The Hurry Up: How the Scholarship Cap Affects Ohio State in 2020

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allinosu's picture

I sometimes wonder if these guys sit in a room and work really hard to complicate things that should not be complicated.

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RollRedRoll's picture

Allinosu, you and me both. It’s like they look at a situation and say how can I make this as complicated as possible so that no one understands it. 

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Colortv1967's picture

That’s the NCAA for you. 

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dmiller2345's picture

NCAA is just creating job security for some compliance person on campus!

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*As always, In (Urban) Ryan Day I Trust! There is a plan, even if we cannot see it right now!

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sharks's picture

You just broke the lawyer's code

A man got to have a code...

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Even with all the highly rated receivers coming in, I predict that the TE will indeed have a pass catching role in addition to the traditional blocking role at Ohio State. 

It may take a year or two for the Buckeyes to reel in top rated TEs on a consistent basis, but it will happen.

Especially interesting in the way they have talked about using Ruckert in the slot this coming season. 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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Bucks19's picture

We’ve heard this broken record for 25 years now 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

It’s stabled in the OSUnicorn Corral...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

I have seen the Advocate article before and it is now a year and half old. The 2018 and 2019 cycles already reflected the changes the NCAA made a couple of years back and early entries could still be counted into space available from the previous class, if there was any. The question that has been popping up for a month now is whether a new change is being implemented that will close that specific loophole. I don't believe that has officially been established yet one way or another.

The back counting with early entries was absolutely possible in the two classes since the Advocate article was released. The only important thing to keep an eye on is whether that specific loophole will be closed, which would result in a hard cap of 25. The NCAA manual for the upcoming season will be released by the end of the summer and if there is a change it will be in there. It is also possible news of such a change could leak before then. I just don't see any new information here.

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ELJTSA76's picture

Don’t the member institutions of the NCAA have to vote on rules changes?  It isn’t a dictatorship, technically. There is representation in governance here. Therefore, it would be odd that nobody seems to know what will change. It makes me think that nothing is coming, honestly. Furthermore, I seriously doubt that any changes affecting recruiting class sizes would be enacted at such a late date in the recruiting calendar. We are half way between February and December already. That wouldn’t be reasonable. Any change adopted this summer would have to be enacted at the start of the following academic year, not immediately before classes start and just four months before signing day. Plans have been laid out for every school and are being executed. The rumors about this immediate and surprise rule change being reported by the “media” are just not practical. I don’t believe it will happen like that at all. 

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TJG32's picture

What’s Alabama and rest of the SEC going to do now with the 25 scholarship rule???

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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mittenst8buck's picture

Bagman scholarships. Just pay them enough and they can pay their own way thru Alabama.

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Colortv1967's picture

If you have proof of money changing hands then please present it to the public. Otherwise, give it a rest.

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mittenst8buck's picture

Well obviously I was saying this as a joke, but since you had to get hurt over it, as a former D1 college football player...I can tell you it does happen. And if it happened at the non power 5 school I played for it happens at the majors...and I know this because believe it or not...when you play college sports you tend to know others that play for bigger schools. Though this was all of 11 years ago so maybe things changed. Anyway...if you want proof just dig in a little bit...it may not always come in the form of straight money...but perhaps one is paid quite well to mow lawns, clean a house, wash some cars, or caddy at a local club that offers generous tips...for carrying clubs a couple rounds a year. Perhaps it isn't hundreds of thousands like a college scholarship but of you really want to get into a pissing match I can. Anyway thanks for no input.

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Daniel's picture

The SEC will probably just ignore it.

Va Buck

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KYBuck's picture

You can bet the damned farm that if the $EC breaks the rule, the NCAA won't do jack about it. Anyone else (particularly tOSU) will be hung up by the 'nads.

You honestly think they'll make 'Bama cut the BS they pull with recruiting? Good luck with that. 

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McGrind's picture

ttun seems to be signing a lot of guys...and oh just dropped $1.2M on the south Africa trip...but it i is all good...educational you know

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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Bucks19's picture

They were smarter than the rest of the world. Absolutely did everything within the letter of the law. 

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DaytonBuck1980's picture

Texas has a panhandle? 

Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

Yes it does, it is the very top of the state to include 26 counties. 

The Texas Panhandle is a region of the U.S. state of Texas consisting of the northernmost 26 counties in the state. The panhandle is a rectangular area bordered by New Mexico to the west and Oklahoma to the north and east. The Handbook of Texas defines the southern border of Swisher County as the southern boundary of the Texas Panhandle region.

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DaytonBuck1980's picture

Hmm. Thank you. News to me. When I think of panhandles I think of Florida and Oklahoma. 

Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan. 

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Buck-aneer's picture

And West Virginia which has two panhandles (one northern and one eastern).   People always forget that my home state even exists. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

They've been forced to in order to pay their bills.

Sani

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iowabuckeyes's picture

At what point did Blake Haubeil lose his grayshirt because he handled kickoffs as a true freshman.  

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Would have had to be that a player transferred or left the program, which put the Buckeyes under the 85 scholarship limit, and that scholarship went to Haubeil. It also could have been a scholarship that had been given to a walk-on through the Spring and Summer and then taken away and given to Haubeil. 

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Gflbuck's picture

How does this affect the SEC salary cap?
 

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RuGettinIt's picture

85 is 85 at the end of the day

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Bucks19's picture

Exactly!!! It’s not that complicated!

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

They should get rid of grayshirting altogether. If you need a player, be it a punter or a future backup DE, you need to offer them a scholarship. Allowing it to continue seems silly.

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DCDDC's picture

I think it started as a way to deal with players injured and out for the better part of a season.  to give them an other year since they lost one due to injury.  I'm not sure but I think that's close.

m GO BLOW!!!

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Bucks19's picture

No. It started with numbers. If the roster was tight with numbers and the following year had more seniors, Gray shirting came about. 

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DCDDC's picture

Mom was right, ya learn something everyday.  

m GO BLOW!!!

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

The NCAA is probably trying to prevent schools from kicking recruits (and also current players who aren't panning out) to the curb so that they can take more recruits in a year than the 25 cap. SEC schools have taken up to 30 recruits a year several years in a row. And as we all know, the NCAA will probably fail miserably once again. 

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DCDDC's picture

Sounds NCAA'ish

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Bucks19's picture

No. 25 is 25 is 25.  

SEC doing 30 was permitted. 

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BucksHave7's picture

We all get it, you are here to run on the Buckeyes and the B10.

BucksHave7

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buckeyenation19's picture

Exactly. No need to complicate this for 17 and 18-year-old kids who are getting fed all kinds of bs from every direction. 25 signees per recruiting cycle. Period.

BUCKEYENATION19

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Sanitarian2's picture

"There are some more technical and detailed rules within those rule changes that likely won’t be known until signing day gets closer, which makes it difficult to claim for a fact that Ohio State is looking at bringing in just 25 prospects for 2020."

How about publishing, explaining and training on technical and detailed rule changes a year out for the recruiting class over which one wishes to Lord those rules. Is that really too much to ask? If your rules are so complicated and devious that it takes a room full of lawyers to decipher it you have a poor regulation.

Sani

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I just don't see policy being implemented, with fidelity, mid-cycle. Many of these schools are at 20 commits already and there is still no agreement on what the rule on a class cap actually is. Use this year to assess whether classes would have been in compliance with the 25-man rule, communicate your findings and explanations, and launch next year. 

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Canukbuck's picture

If we want to be honest, OSU has not shown any recent history of using TE's in their offensive schemes in the same manner or frequency as Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota or Notre Dame, as examples, so I fully understand the top TE prospects looking elsewhere (Ruckert being the exception).

Until Coach Wilson makes a concerted effort to utilize the TE position as more than a 6th O-Lineman or blocking fullback, then top prospects will look to the programs that want to feature TE's in their passing game.  I've really got my fingers crossed that Jeremy Ruckert will be the break out TE in our passing offense and add one more weapon to an incredible stock of pass catchers on the team ....

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937Buck's picture

Look at all the WRs that we just sent to the league. Look at our current WR room. Look at the WRs we have coming in next year. I could honestly not care less if we use a receiving TE more. You don’t NEED to use a TE more when you have this many stud WRs. We rarely used the TE last year and our passing game was just fine (actually way way way way better than fine). 

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BucksHave7's picture

Look at this yourself and do the math. I The SEC schools over past 5 years have always signed the most. Should even out right?  That is the joke of recruiting rankings calculation....

Class Ranking  = (# of scholys)  *   (Star ranking)

Second-grade Education Conference always over commits, their 'student-athletes' flunk out at higher rates, keeps them higher in class rankings.  Why the NCAA is not cracking down on SEC basically using these kids is comical. They must be making it up in non rev sports.

BucksHave7

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