Skull Session: Chase Young and Jeffrey Okudah Are Potential Top-10 Picks, What if Ohio State Beat Michigan State in 1998, and Buckeyes Crack the Nation's Top-100

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Okudah and young are both thoroughbreds for the NFL at their positions. I think okudah has some more work to do to put himself solidly in the first round lock conversation but he’ll get there.

chase young is a prototype. He’s got all the tools and should be a top five pick no question 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Even Steven's picture

Okudah is gonna go all Jack Tatum on people’s asses this year. I gotta feeling!

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Dillon G's picture

It’s fun talking about upcoming first round Buckeye draft picks in July. I also speculate who the fastest burners are.

#walkaway

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GINNandjuice's picture

Def a Whine and cheese crowd up there

All Glory is Fleeting

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Buctor's picture

If all goes as planned/hoped.  There will again be multiple OSU players drafted high.  Through my scarlet tinted lens, three seems low, regardless of which NFL teams choose early.

Through those same lens, the Redskins should be choosing later than third.  Unless of course, they trade up!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

That Sparty game in 98 or the hoops regional final against TTUN in Lexington in 93. It’s a toss up for me as to which was the bigger disappointment for being in the building. I remember each like it was yesterday. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

In hindsight I don't think I would change anything. Whether it be the 98 Sparty game or the whole tatgate thing. Everything has worked out pretty well for us.

Definitely a whine and cheese crown in Ann Arbor. But thats to be expected from a group of people who believe themselves superior to everyone else.

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MaineStrength's picture

Definitely a whine and cheese crown in Ann Arbor. But thats to be expected from a group of people who believe themselves superior to everyone else.

One look at the fan cam during games and you see that...not much diversity and the diversity is white folks and Asians.  But, the fans at the stadium it's not that unsurprising given the socioeconomics of the students and the families they come from.  I'll post a link below.  And, I don't mean that to sound superior.  I did not attend UM.  My dad did, but my parent's family socioeconomics are quite different.  My mom's side is very working class blue collar and my dad's side is much more white collar.  And, despite having a graduate degree myself, it's not an MD, PhD, or MBA like the rest of my dad's side of the family.  My MS is in exercise science so I'm basically an educated jock.  Anyways...all that said, despite growing up a UM fan, I never quite fit in with most of those folks.  I'd probably feel more comfortable in OH's Elite FTS, Westside Barbell, etc. crowds.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-michigan-ann-arbor

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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PRO8's picture

I always wondered what would have been if Coop was fired after 5 seasons as he deserved to be. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Is this the year that FOX passes ESPN in college football ratings for good?  I think so. 

BucksHave7

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blocko330's picture

They are finally going to have a College Gameday-esque show this year on Saturday mornings and I can not wait for that. I don't believe it's going to be as long as Gameday but the list will include host Rob Stone alongside Meyer, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart and Brady Quinn. 

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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BucksHave7's picture

Agreed.  Now its clear to me espn doesnt provide factual journalism, yet only tries to get more clicks by creating fake content.

BucksHave7

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Bucks19's picture

No way!!! Way too many commercials. It’s brutal to watch a game on Fox. I won’t go to a game broadcast by Fox unless it’s a marquee game 

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IsJoeFlaccoElite's picture

Looking at that FPI poll, it also has Texas at 24th, and most preseason polls have them in the top ten.  

I’m looking forward to watching Burrow  take on Texas in week two. 

Go Bucks. 

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mr.green's picture

People just need to remember, It’s not a poll. It’s an index. A poll is a ranking based on multiple people/computers ranking the teams.  An index is a ranking based on putting multiple data points (yes many are subjective) into a computer and seeing where the teams fall. 

OSU has s new, transfer QB, new HC. New DC. New OC. Lost the best HC (stat wise) and QB in school history. Brings back only half its RB production, lost its best lineman and receivers.

Looking at it objectively — going into the season — we don’t look good.  But we all know better. We know we have a great HC, that our QB will be awesome and everything else is gonna be fine. Once the season starts and we win some games we will shoot right up this Index

I believe we were on top of it before Purdue last year. It’s weird seeing OSU below Auburn and some of these others for sure. But it’s just an index. I’m not concerned.  

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PhillyNut's picture

It is always much better to have the Buckeyes keep proving ESPN wrong and how useless their projections are.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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semperfibuck's picture

Much as I try to ignore ESPiN editorials or analysis, someone always reminds me how stupid they remain. My life is MUCH better since I gave up watching Mark May and the rest of the ESPiN lightweights “pontificate” about things. Their FPI “ratings” are perhaps the best example of their stupidity. My advice; ignore everything ESPiN except games and game reruns.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

"My advice; ignore everything ESPiN except games and game reruns."

This is not new news.

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Canukbuck's picture

Lest we forget - Happy Birthday, Urban Meyer !!  Coach turns 55 today (easy math for me, as I'm 10 years older today) .....

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Buctor's picture

Congrats to you too Canukbuck, 65 is one of the big ones, or at least it was in years past.  Retired or soon to be?

If retired you know, if not you will soon find out, can't tell anyone what you do, but your busy all the time and can't figure out how you ever had time to go to work!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Canukbuck's picture

I've got my Freedom 95 plan firmly in place !!  Hahaha, I have a feeling I'll expire, before I retire .....

Thanks for the congrats, Buctor !!

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lamplighter's picture

welcome to the club.  Hope you have a happy day and many more

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Canukbuck's picture

Thanks, Lamplighter !!  Going to skip out of work early, pick up my gal and head to the Bluesfest here in Ottawa (George Dickel Bourbon will be tagging along as well) !!!

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blueblazer22's picture

So Moe Berg was a spy during WWII. I have read about him as a player, mostly since he was with the White Sox back in the day, but to see that he was on his way to being a possible killer is wild. I may need to check out that book. 

Something tells me that Saban would still have been a good and major coach even without that MSU game, but the ripples are somewhat intriguing to consider. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Moe Berg was a fascinating man. His pedigree and worldliness makes him seem very Bond-like, right down to introducing himself to someone: “Berg. Moe Berg.”

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BainbridgeBuckeye's picture

There was also a movie called "The Catcher Was a Spy" which came out in 2018. The hubs who is a baseball nut and history nut and I saw it and it was very good. A very complex man and story!

We didn't lose the game.. we just ran out of time.  Vince Lombardi

 

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PRO8's picture

I see the movie , I'm in and out in two hours....

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buckguyfan1's picture

#13...

Simplify...

13-0 and a chance to go 14-0

In another universe ttun still sucks...

Beat wisky.  

Earn this...  Beat clemson.

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Evansvillebuckeye's picture

Sooo, where do we buy a Carmen’s Crew Jersey?

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Knarcisi's picture

So that FPI ranking, you can’t even determine what the formula is even after reading the description on ESPN. I do believe SOS is heavy, so the tougher the schedule the lower the ranking. We do have a top 20ish schedule. Still, they’re drunk. 

And that being said, LSU might be the most overrated preseason program in the last 20 years. Every year, top 5ish. Every year. 9-3 records must be a data point. 

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

I would place Tennessee in that same category as LSU - always highly ranked (and for them, 15 counts as "highly ranked"), never delivers.   

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

TTUN has replaced the domers with being completely overrated in preseason polls and eventual implosion on the field.  It is almost equivalent to their fan base and sportswriters falling for the 'pull my finger' gag year after year... 

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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MaineStrength's picture

TTUN has replaced the domers with being completely overrated in preseason polls and eventual implosion on the field.

Interestingly UM's preseason and final poll position was exactly the same last year, #14.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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MaineStrength's picture

Where you think they deserve to be ranked at the end of the year is a different discussion.  The argument was that their preseason rank was high in relation to their performance.  Last season that was not the case.  It was spot on.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I still laugh when I recall that Saturday afternoon when #5 Michigan lost at home to Appalachian State.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

“as his yards per carry dipped from 7.2 to 4.6 when he took on a larger role in the offense” 

Actually, he had a lesser role in the offense as he shared carries with a healthy Weber his Sophomore year.

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BbBnD's picture

What do you want? Sports writers to know what they’re writing about? Don’t be ridiculous. 

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Cruiser79's picture

A day late but Happy Birthday to you Mr. Harrish, in the words of a wise sage - Everybody dies. Order the &%**# dessert.

I think a number things about that 1998 MSU game and what might have been had the Buckeyes won. It was the 90's need I say more?

Have a wonderful day, Go Bucks!!!

Cruiser79

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Jeffrey Okudah is still a bit of a mystery to me because of Kendall Sheffield and Damon Arnette. My sense is he was clearly the best of the three but, like Bill Davis with his linebackers, Taver Johnson played it safe by going with experience over talent (or maybe, more sinisterly, he went with his two favorites). I can’t imagine anyone thinking Greg Schiano started his best 11 last year. It’s crazy we went 13-1 last year with that porous shit show. I’m expecting massive improvement from our defense this year.

The top 100 list is interesting because it’s regardless of class (Fields is only a sophomore). If the list were draft eligible players, in addition to Young, Okudah, Harrison and Dobbins, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see K.J. Hill and Jordan Fuller picked in the first three rounds, maybe even Shaun Wade and Thayer Munford.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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nm_buck's picture

Moe Berg might not have been an offensive terror in the bigs, but history shows he went 2-2 in two at-bats in Zurich. Amazing story.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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OH-IO's picture

#13 does not matter. 

But F secESPN anyway. 

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Alabama fans still say what if Tebow chose Alabama over Florida. I respond to them that Shula would have stayed longer and Saban would be coaching elsewhere and Alabama would still mediocre. You never know in the 'what if' game, but you do know it would be different.

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FeedZeke420's picture

Not sure what an FPI index is, but espn can shove it right up their ass. Its embarrassing that espn is even considered a credible sports source, its a bunch of know nothings and band wagon riders. I do hope we get doubted all year though it makes winning so much sweeter.

Go Bucks!

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I was surprised they only had 5 SEC teams in their top 10. I'll be less surprised to hear them use this metric to justify having 5 SEC teams in the top 10 all year long, as the conference beats each other up.

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FeedZeke420's picture

well as we all know it just means more in the sec lol. I cant wait to hear the gameday gang  explain to us  how Mississippi state is the best 5 loss team in America, and should be in the top 4. 

Go Bucks!

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Urban Achiever's picture

If Bucks beat Sparty in '98, obviously what would have happened is they (Cooper) would have blown the The Game.  

The Saban trajectory is interesting the consider, though.

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cpfanatik77's picture

Exactly. They don't lose to Sparty and all that pressure is on them still. With the loss, they could just go and play without any worries or pressure.

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Dstacify's picture

IIRC Sparty was trending upward under Saban at the time (though they still weren't an elite team by any means). Then he bolted for LSU following the '98 season and Bobby Williams took over and it was a downward descent into mediocrity for MSU for years to come up until Dantonio arrived in 2007.

11 Strong.

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andretolstoy's picture

What would have happened to the BIG at that point had Saban, after beating us, stayed on at MSU? 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Another crazy thought:
Imagine if Jim Harbaugh ever went back to Michigan to coach? He took the 49ers to the Superbowl and made Colin Kapernick a star....considering what he did at Stanford, he should also be able to overcome Michigans excellent academic standards.
Harbaugh will recruit and develop the best QB's in B1G history and no way will it take more than 4 years to win the conference......division....or a Natty.

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Dstacify's picture

If we beat Sparty in '98 they would've gone on to choke in the NC most likely (knowing Coop and his propensity for faltering in big games). Coop also likely would've lasted beyond the 2000 season had we made a Natty appearance in '98 (considering how overly patient Geiger was with Coop despite all the losses to our rivals up north) which possibly would've meant that Tressel never comes to OSU and completely changes the trajectory of the Game.

11 Strong.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

So a third-quarter punt hitting Nate Clements leg indirectly led to Nasty Nick's Alabama empire? That's one hell of a butterfly effect.

This had me chuckling just on its premise. You've a wry sense of humor, Kevin. Thanks.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Hovenaut's picture

Yeah, I've read this over a few times...just not sure how to react to the alternate universe that has Ohio State fending off Bill Burke and Sparty in '98.

One of the worst losses, but it made the program (and my fandom) that much stronger in retrospect.

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gobucks1966's picture

I use to waste my money on pre season rags and rankings. They are NEVER accurate or even close to the final product. Back in the 60's and 70's every year ND was the top pick and their players too. They didn't get it that Knute Rockne no longer coach's there any more.

Denny

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milhouse4588's picture

JK Dobbins with a larger role in the offense last year? I completely disagree. He had to split carries with an NFL draft pick (valued by some teams as a 3rd rounder).

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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jpfbucks01's picture

i think you may be overselling the impact of that 98 loss especially in regards Saban's future.

Saban took over MSU under sactions and probation, They had vacated their 5 wins form a 5-7 season under Perles' last year and then had 4 years probations and 7 lost schollies he was working under plus limitations on off campus recruiting, the fact that he was 16-12-1 in conference going into that game under those restrictions he was seen as doing a reasonable job.

MSU had also been .500 or worse for the last 4 years under Perles, so he was not really on a hot seat and losing a close game to OSU the #1 on the road would have made little difference.

He got the LSU job based on the next year and his 9-2 year at Toledo and due to rep as a DC

Yes had Coop won a national title he may not have been fired in 2000, but Saban's career may have never changed

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