Subtle Changes Ryan Day Will Make Could Heavily Impact Program

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FitzBuck's picture

NO MORE "It's Time For War" before the Michigan game. CHANGE IT UP!

7-0.  It’s time for war stays.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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Razz's picture

Agreed. But couches and fireplaces don't scream "it's time for war," they gently say "it's time for hot chocolate" lol!

Class of '13

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buckz4evr's picture

...as Jim Tressel is at home tipping his cup of hot chocolate.  

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Sav45age's picture

 Coach can change up the office decor all he wants, but all uniform tweaks must be approved the fan base first!

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McGrind's picture

Add a minibar and it is a Residence Inn...

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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TMac's picture

Fitz, if a song makes the difference we should have used it prior to traveling to Purdue. 

ONE Not Done!

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TPMBuck's picture

Who is this "*ichigan" of whom you speak? Time for some pushups.

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dschuetz11's picture

Riddle me this . . . 

If OSU puts up 63 points against Michigan’s defense, why hire two Michigan coaches, and institute the EXACT SAME DEFENSE?

Does anyone see the reasoning for this?

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

~Judge Judy~

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TPMBuck's picture

It's not exactly the same defense. TTUN has a DON BROWN defense - heavy up-front pressure with high amount of man-to-man on back end that gives numbers advantage to stopping run and/or getting to QB before WR's get open. It all falls apart with a good O-Line that can pass-block / fast WRs / accurate QB with quick reads and release - we had perfect combo of all these elements last year. If what the coaches say is true, Buckeye defense is intending to mix in zone and other schemes to combat these weaknesses (having a better D-Line than TTUN will also help).

Mattison's track record is around a top-15/20 defense when he was in charge of defense. (Buckeyes did hang 40+ a couple times when he was coach but some of that was turnovers). His forte seems to be getting players to play to a good level right away. To get us to a great defense will be what Hafley, Washington, etc. can contribute. If Buckeye offense is fairly close to its performance the past 3 years, the defense just needs to be in the top 25 or so - the playoffs would then be very viable.

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Bringer of JUICE's picture

absolutely KEEP "It's Time For War"  That is a great tradition for the week that sets a tone, imo.

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Moo Strength's picture

Agreed, but maybe they could throw some

”Momma said knock you out” right after.... considering that they were pummeled last year into a practical food coma, seems fitting

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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Razz's picture

I'm a big fan of the Hanson Principle, so I'm a bit unsure about "pro style" anything in college ball.

I'm trying to think of national champs running pro-style offenses in the past 20 years.

And what are we talking about being "pro-style?" 5-7 step drop, sit in the pocket? Pass first, sure - hell, pass only many times - but what exactly is meant by pro-style? Ridiculously complicated, reading the entire D in 5 seconds, check off to the 4th receiver?

I'm just excited to see what's next. Got to get tix to the Wisconsin game so that I have an excuse to watch my daughter at Skull Session (her HS band is playing).

Class of '13

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I think pro-style is too broad of a term to be used reliably. But in terms of describing a quarterback, I just take it to mean that they lean more towards passing than running i.e. not a dual-threat. He worked under and is extremely close to Chip Kelly, right? I would expect him spread the field and still try to use the numbers advantage Urban loved. I'm not exactly knowledgeable when it comes to X's and O's but if what everyone's saying about Day is true, the man is an offensive genius and I'll trust he'll come up with something lethal. 

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buckeye phi's picture

Along those lines, Byaaaahhh - when it comes to the Xs and Os, Day describes his offense as a spread running system with pro-style passing concepts (I'm paraphrasing).  He is being compared nationally to Oklahoma's Lincoln Riley (in fact, they are friends) - young offensive geniuses with similar approaches. 

That's why I'm so intrigued by a Coach Day/Justin Fields offense.  Riley was able to qualify for the NC playoff  and produce two #1 draft picks in consecutive years - one a pro-style QB (who could run better than your average pro-style guy) and the other a dual threat QB (who could pass better than your average dual threat guy). 

Coach Day is transitioning from a classic (Heisman finalist and first round draft pick) pro-style QB to a dual threat QB.  In my opinion, the real test will be whether Fields has Murray-ish accuracy to to go along with his running ability. 

Can't wait to see how it all pans out -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Yes..let the Rbs run qb pass unless a scramble situation

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LilTrautie's picture

I would consider both Alabama and Clemson to be pro-style, not sure if they’ve been very successful though.

On a serious note, as a previous comment mentioned it is a very broad term, e.g. a spread offense and up-tempo can still be pro-style.

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gobucks1966's picture

The offense he is talking about started last season if you think about it. The shifting of players on the o line was for pass protection more than running the ball. Our backs got a lot of slack last year but still gained over 2 grand rushing. The Redwoods he is recruiting for the line for the most part are huge and can pass block. A couple not very high in rankings but are athletic and that's what you need  being able to move your feet over a snow plow types. Haskins was barely touched last year with great protection and with Fields who can run will open it up more for the backs too.

Denny

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

"I'm trying to think of national champs running pro-style offenses in the past 20 years."

Nick Saban and Alabama

Pete Carroll and USC

Enough said? 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

It would be a much smaller list if we only asked to list NC the last 20 years who didn't run a pro-style offense. Even the Buckeyes in 2014, with Cardale, ran what could be considered a pro-style offense. 

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Tulsinator's picture

In terms of TTUN... if it ain't broke, don't fix it

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I like Coach & Mrs. Day starting that fund. Thats first-class awesome stuff there.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Hovenaut's picture

I always bear the scars of the 90's and "it's just another game."

Day doesn't have to be Meyer 2.0, and he's definitely shown he's a different coach and person...which is good.

Give me somewhere between "It's time for war" and "I assure you that you will be proud of our young people, in the classroom, in the community, and most-especially (dramatic pause) in 310* days in Ann Arbor, Michigan, on the football field."

(*132 Days at present, and counting)

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

As Ofensive coordinator, Day hung 62 on Hairball & Don overrated Brown, I think we will be just fine, it’s our defense that has me holding our breath 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I'm with ya Hove. I appreciate Meyer and the program he ran (less the ZS fiasco), but I am already a big fan of Ryan Day's style.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I feel Day's offense will be incredible and the defense is going to just get better and better. He has to make the program his and use his strengths well. Definitely ready for the season.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

The Subtle change I am anxious to see is in game changes on defense. When a Purdue or Iowa exploits a weakness.... Make immediate corrections. A loss will come. Hopefully it's despite our corrections and by less than 10 points. Also hopefully not until the 2nd half of next season.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

For some reason colleges don't really make subtle changes until halftime. Might be the same reason why we crashed and burned on defense last year...doing that requires a more complex defense and college players usually struggle with pro-type complex defenses. The most they could possibly do is change out the player being targeted. 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Another way Day is doing that is by making a commitment to breaking the stigmas surrounding mental health, creating the Ryan and Christina Day Fund for Pediatric and Adolescent Mental Wellness at Nationwide Children's Hospital and personally committing $100,000 to the fund.

Thematically, historically (think Chic Harley), and philosophically, this is a tremendous initiative by Ryan Day. Thanks, Coach.

Go Bucks.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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allbucksallthetime's picture

Coach Day absolutely needs to put his own finger prints on the program.  Staff additions, changes in philosophy, and a terrific '20 recruiting class speak to how well the changes are being received by recruits.  Go Bucks!

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NHBuckeye's picture

As athletic as Justin Fields is I suspect we will still see some zone reads and RPO’s.  You have to take advantage of the mismatches that are presented.   

Fields of Dreams

 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

I’m thinking more delayed QB draws, zone read opens up more shots on Fields.

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NHBuckeye's picture

That’s a good point. 

Fields of Dreams

 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

That makes sense - it'll still keep the secondary and LBs looking in the backfield.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Right. No huddle to gas opponents’ DLs. Hurry up to create those mismatches. This year’s unicorn: Under center plus last year’s: throw to the TE and two RB sets. The more things we give opposing coaches to think about and plan for, the less time they will have to devote to preparing their team for each of them.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Oh we’ll be under C if only for diff looks. Do you think we’ll see JK and Master together in the backfield though?

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

A new era begins.  Call what you want.  Just win, baby.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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ChazBuckeye's picture

You beat me to it...

It is time!!!!!

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Silver Sniper's picture

Lol. Was that the best picture you could find?

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I actually didmt use my favorite one of him where he looks even more like the crypt keeper.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Hahahaha. I’d say you pretty well nailed it with that one. 

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buckeye phi's picture

I believe that with only a few exceptions, Coach Day is following the principle of:  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Remember, the offense already had his stamp on it while UFM was still the head coach.  The changes to the offense this season will be more due to who's playing QB than anything else. 

And, of course, the changes on defense are much-needed -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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Tedbomb's picture

Day is completely overhauling the offense, I don't consider this subtle?  This affects how we play and recruit.  Without this I don't think Justin Feilds transfers in nor do we get the tremendous offensive recruits this year.  On defense, he fired every assist but LJ.  Thus is a little more then subtle.  On special teams we finally have a true coach, in Barnes.  Subtle is changing the office furniture, what Days doing on offense, defense, and special teams is a demolition of the past.

tedbomb

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Is Day a generational talent? He just might be. Sounds silly but some things like the above.....it’s like watching Shark Tank; why didn’t I think of that? Or Forty formulas of WD-40, or Meet the Parents and the “geniuses pick green”. “But you didn’t pick it”. After all, it’s why he’s here in the first place; Urban picked him. Urban saw “it” in him. Others have backed that up, “Ryan Day is ______ “. He has to make changes, he has to do it his way. Will it work? I’m betting it will and I’m betting he’ll succeed. Hopefully our definition of success isn’t too harsh. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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Ohbucksclan20's picture

It's good he is making changes and making the program his own. It is a good sign for the length of his tenure here.

Go Bucks!

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redwoodz's picture

NEW COUCHES!!!! get hyped!!!!!

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McGrind's picture

Sparty looking for the old couch...for when they beat ttun. Nothing Sparty loves more than a keg of cheap beer and a couch inferno.

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Not like West Virginia. Beat up old couches are an endangered species in Morgantown.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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LCT's picture

Ryan Day is the right guy at the right time to boost the octane of a plateaued program on its ascent to the top of the college football world.

Go Bucks, Beat Clemson

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Likes changing topography 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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NOLABuckeye's picture

I'm not in the least bit worried about Coach Day. The season cannot get here soon enough.

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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GABuckeye's picture

Just stop losing to shit teams. That's all I ask!

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Silver Sniper's picture

I think Urban had everyone wound so tight that after a big win, we’d see this energy dump like the players had nothing left for Iowa and Purdue.

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teddyballgame's picture

Good point.   You could also look at the buildup to games...we didn't seem to fair so well with night games lately.  Granted night games are scheduled for the evening because they're considered more intriguing and appealing to a wider audience.  So I guess it stands to reason there's' a higher chance of losing.  Still, prepping with Urban for a week and then sitting around literally all day on Saturday seemed to take a toll.  We often came out super flat and just "survive" until we could regroup at halftime.  

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oldebucke's picture

I don't think it can be debated that Urban's relentless style was huge in his domination of ttun or the final 3 games of 2014. He had them peaking at the right time. I often wonder if that style didn't cause some of the utterly unexplainable pathetic losses. Super high most of the time, but an even lower low when not. Burnout. Just hoping Day finds the perfect balance. That means we never lose, right?

If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.

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Silver Sniper's picture

You nailed it. I just posted something similar right above before I saw this.

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buckeyedude's picture

Of course I'd rather OSU never lose, but If I was coach and had a gun to my head and had to "pick one loss" for Ohio State, I'd actually rather it be against Purdue or Illinois than TTUN. I'd make that pick every time. 

Peaking in November is much better than peaking in September, as the TTUN "September Heisman" can corroborate. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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buckzilla1's picture

It seems as though he has already started that. While Meyer was known as "robotic" sometimes and not exactly a "player's coach," treating the program like a corporation a lot of the time, Day has strived to create a "family" atmosphere early in his tenure.

This is the biggest unmitigated bunch of horse shit I have ever read in my entire time on Eleven Warriors. Family was, is and should always be the biggest part the culture established by Coach Meyer. Not a players coach? This is a revelation to me. This article seems to be of the ilk of no research, no sources and quite frankly just plain fantasy. Taking shots at Coach Meyer is the kind of low class stuff I would expect from lesser sites (Ramzy opinion pieces aside) this is just awful.

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RockOSU's picture

I gotta say I'm with Buckzilla1 on this one. I'm excited to see Coach Day in action this season, and if it helps progress the family culture by putting in a fireplace and having some marshmallow sticks for making s'mores while Kumbaya plays in the background, then great!

But the "robotic" comment and "not a player's coach" came from out of nowhere, in my opinion (unless, of course, he was using a source quote from Jimmy Harblah-blah!). I'm reminded of some artwork I had seen, created by our own Sam Silverman, that had Urban and the team walking out together with the quote: "There is no Stronger Unit than a Family!" That's been the mantra basically since Tressel started politely stomping around the sidelines. While each will emphasize it uniquely in some way, it feels a little backhanded to UFM to word it the way this article did.

Besides, methinks this is a billion dollar corporation last time I checked.

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CherryWine's picture

Quickly forgetting Urban Meyer was the best coach in the history of the B10 in any sport. 

We don't have to take our clothes off to have a good time, no no

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Sometimes change is needed. We can all Iove Woody, Tress, Urban and Day and still  not have to bash any of them. Woody won the most Natty’s at Ohio State on 3 yards and a cloud of dust, but the game started changing towards the end of his tenure, Tress brought us a natty and a smothering silver bullet defense, Putting a fence  Recruiting around Ohio approach, he dominated TTUN but being in Arizona as I for that natty game, was Urban and the spread offense sadly kicked our ass and acted like a changing of the guard and now we have coach Day coming in, bringing in recruits from Hawaii, Washington State, California and still locking down Ohio in a bigger hybrid new approach. Love Urban and always will but I also loved Woody and sweater vest too but the one thing that has remained constant during OSU is OSU, I see coach Day as the next piece in our evolving an continued success 

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TUNAWarrior's picture

I'm pretty sure I had something valid/important to say here, but that horrific picture of Al Davis has just wiped my slate clean.  I don't remember anything.

As I've said before, as of now, Ryan Day has not only made no missteps, but he has only acquitted himself perfectly as a coach and a human being.  He's going out of his way to make sure everyone that looks at the program knows the vibe he's bringing in.  And if the continued winning happens (and we see more CFP berths?), that feeling will only strengthen throughout the football program.

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nickel beer's picture

My impression of Day has been not so much of walking softly, though he's definitely got a personable very likeable side to him, but that he carries the proverbial big stick and will use the big stick without hesitation.

I really think this guy is going to be successful--very successful. 

*The way I took the 'robotic' observation is from a media perspective.  The 'not a player's coach' is just a simple fail.  If Meyer has an Achilles or two, it's the fact he's sometimes too much a player's coach--but that's something I always liked about him--from a player/participant perspective.

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buckzilla1's picture

Werthiem is an intern, a fact I forgot about when I posted. Still stand by my post though. Sometimes you have to realize that the words you put out there as fact resonate with folks. He has to take his lumps like we all do and like most of us, he will be better for it. 

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nickel beer's picture

The flat beer in my take is pretty much a hangover from last year's media posse and character assassination.  I actually was happy to see that someone else had caught those remarks....  I've written and published stuff--I know the game.  I'm always one to compliment these same folks when they do well, too. That's the other side, just as important.

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CowCat's picture

Day has been at OSU for 2 years. He's already put a big stamp on the offense. The QBs are trained to have confidence throwing in tight spaces with proper timing. He's also expanded upon the passing route concepts.

I do think we'll see a slightly different offense, but that will due to having different players with different skills. I'm guessing it will be more like Oklahoma with Baker Mayfield.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Dillon G's picture

Couches and a TV sound like a day room when in garrison, in some situations. And the big joke is, don’t get caught in there. In times past...

#walkaway

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Ryan.Honeycutt's picture

Up to this point in coach day’s head coaching career (I understand it’s only been 7 months + three games at the beginning of last year), he has done everything right in my eyes... he is saying all the right things, he is conducting himself with the upmost sturdy professionalism, he has recruited at a ridiculous level... and like he said, he ISN’T Urban Meyer... I’m sure whatever the changes that he makes to put his own stamp on this program are going to be right for tOSU going forward, but he has said the culture and infrastructure will stay the same because he knows that it works... of course the scarlet and grey have to prove themselves on the field for us to see how far coach day can take this program... I for one have very high hopes especially for year 1

RyanPH

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Buck-n-A's picture

I like that Day is looking for arm talent first in a QB but also does not want a statue back there. A QB who can take off and hurt you if you don't account for it but isn't trying to run fhem on designed plays as often.

Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Gotta say I personally hate quick cals (too schticky for my taste) but I’m guessing they’ll stay under Day.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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oldebucke's picture

I agree about  quick cals. Not one of Urbans better motivation ideas. But for Day to discontinue it I think he would need to replace it with some other ritual to refresh it, not totally dump it. I have no clue what that could be. Anybody got any ideas?

If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I vote for quick cals by Ohio State’s dance team. It might help boost student attendance.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AzBuckeye45's picture

As much as I admired UM, I look forward to new blood running the football program. Day and Meyer are two completely different people with the same ultimate goal in mind. With a pass first mentality, the opposition teams will have to completely re-think the way their defense will attack. I think JK Dobbins is going to have a good year! 

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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oldebucke's picture

Hey buckeyedude, I couldn't agree more. But you have to admit, a couple of those ugly losses probably kept us out of the playoffs because of how bad we were dominated by very inferior teams. That was the point I was trying to make.

If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.

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oldebucke's picture

iowabuck, I like your thinking. THAT would get this oldebucke there instead of sitting in my recliner with a cold refreshment. 

If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.

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btalbert25's picture

I think the "family" atmosphere is HUGE.  I know a guy who played for both Brian Kelly and Dantonio at UC.  He said Dantonio had a family atmosphere.  Cooked out with the players, they all knew Dantonio's family and also knew they could drop by his office anytime they wanted.  With Kelly, he said you had to actually schedule time to speak with him, and that he didn't even seem to know all the players.  The attitude the players had toward the 2 different coaches, couldn't have been different.  As long as the family atmosphere doesn't compromise his authority, I think players are going to be more passionate about going to battle for the coach.  

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typeOHpositive's picture

I have a ton of faith in Ryan Day and what he's doing, but please get rid of the quick cals and bring back the Hive....then all will be right in Buckeye Land.

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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Scuba_Steve's picture

From the article "and when you have a running back that is as talented as Ezekiel Elliott, you don't waste it."

Really?  Had to go there, huh?  2015 Flashback commences

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