Someone should re-inform these coaches that the same rules that apply to the SEC do not fly for the B10. Getting rid of the conference championship would only hurt us, not help us.
When the Buckeyes destroyed Wisconsin in the championship game in 2014, that was the exclamation point that gave us a position in the playoffs.
And also, being from Indianapolis may make me a little biased because I enjoy the short drive to Lucas Oil every time the Buckeyes are in town.
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Is there anyone arguing for getting rid of the conference championship game?
Buckeye in the desert of Washington state.
No. If the West didn’t suck so much, beating a top 10 team in last game of the year would have guaranteed theBuckeyes a playoff spot last 2 years.
Plus no one wants Bucks v TTUN 2 games in a row.
I hope we never have a repeat game. We (the B1G) have dodged a title game repeat thus far, but it could happen this year if Wiscy wins the West (because of course we are winning the east). I would be good with; no divisions, preserve traditional rivalries, play a home/home with everyone over four years, and play in Indy only as-needed to break a tie. No tie, no Indy.
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We played Northwestern last year.
I meant playing an opponent in the regular season, and then again in the championship game. Like the B12 does every year, or 2016 when OK and OK State played back-to-back games. No one wants to see that.
Great points, LCB
We play Nebraska, Northwestern, and Wisky out of the West this year. Arguably the three best teams out west. If we navigate ourselves to Indy, we have an 87% chance of a rematch.
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You know, thats a great point.
The entire purpose of playing the other division champ in the conf champ game is to ensure you play one of the best teams in the Conference. However, the West hasnt had the best teams in the conference in a while.
The argument of expanding the college playoff picture includes the possible condition of removing conference championships so that they can accommodate with the number of games and time needed to play.
It would either be that, or shortening the games within a season. Of course there are more arguments or possibilities, these are the ones that seem most plausible to me or that I've heard most.
Franklins has an idea of what the new divisions should look like.
Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota and TTUN in the new Not Elite Division.
Elite Division- OSU, Wisconsin, Northwestern, MSU, Nebraska, Iowa and Purdue.
OSU and TTUN need to be in the same division to preserve "The Greatest Rivalry In Sports."
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They don't have to be in the same division to play every year, my only concern with not being in the same division is you could face each other again in the conference championship game.
10 upvotes!!! I would add that James Franklin wants Temple added to his divisions
The East has been much stronger of late, but the West is getting better. The thing about realignment is how are you going to do it? The geographic layout of the conference means East-West makes sense. North-South would be hard and mean a lot of travel because teams like Maryland, Indiana, and Nebraska would all be in the south. Leaders-Legends was dumb and shouldn’t be recreated. There’s no good way to realign.
Whether eight conference games or nine conference games, Fitzgerald believes all FBS conferences should be playing the same number of conference games in order to maintain shared data points across college football.
Fitz is right on here. Everyone should be the same. And until everyone else goes to 9, or the committee starts respecting the fact that we play 1 more conference game and 1 less scrub, it’s just hurting us.
Seriously, the past (4) yrs the playoff problem has been 'bama/Clemson/'bama/Clemson respectively. Iowa and Purdue notwithstanding. And Sparty upsetting the Buckeyes at home w/two back-up qb's preventing the best team in the country from participating.
Again, you don't get the benefit of the doubt when you lose to Clemson 31-0.
IOW self-inflicted wounds ...
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Ouch. Sad, but too true. Esp that "embarrassment of riches" in 2015.
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"...Scarlet Knights have gone 1-19 against Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State and Michigan (with the only win coming against Michigan in 2014) "
Thanks for reinforcing TTUN's loss to Rutgers. Nice.
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Keep the divisions as is and let's get to an 8 team playoff already. 5 automatic bids go to the P5 conferences, with 3 at larges and a way for G5 teams to make it. There's no reason we can't have the playoffs start two weeks after conference title games (mid December) and have the semi finals and championship game where they already are.
I guarantee without a doubt that the quality of football will increase if every single team in the FBS knew without a doubt that they could get to the playoffs if they won their conference (or had a good chance if they were an undefeated G5 team of the highest ranking)
Perfect. And for those concerned with the season being too long, reduce the number of conference games to 8 and eliminate chicken shit Saturday.
IDK, an eight team playoff just sounds like a plot to get three SEC team in. And you know they will.
Thus far in the playoff era, there has not been a year where there has been more that five, or possibly six, teams that had any business being considered, and no G5 teams (with the possible exception of UCF that one season, though I don't buy it.) If they're going to change it, I'd rather see them take an incremental approach; conference champions only, no ND exception, and see how that works out for a few seasons.
G5 needs to have their own playoff. The level of talent at the top end of the P5 is far supiorior to any G5. No G5 team could play a SEC or B10 schedule even if they are able to compete in a 1 time bowl game against quality opponents. Fuck ND too.
No divisional changes. That is reactionary and stupid. The purpose of this discussion is to get the attention of the decision makers, the committee. This leads me to the next point. CPFC members should have to commit to longer, overlapping terms, and be directed to follow the stated selection criteria. Lastly, win the games you are supposed to win, if you want to be invited to the party.
IMO no need to change anything. Tough schedules are a good thing. I don't want to play Western Carolina (Alabama's monster opponent on Nov. 23). It's embarrassing.
The reason the conference got shut out of the CFP the last two years was because the conference champ (and standard bearer since the CFP started and actually well before that) crapped the bed against Iowa and Purdue. Just stop doing that, and everything will be fine.
I think it's risky to realign for perceived power purposes. Things evolve. The West shows real promise. As far as division names, I always thought Lakes and Plains. That is what the mid-west is about. I don't care if Neb. ends up in the Lake div. any more than I care if Illinois or Penn st. are east/west of each other. It's about what B10 stands for.
If you have two people that agree on everything, that only means one of them is not thinking at all.
Considering the B1G has 14 schools in 11 states, the divisions don’t need be aligned or namely logically.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
If it ain't fixed, don't broke it!
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I posted what they should be a while back. Parity is not the main consideration. It was without Rutgers and Maryland. And rightly so.
Im also pleased Rutgers hung an “L” on their pathetic asses.
Here is the thing. We have been blessed with great decision makers. Meaning Smith and Delany. I’m a little concerned about big Jim stepping down. Gene Smith has to at some point.
We should just realign to having the B1G East + SEC West.
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The weak West has kept the big 10 champ out of the playoffs last 2 years. If we played a top 10 West champ and beat them, our resume would have gotten us in.
We did exactly that in 2017.
The problem isnt the alignment. The problem is that teams have to face Ohio State.
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No more division realignments. The teams in the West should recruit better players and hire and retain better coaches! How lame to complain about not winning the championship and expecting other teams to cater to that!
Purdue gets just as much money from the B1G as Ohio State and Penn State, but they don't invest money in their football program, and not surprisingly it's tougher to recruit to a place with such crappy facilities
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Purdue does invest in their football program, hence Brohm and their new facilities...the entire West has been investing in their programs over the past few years, now let’s be patient and see how it starts paying off
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I hadn't heard about their new facilities. Last thing I heard about their facilities was Buckeyes players talking about how their locker rooms were like high school locker rooms, that the training facilities were subpar, but that was a couple years ago. I know Northwestern updated their sports facilities and not coincidentally were able to attract a former 4 or 5 star transfer QB from Clemson.
Let me translate Franklin's comment- "Get me the f#%$ out of this division!"
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“I think the East is very strong and has been very strong for a number of years, and I think obviously you can have the argument over history, there's ebb and flow, but if you look at the East it's pretty strong,” Franklin said.
What Coach really said:
We all know that playing a pushover in the Big 10 championship is not going to boost anyone's resume. The West has no one that could really boost a resume. That being said, a team such as Ohio State needs to move to that division to create a good match up for the championship. Imagine if Ohio State had played Michigan for the Big 10 championship last year. That would of probably been enough to put a bigger reason for Ohio State to be in the playoffs.
So, play Michigan for the B1G title in Indy? Sounds great.
Then do what do we have?
Northwest division with Michigan vs Mich State joining Wisconsin vs Minnesota, Iowa vs Nebraska and Northwestern.
Southeast division of Ohio State and Penn State staying with Rutgers vs Maryland, Indiana vs Purdue, and Illinois?
I don't think the quality of opponent necessarily matters (i.e Oklahoma winning 40+ point shootouts in the Big XII managed to get in last year). Nor does realignment ultimately affect strength of schedule. If anything it waters down tOSU's strength of schedule because at least we know we play two quality opponents each season in Ichigan and Penn State. The B1G West champion should in theory at least be quasi-respectable, which is about the most you can hope for, and realignment doesn't necessarily fix that anyway.
Let's take a hypothetical case-in-point. Alabama played the B1G champion MSU in the 2nd inaugural CFP and smoked them, but claiming that Alabama played the best B1G opponent that year isn't factual, but because MSU happened to walk into Columbus in a rainstorm and beat a much more talented Buckeyes squad saved Alabama from playing a higher quality opponent.
The same thing could happen in realigned divisions if say Penn State and Ohio State were in different divisions and Penn State was the 2nd best team in the B1G all year, but walked into West Lafayette and gets upset by a 4-5 Purdue squad that winds up undefeated in the new realigned divisions. This would put them in the championship game over a one-loss Penn State - an unlikely, but perfectly feasible scenario.
The real answer is for the B1G West to play better football.
Alabama played an arguably much weaker opponent from the SEC East for several years and it never affected them negatively - this was before the rise of Georgia.
With automatic bids for power five conference champions, it's inevitable that a four or five loss team would make the playoffs probably sooner rather than later.
The college football world would go ballistic other than the fans of that one team.
Let's Go Bucks
Perhaps. For mysel though I've always thought systems that are fair (you know what you have to do ahead of time) make for better sport than systems that are accurate (always pick the best teams). Obviously you'd like to have as much of both as possible but sometimes they are mutually exclusive. I'd accept the occassional foibles of a more fair system gladly over the perception-driven campaigning of the current setup.
Christ, I'm having a "Leaders" and "Legends" flashback.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Realignment is the new expansion
Right. I’m bored so let’s tinker with something that works perfectly fine.
In Voltaire's famous Candide, what did Professor Pangloss reiterate, "This is the best of all possible worlds"?
Alright the real problem lays in the committee. The chairman before championship weekend said there was very little separation between Georgia (4), Oklahoma (5), and Ohio State (6). He said conference championships would push teams over with little or no separation. Oklahoma won and passed Georgia for number 4. Ohio State won an extra game and a conference championship, but stayed at 6. What happened to very little separation. I was totally fine Oklahoma being 4 because Meyer checked out of a beat down to a crappy team in the 1st quarter for a second consecutive season. Georgia however should have dropped below OSU. I live in GA and many UGA fans agreed based on his original comments.
Keep the divisions as they are, it's at least geographically logical.
Sure, the East has more good teams than the West, but that favors the West. The West has fewer good teams, but that makes it easier to win the division. Then there's only the B1G championship game with one team to beat. Sure, the East is more of a brutal conference, but only one team goes to the championship.
Put another way, if currently the best team in the West can't beat the best team in the East, then they probably never will. It would only get harder in the West if OSU, UM, MSU or PSU were to join that division.
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-- Urban Meyer
Moot point. Inexplicable blowout losses to Iowa and Purdue have kept the big ten out of the playoff for the last two years. Re alignment be damned, until an Eastern team can beat us, it really doesnt matter.
Franklin should be a politician he says a whole lot of words but at the same time says nothing....i think the only people asking these questions about realignment is the journalists...as usual trying to make a story out of something that does not exist...yes as said by many without those two blowouts the BIG would have gone to the CFP it has nothing to do with how the divisions are....
Hate the idea of doing it again but probably should happen within the next 3 years if the West doesn't come up with SOMETHING close to a power team.
A point comes where your conference championship isn't viewed as well (even for playoff committee) if the West is incapable of putting forward a team that can actually win.
Move back stabbing Franklin to the MAC...bitch is a whiner...Fuck Franklin...Fuck Penn.State...Fuck Penn.State Coach's...Fuck Penn.State Fans...Fuck Happy Valley...GO BUCKS
Move Franklin to the MAC ? Life doesn't work that way or we would send Dabo and Nick there as well.
Geeze, go to 8 conference games, and add one FCS team to the schedule. Reduce the mathematical odds of the B1G champ having an L. Maintain one premier P5 match up in say week 3, and play two MAC or similar schools Keep the conference championship game and move on. It's that easy. Ah and one more thing- make sure the B1G committee reps understand to always down grade the SEC, and ACC teams, and upgrade the B1G teams whenever possible..
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Sounds about right. Or, make the other conferences change and go to 9 conference games.
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Simple and smart, Earth. I like it.
And the B1G is in control of reducing their own conf. games, whereas they have no control over the other confs increasing theirs.
Land vs Lakes Title game
I like division names Land and Lakes better than Northwest and Southeast.
So Lakes along the Great lakes with Mich, Mich State, Wisc, NW and Minn, and...
We can always play one less conference game each year, like the SEC does. Apparently that makes you look stronger in the eyes of the committee. Weaker schedule better chances. (The committee sucks)
I am not a fan of realignment. Tradition should mean something. Change is constant. You see a Nebraska team with an innovative new coach and they have renewed enthusiasm. MN has a new coach and will possibly improve. Illinois has had more success in recruiting and getting transfers. Better coaches will help but there will always be the top, middle and lower level teams. The names just change every 5 or 10 years.
East vs West just makes too much sense. Keep it as is
The West is on a definite upswing, so it might not be an issue in a couple years. Let's see how it plays out.
Realignment likely only waters down Ohio State's strength of schedule. Who cares if the B1G West champion is subpar? That's not the reason the Buckeyes were left out of the playoffs the past two years. Losing in blowout fashion to mediocre teams who, for one Saturday played their best, most inspired game all season is what kept them out - that plus two losses in 2017 and a statistically crappy defense in 2018.
Personally I'm glad Ohio State didn't make the playoffs in 2017, and although I think they would've fared better against Alabama than Oklahoma did last year, I didn't care to watch them get blown out by Clemson again.
Fact is Ohio State needs to play better even in a loss. They gave up against Purdue last year - or simply didn't want it as badly as the Boilermakers did that Saturday. Whatever the reason, if they lose a close game that night, they likely would've punched their ticket to the CFP, B1G West champion be damned