Their "relationship" is bizarre. Glad he finally moved on from Epstein.
As has been said about politics, money and influence make strange bedfellows.
"Ohio State said that Jeffrey Epstein had anonymously donated... $2.5 million to the school in 2007. That money was pooled with $2.5 million from... Leslie H. Wexner to name the Les Wexner Football Complex."
What should be the new name?
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
If I, as an Ohio State alum and donor, conducted business with a known sexual predator who I was not aware was a sexual predator at the time we did business and I was not personally complicit in his crimes, would Ohio State stop accepting my money? Granted, I’m not a billionaire or a celebrity like Les Wexner but the same rule should be applied to everyone. Assuming Wexner has nothing to hide and hasn’t lied, at the present, this should die here. But, of course, it won’t.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
The offseason is on the run, dont let up now.
Think before you comment.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Hope you have the mod cavalry backing you up tonight, Hove! (I’m being halfway facetious)
In all seriousness, though, we shouldn’t tar and feather everyone who rubbed shoulders with Epstein. None of us know what Wexner (or anyone who did business with Epstein, for that matter) wondered, surmised, heard, or knew about him and his “private island”... And even if a person had no clue, how horrible would they feel knowing they helped finance it??
I'm no high roller but I had heard of the Lolita Express and the private island years and years ago. I just didn't know who the passengers were. Since everyone turned a blind eye to it I thought it must be an urban legend.
I still wonder why it was ignored for so many years.
Success - it's what you do with what you've got. - Woody Hayes
Dark to light. Once you see who the players are, and the level of evil, you’ll understand that it took basically a white hat revolution and a “movement” to take down an entrenched cabal. Enjoy the show.
The soldier is my son. The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.
This guy knows^^^ ;)
Now you're saying Urban was involved????? /s
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That guy owns or once owned a swingers club in Columbus.
A) If that’s a known fact, it apparently hasn’t been a problem for him before, and B) there’s a big difference between consenting adults and some creep having sex with underage girls. While the former is questionable, it’s certainly not illegal. I am not here to judge nor excuse Wexner because he’s not someone whose personal life has held an iota’s interest for me but let’s keep this focused on his relationship with Epstein since that’s what has him in the spotlight right now.
"This draft statement looks good Les, but I'd add the 'someone I employed more than a decade ago' redline to emphasize a point."
-Limited Brands Publicity Consultant
I thought the exact same thing when I read it. Doesn’t really fit in the sentence but trying to make a point.
As an employee I would find it odd that the owner of the company that I work for would apologize to me for something a business associate did in his past. I work for you and you don't owe my any explanation regarding a third parties activities. I don't need to know why you divorced your wife either or why your child ended up hooked on drugs or how your daughter got preggers.
I’d normally agree, but I read a ton of articles this past week that basically said no one knows where Epstein got all his money EXCEPT for the money he got from Wexner back in the day. This statement was likely to clarify the extent of their relationship.
It's funny how when this stuff comes to light, no one ever knew what was going on. Then it turns out EVERYONE KNEW WHAT WA S GOING ON. Sadly, this guy was around a lot of super wealthy, and powerful folks, so in the end, Epstein may his balls nailed to the wall (rightfully so) but many others who knew and sat silent, or worse will get off with no consequences at all.
So true. What you ignore, you empower.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he, Epstein, soon "commits suicide". As you pointed out, he was connected with a lot of wealthy and powerful people, so.....
If what is alleged is true, a lot of people who belong behind bars will breath easier if he was silenced.
He’s already been roughed up in jail...he’ll be dead within a year.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
For those who did worse than sit silent there may well be consequences if Epstein doesn't sit silent. I'd think it would be quite an incentive for him not to wind up in the general population for the rest of his days. This isn't exactly white-collar crime we're taking about, so Federal country club might be a hell of an incentive to name names.
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I propose a forum moratorium on the Wexner-Epstein axis as it is in no way an Ohio State story and won't be until they take Wexner's name off stuff, and even then it's not really an Ohio State story.
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Not that I don’t agree with you.
Here's the test. If mgoblog had some forum topic about how corrupted Ohio State is for Les Wexner's business dealings with Epstein we'd all roll our eyes & lol.
That would true for some random donor, but Les is a different breed. Refer to our university hospital or center for the arts if you need help understanding why.
Not that it has anything to do with OSU, but you could also point to the entire city of New Albany for an example of Les's donations. He practically built the entire city
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Don't forget to mention that Epstein was a financier and partner in that little construction project. It would appear that he and Les were pretty cozy.
and Franklin Roosevelt worked with Joe Stalin.
Larry Johnson worked with Jerry Sandusky.
Just because urban Meyer worked with Zach Smith, doesn't mean he was over at the Smith's every weekend doing keg stands and belly shots.
Franklin Roosevelt worked with Joe Stalin
That's an interesting interpretation of history and the earth's safety hanging in the balance.
EB..."interpretation of history" ?? Millions of tons of gasoline, nearly 500,000 trucks, jeeps and tanks along with 14,000 airplanes were supplied to Russia thru the Lend Lease Program to help defeat the Nazi's. Add in over 15 million combat boots and nearly 5 million tons of food ; that is no 'interpretation' of what FDR did to help save the world . Sometimes unlikely alliances are necessary to defeat a common enemy .
Well-stated. I think I was taking your last sentence first (which was my feeling), but in consideration of Stalin's many atrocities, your points make a lot of sense.
So now we're only to discuss OSU related stuff? That's going to be hard on certain posters...
Discuss away then I guess, but it's decidedly not an Ohio State story. I guess that's my beef -- it's about Ohio State only to the extent that we accept it as such.
I now propose that if we're staying on the Epstein track we shift it Clintoncentric.
I already got shot down for connecting it presidentially, so I'm going to go with, "negative ghost rider, the pattern is full."
I now propose that if we're staying on the Epstein track we shift it Clintoncentric
This poster posted an article about Ohio State's largest donor. Like it or not, that makes it, decidedly, related to Ohio State (albeit only financially, athletics was maybe not the right forum). Wexner and Epstein literally financed $5M of the WHAC if I recall correctly.
You are advocating that we make things political, which is against site policy.
Do you really not see the difference?
1.) It was a joke.
2.) This ends, possibly, in some stuff on campus getting renamed. Or maybe not: the Blackwell is still the Blackwell.
What do you think of the mgoblog test?
I mean, if they phrased it the way you said (as OSU being corrupt due to Wexner's ties with Epstein) then of course we'd roll our eyes because it's skewing the headline. That's not what is being done here though. It's news related to OSU, being shared on an OSU website. If Stephen Ross gets tied to Epstein there will undoubtedly be a thread about him and his Michigan ties that pops up here as well.
I agree that worst case scenario for OSU is the medical center and arts center being renamed, nothing further than that.
Roger got screwed by his soft-spined buddy that rolled over on him, and besides, the general public doesn't get too up in arms over small-scale insider trading.
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As the article states, Wexner cut ties with Epstein years ago when the allegations first surfaced. Even though the relationship between the two from the outside seems a little bizarre, I'll reserve judgement until everything comes out.
Going from memory..but I believe he cut ties after the first conviction and imprisonment. But before that they were very close.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
What do expect him to say?......that he was highly involved?
Folks-we need to follow the lead of every SEC program, as well as Clemson, and North Caroline and just be quiet! Why do we insist on bringing down our programs? Epstein had ties to Presidents for pete's sake.. The guy was connected to the most wealthy and powerful people in the country. Let's not make this an Ohio State issue!
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posted on the plain dealer, epstein has donation ties to the program
Not surprised. It's not uncommon for guys like that to solicit donations from the people they're doing business with.
I also don't think colleges should get into the business of returning donations from individuals that later end up on the wrong side of the law, unless they're there because the money they gave was gotten through illegal means.
lots of strings attached to this web, just give it some time to unwind and see were the facts and evidence take us, i am not making any predictions or jumping to any conclusions at this point in time
FP...in the money mgmt biz...so trust me when I say his source of wealth is highly suspect...only know client was Les...and his background did not lend itself to managing a billionaires assets. Facts may never come out...but a case could be made that some of it came from blackmail. You keep photos and records in a safe for a reason.
Its high time Les and his money take a hike. Wasnt he on the board of directors while Strauss was molesting students?
Don't shoot the messenger here, but I saw this:
It seemed to be potentially related to details in this article:
That blog is trash. It's all based on the Bloomberg article mentioning a real estate transfer, there's nothing there to indicate Wexner "gave" Epstein a mansion. (transfer is the fancy word for moving real estate from one owner to another, it does not mean it was moved without consideration)
I wouldn't say you should be shot as messenger, but a flogging is warranted for spreading salacious, speculative garbage.
Wexner, 81, hasn’t been accused of wrongdoing in the case charging Epstein of molesting girls from 2002 to 2005.
I thought the case was about NEW suspected molestation and not the cases that have already been closed?
Just because a man donates money or even time to good causes, does not make that man a good person. Sort of like the old saying, "a man who is nice to you, but mean to the waiter, is not a nice person."
Agreed, many donations are done as part of a long term business plan and to get access to movers.
Is Harry Wexner still involved at 11W or was that just a temp gig? Maybe he knows something...because I sure don't.
Not great: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/business/jeffrey-epstein-wexner-victo...
People should not dismiss this Wexner/Epstein stuff. Epstein allegedly managed Wexner's money, but famous hedge fund managers have questioned Epstein's legitimacy (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/hedge-funders-have-some-thoughts-...). In the article I cited, Doug Kass is a well known, well respected money manager and he reached out to various of the dealers he trades with and none of them said they ever did a trade with Epstein, implying Epstein was not managing money at least actively (I don't believe he was just a buy and hold of the S&P 500...no reason to pay someone to do this for you). Whitney Tilson, also a famous, reputable fund manager questions Epstein. Epstein doesn't even have a back office or anything to support his financial advisory work. This is highly suspicious. Even Bernie Madoff, the greatest fraudster of a generation, had a back office to support trading and administrative work.
There is some legitimacy to the potential that Epstein blackmailed a lot of very powerful people for economic gain and/or political influence. There are people far more well known and powerful than Wexner that have suspicious relationships with Epstein and his girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell. This story is not going away anytime soon.
Does this matter for Ohio State? I think not, but they did take a $2.5 million donation from Epstein (as did Harvard). I'd be donating that money to a noble cause if I were OSU. I highly, highly, highly doubt OSU is complicit in anything on this but I'd want absolutely nothing to do with any money from this guy.
Dismiss it....? Maybe not, but we as bystanders are not affected by the situation, other than a potential wound on our college program of choice. How up in arms can somebody be over a situation we have zero control over?
People get pretty up in arms over situations they have no control over all of the time on this site. That is, unless, all users here are secretly OSU athletes or coaches.
I saw a lot of comments in this thread implying "nothing to see here" when Wexner made his statement two weeks ago. Ohio State University even made a comment two weeks ago about the donation they received from Epstein, publicly noting they were reviewing the donations. Wexner obviously has importance in Columbus and to Ohio State, and he has very close ties to Epstein even after a sexual assault at Wexner's mansion in the 1990's. This is a fairly material matter of reputation for the school.
My thoughts exactly. We're not talking about Joe Schmoe Buckeye Club season ticket holder here. We're talking about the wealthiest man in Ohio and the largest donor to our university... a guy who at best was heavily financially related to someone who is now a part of an international scandal and felony charges. This is going to be very interesting to watch going forward.
the nytimes article has opened up a whole new angle on this and confuirms the need to have more distance put between OSU and Les and possibly his wife - a current BOD Trustee - is she qualified to make decisions on the Strauss fiasco?
How would one situation influence the other? Unless you think she's somewhat culpable for the Epstein garbage (which would seem to be a gigantic stretch).
If her husband is embroiled in a sex scandal involving his most trusted advisor and his publicly traded company and all three have or have had financial ties to the university in the millions of dollars range then i think the conflict of interest is clear. Her input into anything related to strauss is tainted if 1/10th of what we are hearing is legit
Wexner makes a public statement today
Not buying it.. he still gave his money man WAY TOO MUCH power for some reason he has yet to explain. Countless money folks have said they've never seen a business deal this cozy... it still doesn't add up..
I agree that I think he gave him too much power over his money but it's possible that Epstein was just a hell of a salesman to Wexner on his knowledge of tax loopholes and the use of legal offshore accounts. Have to give many of these people the benefit of the doubt until proof comes out that they were involved in anything malicious, be it tax evasion, bribes, money laundering, prostitution (underage or legal age), etc. Hopefully if these people were involved in corrupt practices the truth and proof is able to come out. I won't hold my breath though...
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I'm not in the malicious camp and hope it never goes there.. I still wonder if these two didn't have some sort of relationship. That explains all of it and why he would do the things he did with his money. Wexner booted his Mom off the board for this guy, he bought them condos next to each other... and now he wants us to believe a billionaire running a billion dollar company only had one person ever checking the books?
it's just never added up.
Yeah I certainly have my questions. The fact that it doesn't sound like Epstein had other clients makes it even more odd. If he was so good then others would have been flocking his way to run their accounts.
"Year for what?"
It is virtually impossible for someone on suicide watch to kill them selves in prison. Especially a high profile prisoner like this guy.
Without going on and breaching 11W rules, Ill just leave it at that.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Soooooo, we are assuming one individual linked to him, is more devious than the others linked to him....or others not yet linked to him. I call that jumping to conclusions on a lack of information.
Look, this is a notch on someone's body count. Just pick one. (I picked 2 but the first was ill-advised)
Yeah just pick somebody to say shity things about that might not be true. The Hot Take opportunity is too amazing to pass up.
Look, this is a notch on someone's body count. Just pick one. (I picked 2 but the first was ill-advised)
Actually untrue. A study from 2010 showed that fewer than 2% of jails had around the clock observation of those on suicide watch. 8% of those under suicide watch in jail killed themselves. That's a pretty high number when you take into account that there are procedures and observation and if assuming a decent percentage of those people are on watch but wouldn't actually kill themselves during that time. Checking every 15 minutes was found to be the standard in most jails.
Holy Cow. Not to mix my metaphors, but this case has gone down the rabbit hole for sure now.
May God have mercy on your soul, Mr. Epstein.
Yep. Not buying it. He was either murdered or snuck out the back door to go into hiding.
I’m sure the media will just move on from this story too now and not demand answers, not that we would get them anyways. Should be a huge outrage though on how they would have let this happen.
Wow. This is so, so shady.
Dead men tell no tales...
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Hopefully, he got it recorded into a deposition before his suicide. There are, with near 100% certainty, a lot of perverts who need to be held accountable for their actions.
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I’m not usually one for CT, but, it’s pretty clear that this guy was flat-out whacked, Mafia-style. I’m not going to speculate as to who ordered said whacking, but, let’s just say that there are quite a few high-profile people who are breathing a sigh of relief.
Respecting the fact that no posters have put names forward (I can't see the removed posts), I agree with RBloodworth's suggestion, meaning it's in everyone's best interests (both sides of the aisle, the penal system and DOJ, obviously the victims and their families, even Epstein's family) for a thorough, top-to-bottom investigation.