Andy Geiger and Maurice Clarett

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BrutusB's picture

Clarett publicly blasted Geiger for not letting him go to his friend's funeral - in addition to anything that happened behind the scenes that we don't even know about.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I shudder to think if the 19 year old version of Maurice had 50% of the maturity that today's Maurice has. He could have been the most celebrated player in CFB history. I'm just thankful he's made the comeback of the century and is a very productive member of society.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I have never had any doubt we repeat as national champs if Maurice comes back for 2003. We were just too loaded at every position, except RB. That killed us.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Yea, that 2003 team was absolutely lethal - but they definitely need Reecie. Watching him unravel was one of the saddest things I've ever seen in the sports world.

Other than Herschel, I don't think there's ever been a better true Freshman RB like him. I still don't think I've ever seen a RB with better vision.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Adrian Peterson was was decent 

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PhillyNut's picture

Ron Dayne - Still holds the record for most yards gained as a freshman rushing and from scrimmage.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Yea, I wouldn't have a problem putting AD ahead of Reecie as a better RB as a true freshman (but both still below Herschel). AD had another gear that Clarret lacked and he was probably just as powerful.

I like Dayne and Dupree, but Clarret was better than those dudes. Dayne didn't have his quickness and I can't go with Dupree I guess because he wasn't on TV very much in Central Ohio when he played so I didn't see any of this games.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

So was Zeke, then there was the only player in college football history to win two Heisman Trophies

Jim Brown and Ernie Davis were men among boys. 

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I was specifically talking about RB's in their true Freshman years. I don't think Zeke played a lot and I don't think Jim Brown and Ernie Davis were eligible to play their first year back then.

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RollRedRoll's picture

High Street, I think Marcus Dupree was the most gifted running back as a freshman I have ever seen. Don’t know if you ever saw him play, but his size and speed was something that just set him apart from everyone. Same thing as happened to Reecie though, got bad advice after his freshman year and that was the end of that.

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gobucks1966's picture

Keith Byers was just as good and H.Walker was the best I ever saw. Tony Dorsett if he was on a decent team another and Arch wasn't bad either considering everyone knew he was going to run but still couldn't stop him. The Tyler Rose was another.

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Knarcisi's picture

Roll, assuming you’ve seen the 30 for 30 on him?  The Best That Never Was. 

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RollRedRoll's picture

Yes, I have seen the 30 for 30 on him. I also remember watching him play his one season at Oklahoma. I also had the pleasure of talking to him face to face in 2006, just a super nice guy who would give you the shirt off his back.

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Knarcisi's picture

Probably the best 30 for 30 I’ve seen. 

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RollRedRoll's picture

Yep, my favorite part was going into what would have been his sophomore year. They were trying to get him to come back to Okie and asked him what would it take, and he said his mom wanted a new house. The next day a new house was delivered to his mom and I was like say what? 

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Knarcisi's picture

Loved the part where it was current day and he was watching the old films of himself and was in amazement. Felt badly for him. Kid was a piece of meat to so many people.

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RollRedRoll's picture

Yeah, the people giving him advice were just seeing dollar signs. He was really fast for a guy that big, he could run over you or just run away from you. 

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Oklahoma was probably the worst possible place for him, with the exception of maybe Miami. Barry Switzer didn't give one iota about anything other then winning. Players did as the wanted. Boosters passing out houses and cars while he looked the other way, Bosworth running around acting a fool. No control or care what so ever. I think if he would of ended up with more of a father figure coach he probably would of done alot better for himself.

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BrutusB's picture

Definitely possible, given that in our two losses that year our leading rusher didn’t have 30 yards. Though Michigan did score 35 on us, so that one might be more on the defense. 

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Triv's picture

Partially on the defense for sure, but 6 3 and outs and 11 Offensive Possession taking less than 2:30 off the clock certainly isn't doing your defense any favors

Edit: This was the Michigan game's numbers FYI

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Dstacify's picture

The scUM game in 2003 was a disaster because our offense couldn't stay on the field so the defense had to play a lot of snaps and Chris Perry subsequently wore them down and ran all over them. That all ties back to how bad the running game was in 2003. Without Clarett in the backfield Krenzel was often having to carry the offense by himself and struggled attempting to do so because the offensive line also wasn't great. I remember a lot of our points against scUM that year came in the second half when they brought Scott McMullen in at QB to spell Krenzel and throw the scUM defense off and it worked to a point.

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Even Steven's picture

People are high on Saquan Barkely, and, he’s obviously great. But, I say: slow the roll a bit. 

He hasn’t accomplished anything close to what Zeke has, especially in the NFL.

Zeke >>>> Barkley. 

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jpfbucks01's picture

I think people's memories of that game are a bit off.

That game started on a 3 and out from us, then UM drove to near midfield and pinned us fairly deep, we ran 6 plays to get near midfield and pinned UM to their own 11

They then ran off an 18 play over 7-minute drive in the first quarter to go up 7-0,

we went 3 and out, they drive for another TD

we drive to midfield, then they go 80 yards in 9 plays for another score

with just under 6 minutes to go till half we were down 21-0, so no the D was not tired, just getting dominated

We drive for a score right before half to make it 21-7, UM then takes the 2nd half kick off and rives for another score, tied D? my backside, they had just come out of half time after the offense had eaten up over 5 mins TOP right before half, and the D promptly gave up 62 yards in 5 plays after plenty of rest and time to make half time adjustments

so we are down 28-7 and its only 2 minutes into the 2nd half.

The D would only give up 1 more score late when maybe by then they were gassed, but they gave up 28 points and well over 300 yards in just 5 possessions by UM, the D simply failed to show up that day

Overall TOP was even at half time as UM controlled the 1st Qtr and OSU the 2nd. The third was even so OSU's D had no excuse to any more tired than UM's was entering the 4th when they allowed UM to dominate TOP by 4.5 minutes

Sure OSU was going to have to win that game in a low scoring affair, but the defense just failed to hold up their end of it.

As for the Krenzel/McMullen issue, it was Krenzel who threw for 2 TDS in that game and yes McMullen stepped up well when Krenzel was dinged up for a while, but between them, they generated nearly 400 yards Total offense and only the 1 Turnover late

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Dstacify's picture

In that game the D did not perform well. But the offense was the true source of the problem throughout the 2003 season. Without Clarett they had absolutely no identity and on top of that the offensive line struggles that were present even during the 2002 Natty season unfortunately continued in 2003 (thanks in no small part to Bollman's horrific coaching). It's not hard to pinpoint what the problem was that season.

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BrooklynBuckeye's picture

I think any improper benefits to Clarett were just the tip of the iceberg and Geiger threw him under the bus to make it seem like an isolated incident. Ohio State itself went completely unscathed from the incident, which is a minor miracle. Not saying I agree with what was done, because fuck Andy Geiger, but he protected the institution that paid his checks. 

It's unfortunate that without the structure and purpose that football brought Clarett, and because of such a public fall from grace, he unraveled. It's nice to see him have his life back together, and great that he didn't do any permanent damage to himself or others during his darkest times. 

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BrutusB's picture

I mean, he had the structure and purpose of football in Denver.  But he was both un-motivated and an asshole to his coaches and they cut him before he even made it to preseason.  I'm glad he's turned it around, but lets be clear that a vast majority of his problems were his own doing.

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SilverState's picture

He had some issues with alcohol, no?

"Year for what?"

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Knarcisi's picture

Yeah, Grey Goose in a water bottle, no bueno. 

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SilverState's picture

No bueno, indeed.

"Year for what?"

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stxbuck's picture

Claret basically handed over his NFL signing bonus to an Israeli gangster in LA in exchange for the gangster sponsoring his training in LA for a year before the draft.

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andretolstoy's picture

That was some TMZ stuff right there. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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gobucks1966's picture

MC was trouble before he got here and the vest thought he could help him. MC cost us 3 recruits that went to ttun MC sold stolen cloths out of his car and was the most hated player on the Warren Harding team. He played for like three high schools during his career a Youngstown school and Austintown Fitch. He banged Prescott Burgess's girlfriend and Prescott, Manningham along with Shawn Grabel of Massillon were best of friends. Tress did everything in his power to settle that but couldn't. We got MC ttun got the other three true story.

Denny

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stxbuck's picture

And MoC did far more for tOSU on field, even in his brief career, than those 3 did for scUM or against tOSU. I'll certainly take the trade, even in hindsight.

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Dstacify's picture

No kidding. How the hell is this even an argument? You think Shawn Crable and Prescott Burgess would've STARTED at OSU with guys like A.J. Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, and Anthony Schlegel (arguably the best trio of LBs OSU has ever seen) rounding out the corps at the time (not to mention James Laurinaitis, Marcus Freeman, and Ross Homan coming not long after them)? Get out of here with that nonsense. Manningham no doubt would've been an asset to us but guess what? Santonio Holmes (who was a Florida recruit I might add) and Ted Ginn were both significantly better than Mario Manningham in their college careers. So again it's not like missing out on Manningham set us back as a program. scUM sure doesn't have the head-to-head victories against us to show for it. Terrible argument.

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Thurgood75's picture

I think this is a major swing. True MoC played for 2 high schools and went to an alternative school and him and Prescott did not get along. However Shawn Crable went to Massillon which is about 45 min or so drive so I'm not sure that had any influence on his decision. Also Mannigham was in like 8th or 9th grade when that happened and MoC was long gone by then.

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gobucks1966's picture

Manningham was a beast and a NFL star and who knows what other damage MC may have done to OSU's reputation or keeping other players from coming here. Your turning a blind eye too but imagine if all four came here what may have been.

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Dstacify's picture

Okay first off, Manningham was good in the NFL but not exactly what I'd consider a "star." His claim to fame was his excellent performance in SB XLVI (and he wasn't even the Giants' best WR that year, Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks were both better than him). Santonio Holmes on the other hand WAS a star NFL wideout. Ted Ginn may never have reached his full potential in the league but he's still playing today (while Manningham currently is not and hasn't since 2014) and is a significant contributor on a good New Orleans team. And to top it all off both Holmes and Ginn were better players for us in college than Manningham was at scUM. You really think we were sorely lacking at WR from 2003 to 2006 that we desperately needed Manningham on the team? Holmes, Ginn, and Anthony Gonzalez were a hell of a trio at OSU.

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stxbuck's picture

I don't think Crable and Manningham would have saved tOSU against Florida in the NC title game. Other than that, what didn't tOSU do during their careers? People get waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too speculative about coulda, woulda, shoulda regarding players that didn't choose tOSU-life happens, roll with it.

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Dstacify's picture

No shit. This retarded viewpoint that Clarett was responsible for botching our recruitment of those three guys is ridiculous. GoBucks1966, kindly put your tinfoil hat away. In no way did missing out on those three players set OSU back as a program. OSU still dominated scUM even in years they weren't supposed to (like 2004).

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cricejr's picture

Ahhh, so you would have rather had the other three rather than Mo and the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.  Got it. And Tress, what a piece of garbage for wanting to help someone from his hometown, geeez.

Comments like this are amazing to me; I'm almost certain that he thinks Geiger was great and Smith sucks.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I'll take Mo, the other team can have Burgess, Crable, Mario and Luigi for all I care. Seems like a fair trade to me! :)

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Dstacify's picture

Some OSU fans may disagree with me but Geiger was a piece of shit. Clarett was no saint either at the time (though it's great he's turned his life around post-prison). But the entire Dr. Strauss molestation cover-up mess happened under Geiger's watch and I have no doubt he had a huge hand in those cover-ups. But Clarett recently said on a radio show not too long ago that he could've played during the 2003 season and the NCAA wouldn't have objected to it (and who knows how that season ends up going for us if we'd had Clarett, at the very least we probably would've dealt another loss to scUM in Ann Arbor at the end of the year). He mentioned that Geiger pushed for him to sit out the entire year because Geiger was in a panic over what was going on with Jim O'Brien and the basketball program simultaneously at the time and was hesitant to punish O'Brien (who was his friend) so he decided to make an example out of Clarett and his situation (which was in the end completely pointless because Geiger ended up violating O'Brien's contract and firing him anyways which led to a lawsuit against the school that O'Brien ended up winning). It's not hard to deduce that that is probably what led to the hostility between Geiger and Clarett coming to a peak in 2005 when Clarett was declaring for the NFL and Geiger was finally forced out as AD.

It's amazing to me that Geiger lasted as long as he did as AD given all the horrible decisions he made. We had three presidents during the time that Geiger was at OSU (Gordon Gee in his first tenure from 1990-1998, Brit Kirwan from 1998-2002, and Karen Holbrook from 2002-2007) and all of them were just too overly tolerant of the rather cavalier way Geiger was running the athletic department. The only good things I remember Geiger doing when he was AD were the hirings of both Jim Tressel and Thad Matta. As much as people love to complain about Gene Smith now he is a complete breath of fresh air compared to Geiger.

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Nutinpa's picture

The only good things I remember Geiger doing when he was AD were the hirings of both Jim Tressel and Thad Matta. As much as people love to complain about Gene Smith now he is a complete breath of fresh air compared to Geiger.

Perhaps so.  But it has to be said that Tress and Matta were seismic-grade hires by Geiger - in his two largest revenue-producing sports.  Whatever shortcomings Geiger had as an AD or as a person, he has to be given credit for those two guys. 

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Dstacify's picture

Well considering I've heard Geiger originally offered the football head coaching job to Mike Bellotti (who I believe actually asked him in the interview if OSU had to play TTUN every year which should've been grounds for GTFO right then and there) I don't know how much credit I can give him for Tressel when a guy who was afraid of playing Michigan every season would've been the choice had he not turned us down. Can you imagine the deep shit OSU football might be in right now if Bellotti had been the choice instead of Tressel (or even Glen Mason for that matter)?

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cricejr's picture

I agree 100%. This is why it saddens me to see Gene Smith get so much hatred on this site and others.  If he did the thinks Geiger did people would have been literally calling for his head.

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Hovenaut's picture

I've found that looking not at the names, but rather what role these two had at the time, pretty much paints the picture.

The athletic director.

The star running back.

Could you image that shit going down between J. Edward Weaver and Archie Griffin?

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stxbuck's picture

Clarett was raised in an all too typical dysfunctional inner city environment. Archie Griffin came from a stable and loving family.

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LouBuck35's picture

Pat McAfee had Maurice on a live version of his podcast from Columbus.  Within that, Maurice openly admitted he had people doing his school work for him.  It was the preface of a really good point he makes to teams he speaks to - that don't allow administrators to gear you into easy classes/majors just to keep you eligible because even though they may be super easy, you are doing a disservice to yourself and not providing yourself any foundation if you don't go pro.

But the improper benefits piece seemed to likely be a smaller piece of the overall pie - and unfortunately probably not unique at the time.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Dstacify's picture

That's unfortunately not uncommon among star athletes at a school like OSU. I'm friends with multiple former OSU students who went to school with Terrelle Pryor and they all said that he skipped classes regularly and would absolutely have flunked out altogether had he not had his bright future in football working in his favor. Also apparently that 2008 OSU locker room was as divided as you can get because a lot of the seniors and upperclassmen leaders on the team disliked Pryor starting over Boeckman (who was a captain that year). Also, apparently most of the top WRs on the 2008 team straight up disliked Pryor in general that season, namely Hartline.

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stxbuck's picture

I had a rather well known former Buckeye of recent vintage ask me at the time what I thought of the whole Pryor-Boeckman issue and I replied that I thought starting Pryor was the right move. He disagreed with me.

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Dstacify's picture

There are points to both sides. OSU fans need to realize Boeckman was NOT a bad QB. Behind a good offensive line he was above average and could pick apart secondaries at will. The problem was in 2008 the offensive line took a huge step back from where they were in 2007 when Boeckman started the whole year. Losing Kirk Barton (the leader of that unit in 2007) was a huge blow to the line in 2008 but Bollman's shoddy coaching didn't help matters. So after the USC debacle where Boeckman struggled due to him running for his life for the majority of the game Tressel turned to Pryor due to his mobility which was honestly the right call at the time. The problem was Pryor was so unpolished as a passer in 2008 and it showed. The offense became completely one-dimensional with him as the starter (the 13-6 PSU debacle at home was on Pryor) and that move also divided the locker room as a lot of the upperclassmen were in Boeckman's corner (Jake Ballard even publicly expressed his displeasure with Boeckman not playing to the media after a game where the offense struggled that season). So the move had its drawbacks especially considering Tressel went right back to Boeckman in the bowl game that year because Pryor just wasn't getting it done through the air.

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stxbuck's picture

I can't stand the athletes who complain about being "forced' into easy majors that they really aren't interested in. That is a BS cop out for their own intellectual attitudes at the time-they didn't want to be in school and jumped through the hoops. If a well known player wants to major in something difficult-Craig Krenzel-molecular genetics,tOSU, Myron Rolle-pre med-FSU (he is now in a brain surgery fellowship at Harvard), John Urschel-theoretical genius math-PSU (now a Ph.D candidate at MIT) the school will bend over backwards to accommodate their schedule b/c A-it is the right thing to do and B-the PR value for the program of having a legit scholar-football player far outweighs any scheduling difficulties for the team manager. Besides, if a player is smart enough to ace calculus or organic chem, they are smart enough to miss an hour of team meetings here or there and make up what they need to know, football-wise.

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High St Heismans's picture

Real happy for Mo today,he's come a long way.Back then he said and did things that were very unbecoming not only to tOSU but college athletics.Then Jim Brown starts bumping his gums about the slave master bullshit.Hey Jim you were never a slave nor I a master and he had his own impressive rap sheet.Only took him about 70yrs to grow up

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Even Steven's picture

Anybody making Andy Geiger out to be the bad guy and Maurice Clarett to be the good guy — needs their head examined. 

I’m sorry, but, when you continually break team policy, university policy, and general rules of law ... you’re in the wrong. That ESPN 30 for 30 did that shit...I wasn’t buying it. Total hitjob on Geiger, but, I’m not surprised. It’s today’s media. 

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magruder80's picture

Come on Andy, if you are going to create a burner at least try to not be so obvious.

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Dstacify's picture

I'm not saying Clarett was completely in the right (he wasn't). But Geiger made numerous bad decisions as AD that were unrelated to Clarett (for example not doing anything about Dr. Strauss molesting OSU athletes which is coming back to haunt the school now and firing O'Brien prematurely without closely examining the language in his contract first). It's feasible enough to think that both of them were just terrible people at the time (and it's great to see that Clarett has turned his life around since then). But I maintain my stance that Geiger was still a piece of shit and a terrible AD. You have to be a special kind of shitty to think covering up molestation of your student athletes from one of your employees is a good idea.

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Zonabuck's picture

MoC graduated from high school in 2002, and Lebron James graduated a year later.  During LBJ’s senior year, MoC carried the Buckeyes to a national championship, their first since 1968. While that Buckeye team was very talented, MoC is the one guy who was indespensible.  So, during the offseason, MoC and LBJ we’re both rising superstars, but MoC was told he had to wait two more years before he could cShnin financially. Meanwhile, LBJ signed endorsement deals worth $100 million without ever playing a post-HS game.

Allegedly, these two were friends and were in contact with one another somewhat regularly. And MoC was not happy that he was yet able to get paid, which led to a lot of distractions, bad connections and even worse advice. I’m sure the situation was toxic, and at some point the Buckeyes recognized it was no longer salvageable. 

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stxbuck's picture

His problem w/ Clarett? Other than dragging the university through the mud w/ his issues and addictions at the time, and totally messing up the offense for the 03' and 04' seasons w/ his absence from the team? If Clarett played in 03', I think tOSU wins back to back NCs. Oh well, such is life.

Maurice has turned his life around, but JT handled him with the patience of a saint. It takes a lot to truly still have someones back after they put someone/someone's livelihood through as much as Clarett did w/ the tOSU program. I'll admit that Tressel is a far better person than I.

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gobucks1966's picture

Not so sure that Tress helped him like it's been reported. He got away with crap here too and never sat a game or punished in any manor. Tress at YSU had run ins with the NCAA in recruiting a qb and ran with some folks that went to jail Micky Monus sp. for one

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stxbuck's picture

I'm talking after everything went down and Clarett went to prison. Tressel didn't turn his back on him.

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Dstacify's picture

And none of that is as quite as eyebrow-raising as how Meyer went to bat constantly for a convicted murderer when he was at Florida. If you're going to have a go at Tressel for the way he handled Clarett Meyer is not exempt either for the way he mismanaged his players at Florida or the egregious way he mismanaged Zach Smith here. All coaches have their weak moments believe it or not.

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Bosco Baracus's picture

“Went to bat for a convicted murderer”?

You’re talking about Aaron Hernandez, right? He went to bat for him (if he even did) before he murdered people. Have never heard him say anything that could be construed as going to bat for him after it came out he was a murderer.

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Dstacify's picture

I'm not saying Meyer trying to help Hernandez was wrong (it was admirable) but Hernandez was actively killing people while he was at Florida (I'm pretty sure this has already been established). And yes, Meyer did go to bat for him because he knew he had problems and wanted to help him, he had him over to his house for Bible study regularly, this has all been documented in relation to Hernandez. Meyer's time at Florida speaks for itself. The program was completely out of control at the time when he left. I will give Meyer credit in that he was much better at managing his players at OSU than he was at Florida but that still doesn't excuse the poor way he monitored Zach Smith. The entire point of my comment was to call out GoBucks1966 above since he won't stop it with all these tinfoil hat comments about why Tressel is a PoS and how Clarett supposedly cost us three players that chose to go north instead (which I couldn't care less about since those players did NOT help them win against us head to head).

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Hernandez was actively killing people while he was at Florida

I have not heard this. Do you have a link? 

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stxbuck's picture

As a freshman, Hernandez was the primary suspect in a shooting in Gainesville where the victim was shot in head/face, but miraculously survived, thanks to the ER docs. The witness statements given to police described the shooter as a "Very large, athletically built Hispanic/Polynesian man w/ short hair, seen in the company of the Pouncey brothers/Gator football players"............this story is in basically every book or article written about Hernandez's life in the wake of everything that eventually happened.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Good info. Crazy. Hard to justify Urban keeping him on the squad. 

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Convicted is the key word here. Ill leave it at that 

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gobucks1966's picture

So very true Paterno was the most powerful man in Pa. since Ben Franklin and pretty sure Sandusky wasn't his only moment at PSU along with the Bear at Alabama. Oklahoma has had some things go on I'm sure it's just the way it is. That's why I dislike Tressell everyone paints a pretty picture of him for winning games. His closet door is hard to close too and not because of to many shirts and pants.

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Even Steven's picture

Maurice was indeed a beast, but, gotta say — Zeke, Beanie are special talents. I put them at 1A & 1B.

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stxbuck's picture

Clarett was amazing as true freshman straight out of the gate-Wazzu and Texas Tech-Zeke and Beanie had to go through a normal collegiate development process. When healthy, Clarett was on a historic level, even as a frosh.

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Dstacify's picture

Yep. The only back I can think of recently who was as generational a player as Clarett was is Zeke. I suppose Dobbins accomplished a lot his freshman year as well and broke Clarett's single-game freshman rushing record in his first career game in 2017 but Dobbins has played in a timeshare with Weber for the majority of his career. Clarett meanwhile WAS the OSU offense during that storybook Natty run in 2002 (as a freshman no less). I will straight up agree the guy had issues at the time but he was a hell of a player regardless.

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gobucks1966's picture

All of that aside his shoulder may have never lasted if he played here another year and I think that was part of why he tested the NFL. That kid did a lot of running in his day and took a pounding. I watched him at every game when he was at WGH.

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

Mo C. has turned it around, but the drunk driving a few years ago was really the worst thing he did. Could have killed a family or himself. Amazing how people skip right over that.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I'm going to guess that +90% of male sports fans have driven legally drunk at least once in their lives. MoC was doing worse in his prime.

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albinomosquito's picture

The 30-for-30 certainly makes Geiger to be the villain.  I know Mo had his issues, but I believe the contention with Geiger, right or wrong, was a catalyst for Mo's downward spiral.  Had he been able to complete his college career, or win his NFL appeal, he likely wouldn't have ended up in prison.  He would have been in the right football shape and state of mind through college, setting records and establishing a legacy, and probably drafted with an opportunity to make a name for himself as a professional.

Regardless of who the finger is pointed to, it's a tragic situation.  The fact that somebody with such talent and promise that was never truly realized is difficult to imagine.  You only get one shot, and his was lost as soon as it started.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

From what I can remember Andy Geiger was trying to turn Ohio St into an Ivy league school, you know education wise and he saw Clarett as a "thug". Trust me Andy Geiger was a pile of hot garbage.

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erniefurgler's picture

Mo discusses this subject on Pat MacAfee's podcast several months ago.  He didn't necessarily point blame at anyone & admitted his faults in the situation...but there was some definite CYA by Geiger.   I enjoy listening to Mo speak...very humble & mature guy and should be commended for righting his own ship.  Most stories like these don't end well

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kmp10's picture

Clarett was an 18-year-old child who thought he knew it all and who publicly took Ohio State/Geiger to task during Fiesta Bowl preparations over what he said was Ohio State's refusal to pay for him to attend the funeral of a childhood friend who had been shot and killed. He left no room for NCAA restrictions or the issues that were tying OSU's metaphorical hands behind its back... he acted spoiled and bratty, and he sulked. I realize that Clarett is popular on here, and I know that without him Ohio State isn't that season's title winner... but that problem, like just about every other problem Clarett had at that point in his life, was poorly handled by Clarett, and Geiger got very tired very quickly of being painted as the cold-hearted, apathetic ogre who was refusing to allow a kid in his charge to attend a funeral. Clarett was always challenging authority, and usually he was worse for the wear as a result... like when he challenged the NFL. 

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Dstacify's picture

I'm not debating that Clarett acted like a child at the time. But that doesn't make Geiger any less of a shithead for other mistakes he made as AD like failing to address the issues with Dr. Strauss (which now the current administration is paying for). Honestly IMO both Clarett and Geiger were equally at fault for the way that all went down. Clarett was guilty of being a spoiled brat who wouldn't stop challenging authority at every turn and Geiger plain and simple was just a terrible AD.

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Smitty516's picture

Couple of tidbits I’ll throw out from what I’ve seen heard:

-I love Youngstown Boys, actually just purchased it at Buckeye Corner a couple of months ago. 

-While I love it, as an absolute nerd, it bothers me they edit the video to make it seem that Maurice scores the first touchdown against Texas Tech when his 59 yard scamper was the second touchdown...(let’s give Lydell Ross some credit right?)

-In no way am I excusing Clarett’s actions, but from what I’ve been told by some close to the situation at the time, Mo’s mom was a crazy ass and really hurt his situation at Ohio State and life in general.

-One reason Troy Smith took the $500 from a booster was to help his mom pay for a phone bill that they had got for Maurice and he ran the bill up super ridiculous 

-When Clarett was at his peak as a celebrity, he got to party with Mike Tyson. I’ll leave the rest for your imagination...nothing good can come from this

-In regards to the convo about Prescott and Crabel...

-The day of the 2002 Ohio State vs ttun game, I had a preseason b-ball tourney at Massillon Washington. In order to not miss The Game because we were driving back on a bus, my dad, friend and I got a hotel to watch the game. Pumped up after our big win to go to the Fiesta Bowl, we go out and throw the football, where someone sees us and ask if we are going to the big game tonight? Turned out Massillon was playing Warren Harding in the playoffs in the Akron Rubber Bowl and we decided to go watch. Prescott and Crable both played in this game. It was a classic game by the way, Warren won 21-20 or something like that...

-I say this because on Sunday morning, we are getting breakfast at our hotel and freaking Massillon coach Rick Shepas was there getting breakfast. He said he was upset by the loss and didn’t want to go home after. Anyway, we got to talking and he straight up said that Prescott hated Clarett for taking his girlfriend and Shawn hated him too. I can’t speak for Manningham but Shepas himself told us this was the case. So having Clarett did cost us with these 2...

-That said, I’m personally taking Clarett over those 2 every time. 2002 was a magical season, and yes MoC shit on the program 2 years later, but looking back 16 years later, Ohio State turned out fine. More of this was because the ncaa is a joke and none of this is even close to what goes on down south.

-I give Geiger credit for renovating Ohio Stadium, but in general he was awful. I mean, the Schott  is okay, but...

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