Total guess (I'm no recruitnik) here, but I'd suspect players already in the program without a clear path to progressing up the depth chart might be nudged(?) to transfer out first.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
For the 85 cap, I'd agree. But I think OP is referring to the on again/off again rumored 25 player per recruiting class hard limit, so a current player transferring wouldn't impact that.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Reading, and math, is tough.
Says every person living in Alabama
Two of my cousins live in Alabama, the poor bastards.
I like to remind them every now and then that when they left Ohio for the new sweet home they raised the IQ's of both states.
When my coworkers tell me to go back to Ohio, that is how I respond. I sincerely explain to them that I am part of a government conspiracy to diversify their gene pool. Some of them believe that.
Reading, and math, is tough.
So are grammar and punctuation ...
You don't know what you have until it's gone .... for example, toilet paper.
Birm stated in an article that he originally thought that there would be a hard cap of 25 on this year's recruiting class. Now he feels that the class could go as high as 27 recruits (as someone within the program felt that this could be a real possibility). There was no explanation as to how the staff would make the numbers work, only that it was being considered.
Just a reminder that they have the flexibility to reclass up to 5 commits in this class to last years class if they are early enrollees. So 25 is the number of how many can be classified in a given class but in theory they could take up to 30 from this group if 5 of them are early and can be reclassed. Thought last years class was only at 17 so as long as they do not also exceed the 85 total number they would be fine to take more.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
That is accurate the way the rule is currently understood.
There has been mass speculation and rumors this year that the NCAA is considering implementing a hardcap of 25. 25 recruits, full stop, no early enrollment loop hole.
The rumor has gone from simple rumblings, to likely happening for the 2020 class, and now back to probably not a hard cap this year. I don't think a single person knows one way or another what the NCAA is thinking lol
It's a terrible move, within 4 years you'd easily have more than 15 hardships and early entrants. There'd have to be a loop hole created somewhere to fill rosters.
I think the current rule as it was updated in 2017 is the best way to move forward and with us having a small class last year we have room to hammer certain positions each cycle where there's good talent (CB/S 2017) (DE in 2018) (WR/OL in 2020)
The concern is overblown. Since the start of the Meyer era, Ohio State has been over 25 only twice - 27 the year the scholarship restriction ended (unusual circumstance) and 26 in 2018. It would have been a hardship, perhaps, to limp along with just 84 scholarship players in 2018 until we could take 20 (rather than 19) in 2019. Or we could have gotten a transfer, which will be easier going forward with the portal. The only programs regularly taking 25 to 30 are in a different section of the country.
I believe early enrollees can be counted “backwards.” So, theoretically (I’m not 100% sure that it still works this way) they could count 8 early enrollees as part of last year’s class and easily go over 25 in this class.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
Ask Danny Clark. The ramifications are that the family hates you and the high school coaching staff isn't very fond of you, either. Oh, and that the recruit's younger brother will be playing at Alabama instead of Ohio State.
Mistakes were made all around in this. The risk you run with offering a high school freshman at a position like QB are enormous. The kid seemingly did everything right, but his ceiling was far lower than it was expected to be. The scholarship isn’t awarded until the kid signs on the dotted line, which means both parties have met the requirements of the offer. If the kid doesn’t develop to expectations, slacks off academically, or doesn’t keep his nose clean, then rescinding the offer is always fair game, IMO. Pushing a kid out just because someone better came along is not.
Who was the kid years ago out of the Cincy area that was a big TE commit, but had his offer rescinded at the end of the first semester of HS senior year because he thanked academically? He ended up at Illinois and had an ok career, and might’ve even been drafted? At the time, I think it was a mutual agreement that he had not come close to meeting expectations.
Most likely case, though, is a current player loses a spot because he can’t stay healthy long enough to contribute. Some bodies just can’t hold up to the abuse. Kyle Berger comes to mind - he moved on to the rest of his life just fine.
I highly doubt there was an agreement made with Clark that he must develop to expectations in order to keep his offer. And someone better coming along is exactly what happened, you're just choosing to paint a pretty picture around it. But you're exactly right that the staff had no business accepting his commitment as a HS freshman.
Mistakes were made in his recruitment. That’s clear. I can’t envision a scenario where he ever would’ve pushed for playing time here, and that’s not because of lack of effort on his part. He just didn’t develop into a QB who could play at a Power 5 level. Having said that, did OSU ever pull his scholly? I want to say they asked him to grayshirt, which for a QB effectively is daring him to decommit, but I can’t remember that was the case. They were willing to give him a roster spot, but certainly did give the indication he’d never play here.
You're 100% on with this take. The staff messed this situation up and should own it. Zona is just trying to paint a pretty picture so he can justify it in his mind. When any other program does this sort of thing we tear them a new one and rightfully so. If it happens here it's just as bad. If a kid is committed and you ask him to decommit because you found someone better later on you're a jerk and shouldn't have offered them in the first place.
As for the academic issues or character issues then that to me is perfectly fine for asking a kid to remove himself or the staff removing them from their class.
I’m not seeing how it’s a pretty picture, or that it paints OSU in any kind of good light. But the fact is, they made a mistake when he committed, and ultimately were willing to let him come in on scholarship, even though he would never play here. I don’t see where Clark did anything wrong, other than having a much lower ceiling than anticipated when he was 14.
This is the key point-accepting commitments 3 years out is not a good idea, and neither side-kid or school-is writing it in ink, so to speak. If a kid isn't developing-or the situation at the school changes, both sides are usually smart enough to see things coming.
That said, this scenario is VERY different from tOSU accepting a commit from a developmental OL before his senior season-without demanding a camp "tryout", even if the fanboys are annoyed by Coach Day's judgment.
True. As Duane Long used to say, even the best of the OL coming out of HS need two to three years of further development before they’re ready to take on the DLs at this level. It’s rare that a kid can come in and play effectively as a Frosh, even sparingly.
I agree with Zona. I think (cause i dont really know) that offers are given with the understanding that certain requirements have to be met and both sides understand that. If Ohio State tanks or fires coaches - some recruits will decommit. If recruit doesnt progress or regresses - we dont accept their commitment. Or we gently nudge them in another direction. Or, maybe the coaches pull a Chris Rock and tell recruits that we are only as committed as our options.
I seem to remember it's understood that all offers are contingent on the players progressing to satisfactory milestones up to signing on the line that is dotted. That protects the team from a situation where a kid completely tanks his senior year on the football field or in the classroom.
I don't think it happens a lot because most kids who verbal to OSU keep getting better as their high school years progress, but like we've seen with Danny Clark it does happen (unfortunately). Kid gets the picture when their texts/calls don't get returned very quickly.
It’s not about progression. It’s all about a better player coming along
College football is big business. You get the best players so that you can field the best team. If a player signs with Ohio State, or any school for that matter, and doesn't develop or give the effort expected, a school should be able to remove him from the athletic scholarship but should be required to allow the student/athlete to continue to attend school with the same benefits he/she had while under scholarship and get his/her 4 year degree.
Josh Chichester was the TE who had his offer yanked- from Lakota West-wound up at Louisville or UK, I believe. Jeff Cumberland-out of one of the Columbus Publics, was a big time TE that year also, who went to Illinois, and played in the NFL.
Tressel also yanked a committted DB from Dublin-Scioto's offer b/c he was caught dealing weed at school.
I was thinking of those two, but misremembering them as the same person. Thanks for the details.
the high school coaching staff isn't very fond of you
Any HS coaching staff impeding a school from recruiting one of their kids is doing a disservice to the kids and should be fired. Disliking the way our staff handled Clark/Sibley is one thing, but if they are doing anything that prevents OSU coaches from potentially recruiting other Hoban players those coaches should not have jobs, because their current players interests should always be first and foremost, not a 3 year old grudge
What if it is giving their unvarnished opinion on how a particular school treats players, or the feel they get for certain coaches?
A HS coach can't tell a player that the find Harbaugh creepy or Dabo insincere?
SHHHH fans aren't reasonable here. If it involves other schools it's ok but if you're impeding TOSU then you should be punshed by death lol
SOme Are being very loose with the facts, Bama and most of the SEC were signing 30 to 35 kids by over signing almost every year,while the big ten restricted that loophole. Tompointing to a couple of wrong or badly handled instances is not remotely close
It's unreasonable to expect a HS coach to allow his players opportunities to be seen by EVERY school? If a kid wants an OSU offer and doesn't give a shit about Danny Clark, but the coach is still mad about Clark and doesn't let OSU coaches watch practice/visit the kid so they don't offer, the coach deserves to be fired. That has nothing to do with OSU fandom, it's common sense lmao.
I'm not saying that happened at Hoban, but there are instances of HS coaches not allowing certain colleges to recruit players from their school. IF that's happening due to the Clark situation, the Hoban coach doesn't deserve to keep his job because he let a personal grudge potentially impact the future of every kid on the team who may have been recruited
That is totally acceptable. I'm talking about HS coaches (and yes there are some, not sure if Hoban is guilty or not) that do not allow certain schools to talk to their players/visit their practices at school due to previous bad experiences. All that does is give a kid one less opportunity to realize his dream
+1 to offset the DV. You are absolutely correct ... and that isn't even an opinion. That is 2 + 2 = 4 and to think otherwise is 2 + 2 = 5 brave new world shit.
So a commit can change his commitment but the school cannot change theirs?
Yes. And it's fair. The recruit and the program have very unequal positions in thus deal-makung process, AND the school has multiple options for meeting it's needs (e.g., recruiting 2 QBs in a given year) while the recruit can ultimately only matriculate at one school (and then. Have restrictions on transferring later)
Danny Committed too early. He never got better from Freshman year and that was a huge problem.
Important to remember that it's not just about football talent. There are plenty of highly ranked players who just wouldn't fit in with the culture that's established in the locker room.
If the player was a good fit and supremely talented though, I believe they would "find" room.
Yes. I'm sure they'd do something along those lines to make the numbers work and fit in the 5 star kid. It can be shitty, but it's part of the game when you have a hard limit on the number of scholarships you can give, and kids vary greatly on the amount of time they take to decide they want to come to you.
Class of 2010.
It is kind of crappy, but schools and kids change their minds. Until the LOI is in, nothing is guaranteed.
The OP should have gotten a quote from Harbough. They are the real experts up there on this topic.
I have a feeling if push came to shove, the dreaded grayshirt word would come up before someone's offer was completely pulled. Sometimes that's all a recruit needs to hear to seek out greener pastures. Feelings get hurt, egos get bruised, but that's life in the big city, unfortunately.
With respect to grayshirts, I believe that only one is allowed per recruiting class.
69 in 18
A gray shirt would not take the place of a scholarship being pulled.
I think most often what happens, sadly, is that lines of communication go cold between the coaches and the player. Often a discussion is never actually had and a player gets the understanding that they are not as highly thought of as they were pre-commitment.
I am not saying this is what Day or anyone on OSU's staff would do, but that seems to be the most common occurrence when it does happen.
I personally think it won't happen in this class, as it is Day's first and he wants to make sure to not make any missteps early. It may be someone decides on their own (which does in fact happen) that they would have a better opportunity to play somewhere else and they want to take that opportunity. If an 17 or 18 year old can be honest with himself and understand that playing for OSU is great if you get to play, but getting to play at Indiana or Minny or Kent St (wherever it may be) may be more advantageous to develop than not getting snaps at OSU.
You can always play at another school for 3-4 years then grad transfer in if you always dreamed of being a starter at OSU
It depends on how availability shapes up. Look at the Justin Fields/Tate Martell situation. Day saw an opportunity to pounce on one of the top recruits in the country from a couple years ago there and took it knowing it would risk Martell's future with the program because in the end the program comes first. If there's one thing we knew about Urban though it's that he won't force people out of his program without making sure they land on their feet in a good situation elsewhere (and I wouldn't be shocked if Day is continuing that trend). I mean, from what Martell has said about his time at OSU since he got to Miami he really, REALLY wanted to be the starting QB here but was supposedly told last season that he should consider transferring (which he did when Meyer got suspended but ultimately chose to stay). Coaches well tell you to transfer because they believe you are capable of playing and succeeding, just perhaps not at their program and as we know last season OSU was starting to move away from the read-option game that was tailored to Martell's skillset and adopting Day's pro style scheme to fit Haskins more. Fields' arrival was just the final nail in the coffin for Martell (and tbf, Day didn't actively recruit Fields to OSU at first, Haskins did, Day I think would've been perfectly fine going into the 2019 season with Martell and Baldwin competing for the job).
“Day I think would've been perfectly fine going into the 2019 season with Martell and Baldwin competing for the job).”
Ummm, it's not like Martell and Baldwin weren't highly rated players coming out of HS (and Day personally recruited Baldwin himself). Say Fields ends up not coming to OSU for whatever reason, Day doesn't really have a reason to be dissatisfied with that QB room (though looking for improvement is always encouraged). Of course there is always the possibility that Baldwin might've transferred no matter what regardless of whether Fields was here or not if he truly was missing Texas as much as he claimed.
You could be 100% correct. I guess time will tell if Martell and Baldwin - or Fields - are any good. Although, i got the impression that Baldwin was our best option at the time. But i dont think, and i could be completely wrong, he was Days first choice. I think he flipped from Colorado State kind of late - like December. I think by that time all the good qbs were already committed or had their minds made up. Also, i think Day knew he risked losing Martell just by starting up a conversation with Fields. I think it was a risk he was willing to take because he didnt think Martell was that good. Just my opinion.
IIRC OSU turned to Baldwin as a fallback plan at QB once Emory Jones flipped his commitment to Florida. Jones obviously would've been much better suited for Meyer's read-option offense and Day was still fairly new to OSU's coaching staff at the time but I do know that Day was the point man for Baldwin's recruitment and that his commitment kind of reinforced the trend of OSU moving away from recruiting dual-threat QBs like JT and Tate and going for more pro-style guys (which started with Haskins).
In regards to Tate it's very possible Day saw him as talented but not really best suited to run the type of offense he wants to run (though tbf Fields is also a dual-threat guy who is just as unpolished at passing as Tate).
We took Baldwin from Colorado St. He wasn’t highly recruited
Yes, and our only real competition for Haskins was Maryland. What does that tell you? Baldwin was still a VERY good player at Lake Travis.
Competition for Haskins being Maryland because of the very obvious reason.
We took Baldwin from CO State for a very obvious reason as well.
And look how good Haskins turned out. This is a weak argument. Baldwin being recruited by a program like Colorado St does NOT automatically make him a prospect on the level of Joe Bauserman. I'm sorry but that argument doesn't hold water.
You don’t understand recruiting. There’s a Baldwin committed to CO St and being from TX. If I have to tell you why, I’m at a loss for words.
Yes Haskins was great here. BUT there are stories like him all the time. We were fortunate to be one of those stories.
Not weak arguments. Just facts dude.
Don't call me Shirley.
FWIW, tOSU was the 3rd school Martell committed to before his senior season in HS began. He committed to Washington-Cutty Sark-as an 8th grader!
Why go after Fields at all then? The infatuation with two back up QBs who just ain’t good is crazy. It was same with Joe Burrow. Burrow better than both of them and he didn’t stand a chance at OSU. Martell I don’t believe is gonna start at Miami and who knows about Baldwin. I just don’t get it. Watch them play and why would you want one of them over Fields.
OSU didn't aggressively pursue Fields at first. He just kind of fell into our lap. There were two factors related to Fields coming to OSU that were nothing short of unconventional. 1) he was unhappy at Georgia playing behind Jake Fromm and 2) he happens to be buddies with Haskins (who proceeded to inform him from first-hand experience of how good Ryan Day is at developing QBs). Once the possibility of Fields transferring here became very real and Haskins had planted the seed Day would've been a fool to turn a player with his talent away. The rest is history. But that doesn't mean Day was actively looking to force Baldwin and Martell out going into 2019 (from a long-term planning perspective at the position given Haskins' pending NFL decision and Jack Miller being the only QB recruit in the pipeline at the time that would've been a dumb thing to do on Day's part if he did plan on forcing Martell and Baldwin out from the get go). I 100% believe had Fields not come to OSU Day would've been completely content with having Martell and Baldwin compete for the starting job (with the loser most likely transferring).
Also in regards to Burrow he's not the greatest example. Meyer didn't want him to leave and he'd also not made up his mind about the QB position at the time when Burrow announced he was transferring. It was basically Meyer's indecision that prompted Burrow to make a move so he could salvage his own future in CFB. I do think Haskins was the frontrunner to start but keep in mind Burrow's skillset was a better fit for Meyer's offense (before Day started to exert more influence that is). I think that competition was a lot closer than people realize.
Yes they would, especially if a 'must-have' player wants in. If Bressee decides he wants to go to OSU instead of Clemson, one of the 3* guys would suddenly decide he wants to go to Michigan State instead.
It's the ugly side of the business, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
100% agree, BrutusB; an ugly business is still a business.
I don't like the idea of a program pulling an unofficially (pre-LOI) accepted offer just to bring in a more highly rated recruit. It seems dishonest in a way, especially when the young man has given every indication of wanting to be a Buckeye. But when you dig a little deeper, the recruit has every opportunity to withdraw his pre-LOI acceptance and reopen his recruiting, Up until that point either side is free to withdraw. So until the ink is dry I guess both sides can do what they want. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. It's kind of like the movie scene where a person asks someone to the prom (accepted) and then gets an invite from the "hot" person and dumps the first choice - sucks.
Coaches pulling offers right before the Feb. signing day is a big reason why they now have the early signing period in December. If your offer gets pulled in Dec. (crappy thing to do, but it does happen), the player still has 5-6 weeks to find a new team.
I remember Harbaugh pulling an offer from a highly ranked OL from Illinois a few years ago (I think in Dec) ----giving the kid enough time to find another team (Oklahoma)-----which is a big step up for the kid. This came on the heels of a lot of backlash Harbaugh got the year prior when he cut a kid a week or two before signing day in Feb. He got some serious heat for that one.
If, I can find it, will post an article about Hairball and his repeat offenses on recruits, Hairballl didn’t pull the offers, he would just cut off all communication with the kid, in this article, he wouldn’t even call the kid back. That Artical was very disturbing
Disturbing but reality. That’s how kids know they are no longer wanted
Good question. Normally, I'd think an elite program like ours would be wiser holding off on the three-star "project" kind of recruits until after they more-or-less know where they stand with the five-stars and high four-stars - even holding a spot or two open until the very end of the cycle. I'm sure that is at least part of the reason we saw some hand-wringing among our fellow 11Wers when we took in a series of three-stars one right after the other, recently.
However, I think at least a few of the three-stars we took in are believed by our staff to be very underrated by the recruiting services. If I recall correctly, two or three of those kids were being recruited by the likes of Alabama, etc., as well. I doubt the coaches would reconsider those choices. So, that only really leaves a handful of what you'd truly call projects.
Besides, I think we may be a little overly optimistic if we think we're going to fill all of our remaining spots with five-stars and/or very high four stars. Just a few more recruits of that caliber, and this could be an absolutely epic class. It's already pretty impressive, isn't it? -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
I think you can add to your point that I'm sure there were some thinking that maybe they wouldn't in for some of the recruits the ended up getting because it's Day and not Urban. Ricks is an example of that. Everything was up in the air for a while and by waiting the could have lost some the locals when other didn't commit. A bird in the hand.
Take the best, process the rest. That's the new reality of college football for the true elites (Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State).
One build--it's easy to forget we already did this THIS YEAR with Darvon Hubbard. Have to be extremely careful about doing it in Ohio in particular given the ramifications with HS coaches, but it does and will continue to happen forever.
It was done, but I think it was done in conjunction with the coaching change. I think once the new staff took over, his communications ended. So that's a bit different
Is it though? In practice Day was the one who orchestrated it. Sure it was hidden under the guise of the coaching change, but it still happened.
I think it absolutely is different. When a new coaching staff takes over they will repriortize all kids. If Urban Meyer took over at Indiana next week a lot of those kids would be gone because the new coaching staff was not making them priorities.
I disagree, because the offensive staff didn't change at all. We have heard that Hubbard was possibly an Urban guy, but still, the offensive staff is the same--it's not like Alford is gone. The kid was processed, and sure some of that was due to coaching change, but it also had to do with the fact that he just isn't as good as they thought and they (rightly) went big game hunting.
There could have been an issue that we haven't heard about also. IIRC, Hubbard has changed schools for some reason and it could be perfectly innocent or also some issue arose that facilitated the change.
If Urban Meyer took over at Indiana next week
06 it’s not different. All the offensive coaches stayed in tact.
I generally do not think they are keen on doing that. It has to be a very specific case. It is more likely to happy during a transition. Say a player was the other coaches guy but the new coach is not as high on them for whatever reason. I am not sure they so much get told to get out. So much as interest cools and the hint becomes clear. So they head elsewhere.
I do not see it happening too much once guys jump onboard that a given staff wants though. It just looks bad. It happens, but it is not a common thing. Or at least I like to think it is not as common at OSU. Still probably happens but I imagine this happens a fair bit around college football. I imagine that it happens more that unproductive guys already in the program get nudged out. That should not happen either, not the pros, but it does.
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im pretty sure that the staff offers some of these lower ranked projects with the understanding that if nothing else changes, then the offer is valid...if someone better comes along which would impact their path to greatness, then the coach will be forthright through the process.
If I were a high school kid who had this explained to me beforehand, I would understand it...and I wouldn't rest on my laurels and make sure that my skills improve.
It's clear to me Ryan Day wanted to mend fences with Ohio HS coaches some and the best way to do that is NOT process kids out. I've heard Trayanum at Hoban went to Arizona State because he wanted to be a RB. But we offered him a chance to be RB and he went there anyway. There might still be some animosity there. I dont want our program to be shady to the point Ohio HS kids dont want to come to OSU anymore. But I also know kids can hit their ceiling too soon. What do you do then? Danny Clark was a cautionary tale.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Trayanum to OSU is more about being RB1 there and not RB2 here. Has nothing to do with bad ties to the school.
This-he didn't to look over his shoulder every time he saw Coach Alford and Coach Washington talking to each other at practice.
I think this is a tough decision for the schools. As others have said, it's a business. Same goes to the recruits. There's nothing stopping them from signing with another school on National Signing Day, leaving the school to find a replacement. I'm sure this is really hard on both sides if a recruit does everything right. It's easier to accept when a recruit commits but does not follow through with the expectations, eg: academically.
They sent Cardale to military school for a year. Im sure they have tricks of the trade they can get around stuff. but not in every case i am sure
Michael Thomas was there with him. Now they are both millionaires (with Michael considerably higher than Cardale on that score).
Txbuckeye. Would appreciate it if you didn't call me Shirley.
I don't think you have to be "pushed" out... plenty of kids sign as like the only center or only middle linebacker or something and maybe they are a 3 star. Then as the class gets going suddenly those positions fill up with 5 star kids.. human nature says those kids who committed early might look elsewhere because their road to any sort of playing time just got harder.
Same thing happens in the real world all the time. You get hired into some new sales group with tons of leads and you are the only rep and then you find out they got approved to hire 5 total reps and you start re-thinking things.. loved this gig when it was one dude chasing these leads but now it's 5 dudes.. maybe don't love it as much..
It may be tough but I would probably do the same thing. If you are Ryan Day your job is to win football games and keep the program out of trouble. It is really that shallow. If the letter of intent is not signed yet I am 100% kicking out my 6th best offensive lineman in the class or 4th best LB in the class for the best corner in the country or another 5 star. It could be the difference between keeping my job or not. You never know
Buckeye Til I Die
If you are trying to establish the relationships with your local coaches pushing out their players committed or already on your roster is never good for business.I do not believe that the new coaching staff has the “credibility” to push out current cimmits, at least from the state of Ohio or schools that they have a long standing relationship with.
If you are trying to establish the relationships with your local coaches pushing out their players committed or already on your roster is never good for business.
Win games. All that matters. The rest of the stuff is fairy tales. It’s for fans who live through these recruits. Win games. I don’t watch OSU football because of the academics. I don’t care about gpa the 4.0 I worry about is the 4.4 in the 40.I could care less about repping university, or the other fluff. I don’t say he sure is slow but darnit he is a doing great in biology. If that was the case I would watch Harvard and Yale football. Win games don’t worry borders and being good guys
This is kind of a shit take... It's not hard to be an athlete AND a solid student. Football is about a lot more than talent. I'll take a class full of four stars who work hard and are good people off the field than one full of five stars who think they are privileged or God's gift to Earth, and can't keep their head on straight off the field. The first team is one you can trust, and it will win a game over team two nine times out of ten.
There's a reason FSU had recruiting classes ranked 4th, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th respectively from 2014-2017 and didn't win shit.
Why is it a shit take?I never said anything about not working hard. Never said take only 5*. Never said get a team you can’t teust. That is your take. That is how you want to perceive my statement.That is the team you want to follow. Don’t twist my statement and call it shit. If you got guys that can’t stay on the field than it doesn’t matter if they are nfl all pro. Cause they ain’t playing. I don’t care if a player is a 2* recruit from Idaho or a 5* from Ohio. Get the best players and win the rest of the stuff is fluff.I don’t care if they are an academic all American if they ain’t playing. I care about players playing if they are barely eligible than so be it. Urban I promise you was same way. Keep them eligible. If a young voting age man wants to piss his education away then so be it. That is up to him. If he works hard and excelled in academics than that also is his choice and he should be proud. I don’t care. I’m worried about my households grades. OSU has had its share of questionable characters. Starting with Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer. Clarett T Smith Zeke ..........If we are so concerned with the “off the field” stuff then maybe we should follow a different team because OSU recruits ball players. If you are talented enough they will take most times. Most times not every so don’t twist that. You want academics and high moral characteristics then OSU is not for you Also college football in general may not be. I’m gonna guess you were pro JT (DUI in playoff run “domestic disputes” wasn’t his fault).love his “leadership”
I don't think it's impossible to have both. To recruit great football players who are also high character individuals. And I think that's exactly what separates us from the majority SEC teams and the Florida teams of the world. I also think that's what makes OSU great, we don't just settle for the so called best athletes, and we actually seem to have some semblance of standards. So we got that mark 100% of the time. Of course not. It would be silly to expect to. But we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. You want to talk about questionable characters and the first person you mention is tressel??? You name a handful of guys who were never charged with any crime in college, most of whom were still suspended, and act like it's an epidemic (and for the record, I always error on the side of longer suspensions, so you can take your "pro JT" sarcasm and shove it). It's not. OSU is great because they seem to keep those incidences to a minimum compared to a lot of the big name programs out there, all while (mostly) producing the classroom, and internships. OSU is EXACTLY the team for me because of that. If all you care about is 40 times, there's a long list of teams down south you can happily root for.
And here's an example for you: would I be pissed if we landed Jarrett at the end of the cycle, even though he seems like a head case? Hell no. I'll always be happy when my team adds a great player, and I can hope the staff and other players/recruits can straighten him out. But I can also say with 100% certainty that I would never trade any of our current receiver commits for him. They all seem like great young men in addition to being great players, and I'll take that over a higher ranking recruit, or a guy with a higher 40 time, every single time.
Tressel was charged with a crime. He committed purgury.He was not allowed OSU for a minute. He lied to an investigation. To cover up some knuckleheads(yes what they were charged with was dumb not the point). He had program put on probation. If that happened at one of the “schools down south” this board would go bananas. Urban also was told to stay. He was charged with an infraction from his bosses. Just like me and you can get into trouble at work and not be charged with a civilian infraction. JT was in fact charged with operating a vehicle under the influence or something to that affect. Zeke was never charged you are correct. Funny how star players never get charged. Zeke is an upstanding citizen. Diesel Washington got charged with soliciting a prostitute. You can act like OSU is clean an upstanding high moral academic powerhouse all you want that’s cool. But you gotta turn a blind eye. Clarett was a knucklehead Troy Smith took money I can keep going if you would like. While these may not be civilian infractions they violate the almighty moral code you adhere too. Those schools down south you speak of what is there violations? Also how many bowls did they have to vacate/ not participate in. I know I know espn/sec are in bed. I’m not saying they are innocent but OSU is far from the poster child for code complaisance. As far as being charged at OSU I’m not sure how familiar you are with the judicial system but it is not speedy. I have a friend who’s brother was murdered with a pretty easy case. However the defendant has great lawyers and 10 years later they are still walking free while key witnesses have died. The whole not being charged is an example of athlete privilege. The JT comment rubbed you wrong as it sure you loved him and put him up as an all time great. I could tell by the way you spoke on other issues. You don’t let facts stand in your way of truth. Now say something about truth Zeke never charged ................
keep on living in dream world about OSU being spotless( I know you never said that) (you didn’t have to your comments did for you)Keep Believing OSU is without fault and sec and espn is out to get Bucks. It’s one big conspiracy. Get back with me on the times Florida,Miami, and FSU has been on probation since 2000.
Tressel was charged with a crime. He committed purgury.He was not allowed OSU for a minute. He lied to an investigation.
Uh.... what? When did Tressel get charged with a crime? How could he have committed perjury if he never testified in court under oath?
Lying to the NCAA is not a crime. Nor is it perjury. It's an NCAA violation, but that's not a crime. Just like a kid taking a check from a booster is not a crime, it's just an NCAA violation that will result in NCAA eligibility being taken away.
Whatever you might think of Tressel, I'm not aware of him having ever done anything criminal.
I messed up that comment. It was supposed to say the equivalent of committing perjury.I typed that wrong in 95 degree heat waiting in line for rollercoaster. He lied and knowingly lied to his governing body that he answers to. There was no civil infraction committed.I am a fan of Tressel. That said he ain’t a saint and put winning above “good moral character”. I lost respect for him when he knowingly lied. He was one of the greatest coaches of all time but not an example of high moral character.
Stuck - don’t backpedal. Here are your words “Tressel was charged with a crime. He committed purgury.”
Admit you went overboard and didn’t have the facts
No i didn’t backtrack. I was quick typing in the sun at Disney. I admitted the error of my typing. I did not proof read. I messed it up.
This is hilarious! I'm actually at Disney as well. Just left magic kingdom for the airport. Been there all week. Have a great time stuckupnorth!
Lol man here we are arguing about something stupid. “It’s a small world after all” let me get any fast passes you got. 3 hours for avatar ride sucks.
Gotta get there early. I got to AK an hour early yesterday and still had to race a bunch of line jockeys to the ride entrance. Got on and off in 20 min though, so it was worth it. Had passes for all three mountains today. Good stuff.
You, good sir, sound like a fool... The JT comment rubbed me the wrong way because I was one of the few saying he should have been suspended longer (I said as much). DUI is no joke and should have been handled with more severity. But outside of that, OSU has been relatively clean, all things considered. And if you read my response at all you know that I don't for a second believe all our players are saints, but I do believe that, as a rule, we do a good job of recruiting high caliber individuals and backing off of recruits as soon as we see red flags - no matter their rating. I also feel a great deal of pride in the University when I see reports about internships for players and academic all Americans because we typically have more than other schools that are found in the top of the rankings. That shows to the type of kid we typically recruit. Are they all winners? No. But the fluff matters for the continued success of the program.
Also, Jim tressel is an incredible man with a very high moral code who rarely makes a move without others in mind. Tatgate aside, if you knew anything about the man, you'd know that.
Actually I do know a bit about him as far as a fan is concerned. I’m sure you know more. That’s fine by me.I read the winners manual. I followed him as much as a fan could without being weird. Jim Tressel has done a lot but that does not erase what he did to the ncaa. He lost a lot of credibility with me as far as having integrity. That’s my opinion.
I never seen where you brought up the probation and bowl bands from the Florida teams. They are the worst schools ever correct?They are so bad dirt should be easy to get on them,
OSU will recruit the best players regardless of questionable character. Just a lot of the guys you hear about OSU was never in the running. You are not gonna believe that OSU is not Disney land of sports.
The JT comment has nothing to do with the off the field stuff. As a player I’m sure you loved him. That’s what I was referring to.
These players get away with murder from the Columbus police department. The same as Ann Arbor and Tuscaloosa. So to think that they ain’t doing wrong because they ain’t charged is ludicrous. They are famous that’s why they ain’t charged.
Most schools do a great job of recruiting “high caliber” athletes. They don’t have records because they are athletes they get a free pass. You gotta take off the scarlet glasses. talk To anyone in the nfl and they will tell you athletes get away with everything. That’s why they ain’t charged.
OSU is pretty clean considering all things. However they have faced a bowl bowl, been on restriction, basically had a coach fired, and was on probation. Please tell me all of these southern schools that everyone loves to hate on has done that in last ten years.OSU will take a ball player any day of the week. That may not fit the narrative bits it’s true. The only player I’ve seen them back off of was parsons from penn st. I think that has more to do with him meeting espn crew and possible violations that went with that more than anything. People can spin it however they want.
It's "are not". They are famous, that's why they are not charged.. or aren't, if you prefer.
Thanks for clarifying that. I got my point across. That’s all that matters here’s an upvote.
Also, since you asked:
I mean, it's got nothing on receiving a bowl ban for selling memorabilia, we have some serious knuckleheads on our team... But I digress.
Can't figure out why the truth gets downvoted so much on this site, it's like if you don't pretend to be invested in every aspect of a players personal life you are evil or something. 95% of sports fans could care less about the GPA status of the players that they root for, it's not material except for eligibility.
Now if the downvotes were for suggesting that you should stab recruits in the back after you made them a promise in terms of accepting them into the program, downvote that practice all day long.
College football roster management...
regardless of how you sugarcoat it, easing out an early commit to make room for a late 'better option' makes my skin crawl. i hope (but know otherwise) that we're better/bigger than that.
My sentiments exactly. Just because you can do it, doesn't always mean you should so it.
It’s a new world. It’s 2019 not 1999
So right and wrong change. Got it.
One of the things we always heard from the recruits about UFM and the coaches recruiting them was how they were always "real" with them. How many kids did we hear say the coaches told them like it is, not just what they wanted to hear? That stood out with so many kids. That's why all offers are not the same. These kids aren't stupid. They know who else OSU is recruiting. If OSU lets you commit as a 3-star RB, for example, you can jump at that spot and get the free education, but you have to know a guy like Bijan is likely to join the class, along with a big-time 4-star, so your chances of ever passing them are slim. UFM kept his word (Clark is a complicated story) and was a legend. Hairball replaced kids constantly and is a joke.
No. But I’d imagine there will be some attrition. Especially because of the coaching change
I hope they push out some of the commits. We have like 9 three stars... what a waste of scholarships.
This seems like a troll post from the OP.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Troll post? That's absurd. I'm asking about opinions on a scenario that could possibly happen, not trolling or saying anything negative about anyone. I've enjoyed reading a lot of the comments.
Seems to me the SEC teams (like Alabama) are probably a lot more ruthless (for lack of a better term) in this regard, just like with oversigning and pulling scholly's for existing players on the roster when a better recruit is available. OSU is one of the elite of the elite, I'm curious how they'd approach that scenario. All speculation of course, we're not in that situation, but it could theoretically happen.
The funny thing is, 99% of schools wish they were in such a situation where they have to decide how to make room for an additional 4 or 5 star guy in the class.