Victor may only get his 20 some catches again this year or he may break out as we all hope. But, it does not matter to anyone but himself. There are more options than ever for the receiver rotation. It is totally up to Victor if he becomes a big part of this offense.
I just hope they don't sacrifice Wilson's chances for the "veteran". Dude has made 1 play since becoming a buckeye.
Ironically, there was a time when it was said that Mack/Victor were sacrificed for the “veterans”, Lol!
I'd really love to see Victor put up some crazy stats this year, but with Olave, Mack, Wilson, Hill and the rest of zone 6 I don't know if there are enough touches to go around.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
Too many WR to key on I think that's something defenses will have to think about!!!!!!! Who are you going to key in on?
Maybe with this 1 additional year with Coach Hartline can turn him into the offensive threat all the time. A lot of young talent knocking on the door to get into that offense. Should act as extreme motivation.
I hope so, but its up to him to make that happen. There is only so much a coach can do. And we all know that it isn't the coach. Personally, I think at this point he is what he is. A guy that will make a big play in a few games that make you think about what could be. I also think he will be a late bloomer. If an NFL team is willing to stick with him for a few years I think he will be a very good receiver.
Last year was supposedly the first year Victor actually took the blocking aspect of his job seriously. I definitely credit Hartline for that (and fault ZS for NOT getting him out of that anti-blocking rut in his first two seasons).
I don’t fault Zach Smith for that one bit. Run blocking was never a problem before under Smith. It’s just that some guys don’t want to, and won’t until they grow up. Zach Smith just happened to leave before Victor grew up.
Considering how much of an absentee coach Zach was towards the end of his time here (showing up late for work constantly, blowing off recruiting visits to go to strip clubs, jerking off with sex toys in his office as opposed to actually doing his job) I absolutely fault him. There was a significant lack of development among the WRs prior to last season (I know people love to blame JT for that but prior to last season Campbell was downright allergic to catching the football at times and McLaurin and Dixon struggled to get open consistently) and as far as Victor not "growing up" goes look at the overgrown manchild his position coach was his first two years? That's not exactly a great example to draw from.
There definitely was a lack of development... in the passing game. There never has a run blocking problem. Outside of Victor, everyone was a willing and able run blocker. I’m not saying Zach Smith was a great coach, but you gotta be fair to him in that receivers under his watch always blocked.
Maybe Zach should have been the TE coach instead of the WR coach...
I don't buy that and think Smith was on the job and that part of his life was fine. We never heard a peep about Smith until his family matters came out. Agree or not Smith was a fine coach here but Hartline so far is doing better but still a small sample size to judge what he does down the line. For Victor his problem is he is scared and lazy. Looking at him he hasn't gotten bigger or stronger after two or three years here. He fumbles the ball and can't catch a pass. Even the PSU catch was bobbled. You can't be a wide receiver when you have alligator arms and looking through your ear hole of your helmet. I hope he never plays a down and shouldn't with so many more talented options. Harris is another a Ohio boy that gets less play then Victor whats his problem. Everyone myself included thought Victor and Harris both would be great on fades but Victor is weak and scared along with not strong enough to fight for the ball. If not for the no contact or very little in the Spring game I would bet a beer Victor would of bobbled or dropped that td pass this year. He would of looked around to see if he was going to get hit by someone. I have watched many of our games over and over I just can't see why everyone is so high on this kid with so many others much more talented. I was hopping he would transfer to be very honest.
Please, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think.
Agreed on the Zach Smith part. Mostly disagree with the rant on Victor...
Damn dude. Did Victor take your girl or something??
And with a better passer, magically “lack of separation” narrative went away for the Receivers .
Hartline might’ve helped some, but to my eyes, the biggest change was a developed passer!
Haskins might have helped, but Hartline definitely helped more. There were times in 2016 and 2017 that those guys could catch the ball if you handed it to them.
We’ll agree to disagree. There was a time when the QB patted and patted the ball some more. There were times in 2017, when those guys were open and the ball was being patted as the window to throw it was closing.
Glad for that trio of Receivers having had Haskins last year, may they do well with their next level opportunity. Hopefully JT can catch on as well.
Victor coming out and going off this year, consistently, would sure prove a ton of people right who have seen that potential in him all along. I'd like to see him grab the bull by the horns.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
The only coming out and going off for Victor should be before and after the game.
Some players just don't "click" like others do. It's been unfortunate to see with Victor because he's flashed as brightly as anyone at times. Hopefully Hartline can work his magic and make him a threat but there's so much talent in the room now I don't think he'd ever become the #1 or #2 guy that Fields looks for anyways.
Hopefully he can get 30-40 catches or so, maybe 6-700 yards and 6-7 touchdowns and get a chance at the combine to show off a bit more.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
I really do not get hype that has always surrounded Victor, and do not see this huge source of untapped or unmaterialized talent.
He is tall but is skinny and weak and has inconsistent hands is is not a guy that will take the top off a defense with top end speed. He is also not that great of a red zone target, despite his height, because he is weak and does not consistently high point the ball.
He has made on meaningful play in three years. We have several WRs with more talent/skill than him, I expect nothing more than we have seen over the last couple of years. A spot contributor of mostly meaningless catches.
A couple of times last year he was nothing less than amazing. Coach Hartline has a work in progress. Make him dependable and reliable in between the great moments and we will have a second round WR. Looking forward to the progress.
He's the kind of receiver who may not always appear to be open - due to his relative lack of speed. But you'd think his height, ranginess, and hops would allow a QB to "throw him open", as they say. I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a tremendous season -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
He does not strike me as a ball-aggressive receiver. I thought with his height and size that he would be a perfect 50/50 ball guy that a QB could trust when making a tight throw. From what I have seen, Victor is more of a basket catcher rather than going up with strength and snatching the ball. His did go up and get that great PSU reception, but that is the exception to his norm.
Yeah, Chewbucca - hopefully, it can start to become his norm. I'm with those who think Coach Hartline is a huge improvement from our former receivers coach. Let's see what he can bring out in Victor now that he's had a full offseason with him -
Cheers to that!
Considering we have one football, 40 catches, 700 yards, and 8 TDs I think would be a really good year for him.
Agreed. In fact that would probably be a great year for any receiver in our 2-3 deep rotation - with the exception of Hill, of course -
I’m hoping Days offense is more progressive than ole’ Meyer’s feed the H-back to the tune of 200 like targets and 160 catches. Better use of the traditional WR positions and the TE will be a sight for sore eyes.
I'm so glad the winningest coach in school history is gone, I was really getting sick of all the wins but if we pass it 5 more times a game I will be thrilled regardless of wins and losses. S/
You make a great point, Steel City Buckeye - and I absolutely love UFM - but the seemingly inevitable recency bias aside, the winningest coach in school history was Woody Hayes. UFM has the best winning percentage perhaps, but nobody comes close to Woody when it comes to total wins, championships, etc.
I count our blessings that we had each -
Oh don’t be so prickly (sarcasm included), Meyer coached, he didn’t walk on water. He had his deficiencies.
The Clemsons and Bamas are doing just fine with or without 5 or fewer passes, but definitely with a better developed passer and throwing the ball more effectively to the traditional WRs and not just the H.
I think the expectations for Victor coming into college were way to high based on what i've seen from him over his career. I almost wonder if it wasnt fair to him to have such high expectations placed on him. Hes not going to be a great receiver at any point in his career. If he can just be better than he was last year id be happy. We dont need him to be a star, just be a consistent receiver who gets open and catches the ball when thrown to..
No disrespect towards Victor at all but him getting playing time has always made me wonder about Jaylen Harris. Victor has been that much better than Harris that he couldnt even get a shot?
I've not been the biggest Victor fan... I prefer the guys who grind over the guys who, while they might look like they were built in the wide receiver lab, take series, or games off, as Victor has since he arrived on camps. Having said that, I think he's going to explode this season. The offense, the potential of the quarterback, the play caller... I think Ben Victor goes to town in 2019.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
I think big year. He needs to focus on the catch so he doesn't blow big time plays,
I agree with Coach Day that Victor's catch and run at PSU last year was one of the best plays I've ever seen, and it had the added benefit of causing this reaction, captured for posterity. Victor has so much...there's that word again, potential, if he can just get the ball in his hands in space; I would just love to see him capture and utilize it this year.
"It feels great ... it feels like, 'Shit, I got it.'" ~ Jeff Hafley
People act like he was the only one that could of caught that ball wasn't that difficult after all.
The Penn State play was something a normal WR can’t do. Hell of a play at just the right time. Seems like the Penn State games always come down to a couple game changing plays.
Maybe the fact that this is his last chance/year to prove himself might be enough for Victor to begin to reach some of that lofty potential that has been heaped upon him in the past.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
I disagree that Bin Victor is a big play game changer. Yes, the PSU play was epic, but it was a one time perfect storm, including PSU defenders falling all over themselves. There have been no other big plays that mattered, and the lack of consistency hasn’t changed. He will get his chance, but I hope that Ryan Day and Brian Hartline don’t baby Victor any longer. If Jaylen Harris and Garrett Wilson are more productive, I could see Victor’s reps dropping quickly midseason. Play the most productive.
I'm fine with blocking mine out but glad to see most mentioned the same as me just maybe I was a little harsh towards the young man.
I nicknamed him 50/50 Victor last year because that's about the chance we had of him catching the ball. I didn't mean that in a bad way but I have always hoped for him to step up and start being the player that Meyer's bragged about in practice. Now's the time for him to start to earn his name, because as history shows if he came start catching passes consistently he will cash in at the draft.GO BUCKS!!!!
As a buckeye fan I’ll happily take whatever he gives. As a victor fan I’d love to see him rock the Juggs machine till opening day.