Caesar's Sportsbook Odds to Win Nat'l Championship

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BrutusB's picture

Lol at Michigan but otherwise those make sense 

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OSU_Hammy's picture

I believe 1$ wins 10$

Buckeye Til I Die

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

At least I'm not the only one who didn't have a working brain this morning

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Triv's picture

+XYZ means if you bet $100, you win XYZ. So $100 to win $1000 for OSU, which could also be expressed as 10/1

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Good call. Needed my morning coffee before my brain started working apparently. 

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mittenst8buck's picture

Maybe if you bet on Kent State.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

I wouldn't bet on them to win the MAC

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BrutusB's picture

You can go bigger than that.  Rutgers, Illinois, UNLV, Oregon State and Nevada listed at 10000-1

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Smitty516's picture

Lovie Smith with those odds? I’m bout to make it rain dolla bills in January...

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allinosu's picture

They know UM fans are suckers so they tempt them just enough. I would doubt they pay writers to say this is UMs year just so they shit themselves and throw down the money.

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Eph97's picture

Yeah right, the team that has won 1/2 a natty in the last 70 years is going to win one. That list is more like "which one does not belong here".

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BuckeyeInNE's picture

That logic means Georgia has no chance too!?

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you!"

 

- Woody Hayes

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Extramedium's picture

Georgia does have no chance 

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Zonabuck's picture

Is this a critical year for Kirby?  That dude gets all the talent in the world, but his teams don’t finish. I don’t think he’s another Richt, but Georgia has been hyped up almost to Alabama levels since he took over. I think he needs to show something this year. 

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milhouse4588's picture

To be fair, UGA has shown plenty. The issue is that they are guaranteed to play Alabama every year and beating them is a doozy. Bama has also had about 8 years head start over Kirby.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Ya, it comes down to expectation. If Georgia thinks its one of the three best programs in the nation (and its not, that is OSU, Clemson, and Bama) then you have to beat Bama. Otherwise you aren't anything special regardless.

Each team-Clemson, Bama, and OSU-sets the pace for their conference. You want serious contention you have to beat them with consistency and so far no one has done it. UGA should put Smart on the hotseat if they aren't ok with good enough.

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milhouse4588's picture

Completely disagree with some of this take.

UGA has definitely been better than "good enough". I'd consider their level of success on par, maybe slightly below, with ours the last couple of years. Since 2014 they have made the playoffs the same number of times as us, and have actually had more success (amazing game against Bama that went to OT they eventually lost). They just happen to have one of the two superpowers in CFB right now in their conference in Bama. If we had Alabama or Clemson in our conference we'd probably look just the same as UGA right now, and who knows how we'd play them comparatively.

We set the pace for our conference, but our conference has not been especially powerful up top other than us for a few years. If we don't perform well the Big Ten realistically has almost no shot at a notable post season.

According to your own qualifications we aren't "anything special regardless" either.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Buckeye06's picture

Yea, if you took 2017 and 2018 would you rather have UGA's results or OSU's results?  It's a good question

OSU - 2X B1G champ, Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl wins, 3 total losses (lost 2 games in 2017)

UGA - SEC Champ, National Title Runner up (including a playoff win over an OU team that beat OSU that season), SECe champ, loss to UT in Sugar bow.  So they are 1-2 in bowls, but 2/3 were in the playoffs.  

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milhouse4588's picture

Definitely close. I'm not unhappy with our results and love the bowl wins we've had.

UGA didn't give a damn about the bowl game last season so I'm not counting that fully. Yes, your players should always show up regardless of the game on the line but it's a bunch of 18-22 year olds and emotion is a big deal.

I'd rather OSU have made the playoffs and gotten runner up. It'd shut some folks up about the Big Ten and keep us in the conversation for future years. It's better to be in and lose a good game then it is to not be included at all.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

(amazing game against Bama that went to OT they eventually lost)

Kirby Smart has to date not won the biggest game of his career.

They just happen to have one of the two superpowers in CFB right now in their conference in Bama

Exactly my point. And there are three-OSU being the third. They are fine. They are good. They have good seasons. They can not be looked at through the lense of elite until they prove it-which was my point. If UGA is content with this path, then Smart isn't going anywhere.  If they think they are more then they have to win more-and that means THAT game. Last year's SEC title game, the Tua NC game. Georgia-ing is the new Clemson-ing. 

If we had Alabama or Clemson in our conference we'd probably look just the same as UGA right now, and who knows how we'd play them comparatively.

Maybe. Or Maybe OSU smashes them. Sadly a loss in October or November matters more and we got denied at least three chances to find out.

We set the pace for our conference, but our conference has not been especially powerful up top other than us for a few years. If we don't perform well the Big Ten realistically has almost no shot at a notable post season.

The SEC at present is 1.5 teams worth a damn (UGA being the .5) while the ACC is a laughing stock. Only OSU, Bama, and Clemson are under that microscope. UGA isn't because UGA can't win the biggest one while OSU, Bama, and Clemson all have.

According to your own qualifications we aren't "anything special regardless" either.

OSU hasn't lost its biggest games. It's won all of them save for the playoff against Dabo. Their losses were the smaller ones that were allegedly damning enough to prevent grander aspirations.

Clemson, Bama, OSU-in order-are the only special programs in the nation. If UGA thinks its special, Kirby needs to win the biggest ones like Dabo, Nick, and Urban did.

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Buckeye06's picture

Ehhh, OSU is a full recruiting cycle from being with Bama/Clemson.  Let's just face the facts today.  Could they have beaten everyone in 2015 and gone back to back and still been there, hell yea they could have.  Instead the entire team laid an egg against Sparty.

We are closer today to UGA than Clemson/Bama.  To me these are the tiers at this moment:

Clemson/Bama

OSU/UGA/OU

LSU/Washington/Texas

Everyone else

At some point winning the title doesn't keep us at the top.  Since that title, Clemson and Bama have each won 2

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Sloopy1976's picture

Disagree. OSU has some of the best recruiting classes in the country. OSU has separated themselves from UGA and OU. OU has never won a playoff game and has been gifted playoff births due to its schedule in the B12. UGA won one playoff game, and that was vs. OU. UGA is the bridesmaid of the SEC. Fact is, only OSU and Clemson have beaten Bama when it counts, and only Bama has beaten Clemson, which Clemson is the only team to beat OSU. I think OSU is closer to Clemson/Bama than to UGA/OU. Just my opinion. 

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Buckeye06's picture

Since we beat Bama/Oregon in 2014 we have:

A home loss to MSU who Bama beat by 40 and shut out in the playoffs

A fluke loss to a good PSU team

A shutout loss to Clemson 

A 3 possession loss to OU

A blowout loss to Iowa

A blowout loss to Purdue

Our last 4 losses have been blowouts.  Let's just call a spade a spade.  I was ready for Urban to be gone for that reason; he was done.  We lost our last 4 games by 106 points

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Sloopy1976's picture

I just disagree with you and Milhouse. 

CFB is the only major sport without a playoff (we have a +1 system with unclear subjectivity applied to it). Therefore, you can't fully measure a program by its postseason appearances in the cockeyed invitational or wins in the cockeyed invitational. Same thing goes for the BCS...stupid system with usually boring title games (nightmares of LSU/Bama 2 start haunting us). My point is, if you take away the ridiculousness that is the CFB postseason and just put teams on the field, I will take OSU's odds (with their recruiting and pedigree) over OU's or UGA's. Plus, I see people talking about how we cost ourselves a shot at the playoffs when we finished 5th twice in the past 3 years. No...we didn't cost ourselves, the format cost us because...again...CFB doesn't have a playoff. 

To your point about what we have done since 2014...let's take a look: 

B1G Champs in 2017 and 2018

Won the Fiesta (2015), Cotton (2017) and Rose (2018)

Overall record of 48 - 6 (.890 winning percentage) STAGGERING

15 - 3 vs. ranked opponents (.833 winning percentage) STAGGERING

Top 5 recruiting classes every year

And that's since winning the whole damn thing in 2014. If you think OSU isn't in the upper echelon then I don't know what to say to you except I don't ever want to sit next to you during a game. If Dobbins runs for 27 yards on a play you'll probably complain that he didn't get 28 yards. I do agree, however, that Urban held us back a little. We needed fire and hunger the past couple of years to get over the hump and Urban didn't provide that. He knew how to get the boys ready for TTUN (and I'm forever grateful) but it seemed that the rest of the season was more of a grind than a triumph through the conference. I think that will change with Day, and I'm excited for that because I think the talent level is as high as it has ever been in Columbus. 

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Buckeye06's picture

I am absolutely one of the best fans possible for OSU.  I believe they are going to win every game they play and cheer for them to the bitter end.  I am the exact opposite of a negative fan, and actually hate looking over at guys who are mad when OSU is up 38-10 in the 4th quarter and the 3rd string RB for Indiana rips off an 8 yard run.  I don't do that at all so you are completely wrong.

I am looking at a data set of information.  That information say that UGA has played more good teams than OSU has in the past 2 years, and has a very similar overall record.  They also have recruited at an insanely high level.   

Meyer's record at OSU is great, but when you're at OSU and are competing for national championships, you are judged just as much by your losses.  Our losses were AWFUL the last couple of years.  Let's just be clear about that.  We can both agree.  If we lose last year by 10, we have a chance to prove on the field we are better than Bama and Clemson.  I feel in a way you are saying if we got that chance we would prove we belong; but I'm not sure we earned that chance in the first place recently

In the last 4 years, we have not accomplished much more on the field than UGA or OU.  It isn't to say we aren't a top 5 program because we are, but I don't think we are with Clemson or Bama right now.  We may be 3rd, but it the gap to me between 2nd and 3rd is wider than from 3rd to 5th.  

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FieldsofJreams's picture

Let's just call a spade a spade.  I was ready for Urban to be gone for that reason; he was done.

After Urban arrived in Columbus, tOSU is tied for the lowest number of losses since 2012.  AWFUL take, bro.

tOSU - 9

Bama - 9

Clemson - 11

OU - 18

UGA - 23

I think the CFB pecking order right now is pretty simple.  Bama, Clemson and tOSU on top.  All three have only lost to each other in the CFP. 

OU and UGA in the 2nd-Tier.  UGA is really close, but OU has just taken advantage of a weak conference.  Not sure if both can maintain their recent levels of success w/o Baker or Fromm at QB.

The 3rd-Tier is made up of probably Auburn, LSU, ND, PSU, Texas, TTUN, USC and Washington.  Schools that recruit well enough to annually be in the playoff conversation but are held up by either coaching, non-elite QB-play or are roadblocked in-conference by a dominant power.   

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milhouse4588's picture

Other than the title in 2014, which this season will be 5 years ago (which is long enough to stop riding on its coattails), what makes you believe we belong in the "elite" category?

Our recruiting is elite, but the performance overall as a team absolutely can't be considered on the same level as Bama/Clemson. We have nothing more that UGA to show for our efforts in 16, 17, or 18. It's just a fact.

We are the cream of the crop in the Big Ten but that's about it and that means nothing when we've gotten pasted in our last handful of losses.

We may be able to win the big games, but unfortunately you also have to win the not-so-big games to be able to say you're elite and we haven't been able to do that the last few years either.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Extramedium's picture

1 loss seasons don’t indicate a general inability to win not-so-big games.  I’m not sure what they do indicate given the perplexing nature of those rare losses, but it’s not that we don’t win an absurd number of “normal” games.

At least admit that if Bama had lost those games rather than us, it would be used as an indicator of the overall strength of the SEC rather than an indication that something is wrong at Bama.

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Buckeye06's picture

Bama got blown out in its last game; the entire offseason has been about what's wrong with Bama.

If Bama had gotten blown out by Ole Miss and Vanderbilt the last 2 years, yes people would be questioning them 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I was at the MGM yesterday and Ohio State was 8:1 in their sports book. 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Heavy OSU money moving the needle I wonder?

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saintstephen11's picture

OSU record last three years vs. Georgia's record under Smart.

Georgia: 32-10

OSU: 36 -5

The top five are in three tiers:

1. Clemson/Alabama

2. OSU

3. Georgia/OU

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Sloopy1976's picture

I can get behind this, and while OU/OSU played on the field twice and split the series, I would still put OSU in a tier of its own compared to UGA/OU. I might say...

1. Clemson/Bama

1A. OSU

2. UGA/OU

194,129. TTUN

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Buckeye06's picture

I'm not really against this, but if you just take the last 2 years for your sample, OSU/OU/UGA are basically identical right?

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FieldsofJreams's picture

That argument falls apart when you look at what OU and UGA did b4 Baker and Fromm.  Bama, Clemson and tOSU have maintained their level of play w/ at least four different starting QB's.  

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