Just a heads up, Court Williams should be Kourt Williams.
Most likely the accursed spell check strikes again!
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
If Hafley reels in Elias Ricks this cycle I will bow and pray at the feet of the statue I will build in his likeness
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
The two young buck coaches are doin’ some serious work! We are so lucky to have them.
These cats keep outdoing themselves.
Fields of Dreams
They are absolutely killing it
Ironically the glue that holds all this together, Mark Pantoni, is not eligible to be considered on the list. Thankfully Meyer and now Day, along with Gene Smith, know his value.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
"What makes these achievements even more impressive is that both assistants coaches are in their first seasons at the Big Ten level and at Ohio State recruiting for the Buckeyes."
Well done, Coaches H & H...keep up the great work. Here's to many more impressive achievements down the road.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Regardless of what happens on the field in 2019, I expect the Buckeyes will continue to sign top-5 or top-10 recruiting classes going forward, however, if Ohio State makes the playoffs or wins a National Championship this year, I'm thinkin' Day and company will land the first-ever #1 recruiting class for the Buckeyes, whether it's in 2021 or beyond.
Granted, the Buckeyes have actually finished #1 a couple of times under Urban Meyer per the average ranking of recruits in said classes, but in those very same years, OSU didn't sign quite as many guys as schools like Alabama did, so they didn't get the "official" top ranking overall.
But with the current staff in place, I suspect that's about to change.
I like what you're saying here CC, and agree with all of it....and I'd like to add that I value winning the "average rank per recruit" waaaaaayyy more than the "official" top ranking overall. The number of recruits, which is a large portion of what you referred to as the the "official" ranking, is more a reflection of the current roster and previous recruiting classes. Many things go into the number of spots available on the current roster, and most of those factors have no direct correlation to the ranking of incoming commits. Sometimes a team has more scholarships available because previous classes were awesome and many left early for the NFL. Or sometimes more spots are available because the previous class had a bunch of "misses" who ended of dropping out, getting arrested, transferring etc. A smaller # of spots may be due to stability in the program and kids who love playing college ball, 5th year seniors. There are just so many variables in both directions that influence the number of scholarships available. I'd much rather focus current recruiting rankings on average rank per player than a metric that includes number of commits.
We need to hire a similarly elite recruiter for the OL.
Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick
? Our recruiting there has been super.
Kind of hard to fire a coach on a offense that was number two in the land. In my eyes number one because the B 12 plays no defense. How ever recruiting would be the only out for OSU to fire him but he turned it up with this years haul at Oline. There will always be a coach that most of us dislike and Studs has taken the lead there since Davis is gone. You can't forget Haskins was clean most of the year and rarely touched. I think too we are recruiting giants that pass block and last years line was shifted that way too with Jordon to center. How ever the run game suffered and I think it was the line more than the backs as Webber wasn't lights out either.
My gripe with the OL recruiting is the drop off in talent from top to bottom. We have a couple elite guys and then the other half are reaches. Johnson doesn't reach. Hartline doesn't reach. Stud reaches.
Amen!! The biggest disappointment this offseason was learning that Day was going to retain Dudrawa.
Let it go Salty. Seriously. You have no clue what type of coach or recruiter Stud is. ZERO.
I’m going to guess you think ZERO of the 2020 OL recruits was affected him. How convenient.
Stud has done a fine job with the OL. We missed on a lot of prospects before he got here, and all he did was build a line that allowed Haskins to set every OSU QB record. Because of some misses at G by the prior staff he made it work.
Look at the last few classes, Wyatt Davis, Josh Myers, NPF, Harry Miller, now Paris JJ, and Luke Wylper. What more do you want? Please elaborate.
I will pound and pound you until you quit
- Woody Hayes
Stud has recruited the O-line better than Warinner did when he was here. The problem is he's not as good at developing players as Warinner was.
Fair point, but Stud has also produced 2 Rimington winners. Sure the line played great under Warriner, but Stud has done just fine to me.
Actually that's not correct. Elflein won the Rimington Award in 2016 which was Warinner's last season here. As far as Price goes, yes, he won the Rimington Award in 2017 (Stud's first season) but he was also pretty close to a finished project as an offensive lineman by the time Stud got here so I don't really credit him for his development. I DO credit Stud for improving Isaiah Prince's play (his one year as the starter at RT under Warinner was a complete disaster) and for the work he did with Munford last season.
Well then please go on the OSU football official page and change it for me
Studrawa has already coached two major award winners – Rimington Trophy winners Pat Elflein and Billy Price – and three All-Americans at Ohio State: Elflein, Price and Michael Jordan this past season. His 2016 offensive line was one of three finalists for the Joe Moore Offensive Line Award.
I just looked it up and apparently Stud was hired in 2016 (he was at Maryland prior to that I believe). I didn't realize Warinner got moved to TEs during his final year at OSU.
He didn't. Hinton was demoted to bring in Kevin Wilson.
I wonder if Thomas has grade issues after all these Power 5 offers. No disrespect to what Luke is doing at UC.
There has to be some reason other than football because his football ability and rating is considerably above several players we already accepted. I would have liked to see them play at OSU together.
His length at linebacker could be an asset, but his greatest potential lies at defensive end, where his 6-foot-5 and lean frame could pay dividends for the right role on the defensive line.
Thomas is not even 6-3, much less 6-5. While 6-2.5 is good height for a LB, it’s far from ideal for a DE. I don’t think he was ever an option, whether he switched positions or not.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
So what position does Jaheim want to play? As the poster said above I dont think he was ever a tale either. With names like Kourt Williams out there, he would have been a late addition if needed
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
Once he signs he will play where the coach wants him to play. These kids get a big wake up call once they sign and no longer in control of things. These deals rarely work out once crunch time comes around you need to think of your future not your partners. Thomas is not as talented and no longer a big fish in a small pond it's big time now and it shows by his teams he has to pick from.
Not true at all. If told they will be given an opportunity at a certain position, that’s exactly what happens. If it works out, fine. If not, they change positions. If you tell a kid one thing and do another as a staff, it gets out there and a bad reputation comes about.
Somehow Billy The Groomsman couldn't manage to parlay 20+ yrs of NFL experience into a competent LB unit, even with UFM's recruiting prowess in tow. Go figure, the new guys have got things rolling smoothly.
J Thomas is a Dantonio recruit if there ever was one.
Hafley and Hartline will never leave here unless they go to the NFL. Hartline I see as a coach that could be happy as a position coach. Think what you want he has never been around anything but playing wide receiver. Hafley may be the one that wants more like a head coach or return to the NFL. With all the coaching changes in the league I wonder why no offers from the NFL.
Hartline will be an OC in the future. I'd actually bet he is the next OSU coach. Thinking he is the WRs coach for 3-4 years, continues the elite recruiting, etc, all the while learning playcalling from Day and Wilson. Once Wilson retires, again thinking 5 years-ish, I think Day will promote Hartline as the play caller. If it works out well, he will be there for a few years, and get an NFL/P5 job. When Day finally calls it at OSU Hartline will have experience and name recognition.
I am anxious to see Hafley and Hartline upgrade the level of play on the field for the Buckeyes. Not that it was all that lacking in the past, but with the recruits they bring in, taking that talent to another level seems very exciting.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
The better talent you do less coaching on fundamentals and more time coaching the game. You have only so many hours with these kids and spending time to do the simple things takes away from game situations and learning the defense. Another reason some 3 star kids become better players for they pick up quickly and maybe had poor coaching in high school.
Not true. If you’ve seen a CFB practice they absolutely do a LOT of fundamentals
Agree I didn't explain very well. Not all high school coach's are that great and some times people that know little about the position they are coaching. Players go to college and don't know some things that are pretty basic to kids from bigger high school programs with better coaching. My son went to OSU camps from the 9th grade up and was way above the curve of the others on the team and players he played against. Just those few hours in 2 days can jump start you. That's why kids OSU like are pulled off to the side to learn the finer points of the game and things they are doing wrong. Even Coldwater as good as that program is year to year probably doesn't get the coaching of a lets say Lakewood St. Edwards of the world.
All I know is that if one looks at the current player rankings and sees who has committed to Clemson and who are leaning to Clemson their defense is going to be one sick Mo Fo. How they are able to continue to haul in the DL's that they get is unreal
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I know it happens everywhere but what pisses me off about the sporting news machine that is ESPN is that they are incredibly biased towards the SEC and now the ACC with their investments in the networks. A reporter got wind that OSU students had recieved free tattoos and ESPN sent everyone they had to our campus. The effing FBI wire tap had Clemson's basketball coach on record saying that he wants to pay players like Dabo does. Multiple players tested positive for Banned performance enhancing substances. And yet, outside of some tweets was there anything from this? Nope. It's so sad that a once favorite network of mine is so biased on their opinions that they refuse to go after actual stories.
So apparently after Henry committed, all of the SEC offers to Thomas suddenly vanished...….imagine how that kid feels. Oh well, whatever it takes right......I'm glad we didn't play game
No. We should totally offer all three. They're a package deal!!!
Hafley and Hartline have now created a standard – even though Hafley isn't finished with Court Williams – that will carry on into the 2021 class, which could shape up to be as impressive, if not more, as the 2020 class is proving to be.
Keep it up fellas; as long as the coaches can help direct all this talent correctly and the results on field are congruent with the talent level, Buckeye football looks to be in VERY good shape!
(The craziest thing I thought was that after 2 of the top 3, there wasn't another Buckeye coach until Day at 70 and no others in the top 100. I know that there are a TON of schools out there, but to have such a high national ranking, I figured there may be another. Not that it matters in the long run provided the talent keeps showing up on campus, but I guess it just surprised me.)