cautiously optimistic, or tentatively pessimistic, whichever you prefer. If Day's team, with talent vastly superior to almost every other conference team (PSU and TTUN approach OSU in talent, but a gap still exists), doesn't win the B1G at least once over the next two seasons, then that would have to be considered a failure. Before I'm fully aboard the Ryan Day train, he has to prove it on Saturdays and add to the WHAC trophy case. Is that fair? I think it's more than fair, honestly, especially considering the money he's being paid, and the Ferrari he was given to drive. He's lighting it up on he recruiting trail, and in large part he can thank the Ohio State brand and the century of consistent winning that preceded him, but he's certainly doing his part too, so all that's left is for him to prove it on the field... which is, by far away, the most important step in his legacy building.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Of course he has to prove it on the field. People only care about recruiting rankings if you’re winning (and beating your rival).
I remember some team that led the big ten in recruiting for quite some time this cycle, but it didn’t get as much fanfare because the head coach has yet to beat his rival. Just rumors I’ve heard...
Win the last Saturday of November, then the big ten and Day should keep this thing rolling along.
It’s Ohio State. He’ll be under the microscope. Rest assured.
For me I’m living in the here and now. Day has been fun, welcoming and fresh. Impressive and confidence bolstering.
The soldier is my son. The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.
Do you recall when Day was interim for the first three games of the year last year? The team seemed to play so loose and everyone looked like they were having so much fun. The Bucks were dominating! Then Meyer came back and I felt that tenseness and rigidity that often seemed to accompany Meyer return as well. I know the early games were easier but we’d seen the Buckeyes struggle to look good or like they were having fun in early easy games in the past. So by comparison, and if what we saw under Day is any indication, I think Day’s style may be more similar to USC teams of the past who were always so loose and having fun. Which, if my hunch is correct, we are in for a fun season guys!
Yes, it was impossible to miss the difference in tone when Meyer returned.
We were still giving up too many points and we sucked in the redzone those first games and for most of the season after. It will be interesting to see how this is handled now! Was he to harsh on the defensive staff and to easy on the offensive staff based upon comfort level and understanding the issues far more intimately on offense than defense, or was he familiar with the reasons for failure and surgically removed them! - I hope the latter!
Were the players tight because they already new this was our great leaders last run!?
Finally as I have mentioned before - Urban was as consistent of a winner as the past thirty years of power 5 football has had, period - wins and losses he just wins! BG, Utah, were long before the advantages of Florida and The Ohio State yet he is and was the best winner around!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
Trebor, not taking anything from Meyer or his ability to win. I agree I have rarely seen something like it in all of sports. I just felt like he was so tense and intense that it appeared to carry onto the players at times as well. JT Barrett, for example, was wound so tight he was afraid to throw into a small window and I think that ended up hurting his growth. I believe JT was a better passer his Freshman year than he was his Senior year.
the Ohio State brand and the century of consistent winning that preceded
I really liked these phrases
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Whenever I have the chance to listen to him... He wins me over more and more. Now let's get to where it counts... THE GAME(s).
ThErE's GoNnA Be A DrOp OfF AfTeR UrBaN MeYeR
Have to admit I paused to see if there was some hidden code in that capital/ lower case sequence. If there is I couldn’t see it.
Nope. It's mocking people who said Ohio State would suck after Urban left. Pretty sure no one on this forum said that, but it was said lots elsewhere.
To be fair we still don’t know how Ohio State will do post-Meyer.
Been watching a little too much serial brain?
Seriously for a moment , I just don’t see Ryan Day as a first year coach. Urban was a shell of himself last year, Day ran August and September, and surely ran the offense after that, coaching Haskins to a record breaking year. He has recovered recruits who were 100% Urban (Z Harrison, L Cvazos) and has assembled yet another top 5 class after cleaning house. The dude is in charge and recruits keep coming.
I just don’t see the drop off
Day had a test drive last year. It sorta like a back up QB that gets to start a few games until the starter/star comes back. Not the same as a starter for the whole year, different kind of pressure. There is a lot more Day is responsible for than just recruiting and coaching, more demands on his time. Now recruiting, and certainly coaching/results are at the top of the list, but now he has to deal with everything about the program. As I have said several times, I am cautiously optimistic. The AD Smith must be pretty confident in Day or he would have looked elsewhere. Talent certainly helps to win games too, but you have to develop that talent and get everyone to play as a team.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
The AD Smith must be pretty confident in Day or he would have looked elsewhere.
I don't think it's all about Day. Gene Smith undoubtedly considered bringing in an outside coach, but that would likely mean overhauling the program. Day, Marotti, Pantoni, LJSR, etc. might have left or not been retained. Smith took a calculated risk on Day to keep the rest of the program together.
So far, so good. Day has been rocking on the recruiting trail. He's also handled the media and his public role extremely well. I haven't seen an instance yet where he couldn't answer a question confidently.
The real test will come when we enter B1G play. Can Day keep the team motivated? Like every year, the lesser B1G teams will approach playing us like it's their championship game. He'll also have to weather the usual storm of MSU, PSU, and TTUN. Nebraska and Maryland are taking a step up as well.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Gene Smith also had the UFM recommendation help make his decision that much easier.... that should not be ignored at all..
Keeping the support staff that so rarely get mentioned was as big as anything to maintain a level of cohesion!
I would agree with you if it was someone coaching for three weeks, like what happened in Minnesota when jerry Kill was experiencing seizures. This was much much more.
There is as much media attention in august as there is during the season. Then there was the entire controversy surrounding the program. I disagree it was a test drive akin to a backup QB subbing.
And motivation ? How about coaching against them top 20 TCU while your defense is crumbling before your eyes?
CowCat made a good point about elevating Day likely lead to a lot of the current staff staying. He definitely has the coaches and players here to succeed that few few ever had. Right place, right time. And I think Day will kill it as a head coach. But he would not have been given a head coaching position, at a program like TOSU, based on his resume from last year.
I am optimistic. Might not have been a test drive. But 3 games or two months as a head coach tempers my enthusiasm somewhat.
I have the feeling that if Urban had stayed, that Harrison would have went elsewhere.
West Coast Buckeye
You Win with People
A great book title, and a true saying no matter what area of life.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.
The success recruiting the west coast under Day is pretty incredible. Almost as many commits from there as Ohio kids when it’s all done.
I thought recruiting under UFM, cast a wide net in regularly landing talent from Florida, Georgia, and Texas.
Good to see Day and company keeping a nationwide focus, but putting a sound footprint out west as well.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Day is out recruiting several head coaches that have more coaching experience but lack the recruiting personality. Good start and looking forward to many more Booms!
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
I like that it appears Day hires coaches based on their ability first and foremost rather than what region they would be able to recruit well in....think Withers
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
It shouldn’t be where they are from when talking out of Ohio players. It doesn’t matter if it’s Texas or California. It just matters that he is a player.
Recruiting high character and high talent seems to be Day's goal. I like it!
and you can say...er...post that again SAB ;)
Can you imagine how strong the OSU Recruiting Machine is going to be once Day has a very successful season or two under his belt?
What he has accomplished thus far is simply amazing. This is going to be fun to watch.
Fields of Dreams
My thinking exactly. Give the defensive coaches a year at the school to show results on the field and we will have fun seeing the classes of 2021+ come together.
Move over Clemson, UG, and UA
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
Again, it's in its infancy, but between what we saw in his trial last season and everything since he was officially announced, it appears Ryan Day is very much qualified for this head coaching thing.
Obviously, we need to see results on the field, and as mentioned, in the trophy case, but there's not a guy that, as of what has happened so far, is more cut out for and that I'd want to be the face of Ohio State football. There's still more sample size we need, but as of now, he's done pretty much everything the right way. As pessimistic as my nature is, I've got virtually nothing but optimism for the future of Ohio State football. That's unusual for me; thanks Coach Day!
I believe olave success last year as well as Thomas with the saints has kind of helped our efforts out west!
"I think we’ll maybe be in Texas or the Southeast next year."
Shots fired, Texas Tom!
So long as no one on the current staff beats their wife (sarcasm), orders ball gag’s on the internet and has them delivered to work, gets caught lying about players selling stuff for tattoos, or punches a Clemson player; I think Day will be at tOSU for at least 10-15+ years.
If Day brings back the gray on the sleeves, then he has done nothing but hit home runs.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Amen 32, amen. Can I get an Hallejuah? It is Sunday after all...
Hallelujah, 67. I guess some people are against gray on the sleeves ???
And while we're at it, how about going back to " scarlet " red instead of " red " red.
Get us back in to the playoff (and maybe win it). That'll boost recruiting (and my happiness) more than any single other thing - that is, other than continuing to pump players into the NFL. I feel we must make two major changes in order to get there.
First - the new defensive coaches have to turn the defense around - and fairly significantly. If we're not playing considerably better defense than last year - I don't want to qualify for the playoff just to be embarrassed again.
Second - restore a better run-to-pass balance to this season's offense. We have to have something to fall back on when the passing game isn't really clicking. Plus, we had red-zone issues last year. For that matter, we're Ohio State, for heaven's sake - gotta have a top notch rushing offense just on general principle.
In my opinion, both of these things are well within our reach. There is not an opponent on our 12-game schedule that matches us in overall talent. All but a couple of those teams don't even come close. I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to win every game on that schedule - and most of them in a big way.
So the pressure is really on the coaching staff.
Oh - I guess there is a third thing. Don't have an embarrassing loss to some middling B1G West team again this year.
As far as Coach Day is concerned? I'd say - so far so good -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
BP: The Bucks ran the ball 538 times. They passed the ball 524 times. Pretty much 50/50, and I hope they keep that sort of balance (50/50). However, they gained 9.3 pert attempt passing compared to 4.2 per attempt rushing, so yeah, Yards per attempt rushing has got to improve. The red zone failures were likely the options where nobody was buying the Haskins keeping the ball and zeroed in on the RB. Same might be said of the option outside the red zone, no one was buying Haskins pulling it and running. Hell, just straight run the damn ball.
Yes, T_B. I was indeed referring to production - not attempts. And I agree - the greater threat of a QB run will help alot - but I also believe there were other issues.
It'll be interesting to see how the new O-line performs in that regard -
I think part of it wasn't Ohio State's fault at all.
Seemingly every defense we played sold out against the run. One would think that by mid-season they would have backed off and respected Haskins' ability to throw, but they didn't usually. TTUN made that big mistake. They kept stacking the box with press coverage and one deep safety. Haskins said "thanks!" and tore them apart because they didn't adjust.
If Fields is 80% the passer that Haskins was *and* he's a threat to run. Look out!
Where ever they come from, if they have it in them to be buckeyes, get them here.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
West coast makes sense right now, since Pac 12 is a dumpster fire, and recruits looking to go to a contender. This may prolong their woes. I'm guessing it will be a focus as long as the Pac 12 doesn't have a national contender.
Agreed 100%. Was coming in to say this.
Gonna give Urban props for recruiting and grooming Coach Day to take over for him. That was huge!
Day has surpassed my expectations as a first year HC on the recruiting trail. I surmise that top recruits want to play for a coach that is building his legacy, like Dabo, or is a proven commodity like Urban or Little Nicky. Day clearly fits the former category, along with Link Reilly and a couple others. If the Buckeyes can put a top 4 product on the field this year, recruiting is only gonna get better, because in the end players will prefer the "new shiny toy" (Day) wrapped in a great legacy program like OSU over proven program/coach like AL/Saban or newly successful program/coach like Clem/Dabo. Not to mention Day is running an "NFL friendly" system that won't force QB 's and others to spend 2 years learning Sunday football skills.
I only use scout, and they already have OSU at #1. https://www.scout.com/Season/2020-Football/TeamRankings/
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
247 bought scout. Those class rankings are 247’s rankings.
I never heard of a buyout, but I believe you.
Scout rankiings: OSU #1 https://www.scout.com/Season/2020-Football/TeamRankings/
247 OSU #3 https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/
The 247 rankings you linked are the composite rankings. (Combination of rivals, espn, and 247’s own rankings).
247s site has the composite rankings as well as their own site rankings (which are the same as the scout rankings you linked).
That makes sense. The look and feel of the rankings is different, and you can no longer get to the rankings on their page. Now I know why. I never look at the composite rankings, I always trusted scout to be fair, and it looks like it is continuing over at 247.
Thanks for the info.
Last year we finished around 12th. Currently at 3rd. It what universe is that not a massive improvement ? I am glad we're not recruiting like last year. We're recruiting better.
It's a numbers game. Scout actually had OSU as the 15th rated class last year. OSU only took 17 recruits, but their average recruit was rated a 92.18, which was good for 3rd overall. If OSU picked up just 3 more recruits last year they would have been #3, but they didn't have scholarships available for 3 additional players.
This year, OSU's average is down slightly at 91.24, but with 21 recruits, they are actually #1 overall. See my post right above yours for the link. Clemson is #2, but with only 18 recruits, they will surely pass OSU. Only the highest rated top 20 are counted with a few exceptions for position points (such as #1 player at position, etc)
Clemson has 5 - 5 star players. We have 2. If we got Robinson and flipped Ricks we are still at 4. We have 9 - 3 star players currently. Clemson and Alabama have 8 combined. We won't have the top class this year unless we get Ricks to flip to us and we flip one of Clemson 5 stars.
Bottom line is we are drastically improved and we should finish in the top 3. Well done coach Day and staff.