Riley already has a two year head start. Tons of rumors that he’d take the Cowboys job if and when it becomes open while Day is going to be on NFL radars with a couple winning seasons if not already. I’d guess Riley just because he already has an incredible resume as a head coach including back to back Heisman winners.
"I may not be able to outsmart too many people, but I can outwork 'em." ~Woody Hayes
The Cowboys job isn't opening up anytime soon. Jason Garrett is one of the few coaches in the league who is completely willing to be Jerry Jones's puppet. Jerry's not giving that up all that easily (though Lincoln Riley may be equally as easy for him to control, who knows). Taking the Cowboys job basically means you have to consent to allowing JJ to pick your entire coaching staff for you. While the hell would Riley agree to that (especially after how Mike Stoops blew up in his face at OU)?
I thought Riley was gone at the end of last season. Still think he's gone in the next 2 years. Selfish me wants Day around for awhile but I get worried about when Belichick retires....
I wouldn't worry about that. I think Josh McD is in line to take over in NE when Bill finally hangs it up (it's his last avenue if he wants to be a head coach again considering he's burned bridges with pretty much every other team in the league at this point).
I think Riley has already shown he's not willing to leave OU easily. 3 years in he could have left several times and i don't see him changing his mind for awhile.
after Kingsbury goes 6-26 the next 2 years I think both these guys will be at their schools for a while
I don't know. Chip Kelly didn't stop them from taking Kingsbury. Kingsbury going down in flames probably wont stop them from grabbing the next hot young coach in college, which Kingsbury never really was.
I dont think this will have any impact. The Kliff hiring was unusual from the jump, guy got shit canned from Texas Tech. He wasnt a hot shot coach in college, that hiring makes zero sense.
I would say Day has the longer tenure. I think he's here at least 7-8 years. As far as Riley goes, I do believe he could take the Dallas Cowboys job if offered. I could see that happening as soon as this next offseason, especially if Cliff Klingsbury has any kind of success in ARZ. Jerry Jones will want his young hotshot coach too.
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Kingsbury couldn't win at Texas Tech. I seriously doubt that he wins in the NFL.
Having a QB like Kyler Murray at his disposal will help him tremendously but they're also sentencing Kyler to play behind that Swiss Cheese offensive line of theirs. If they don't get that fixed soon Kyler will either be turned into a vegetable, the next RG3, or so banged up in the course of one season that he'll take his millions and run screaming right back to baseball.
Hiring Kingsbury and drafting Murray #1 are either signs of desperation or evidence of a very inept front office. I love Murray as a college player, but he’ll take far more physical abuse than Mayfield. His game is more like Vick’s, but he’s not Vick.
You are right on both counts...desperation and ineptitude. Plus, Murray gained 20 pounds before the combine because teams thought he was too light at 185 pounds and refused to run the 40 yard dash after that. I don't think he is as fast as he used to be.
Kingsbury couldn’t win big at Texas Tech with a much better QB than Murray, Pat Mahomes. The NFL isn’t the NBA-being GQ Suave in the fashion department won’t buy him extra rope.
Tbf when was the last time Texas Tech won a Natty (with or without Kingsbury as HC)? It's difficult to win big in general at that program considering they have to play third fiddle to both Texas and Texas A&M in their own state recruiting-wise most years (maybe even fourth considering Oklahoma recruits out of Texas a lot as well). Even during the Mike Leach years (arguably the golden era of the program in recent memory) they never won a Natty.
Tech came damn close under Leach, when they beat #1 Texas on Crabtree’s go route. Here’s a newsflash-unless the program is located in Tuscaloosa, football NCs aren’t exactly common-and fans should adopt a tad deeper metric of appreciation other than “We’re not Bama!!!!! We suck and aren’t elite!!!!! Waaaaaaaaaahhh!!!”.
Day has already dipped his toes into the NFL ocean. He may not want to get back into that if he can continue the program heading in the direction Coach Meyer had taken it. Day will continue to get monetary increases as long as he keeps winning and graduating student-athletes. Riley, I think, really would like to give the NFL a shot. Within 2 years I could see him testing the NFL waters if the right job comes along.
Riley has his program knocking at the door of the the upper crust of college football (Bama, Clemson, tOSU) and loads of new talent coming in; I'm not sure he'll be in such a hurry to just use Oklahoma as a steppingstone job.
He took over a a program that was already on that cusp, much like Day at Ohio St. I'm not sure if Riley wants to go to the NFL but I wouldnt blame him if he did. It's a lot less work and you get more freedom.
"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI
You don't get more freedom as a head coach in the NFL unless you've proven yourself like Belichick has. In the NFL you have to deal with owners and GMs picking your players for you (which can be a nightmare for coaches if the GM is incompetent and/or the owner is an overly hands on control freak). The thing about recruiting is that while it is hard work and a grind the coaches have complete say over the makeup of their team. That's not the case in the NFL. In the NFL you're expected to work with what resources your GM and owner hand you and if you can't Bye Felicia. The Browns during the Hue era are a perfect example of how working under an owner and GM who aren't on the same page as you can be absolute hell for an NFL head coach.
And with allllll that being said, it's still easier and less work that a college head coaching job.
Well I was listening to AJ Hawks podcast interview with Coach Day and he said he and his family are looking to plant long term roots, they don't like moving around town to town job to job. He called Columbus "Home". I really think this is a dream job for him, big time program Head Coach, the only upgrade would be NFL head coach. I think Lincoln Riley will be introduced as the Cowboys head coach next year after the cowboys under achieve AGAIN and Oklahoma either barley misses the playoff or gets embarrassed in the first round again. Ryan Day I think will be here 7-10 years unless a Northeast NFL team comes open and its to good to pass up, like someone above mentioned the pats, and maybe jets, giants, eagles, redskins.
I know he is from Northeast but you don’t feel any other geographical location would work. Dallas LA and other southern teams seem pretty good to me. Spending winter in a tax friendly state like Texas where it’s 60 in winter seems better than a tax anchor Buffalo or NY winter in the negatives.
O for sure I wouldn’t rule any location out. I was just going by his comments on the podcast. Sounds like his whole family is still in New Hampshire and IMO that area might be the one thing that could pull him away from here. It sounds like him and his family really love Columbus and plan on being here for awhile. i really enjoyed AJs interview with him, it’s worth a listen if u haven’t heard it yet.
I don't think NFL head coach is necessarily an upgrade over Ohio State head coach. Is the coach of Jacksonville a bigger deal or coach of Ohio State? Arizona or Ohio State? The pay really isn't any different now and the odds of staying longer are far greater in college, plus you can win more and you have more control over whether you win. To me, the blue blood college football jobs are much better than almost any NFL job.
I think everything about recruiting would be horrendous. Going to the NFL would be appealing just on that alone.
Not if you have to deal with an incompetent GM who's constantly handing you a horrible team (and there's a lot more bad GMs in the NFL than there are good ones).
Not for the HC. The assistants have to travel and grovel on social media. If you are the HC at somewhere like tOSU, meeting you/discussing stuff seriously is the inner circle for recruits-most of the bs has already been sifted.
I agree, one thing I would say though is recruiting sounds horrible. ZS laid out the schedule of a coach on his last podcast it sounds like a nightmare. I could see the appeal of the NFL for a coach.
I am going with Day, but who knows at this point?
It would suck if it were true but silver lining your coach being poached for the NFL means he did a good job. Well, not if you are Texas Tech but besides that.
As a Steelers fan, I suspect that Belichick is an evil wizard who will never retire and Tom Brady sold his soul to keep playing like he does. If that means Day stays at OSU (assuming he's mega-successful, of course), Steelers be damned! I hope the Pats job never opens up.
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Riley will be gone within 2 years. The Baker Mayfield team was his chance.
If Oklahoma's defense continues to struggle even under Grinch I could see Riley making the jump in a couple years. Day has deeper NFL ties than Riley does but I think he wants to firmly establish himself at OSU first before he considers going back to the pros (and he also could be looking at how his mentor Chip Kelly completely crashed and burned in the NFL and saying "Hard pass").
I think both go to NFL with continued success. We as fans love college football. Most (most not every most)coaches consider NFL the pinnacle of thier profession. Money really isnt an issue. OSU pays as does NFL. I think it all matters if coaches consider it the peak and want to push themselves. If they do then they leave. Courting teenagers for three years and wrking inside the confines of the NCAA or dealing with millionaires in a union. Recruiting to me seems very tedious and round the clock. I think they are gone considering age and both run NFL style offenses
Living in Oklahoma this question is brought up a lot.. a lot of bias people say 15-20 years. I think Riley is probably gone within 3-5 years. He just doesn’t strike me as a guy that wants to live in Norman for a long time. Living in Dublin and Norman are drastically different. I think Day stays for 10 years then dips for the right NFL job
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If Day wins a national championship and decides he wants to go to the NFL I don’t really care if he’s only here like 3 years. I’ll make that trade every time.
There both not going anywhere
Ryan Day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time.
I'll say Day. Oklahoma is actually in a much tougher recruiting situation than Ohio State and without consistent, elite recruiting then Oklahoma is the same as Nebraska. They rely on all their players coming from out of state, especially Texas. The flagship Texas schools are on the rise again (Texas, A&M). Programs like tOSU, LSU, etc. are taking some of the top talent. TCU, Ok State and Nebraska will get some recruits as well. Its going to get harder for Oklahoma to sustain top level recruiting over time. Their other base is southern California/Az. If USC or UCLA ever decide to get competitive then it'll be really tough to get enough top players to Norman.
They've been nationally relevant since Bob Stoops took over in the late 90's. I think they're here to stay regardless of what Texas or USC does to their recruiting base. Maybe not top 4 every year but top 10 as a floor. They might not have the fertile grounds we have at TOSU but they seem to have a large geographical pull from the Midwest to the West coast and down to the south in Texas.
I agree with current relevance but that can change very quickly. Their neighboring school, Nebraska, is an excellent example of that happening. Since 2002 Oklahoma has gotten >41% of their recruits from TX, less than 20% from OK and less than 9% from California. That leaves them without a strong base of their own and really vulnerable to the TX schools recruiting success. By contrast, Ohio State has had almost 50% of its recruits come from Ohio in the same time period with Florida at around 11 percent coming in second. After that its pretty evenly spread in the low single digits across PA, GA, TX, Va, MI, NJ, CA, etc. We're much less vulnerable to what happens in any one region of the rest of the country for recruiting success
Not saying that Riley can't be successful, just saying that OK is much more vulnerable to a downturn in recruiting than schools like OSU, LSU, GA, etc. that have a built in base and selectively add from the rest of the country.
I could see both Day and Riley at their respective current jobs for the long term.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Day will stay. I mean, why leave?
Day has a young family. They love Columbus. They have said repeatedly they want to put down roots, well here at Ohio St he will be well compensated, and if he wins national titles can become legendary. If Day wins a national title within a couple years, sure teams will come calling, and all we have to do is say how much are they offering? Match it and increase his compensation further. Ohio St has deeper pockets than a lot of nfl teams.
I really don't see him leaving anytime soon
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
I honestly have the feeling that neither is long for the world of D1 college football as there will be plenty of NFL teams looking to poach them.
I think Riley has a little more of an NFL lean at this point so I'll say him.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I'm curious as to why Kirby Smart hasn't been contacted as he runs a similar pro style offense with a usually solid defense or even Dabo. Riley runs a solid offense but with as poor as their defense has been if I were an NFL GM I would be nervous to hire him (still don't understand the Kliff hire) Day is unproven and I think it will take a few seasons before we know if he would be cut out for an NFL gig.
Can this darn offseason hurry up and be over? I miss fooseball!
It seems like NFL owners are willing to offer a head coach position to get whoever they think is the best QB coach. The idea is that the assistants can do a competent job with the rest, but you have to make the QB special. Its a bold strategy Cotton, we'll see how it works out for them.