My favorite topic! The Demise of Ohio State
actually, Hiring Mason would have led to our demise. I cant stand the way he says Uhia State
This was going to be my comment. Andy Geiger had the wherewithal to hire Jim Tressel.
Imagine this, though. If not for Day, we’re likely looking at Dino Babers or Matt Campbell right now.
Dino Babers I could get behind. Campbell I'm more lukewarm on (nothing about his resume at ISU really stands out, he just seems to be a really great guy who knows how to manage a program). I think Day will be better than both of them though.
Campbell hasn’t won 10 games at a program yet.
I would have hired Jim Tressel. They would have hired Rich Rod. I'm liking how this plays out.....
And that lead us to where we are now, 2788 days since Mich last won a game. I like that scenario.
If Dr. Emmitt Brown showed up at my door and proposed a ride in the DeLorean to relive these events I'd be down.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
What if you screw it up, though? Try your best not to run into your mom...
They would have hired Rich Rod. I'm liking how this plays out.....
The whole Rich Rod fiasco still lives today. UM hired RR because he ran the spread offense. If it worked for Florida vs. OSU, it will work for us, right? Bwahahahaha. The salt in the wound was that OSU actually hired Meyer and went 7-0 against UM. Bwahahahahahaha.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
If you were going to predict a nose dive for our beloved program, wayyyyyy back to Cooper's demise, how would it have planned out? Who would've been the HC hire? Who would the deer-tick state up north have hired?
Got an errand to run and mischief to make. Will let you know when I get back.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
My suggestion would be to go back in time a few weeks and enjoy being a MOD for topics such as:
- Zach Smith
- Why can't we discuss the Strauss investigation?
- Zach Smith podcast
- DJ Byrnes sucks
I know, as a mod years ago (stupid live blog chat spam days), I loved seeing topics that were immediate headaches over a simple forum topic like this! /S
LOL! All in a Day's work, to coin a phrase, Bucks.
Thanks for commiserating. It's a labor of love here on 11W.
Glen Mason. We were lucky he turned us down to stay at Minnesota which led to us ending up with Tressel instead. All I can say is I'm glad we didn't have to experience what this program might've looked like under Mason. Have nothing against the guy personally he's just very middling as a coach and likely would've failed at OSU. I will tell any OSU fan who thinks that P.J. Fleck might be a good future OSU head coach if Day departs sooner than we think that Fleck reminds me a lot of Glen Mason tbh.
I actually forgot Glen Mason ... shutter. Thanks for the refresher!
Mine would have to be Chris Peterson. There were only a few that even had his name in their mind, but there were a couple high up within administration at the time that floated him as a candidate.
While he has proven to be a solid coach, I don't think it would've worked well at all.
I don't remember Chris Petersen (I'm assuming this was around the time Tress got in trouble). I do remember Gary Patterson's name being floated around as a possibility though at the time. That would've been interesting. Patterson is without a doubt a good coach (though he also has a little bit of Harbaugh-like insanity in him) though he doesn't have access to the best resources recruiting-wise at TCU. I think he would've done good things at OSU (though Meyer was obviously a much better option for this program).
Former Boise State coach, currently HC @ Washington I believe.
Edit: He was in consideration when Tressel was hired, not years later in trouble.
How proven was Petersen at the time? I know his Boise State teams were good and on par with what UCF is now to the college football world but still Tressel was hired in 2001. Petersen was probably still somewhat green as a HC at the time (and OSU wasn't as open to hiring inexperienced head coaches back then as they are now).
Both Peterson & Harris were floated as names to consider. It's been so long, I cant remember the ins and outs of it. Chris was a up and comer & Walt was on the heels of Pitt doing above average. Walt being former QB/offensive coach with OSU before getting the HC @ Pitt.
If memory serves from way back then, Walt's infidelity with his secretary & interpersonal coaching conflicts were starting to spread around inner football circles. He was a hot candidate for a few years but some of the behind the curtain info eliminated him from serious consideration @ tOSU, thankfully.
Peterson is a lot like JT in that he does things his way, coaches his team through his QB, is somewhat idiosyncratic in his recruiting-it’s all about fit for him, not starhanderouter slobbering; and is rather intensely tied to his specific geographic region. He’s not the kind of guy to bounce around the country for his career.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never thought OSU offered Mason the job -- despite the fact that he was a candidate (along with Jon Gruden, Bob Stoops, and Mike Bellotti). He definitely interviewed for the role (with Minnesota's permission to do so, I might add), but I don't think he was ever given the chance to coach his alma mater. I have heard rumors that Mason, being the good guy he is, asked his team's permission to come back into the fold after he didn't get the job, though.
Pretty sure Bellotti turned us down, though. No idea if talks progressed far enough for Stoops and Gruden to get an offer, but I'd imagine they'd have gotten one had their interest been serious enough.
Wasn't Belotti the one who asked Andy Geiger if OSU has to play TTUN every year? Um, no thanks.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Gruden probably wasn't interested. He prefers the NFL to college. Stoops was running a powerhouse program of his own at Oklahoma at the time and Coop had set OSU back as a program also around that time. I doubt he was interested in coming here to clean up Coop's mess.
Mason never turned down the job. In fact, he actually brought his team together to break the news that he was going to OSU before the job was offered, which was something that left a mark on his Minnesota program after the fact.
Belotti allegedly was asked by people in the interview something along the lines of “we despise losing to our rival on the last game every season. It just destroys any of the good that’s happened to that point. What would you do differently?” And Belotti responded, allegedly, with something like “why not move the game up to October so you don’t end the season on a down note?” The interview was pretty much over at that point and Belotti removed his name from consideration when his plane landed.
“Insiders” swear that Tressel was the choice all along, and that the rest was just window dressing. I wasn’t super plugged in at the time, but it sure seemed like there were bigger names OSU was going after and we kind of settled on JT, although I have no doubt he nailed every aspect of the interview and had the bona rides to back it up. It was a risk that paid off immensely, even with the way it ended up in 2011.
Ahhhh, okay - so that's why Mason brought his team together. I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't plugged in at the time (probably had to do with the fact that I was 11 years old at the time), but this all makes a ton of sense.
I agree that Tress likely wasn't Geiger's first choice. When you have names like Gruden and Stoops that you're targeting, there's no way that's all window dressing to snag a guy out of 1-AA. Granted, it all worked out in the end -- so I'm certainly not complaining.
TBH, I'm kinda shocked that Stoops didn't take the gig. Even with the title and a powerhouse program at OU, when momma comes calling, you answer.
Tressel wowed the powers that be with his interview-there wasn’t a lot of national jostling for the job. tOSU isn’t necessarily the most attractive job nationally, b/c it comes with a ton of pressure and expectations, but w/out the laissez faire attitude towards bagmen and academics that a lot of top Southern schools have-stuff doesn’t get swept under the rug at tOSU. Tressel realized this-and realized, at that particular time, tOSU needed an Ohio reboot, so to speak.
It's my opinion that Mason would have been a disaster.
I interviewed Mason after his win over Ohio State in 2000. Well, I was part of the press post-game press gaggle who were there to interview Mason and some of the Gophers.
Mason really put on a show. Tears, gushing over how special it was to him in Ohio Stadium, blah, blah, blah. I've never seen more obvious campaigning for a job.
I let him go on for a while, no one had asked any questions and I wanted to get on with it because I had stories to write. He paused for a breath and I just blurted out a question about his WR Ron Johnson who had made the Bucks' pass D look putrid.
All of a sudden he was no longer tearfully waxing eloquent about Ohio State. He yelled at me, "I'M NOT FINISHED YET."
He was a complete putz.
I'm pretty sure that's the only time Mason ever beat OSU when he was at Minnesota. Once Tressel got to OSU he quickly turned his former colleague into his bitch in that matchup (including a revenge victory at the Metrodome in his inaugural season where Steve Bellisari had one of his best career games at OSU).
I was in the stands for that fiasco.
The real downfall would've been if Urban wasn't hired in 2012.
Yeah, Cooper was bad the last couple years, but he was never 6-7 bad. A losing record at Ohio State was unfathomable, even during a "scandalous" season. The only other coach who could've dug the team out of the hole within a year was Saban, and we know he wasn't leaving 'Bama. I can't recall any other names being considered back then (maybe Stoops or *gag* Brian Kelly. I'm too lazy to Google it), but I know none of them would've been as successful as Urban. If the team went from 6-7 to 8-4 or 9-3 in 2012, OSU would probably be in Tier 2 of the sport, loitering with Penn State, Michigan, LSU, etc.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
As I mentioned above I think Gary Patterson was considered for the job around the time Tattoogate broke. But Meyer was always option #1 from the get go so I doubt they seriously considered very many other candidates. Now if OSU had shocked the world and won the B1G in 2011 and even entered the Natty picture that year they would've had a decision on their hands. Fickell taking the job permanently would've been hard to dismiss if that had played out in 2011.
Also Coop went 6-6 in '99 in case you forgot (and we didn't even qualify for the postseason that year which was NOT the case in 2011). That's pretty damn close to 6-7 (and he didn't have the excuse of suspensions and looming sanctions to hide behind that year).
Crazy to think how slim the margin of defeat was in most of those games. Losing to Sparty by 3, blowing a 21 point lead to Nebraska, Purdue on a blocked extra point, Penn State and Michigan by 6 points each. If they had even a below average offense, they could've gone 10-2.
Yep. That's why I give Fickell somewhat of a pass for 2011. Inheriting Jim Bollman as OC (and also calling plays for the first time) is not ideal for any first time HC.
The problem with Coop was that we had some great athletes, but also some bad apples. It was a football factory, and not in a good way. Tressel had some house cleaning to do when he got here and had to rebuild. Fortunately there was some great leadership and guys who bought in early so he could go on that magical run in 2002, but we saw the impacts after that. I hate to think what might’ve happened if we got a national name coach who didn’t lock down Ohio, and all those Glenville kids ended up Up North.
tOSU was ready to hire Meyer after JT's departure, but the timing was wrong so they went into a holding pattern for a year w/ Fickell. smart move. I don't think the tOSU brass considered anyone except Urban, hence Fickell's interim tag. It's a rare occasion when a historic team/program-like tOSU, the Yankees/Red Sox/Lakers/UK hoops-whomever-can set their ego aside publicly and make an overtly strategic move, w/ a temporary downside.
But if Urban wasn’t a lock, there’s no way Fickell got the job, correct? He was a deer in the headlights all season long, and the management of the QB situation was a disaster at every turn. I always figured he was given the HC job because we needed Heacock to run the defense and Bollman to helm the offense. I’m not sure there was any better way to shift responsibilities.
Fick got the interim job because there's never really going to be an available OSU caliber HC on 5/31. Teams have already gone through spring ball at that point, no HC is jumping ship to a school staring sanctions in the face. Fick probably doesn't get the full time job even without Urban, but he still would have been given the interim title
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Yes, I'd agree that if the plan to hire Meyer wasn't already in motion, tOSU would not have done the interim coach thing-and hired someone else other than Fickell.
Fickell was definitely shellshocked at times, but in defense of his performance, only one of tOSU's losses was by more than 7 points, and tOSU almost certainly would have beaten Nebraska in Lincoln if Braxton didn't get hurt and Bauserman was forced into action. Fickell obviously learned from the experience, and I could see him as the favorite to return to tOSU as HC whenever Day leaves, based on his performance at UC so far.