Too many unpredictable factors go into a successful tenure and too little available information and history to say. But I think it could be. I think we're also spoiled from the last two decades, though.
I think the Tress & UFM legacies have Ohio State football primed for an epic run that Ryan Day is uniquely equipped to maximize and become a Legend in his own right.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
I don't care if he is greater than Tressel, Meyer or Woody. As long as he is greater than Saban, Dabo, Smart, Riley or Harbaugh for the next few years.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
Upvote, but new rules state that you can’t use “Likes” anymore.
Missed that update. Noted moving forward.
Think I should create an off-season thread for it ...???
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No more “Loves” either, OB. May as well take out “Loathes”, too. We’re sophisticated and all around here. How ya doin’?
LOL, doing well my friend!
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
So tell me, how can this be?
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
I think it's amazing that we have a 39 year old HC with an NFL resume at Ohio State. I think a recruiting bonanza is on tap over these next few years on top of that Day's football brain is as good as the game has to offer.
Ok- I would agree with that. But, let's dig a little deeper.
What about past head coaching experience and winning at a high Level. Both Tressel and Meyer did that prior to taking the reigns at Ohio State, even though Tressel did not have a resume' like Meyer?
I'm not sure that Tressel had a lesser resume than Meyer. He won four national championships before he came to tOSU. Meyer certainly had more recruiting success prior to coaching the Buckeyes, but from a coaching perspective Tressel was already elite.
Valid point, but they were in Division I-AA.
I feel both could recruit well and Meyer recruited better out of state- specifically down south, and especially in Ga, Fl, Tx etc...
With that being said, Day may not have the experience in winning at elite levels, but like Meyer and Tressel, he has the opportunity to do so and start his own career. Many start at smaller programs and learn and develop accordingly, and if they do well, land a job like Ohio State and similar programs.
In regards to Day being able to do the same and build his reputation on a successful program, he is in a position that many other young coaches are not put in, in their 1st coaching position. He has a top of the line staff and support system that many do not get.
In 1-AA coaches have to coach-they can't rely on out recruiting everyone and hoping said recruits stay out of trouble/pan out.
Tressel was elite in Division 1-AA which is basically the college football minor leagues. I remember distinctly not being impressed with that hire at the time (I at first thought he'd actually be a downgrade from Coop). I had much higher expectations of Meyer when he was hired due to the fact that he had already won 2 natties at Florida prior to coming here. Thankfully by year 2 Tressel proved me wrong.
Do you think Kim Helton or Kirby Smart or Pat Fitzgerald are better Xs and Os guys than the HCs at most quality 1-AA programs? I don't.
Coaching at a D-1 school doesn't automatically mean you are a better coach-it means you coach at a place with better access to talent. tOSU's QB coach Yurcich started his career at Shippensburg U, Coach Hartline started his career at tOSU. Coach Day came from New Hampshire. Sometimes your career path is what it is.
It wasn't so much his D I-AA background that bothered me when he was hired. It was his lack of experience coaching at the D I level. Yes, Division I jobs grant you access to more resources but they are also significantly more overwhelming and if you've coached in Division 1-AA for the majority of your career that's not really a great way of preparing for the curveballs that come with managing a D I blue blood program like OSU. That being said I am happy Tressel turned out the way he did and I am glad we ended up with him instead of Glen Mason (to whom I think they originally offered the job and he turned it down to stay at Minnesota).
Agreed, Tressel had won 4 national titles before he arrived. He was ready for the grind and big game prep. While I was skeptical at first as it was D2. Recruiting and media coverage is different for OSU vs YSU. He proved he belonged and excelled. Tressel coach just as many big games and had success as Meyer(I know debacle in the desert you can’t win em all)
I think it's amazing that we have a 39 year old HC with an NFL resume at Ohio State.
Holy shit. Ryan Day is only 39? Wow... if that doesn't make somebody feel like a failure, I don't know what does.
All kidding aside, there are a lot of factors working in Day's favor. He has a good staff in place. The program has been built to the level that, to some degree, pretty much any HC is guaranteed 9-10 wins right now. And the early returns on Day look very, very promising.
That said, them are some big shoes to fill. And history is littered with can't-miss players, coaches, etc. who did just that. Only time will tell.
Personally I think this is the equivalent of the michigan September Heisman. How about we let the guy coach 1 full season before saying he's going to be better than the best coaches in Ohio State history. But then again, if you're wrong, it's like being wrong at espn....it doesn't matter cause there are no consequences.
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Going to be epic watching him go undefeated against Shitigan. All starts with blowing them out in their toilet bowl this November. Bwahahahaha.
Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.
Is it insane? Please advise.
Yes, pump the brakes. If he matches Tressel and Meyer with one NC, consider ourselves blessed. If he wins more than one NC, take it as a bonus.
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
There is just one formula that determines this:
Does he win two nattys?
I think - given what he inherited in the 2017 and 2018 classes and the need to establish dominance fast - one of them would have to come in the Justin Fields era, this year or next.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
Agreed. Fast start is critical.
Is winning more than one Natty the main threshold for the Day era to be categorized as "greater"?
If so, then I have some doubt. I certainly think Day can bring one, but it's hard to be confident that he can pull off more than one. It's just very rare. I do expect Day to win more B1G championships than Meyer, and could challenge Tressel's 6. But Natty's are hard to come by, especially with Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma all just as good.
If a dude named Dabo can do it, Ryan Day can too.
Woah there guy, not just "a dude named Dabo". THE dude named Dabo. The one true Dabo, for now and forever.
Yes, winning multiple NCs is the key for “better” than JT or UM.
I agree with Huffdaddy, a fast start keeps recruiting at a high level. If that falls off it'll be harder to come back to prominence. The next challenge will be how he manages the staff transitions over the next few years. There are a couple of older coaches that will eventually retire and younger guys that will leave for HC opportunities. If Day can recruit great coaches through those changes and maintain a high quality staff, he'll probably be what we all hope.
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This violates Knarcisi's rules for these. No extra words, no hyphens. It has to be
hah.. point taken! +1
Way to self police!
I think it will be the shortest tenure at OSU in recent history. I would say if Lincoln Riley is currently the #1 college coach on NFL teams' wishlist, then Day is either #2 or #3 right now based on his offensive production/QB development as an OC alone. Couple that with 2-3 years of HC experience, and I don't think it's even a lukewarm take to assume an NFL team will hand him a blank check....and I think he will take it.
I hate your guts/you are probably right
...but what a glorious 3 seasons it will be :)
3 national championships then Urban comes back rejuvenized and ready to kick ass and chew bubble gum, but he's all out of gum. Hell yes! The new Urban realizes that bad hires/renewals caused his health problems and vows to never let another man break him down. Day leaves for the NFL, Drake gets canned, Urban comes flying back to the OSU football riding a bald fn eagle ready to take the program back over. Never to be second guessed again, he installs a world class staff and goes undefeated for 10 years before he finally calls it quits, due to lack of competition. Bert McMurphy moves to Timbuktu to never be heard of again.
As nice a dream as this is it's a pipe dream. I don't think Urban is returning to the sidelines anytime soon at any program (whether it be OSU or elsewhere). Not to mention I'm not sure a 60+ year old Urban with health problems brought on by stress is what this program needs going forward. If Day happens to bolt for the NFL after only a couple season my money's on Fickell returning to replace him (considering he's able, more than willing, and if he does well he's pretty much guaranteed to be at OSU for the long haul given how much he loves the University and program).
Fickell also has to continue and build on the success he has had at Cinci for that to happen.
Well realistically who are our other options? I absolutely want nothing to do with Bob Stoops (he's completely over the hill and has been out of the game for a few years now) and Matt Campbell and P.J. Fleck haven't impressed me enough at their current jobs for me to think they'd be successful at OSU (plus it's no given whatsoever that they'd leave their current jobs for OSU given they both seem to be very happy where they're at).
@DStacify, Who knows? 2 seasons ago would Day have been one of your first 10 guesses as to who would be the next OSU coach? Things move fast and change often.
I wouldn’t wish this for Ti*buktu...
We shall see. I was surprised to hear Day say that the NFL is not his goal, that running a major college program like OSU is. If that’s the truth, I can see him here for a long time.
Fields of Dreams
I'm with you; maybe my comparison is way off here, but I liken it to living in the city. Me, I chose Columbus; it's not too big and not too small. Some guys don't want the big lights, big city. I think a lot of it has to do with your upbringing. I know a ton of people who think Columbus is just HUGE and could never imagine living here. Plus, Day has young kids, it's probably a relief to land a HC job where he has some stability.
@NHBuckeye. I don’t think he would come out and say “Hey this job is a stepping stone to get back to the NFL”. I’m sure he is very happy at OSU. Who wouldn’t be? But if you look at his history why would he have taken a demotion from a Div 1 OC to go be the QB coach for the Eagles in 2014? Urban and Tressel never made moves like that. It doesn’t have to be a negative thing. Let’s wish coach the best and enjoy him while we have him. If he stays and builds here, great. If he leaves for the NFL we’ll be alright.
I don't know why this was DV'ed. I think it's a reality we all must face. Urban was not interested in the NFL. But Day could very well be positioned to do so. Until I hear otherwise, I would almost expect him to make the jump if he has early success.
It depends on what Day's preferences are. Some coaches prefer the college game. Urban was one of those coaches. In the NFL coaches have less say and control over their players and have to deal with GM/owner politics all the time. On top of that Day's odds of success in the NFL are lower than his odds of succeeding at OSU (if you don't believe me take a look at guys like Saban and Petrino who completely flopped in the NFL).
Theres a lot you aren't considering.
1. Day has already taken a demotion to jump to the NFL (2014).
2. Dealing with the NCAA regulations, academic eligibility, and recruiting is probably double the workload compared to an NFL gig. Being a college coach is a babysitting job that requires you to win football games. I would argue that the politics of a public university are infinitely more intense than a privately owned NFL team.
3. Odds of success is not even an argument. Going 10-6 in the NFL will win a division and get you a raise in most cases. Losing the comparable amount of games at OSU will send you to the unemployment line after the 2nd year.
At a program like OSU it's not an unachievable feat to go undefeated in a season given all the resources at your disposal to do so. In the NFL it's downright impossible to go unbeaten in the regular season and multiple 10-6 seasons in the NFL won't matter unless you win in the playoffs (and on the flip side you have the plague on professional sports that is tanking). If you don't, you're quickly on thin ice in most cases (the masses don't care if you win in the regular season in the NFL UNLESS you win in the playoffs as well). On top of that coaches are more often than not either handcuffed or enhanced by their GMs in the NFL and the unfortunate reality is that there are more bad GMs and incompetent ownership groups currently working in the NFL than there are good ones. Unless everything falls into place for Day and he magically falls into the Pats job post-Belichick retirement odds are he's probably going to land in a less than ideal situation in the NFL. For example he came here from SF right? What if they fire Shanny and that job opens up and Day decides to take it? Good for him. And good luck to you in dealing with fucking Jed York who once fired a coach with a winning record in SF out of spite and jealousy. That's the type of shit you have to deal with in the NFL from NUMEROUS ownership groups (owners as petty as Jed York are far more common than you think in the NFL). Compared to situations like that the grind of the recruiting trail almost seems ideal. At a program like OSU you are expected to win every season (what coach wouldn't want that) and you don't have to deal with the rebuilding nonsense in professional sports that is driven by the salary cap (which coaches frequently get scapegoated for when they are handed an awful team during a rebuild and subsequently proceed to lose numerous games with said awful team). Not to mention OSU's athletic department will support their head football coaches more than many NFL FOs will.
Also you talk about college football as a job babysitting kids. It's like that at times in the NFL too, only the kids are much more disrespectful and much more likely to tell you to go fuck yourself. The NFL is a players' league (though less so than the NBA without question) and for coaches that can be a nightmare to deal with considering how uncoachable many players who play in the NFL are. It's much, much easier to lose an NFL locker room as a coach than it is to lose a college locker room.
Let's just hope that Gene was smart enough to ask for a 3-4 year commitment. Bright as his star was, he had never been a head coach and if I'm Gene, I at least ask for 3-4 years in exchange for not bringing in other coaches to interview.
Who put that gross pic at the top? Some mod is determined to make me lose my dinner it seems. Yuck!
He has the "secret account" that is dishing out all the down votes. Plus one to all countering little jimmy.
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I think there is really good potential here. One factor that I SEE as a potential pitfall is this season's schedule. I don't care who you are, it's a really tough one. Getting us through this year into the playoffs can be used to propel the next few years. OR, if we fall short and lose 2-3 games this year, it could do the opposite.
Either way, I am fully aware that we've won a lot the last 15 or so years and I've witnessed two National Champions in my lifetime. I'm going to be grateful either way.
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I think this. Is it insane? Please advise.
Allow me to consult with my sources. I'll get back to you.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Just gigging ya, LCT.
I can take it.
Frankly, I have no argument against that thinking a 39-year old first time HC's tenure will surpass that of two HOFers is insane.
I get it.
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Sorry, wrong number. ;-)
Just an old habit from my Fan Nation commenting days.
I agree . . . young and progressive coach that can can continue to build off what Tress and Meyer laid as a foundation.
I heard a few things this weekend that make me believe that most of the Athletic department was ready for this move. Meyer was wearing out his welcome in more than one way. I think this is a breath of fresh air for everyone and Day will continue to take this Program to new heights.
Head north till you smell it, west until you step in it
Aside from the ZS stuff if the athletic department was growing weary of Meyer's presence why would Gene have moved him into an assistant AD role (which keeps him heavily involved in athletics while still carrying a significant amount of influence around campus)? They could've just told Meyer to distance himself from the University if that were the case. I'm sorry but I call BS here. I don't think it was irritation with Meyer so much as concern for his well-being (considering the man nearly collapsed on the sideline during a game last season).
They weren’t weary of Meyer’s presence, they were weary of his staff management style.......
Per updated recruiter rankings on 247-#2 Hartline and #3 Hafley. I'd say the future is setting up very nicely for Day and his Buckeyes! And to think how all those Mythigan fans we're celebrating when Meyer stepped aside and our recruiting would take a dive! Bwahahahahaha fuck you Mythigan and eat a bag of dicks Shea!!!!!!
The Ryan Day Era Will Be Greater Than the Urban Meyer *and* Jim Tressel Eras
So on a more straightforward examination, LCT, what criteria do you want to go by?
Record at TOSU: Tressel 106-22 (w/ 2010 season reinstated); Meyer 83-9.
Years coached at TOSU: Tressel 10; Meyer 7.
B1G Championships (outright and shared): Tressel 7 (w/ 2010 reinstated); Meyer 3.
National Championships: Tressel 1; Meyer 1.
Academic Progress Rate: Tressel 985; Meyer 987.
Ryan Day has a K2 mountain to climb. I wish him well.
It is time!!!!!
More B1G championships than Tress
Higher recruiting rankings than Urban
More NCs than each
Academics, I don't care that much
Academics, I don't care that much
You and I may not, but TOSU and the NCAA think differently.
Recruiting rankings for Meyer's classes back through 2012 (reverse order): 2, 2, 4, 7, 3, 2, 5
That's an average ranking of a top 3 class for Day if he wants to improve on this. While that'd be amazing and the foundation is there to support such success...that's a tall order.
Seven B10 championships will be tough to beat seeing as how coaches sticking around for 7 years is already a long time, let alone winning all of those years.
Nattys: Between two of the most successful coaches we've ever had we only won 2 of them. It's difficult. If Day can win 2 he'd have earned his paycheck more than once over.
Academics: you not caring just proves you don't support Ohio State football the right way. Academics are important, as are the futures of our players. This matters.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
To be fair, you can't exclude the two years Urban couldn't claim a B1G Championship in 2012-2013 if you include Tressels 2010 B1G Championship. Some of the other numbers may not vary but this is a big one.
Adjust the records as you wish, BABAB. I only threw those stats out there to illustrate that Ryan Day has a tall order in front of him if he is to fulfill LCT's confident expectation.
It was only one year. I’m sure everyone remembers the 2013 BigTen Championship game.
Let's just pump the brakes and see how the season looks after OSU's trip to Ann Arbor. Then we can make a much more intellectual and factual determination...
I hope!! Thats a tall order...so anything close will be great...
Yes that's correct you are correctly correct he will be better
Ryan day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time
Can the season start already?
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Are you sure you want that??? Aren’t you a Xichigan fan? I’d think you’d want July and August to last forever
I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.
I think I'm officially over the projections, guesses, expectations, forecasts, & prognostication. I love a good discussion, but they've all been had ad nauseam and there's nothing new to add. I'm anxious to see real competition. You never know what the future will hold, but I'm excited to see it play out. Every team has some question marks. UM will win some & lose some, but we'll have some new things discuss.
Better than Woody, Urban and Tress tho?
Woody as good a coach as he was would've failed in today's college football landscape. He was too old school and stone-age in his philosophies at OSU. I mean, you seriously think the philosophy of "Only three things happen when you throw the ball and two of them are bad" would be a recipe for success nowadays? That being said what Woody accomplished at OSU was unprecedented. It'll be tough for any future OSU HC to top that (if Day does then all I can say is thank God for him).
A strong running game and great defense will beat a passing team anywhere, any decade.
18' Patriots (13-3) Rams threw the ball alot that year.
Don’t forget the 2015 Broncos...
Can't judge Woody by today's standards. Might as well say that Themistocles wasn't as good of an Admiral as Nelson because he never dealt with cannons, and Nelson wasn't as good as Halsey because he never dealt with aircraft.
Give Woody some credit that in his prime he would adapt to and shape the world as it is, just as he adapted to and shaped the world as it was.
If Day wins 1 NC in his first 10 years, he will be as successful as JT or Urban, and way more successful than Earle or Coop. He has the advantage of stepping into a machine that is already humming on a championship contending level-JT and Coop did not have that luxury, unlike Day and Urban.
To be completely honest, Day's biggest challenge, imo, is resetting the defensive coaching staff-not anything regarding the team culture or talent level in the program-which are the issues facing 99% of new HCs-at any school-from Auburn to Akron. IMO, everyone "worrying' about Day is worrying about stuff that isn't an issue at this time-the talent level on the team is A OK, and the team culture is fantastic-Day would NOT be enjoying the recruiting success he currently is, if it was not-the team trusts each other and the staff-and is willing to communicate that to the recruits.
Here is why Ohio State will succeed in the next decade
1. Great fan base and history
2. Resources and top 5 facility
3. Top tier recruiting and resources spent in recruiting
4. Basically the most storied program in the last 2 decades thanks to Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer.
5. History of winning- Including 2 National Titles recently. Numerous New Year Six bowls and victories.
6. If Ryan Day fails. We have a pool of coaches begging to take over. Matt Campbell, Mike Vrabel, Luke Fickell.
In response to number 6, Vrabel is never coaching in college again. He prefers the NFL (he left OSU in part because he disliked the recruiting aspect of college football). So don't expect him to be interested in the OSU job if it opens up (I don't want a coach who dislikes recruiting spearheading this program anyways). Campbell has had some good moments at Iowa State and has managed that program well but his overall record there is kind of meh. I'm not sold on him taking over at OSU. I think Fickell may be our best (and most realistic) option if Day leaves but he needs to prove be can sustain his success at UC first IMO.
There are two Lukes. There is the "Tressel Luke" who took over the program in 2011. Then there is the "Urbanized Luke" who left and took over Cincinnati in 2017. He brought a lot of Urban, including black stripes and recruiting tenacity with him. From 4-8 to 11-2. Luke currently owns Cincinnati. High school coaches cannot speak more highly about him. We could do much worse than Luke.
Honestly couldn't fathom if it is all going to be good. He is winning the B10 in recruiting by a country mile so, since that is the only serving size so far... thumbs up homie.
Need to see our new look defense before I agree. I was one who thought you hire Marcus Freeman to coach the D for the next 5 years and dominance continues. I do like our hires but its a wait and see approach. Still may be too many chefs in the kitchen. Defense needs one leader and one heartbeat to be uber successful. Freeman in my opinion could man a nasty unit on par with Msu, Clemson or even Don Brown. We will know 6 games into next season.
I wanted Freeman too. Day did offer him a job actually, but it was just as the LB coach with no DC role.
I do think there's still a possibility we get Freeman as our DC at some point, especially if Washington becomes D-line coach when LJ retires.
Mattison would likely have to retire as well for that to happen. Then Freeman could come in as co-DC with Hafley (provided Hafley sticks around for awhile). But Fickell has a lot of pull with Freeman at UC right now considering Freeman used to play at OSU under Fickell. So there is a strong relationship there that Freeman doesn't have with any of the current OSU coaching staff (with the exception of maybe Hartline considering he and Freeman both played at OSU at around the same time).
Yeah I understand. I’m just under the impression that Mattison is retiring before LJ. I think LJ will be here at least 2 more seasons and I don’t see Mattison staying after his contract is up.
Your point about Freeman’s ties to Fickell is very true though. Plus, given Freeman’s age, I doubt he’s in any rush to make some huge career move if he’s content with his current situation.
Love the optimism in the OP, but I withhold judgement for a later date.
I hope so. I hope ryan day crushes it. Unfortunately, the next hot coach almost never does and the next hot coach almost always also crushes it in recruiting the first year or two or three too.
UFM's records and stats are going to be hard to beat. Not to mention ryan day has a fraction of his experience. UFM's Saban's Pete Carroll's... they are pretty rare. It is cool when one comes along though. But I think there is also a high chance that we were all blessed to live in the UFM era... and that will forever be the good years.
one last note... when another Carroll, Meyer or Saban does come around... they always take a long time to become that. Urban is really the only coach I know of in CFB history that was a born winner, which is why his career win % is so much better than Saban's for example. FOr that fact, Meyer has the best Career win % in the last 60 years or something crazy, basically the highest all-time in modern CFB. So since UFM level winning from the get-go has only happened once... UFM.... I would say the odds of Ryan Day being a great coach are good. But a UFM level coach... very low.
I hope Ryan Day has an excellent career though.
Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month
Lincoln Riley and mcvay didn't take long to get where they are now, but I see your view
Good examples. With Riley Specifically though will be interesting to see how the program holds up over time, as that is another challenge that some hot coaches fail with.
Well, I hope the OP is correct.
We've certainly been spoiled by those great coaches and their staffs and players. That's a good thing.
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Tyrion: A wedding.
I have to wait and see what kind of defense he puts on the field. And to see if he can recruit top defensive talent.....
Traditionally, OSU is not known for a school that produces a lot of QBs. When OSU gets a decent QB they look way better than they are b/c of all of the WR talent. If Day turns OSU into a QB school, watch out.
Example: in the 90s during 2-10-1 , OSU produced way more NFL talent than TTUN except at QB and O-Line
That was pre-Meyer. Once Urban came along our QB depth year after year was widely regarded as downright impressive (see Braxton Miller and Kenny Guiton in 2012 and 2013, JT and Cardale in 2014, and Haskins and Burrow behind JT in 2016 and 2017). The QB position became more of a position of strength under Meyer than we were used to seeing it under prior regimes. Day's work with Haskins last year however tells me he has the ability to take it one step further considering he's widely viewed as a QB guru (which Meyer was not). Let's just hope Day doesn't fancy himself a QB guru the same way Harbaugh does lol.
Meyer brought the option which allowed Miller, Guiton, and JT Barrett to be effective.
He also brought Tom Herman. IIRC Guiton went through quite a transformation under Herman's tutelage (odds are had we turned to Kenny in say, 2011 before Meyer and Herman got here he wouldn't have looked like the same player we saw in 2012 and 2013.
The quarterback position might be what allows Day to be more successful than Meyer/Tressel as LCT suggests. Tressel never really pulled 4/5 star qbs outside of Ohio, except for Pryor who was just one state over in PA (maybe Antonio Hebron, but I digress lol). Overall, recruiting for Tressel between 2003-2007 was not to the level it should be.
Meyer always recruited at a high level and his qbs were great fits for college, but with the exception of Dwayne Haskins, none of them were really pro style guys.
Day is going into this with a better reputation for developing qbs than either Meyer or Tressel. Consider the one position Ohio State has never really earned significant respect for is at qb, which happens to be the most important position in the game. Ryan Day has major credit in the football world when it comes to the qb position, which is how we landed Fields and even have walk-ons coming from California and transferring from Texas A&M. If Day can take the qb room and make it elite like every other position is at Ohio State, then he can be better than Meyer/Tressel.
There's just no way to say that before he's been the head coach for 1-full game (and I don't mean the interim).
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I absolutely agree with you. I'm looking at the recruiting victories he is having, the buzz around the program again, and think it's very exciting. Urban got to come in when the program was at an all time low. It was really exciting, especially when he took that team to an undefeated season. Day, has way more pressure on him than Urban did coming in, and Day has done everything right. He's killing it recruiting and he has said and done all the right things. My only worry about the Day Era is how long it will last, which was my only worry about the Meyer Era. I'm guessing Day will be here 5 years and gone to the NFL to take over the Pats when they need a new coach.
Urban Meyer lost 9 games in 7 seasons. I hope it's not seen as a criticism of Ryan Day to point out that doing better than that is going to be impossible.
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Probably not going to be less than 9 losses but it might be the manner in which we lose those games and the potential of another championship or 2 that make a difference and where we could possibly say “better”. Let’s face it, at least 4 of Urban’s losses were mind blowing (Michigan St 2015, Clemson 2016, Iowa, and Purdue). No, they don’t count as more than 1 loss, but they sure felt like it. I’d trade another 5, maybe 10 losses for another national title.
I agree with this. If you told me I could have 2 nattys in the next decade, but would have to swallow some 9-3 seasons along the way, I would be all-in.
EXACTLY!!!!! I think the Urban Meyer era was the best coaching era at Ohio State in my lifetime, but it's fair to critique some of the inexplicable losses, and questionable play calling in crucial spots (looking at you 2013 B1G title game). Let's just say Day is here for 7 or 8 seasons, and we do lose 13 games in that time frame instead. Will it be less successful if we also make the playoff 4 times and win 2 titles?
Ohio State has been winning games for 100+ years thats not the baseline for a successful coaching tenure, it's all about national championships. No one is calling Urban Meyer's tenure an outright success if he doesn't win that 2014 national title. With that parameter being set, if Day wins 2+ national championships in his time here, he'll have a strong case for having a better tenure.
Note: Beating Michigan matters but if you're winning nattys, that generally means your winning that game
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I think it is pretty hard to do better. It could be quite good, but Meyer in particular usually lost one game a year, Tress was around the same. They both beat Michigan (Meyer never lost to them, so he can only match Meyer there) and both had a national title.
Those are big shoes. Even if he stays for six years and loses say 8 games in that stretch, wins the big ten three or four times he would still need to not lose to Michigan and win one national title.
If he wins two national titles and does all of that than you can make the case, but that is a steep expectation for any coach, good or not. I am hoping he wins the Big Ten first and beats everybody he is supposed to and get a winning record year one. Preferably with one loss or so.
Meh, Day needs to beat TTUN. Period. If he goes 7-0 against them and doesn't win a national title he will still go down as one of the school's all-time coaching greats. He wont win the B1G or the national title if he doesn't beat them.
I will be worried about the future of the program if Day gets outcoached by Crazy Jimmy this November. I will also worry about the future if Scott Frost outcoaches him, which could very easily happen. It will be the close games where we will see what he is truly made of and whether Urban knew what he was talking about with Day or if he was full of horse crap.
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I think Day will be successful, it would be hard not to be with the embarrassment of riches at OSU and the significant talent gap the Bucks enjoy over much of the B1G. With that said, I don't think Day will be regarded/remembered as one of the great ones at OSU simply because I don't think he will be here long enough build a legacy. I think he has his sights on a NFL gig and will be gone within 5 years. OSU just doesn't seem like a destination job for him.
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I have an extremely difficult time seeing that. And that is no knock again Day, but Meyer had an insane winning %, fantastic recruting chops and still struggled to keep up with Clemson and Bama. What Saban has done is unbelievable and Dabo has pulled level while Georgia is right on their heels. Parity has increased in the middle and upper middle class of CFB, but right now it is as hard as its ever been to break through and win a title in.
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That's insane, and there it's not getting any easier as they continue to sign the top classes year after year and the main networks are in love with both programs.
The main variables are
1) Day's offense - more forward thinking and should make it harder for elite teams to defend OSU come time for the playoffs.
2) Recruiting - Already been discussed. Both teams Day is chasing are recruiting at a slightly higher pace which is going to make it tough. But that can change.
3) Justin Fields - If he is as good as the hype, he can carry the team to a title. But that is a huge if. We've seen Dabo ride a super talented QB to the a title twice now. Time for Day to do it.
Georgia has not pulled close on their heels.
I am not sure that recruiting is that far off. Last year was an exception to that, but usually OSU has had near the top classes. I just do not think the talent gap is that extreme.
In general, teams with less talent than OSU have pushed Clemson pretty hard with the right schemes and such. In big games it is not that easy but when OSU was shut out it seemed to have as much to do with scheme as anything else. OSU was very predictable and Clemson is too good to just rely on the QB run and things happening around the line.
Have to see if the new coaches can help with that but in my mind the talent is there to compete with the Alabama and the Clemson's. It is probably a bit lower but not enough where it should be a blow out or anything.
I worry that the NFL will end this before it has a chance to reach dynastic proportions. Ryan Day seems like a guy cut from the NFL cloth and I'd suspect he has callers each season he concludes here at OSU.
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Agree. Let's just hope Gene got a 3-4 year verbal commitment from him.
I think he would have to win a Natty first or have some years being really successful before he would get a chance at an NFL head coaching job. He has had calls about becoming an offensive coordinator in the NFL
The NFL is the most copycat league ever. There are a series of NFL teams finding success with young, offensive minded coaches. If Day does well, he'll get calls. Riley is already taking them.
I agree with you to a point, and Riley is an example. The best example is Kingsbury. He'll probably be the cause for the NFL copying something else. Might work in our favor.
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Day is walking into a MUCH better situation than either Tressel or Urban did -- and those two pulled off National Championships in year 2, but they struggled a tad in terms of getting back to the top, but, of course, both absolutely owned Michigan and dominated the Big 10 (even if they both left championships on the table).
Day is already establishing himself in recruiting, but we'll see where it goes on the field. I think that muscling in on Saban and Dabo is very possible. I also think that being more of an Oklahoma or Notre Dame is also very possible (collapse and disappointment also possible, but on the bell curve, Ohio State as the #3 to #8 program in the country over the next few years is most likely, with a decent chance of getting into #1 or #2. Doubt we fall outside the top 10 and unlikely outside the top 15, but we'll see.
The key is probably the defense and running game. Day will put an explosive passing offense on the field, that's bankable. But he needs the other two facets to be truly elite. Not guaranteed.
If Day leaves anytime in the next 6-7 years for reasons other than him stinking up the joint I hope Gene Smith is finally axed and Urban gets shit on by the media. Both of those guys signed off on hiring Ryan Day and if he bolts in a few years and kills the stability and recruiting momentum that's been built since 2012 I for one will be angry AF.
Its like the comment made with the least context for the sport I've ever read lol
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IMO, this is the perfect storm. UFM leaves the cupboard loaded for Day - players, coaches, and admins. Day makes impact hires on D. The change in personality at the top will pay dividends immediately, and long term if Day wins big out of the gate - which I think he will. We will also be lead by one of the top offensive minds in the game, another step up. If the D is above average this year and Fields is even close to as-advertised, I think we have a great shot of entering the playoffs undefeated.
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I won't say yes or no. I will say given the level of recruiting, it's on par with Urban as of now. We will see if he can continue to not only recruit players but coaches. That is something Urban had a hard time doing at the end of his career (not so much recruiting them but replacing them when they were failing)
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While I think it's doubtful he'll be able to reach a Woody-like status, given the staff he has assembled and the amazing recruiting so far, it certainly is possible he could win more than one NC with us. Assuming that's what would set him apart from UFM and Tress in your opinion.
I believe him when he says he's staying for quite a while - young family, etc.
Considering that we've consistently out-recruited the rest of the B1G (even averaging a higher player rating in the only cycle we didn't finish first), he has all the tools he needs to be extremely successful.
In fact, if the new defensive coaches can turn that mess around (and our new starting QB lives up to expectations), I think he has a very good chance of being in the hunt for his first NC in his first full season as a HC
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I think so too. I'm really pumped for this season. With a little luck I think it could be like Earle's first year, undefeated regular season.
Are we talking separate or combined? Because if combined we are talking better than 17 years with 10 Big Ten and 2 National titles and an over .850 winning pct. Yes, I think that is insane. If we are talking better than both separately, I think it is pretty unlikely, but not insane.
Can a Coach Day team play defense.....that's going to be my primary concern. You can have all the fancy offense you want, but if you can't play defense you aren't going to win MNC. Lots and lots of offensive recruits...not so much on the other side.
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