Skull Session: Urban Meyer on the 2012 Team, Ohio State is “Wide Receiver U,” and Kaleb Wesson is Good at Basketball

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MichiBuck12's picture

I'll give Urbans podcast a listen. I'm not sure how long he will have the patience for something like that. But I'll give it a shot.

2012 was a wild ride. One of the most fun seasons in a long time despite all the sanction bullshit.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

The fact that Urban didn't win CoY was a crime

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The Rill Dill's picture

A three technique is not a defensive end. Dueces (deuces)?

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

2012 really was a special team that doesn’t seem to get it’s due enough. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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IGotAWoody's picture

Especially by the end of the season, that team was really cooking.

REALLY would've loved a chance to see us vs. ND that year for the title, but I'm not one that blames Gene Smith for that. When it comes to the NCAA, I think it's most likely that they would've imposed a bowl ban even if we had self-imposed in 2011. But that's just speculation on my part, just as it's speculation for others when they insist that Smith should have self-imposed to avoid the ban hammer in 2012.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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jpfbucks01's picture

I recently rewatched that 2012 opener against Miami and he is right we looked terrible early in that game. Braxton, in particular, was awful.

Miami was up 3-0 but had also missed a FG

Miami had run 26 plays for 172 yards (6.62YPP) had 6 1st downs and just over 9 mins TOP, they had completed 13/23 passes (56.5%)

We had run only 15 plays for 53 yards (3.53 YPP), only 2 1st downs and just under 6 mins TOP completing just 1 of 7 passes for 5 yards.

But from the 2nd Qtr on we dominated, but that 1st quarter was very ugly. That Miami team would go only 4-8 that year and only 3-5 in the MAC so they were not good at all.

The next week was UCF which was 17-10 at the half and finished 31-16, UCF was decent going 10-4 but lost to Tulsa twice and Mizzou as well, so no juggernaut

Then came Cal, a game that was tied until late into the 4th quarter when we scored to take a 7 point lead with a little over 3 to play and it was not until Cal threw a pick near midfield before we put them away. Cal would go only 3-9 that year

Then cam eUAB who we beat by only 14 with UAB being 3-9 as well.

All 4 of those were at home against vastly inferior teams and we looked decidedly mediocre.

We then had the 1 point win on the road against MSU and that seems to have been the turning point as from there the team started to gel and play more consistently especially on the offensive side of the ball.

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PRO8's picture

Even though we like Gene Smith... he was a big reason for that team not getting enough credit..

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Dillon G's picture

Is the shark confirmed to be a great white? I’ve read of the basking shark who has a very similar profile, especially when obscured by water. Either way, it’s a monster.

Lots of greatness in the 2012 season.

#walkaway

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PhillyNut's picture

It's a great white. Back fin on a basking shark is much bigger and the nose part of the face is more elongated.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I’m no expert but these people are and they also say basking shark. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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ibuck's picture

you're going to have to swim knowing you're sharing the water with this fellow (25-30 foot)

Not a shark expert, but a great white of that length is very unlikely to be male. It's the females that get to be around 25 feet.

Also, it seems great whites are scared spitless of Orcas.

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PRO8's picture

Here are the differences between basking sharks and white sharks. More than 99% of the white shark reports we get turn out to be basking sharks. They do have a similar body shape but if you know what to look for it's easy to distinguish them. 

https://www.town.orleans.ma.us/sites/orleansma/files/file/file/shark_information_2012.pdf

 I live in MA and I will not go in the ocean..

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Tony Stark's picture

How far is Martha's Vineyard from Amity Island?

But at 5000 pounds, that it is Basking Shark ranch unless it is one HUGE fn great white, That is Jaws size.  Katherine is a tagged great white and has been up to cape Cod and is around 2,300 lbs estimated. (you can google it and follow her track on the net)

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Dmac3212's picture

I'm not sure but I wont even swim in the ocean in MA (cape cod) because of great whites. 

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Moo Strength's picture

We need recruit that shark for the defensive line. He'd make one scary ass DT.

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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PRO8's picture

Mainly fans were upset with Kaleb because he lacked the BB IQ to stay in the game and...seems he may lack maturity in that he had to miss 3 games without even drawing a foul...

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ScarletGray43157's picture

he had to miss 3 games without even drawing a foul.

This.

Needs to mature in other ways than physically so this doesn't happen again, especially at the worst possible time like it did last year. 

Hopefully this has happened. We will see.  

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I'm totally pulling for the kid. The suspension had to be tough, but at that level, you've just gotta know better, unless you're at Clemson and we're talking PEDs, which on the outside appear to be sanctioned by "someone". Go get 'em Kaleb.

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Buckabroad's picture

Honest question: Why do so many pundits place TTUN so high in their pre-season rankings? As far as I know, they lost a lot, especially on defense. Also, history suggests the high point of their bell curve will be in the pre-season rather than at season's end. Meanwhile, the Buckeyes - while starting a new QB - are stocked with talent all over the field.

Case of failing to learn from the past perhaps?

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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PhillyNut's picture

It is the Harbaugh mystic. So many writers from day 1 had been saying he was the savior and that championships would come in bunches up there that they have to keep doing it in the hopes that they are eventually right.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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MD-PAbuck's picture

Before that it was Hoke-mania and long ago it was the Rich Rod Rebuild.There is even word of Llllllloyd Carr's revenge before the age of Tatoo. These prophecies are never fulfilled despite the feverish worshipping in the mitten to the north

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Right: it’s like saying a broken clock is right twice a day—stick with your prediction long enough and eventually you’ll get it right. To me, though, it’s more like betting the same six numbers on every Powerball—each time you lose doesn’t mean you get that much closer to winning it all.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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D-Train's picture

If they don't do it now, when do you want them to do it? The end of the season is obviously out of the question

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TMac's picture

Why do so many pundits place TTUN so high in their pre-season rankings? - - -  history suggests the high point of their bell curve will be in the pre-season

I think you answered your own question. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Extramedium's picture

Every season there is a scramble among CFB pundits to declare anyone except Ohio State as the top team in the Big Ten.  I don’t know if it’s because their publishers tell them they need a hot take, or if they are just tired of OSU being on top.. last year it was laughably Wisconsin, replaced by UM partway through the season, now it’s UM because they are returning a few average players and an average coach.  Oh and mostly because they are not Ohio State

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milhouse4588's picture

They want Michigan to be good. That's pretty much it. Harbaugh brings headlines and if they did return to former glory under him it'd be a huge story.

They also don't want to acknowledge us as an elite team like Bama or Clemson. We aren't on their level (yet, tbd) but we are still so far above the rest of the Big Ten that treating us like them is the only other option.

While we are extremely talented and optimistic as a fan base, most teams that are replacing the best QB in school history, one of the best coaches in school history, a large part of our passing offense from last year in 3 WRs, and have quite a few new coaches on staff as well...objectively it's okay to not rank us that highly. So by default they have to rank UM above us.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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ibuck's picture

While we are extremely talented and optimistic as a fan base, most teams that are replacing the best QB in school history, one of the best coaches in school history, a large part of our passing offense from last year in 3 WRs, and have quite a few new coaches on staff as well...objectively it's okay to not rank us that highly.

Yep, and placing someone above OSU sells magazines / ads / pageviews. This year it also feeds UM's need.

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allinosu's picture

Didn't you hear? They have a highly developed space age offense with secret new plays that no one has ever tried before. 

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

They know that we buckeye fans the largest fan base in the world will give them all the clicks they need as we bitch (myself included) about it all off season.

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Bucks19's picture

They are talented for starters. Then they have the best QB in the BIG as we sit here in July. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

I don’t understand how any buckeye fan could be hateful toward a guy that was far and away our best player the last 2 years. Without him, no way Holtman has the immediate impact he has had so far. The rebuild would have certainly taken longer. My only criticism is his dumb fouls away from the ball and in the back court, and like previous osu big men, when in arms length of the basket, DUNK IT.

        Sounds a little disengenouis that Meyer would be disinterested in the 12’ team. That came later, starting in 2015. Still shake my head how Meyer waited till the loss @ home to msu’s 3rd string QB to shake things up. 

        Peak intelligence will be achieved when we figure out how to travel in space without spacecraft.

Have a great day W’s, cuz ttun still sucks.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I don't think anyone should be hateful to any athlete.  With Wesson, I was just waiting for him to take his conditioning seriously.  I honestly think half of his on court troubles stem from being out of shape.  He didn't need to lose weight, he knows how to use the weight in the right way, just be in better shape to position himself quicker and in the right way to avoid the stupid fouls he would give up.

That video, it looks like he got to work this offseason.  If he is better conditioned, even if he stays at the same level as far ask skill and production, will make him a monster for this team down low and allow the youth to play loose around him.

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ibuck's picture

I don’t understand how any buckeye fan could be hateful toward a guy that was far and away our best player the last 2 years. Without him, no way Holtman has the immediate impact he has had so far. The rebuild would have certainly taken longer. My only criticism is his dumb fouls away from the ball and in the back court

IMO, KBD was the best OSU B1G player in 2017-18, but Kaleb's presence & play sure helped that.

I agree that KW's play was crucial to Holtmann's impact, as seen last season when he was absent. I am encouraged by the apparent weight loss and hope it means better conditioning. But it may not be much help if Kaleb still lets opponents goad him into stupid (reaction) fouls, especially in the backcourt. Hoops smarts include "keeping your head in the game", as Hoosiers (film) fans know.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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Bucks19's picture

Why are Buckeye fans hateful towards Wesson? That’s what some of our idiotic fans do. It’s shameful!

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BucksHave7's picture

I will be rooting for #2 a lot this year!    Which bonehead announcer will say during the course of the season nice run and TD by Chase Young!

BucksHave7

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BuckFly's picture

So you’re saying Chase Young won’t have a strip sack fumble return for a TD?

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BucksHave7's picture

Good point.  And Mike Dobbins blows up a defender blocking for Fields!

BucksHave7

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Who’s Mike Dobbins?

Clearly, Ohio State ranks #1 in the #2 business...this season is going to be septic epic.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BucksHave7's picture

Good catch.  Wow, was I really thinking Mike Webber this early in the morning. 

BucksHave7

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

"Mike Robbins"

And I thought you were throwing Beth Mowins some shade.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

You should've rolled with it, dude. It was an excellent left-handed compliment for bad announcers.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Bucks19's picture

They all clearly know who’s who. 

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Melissa's picture

I have a #2 jersey and will definitely being wearing it to a game this year 

Go Bucks!

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blueblazer22's picture

Right hand drive in a country where left hand drive is the norm would have to be strange to say the least. Not sure why I chose that link today, but it is kind of fun, and I wonder how long it would take to get used to driving on essentially the wrong side of the road with regularity. 

I still have my TP-era #2 jersey and will continue to wear it, but in particular this season. No reason not to, but when a Young and a Dobbins are the current wearers it is tough to do a whole lot better than that o/d duo. Maybe another 2012 type undefeated season is coming....

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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RodVedder4's picture

My #2 jersey is a Mike Doss vintage - gray on the sleeves and everything, looking forward to wearing it more than normal this season!

Excellence and greatness will be remembered...there is no room for average. None. - Urban Meyer

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Joey Bosa

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TMac's picture

Happy Birthday Coach Matta! #Only52

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kmp10's picture

“I wasn’t going to take the job. If they said you were going to lose nine scholarships and a bowl game, I wasn’t going to do it because that’s usually set up for failure.”

The program you grew up idolizing during your 1970s Ashtabula, Ohio childhood, the university from which you earned a graduate degree while helping to coach its football team decades before, and a top three job in America, bowl ban or not, would have received a "no" from you had you known about nine scholarships being revoked over a three year period (we're talking about a penalty far removed from PSU level, program-killing reductions, to be clear)? Either Meyer is being hyperbolic, again, or he lied about his lifetime-long admiration and love for the Ohio State program. Any professional football coach who grew up in Ohio during the 70s idolizing Woody Hayes and the Buckeyes (as I did) would walk to Columbus if offered the OSU job, scholarship reduction or not, so Meyer saying he would have declined Smith's job offer is disappointing if true... but Meyer is fluent in rhetoric and overstatement, so I'm never certain where the truth lies with him. 

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Either Meyer is being hyperbolic, again, or he lied about his lifetime-long admiration and love for the Ohio State program. 

There is also the strong possibility that you are projecting what you feel you would do and making assumptions based upon that.

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osu78's picture

There's a difference between life long admiration and love and deciding if you want to step into a situation where you might no be able to turn it around fast enough to avoid being tagged a failure. If he hadn't gone undefeated and then won a NC the story about UM may have been very different. Instead of a triumphant return it would have been he should have stayed retired while at the top. Recruiting may have taken a big drop, and we could have very much been on a different trajectory. I can see where someone may question whether they want to take that risk, regardless of how they feel about the program.

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kmp10's picture

Yep, all true, all fair points, and I'm absolutely projecting. Having said that, Meyer seemingly so often makes mountains out of molehills that accepting his words at face value can be challenging... at least for me. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I'm with you Kmp, I found that a bit hard to believe that he would've walked away. Maybe (and I guess likely) that it's true but I would have figured it was a bump in the road and not a deal breaker.

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Exile's picture

On the one hand, I don't think you can overestimate how much UFM hates losing. 

And on the other hand, in a situation like that it could have taken YEARS to recover. What if a bunch of players transferred out? And then it's a losing season. And you've got fewer scholarships, and top recruits may not be willing to come to your losing program. 

And let's not forget where OSU was when Meyer came. As much love as there is for Tressel, let's not forget the narrative that was dogging us: can't keep up with the SEC, with SEC speed. So now you already have this perception that we're not really a contender outside of the Big10, and then you add in a losing season in his first year, can't get recruits to turn things around... I don't blame Meyer for being hesitant to come to a program facing NCAA sanctions. It's a thin line between the great way things did turn out and the way they easily could have. Especially when you hear Meyer talking about how bad his own attitude was. Nothing predestined about the success. 

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armynurseboy's picture

Osu78, I concur.  You can have an emotional attachment to a team, yet still recognize it's a bad professional move to agree to coach it.  For better or worse, coaches are creatures of reputation. If you have a good reputation, you get better job offers and bigger salaries.  It's not a smart professional move to accept a job that may set you up for failure (no matter how good you really are) and destroy your professional reputation that you spent years cultivating.

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Its a business not EA NCAA 14. The guy came here and won A LOT. Including a Natty. Why is there so much complaining. 

Also, he's just being real/honest and he gets criticized for it. Zach Smith on the other hand gets praised as great insight...

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Earle's picture

This is one of the greatest comments that I've ever been around.

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Snake64's picture

I've thought for a very long time that us fans overstate Urban's love for this University. While yes he may love it and he may have said it was his "dream school". But there's also quotes out there that ND and TTUN were dream schools as well at one point and i'm not sure how one could have either school be both considered dream schools in this rivalry. Either you're in it or you're not and this is just another bad insight to Urban's true feelings

I really feel that remark by him about not taking the job if he'd known the eventual sanctions leads me to believe he'd strongly consider another job out there if the market and money were right regardless of his "love" for OSU. Great coach and i respect him for that but that's where my admiration for the man stops. He's not a greaty guy outside of that and his past has shown it no matter how many times we ignore it because of what he accomplished here.

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lamplighter's picture

Hmm so 2 articles today about intelligence - one about losing IQ and the other about AI.  Future may no be so bright as to require shades

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MN Buckeye's picture

Conspicuously missing from that list of schools with the most receivers drafted? Alabama

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Bucks19's picture

Not a surprise. They have had a few great ones but when you run it 75 times a game, you can’t show much. Much like our TE usage 

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Hovenaut's picture

Nice look back on the 2012 season. I think, for me anyway, that season was quickly overlooked after the Buckeyes went undisputed a couple years later, but that squad is deserving of respect.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Meyer said he placed blame on the players, not himself, until he saw what John Simon was willing to give to the team, and he realized he wasn't all in, but the players were.

I personally feel that the 2012 season was John Simon's. He put his stamp on that team and led the way. UFM owes that Buckeye a great debt of gratitude.

I had the wonderful privilege of attending the UAB game that magical season. Sweet memories.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I was in the Shoe for the 2012 version of The Game... it was the day where the entire stadium cried!  Nobody knew if John Simon was going to be able to play in his final game against TTUN.  When he came out in street clothes and embraced Urban - the entire stadium was teary eyed!  It was an amazingly powerful moment that I will never forget!

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Chic'sGhost's picture

I gotta believe the chances of getting crushed by a television drop off substantially if you are standing neck deep in the ocean.  

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Happy July 11th! Free small Slurpee's at 7/11 between 11 am and 7 pm today.

7-11...always open!

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

So Ohio State is Wide Receiver U already and now we have an elite WR coach. Life is good.

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Huskerbuck's picture

Very pleased to have KW back.  Can't help but believe that if he continues to take his S&C program seriously that he will make great strides in leading his team and creating more interest at the NBA level.

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typeOHpositive's picture

2012 was one of the best seasons in Buckeye history imo....when a bunch of players who were so down the year before decide to be the best they can with no post season possibilities, and then they go out and go undefeated....it was special. You talk about playing for pride, wow, that season was a monster and it laid the groundwork for what would become Urban's juggernaut.

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Holy shit - we just got back from Cape Cod last night and was on Martha's Vineyard Monday!  Damn good thing swimming in the ocean was not on the agenda.

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Brohio's picture

Feel free to downvote, but if you can't accept the reality that Zach Smith is 100% responsible for the culture shift in our WR room, then you're living in a fantasy land. The whole Zone 6 thing changed our program for the foreseeable future. You see recruits tweeting #Zone6 before they even get here, you see former players bonding with recruits over Zone6, and you never saw any of that before ZS. It's become a brotherhood of sorts within the brotherhood of BuckeyeNation. Hartline is the recruiter of the year no question and he's busting his ass, but would our WR classes look the same over the last 2 seasons without the culture shift of Zone6? It's subjective, but I say no. It has been an awesome thing to watch, and Hartline is doing a great job of moving it forward. 

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Since1919's picture

scUM #4? Athlon is on crack

" Successful people are very lucky. Just ask every failure."
~ Urban Meyer

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Bucks19's picture

 On most every magazine has them at least in the top eight 

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eclectic_tastes's picture

"a glorified running back playing quarterback"

Why do I still read this garbage? It's like going from The Daily Show with Jon Stewart to Trevor Noah

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I mean, if you don’t like what you’re reading and you’re still coming here to read DJ almost a year later, that’s kind of on you at this point.

But FYI, Braxton Miller is probably my favorite Ohio State player of all time. But I’m not going to pretend he was a competent passer entering the 2012 season.

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I WILL NEVER GO SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN AGAIN!!!!!!!!

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