Skull Session: Ohio State's Defense Put in Perspective, The Ridiculous Buckeye Recruiting Class, and The Offensive Line Reconstruction

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I struggle to remember a class that hit this hard and fast on one positional group as Hartline has with these receivers. Absolutely outstanding 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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mtrotb's picture

Many and I mean many moons ago we had 2 QB's in same recruiting class that started a total of 5 years from 82 to 86.

mtrotb

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Schizo's picture

Any idea on the average receiver recruiting class size? The past few years it looks like OSU usually has ~3.

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Lighteyes's picture

In case anyone missed it in the Hartline part of the Skully, yes, that is Jeff Hafley barely peeking out the bottom part of the tweet, at #3. 

Or, to put it differently: Two of the three best recruiters in college football reside in Columbus.

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TMac's picture

And Both hired just within the past year. 

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blueblazer22's picture

Man, the story about the mother and daughter is a doozy. Not every day that one can read about eugenics and sterilization occurring in the 1930’s. Completely bizarre from beginning to end. 

The clips of Greg Oden destroying that doofus Scalabrine is simply a beautiful video. I will watch that many times before this day is over. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Pretty sure that was Michael Rapaport

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moopdawg's picture

Was thinking the same thing.  Looks like he grew.

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ibuck's picture

Man, the story about the mother and daughter is a doozy. Not every day that one can read about eugenics and sterilization occurring in the 1930’s. Completely bizarre from beginning to end. 

There are still eugenics forces around today, although their idiom may be "family values" or "tough on crime." Semi-voluntary sterilizations are still happening. 

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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MichiBuck12's picture

The way I figure it with last years defense is that you have to count the big plays because they happened but nobody was really able to sustain drives. The stats are not good, but they weren't as far away from being really good as they looked. There were really only a few things to clean up that would have taken them from the worst defense in school history to being really good. So I agree that you cannot make the "they were good actually" argument, but there weren't as far from that as some people think.

It has to be frustrating to be in Greg Odens shoes. I am still convinced that he would have been an all time great if he could have stayed healthy. He has absolutely dominated every baskeball court he has ever been on. Its just too damn bad he hasn't been on enough of them.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

So I agree that you cannot make the "they were good actually" argument, but there weren't as far from that as some people think.

A few plays here and there made the difference.

It is always doing the little things well, or not so well, that define the level of success, no matter what the endeavor. 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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BucksHave7's picture

So I agree that you cannot make the "they were good actually" argument, but there weren't as far from that as some people think.

Worst in tOSU history last year, DC is gone and 85% of all tackles return. Thats #2 in FBS! Reason this team is a fav to win the NC.

It has to be frustrating to be in Greg Odens shoes.

Oden has a great life, he is 31 with a Net Worth of $15M and a degree from tOSU. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Greg Oden certainly has a great life. But people as successful as he is don't get that way by being complacent or settling. The possibilities of what could have been and the greatness left unachieved drive people like him crazy.

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RUNTOWIN's picture

I’d love to know how many missed tackles there were among the players making 85% of them. I don’t think there’d be many. It was a lack of gap integrity that usually led to the big plays on the ground...not bad angles or missed tackles. So, if the new scheme makes it easy to play fast and still know where to be, this team could once again dominate the run game like the Silver Bullets we are all craving!

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BucksHave7's picture

On the #2 in FBS with 85% tackles returning this year.  Makes me wonder is last year at this time what did that % look like?  Wondering how low it was.

BucksHave7

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Bad angles and missed tackles by Pryor and, I believe, Wint did lead to many of those long TD runs. That safety position was the last line of defense and the player manning that position failed often until White took over. The gap integrity was a problem with the LBs at the LOS but our secondary didn't help at all with the inability to contain the play.

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Extramedium's picture

Gap integrity is what turned a 3 yard play into an 11 yard play, but missed tackles and bad angles turned those 11 yard plays into 75 yard touchdowns

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Interesting the the salary was listed for the Clemson D-Line coach, but not for Hartline.

I could not see enough of Hafley's listing to see if they listed his salary or not.

Happy Birthday.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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PhillyNut's picture

And they have the info on Bates wrong. Last year he made $300,000 and getting a raise to $375,000. He is also not the line coach, he is their tackles coach. Different coach has the ends. Still seems like he is getting lowballed. The defensive coordinator got $2,000,000 base in 2018.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

"Still seems like he is getting lowballed."

Gotta keep money in the budget for SARMs...

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Hafley’s salary is also not disclosed. #4 Corey Raymond of LSU makes $310k. I’d say at least three of the top four are due a raise (I’m assuming Hafley already makes decent money for being a Co-DC).

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Dillon G's picture

Brian Hartline also improved the players development. Here is too hoping the new stars coming in know there is only one ball, and if you block the safety down field, you might just score every play.

#walkaway

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GareBear's picture

Loved what he did last year, but show me two years in a row please - then, it'll become a trend. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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bucknut1994's picture

Happy Birthday Kevin

#94Ways

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MN Buckeye's picture

Happy birthday, Kevin!

Like you, I don’t expect another day/week/month/year but I’m always thankful for them.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Thank you! Hopefully we both see a few more.

SilverHaven's picture

Happy birthday, Kevin

Finally a word of the day and I know the definition.

Hau'oli la hanau.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Sunny Buck's picture

Wow Kevin, you're 25 years old. Congratulations !

I literally have a favorite tee shirt that is older than you. Enjoy it while you can. Time flies after age 30.

As always, great article.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

When you get to 30, you will look back at what seemed a couple of months ago at when you were 25. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

“When you get to 30...” is extremely optimistic, but thank you!

Gratefulbuck's picture

I have a tee shirt that’s over 35 years old, at least. I’m not sure of it’s age because I stole it mistakenly put it in my bag at a gym thinking it was mine. I don’t know how old it was at the time. It was a long time ago. I don’t use it anymore, but, my wife will sometimes wear it to bed. 25 years old. Pffft

Happy Birthday, Kevin

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lamplighter's picture

Pfft.  I have a concert shirt from 1972 that my daughters wore in HS.  Still around although I can;t fit in it any longer.

Happy birthday Kevin.  Many more

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Thank you! We’re just gonna try to make it until the end of this one before we worry about many more. One day at a time.

dan_isaacs's picture

My wife likes to wear a now 31 year old shirt of mine from my sophomore year of HS.  And remind me that she was 7 at the time.

Dan Isaacs

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Sunny Buck's picture

Maybe an old tee shirt thread is necessary here. Us older guys can compare old tee shirt stories. Wow, 31 year old shirt beats mine Dan but i have a 57 year old truck. Does that count?

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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Buckloving's picture

I have at least 20 pair of underware older than you. Hell I just now got them broke in

bobbyd

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Here’s how crazy OSU receiver recruiting has been: in that section, you actually forgot Garrett Wilson. So it’s not five top 100 guys....it’s SIX. Odds suggest that this should be a very special group. And this was the part of the job where people had some doubts about Brian Hartline. Crazy. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Lock up Hartline now!!!!!

BucksHave7

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I wish I could find one particular thread in which posters were panicking over losing Zach Smith as a recruiter. That would be funny reading now.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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milhouse4588's picture

I think even die hard fans of his recruiting capabilities realize that he was a cancer and getting rid of him was worth possibly losing his recruiting (which we actually upgraded there as well so go us).

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I didn’t forget, it’s just Brian Hartline didn’t really land Garrett Wilson, Zach Smith and Ryan Day really did. Hartline’s doing good enough, he doesn’t need credit for things he didn’t necessarily do haha.

Snake64's picture

Then why does Hafley get credit for landing Wypler? He's been committed for almost a year now and Hafley started 6 months ago.

Just asking. I'm sure Hartline had to put in at least a little work to keep Wilson around.

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Hmmm, interesting point. Hartline didn’t bait the hook, but he definitely landed the fish. Either way, great job by him and an amazing group of receivers in these two cycles.

And as an additional note, loved your point about the defense. Worst ever at OSU, is a middling 2018 cfb defense.

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Hovenaut's picture

Taking Coach Stud's comments as is...and if the o-line is developing off the field now, I'd like to think the possibilities are endless with what they can do on it.

Happy birthday, KH.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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redmia's picture

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Jeff Bezos must really like denim 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Jeff Bezos likes money. He needs denim to carry his wallet.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Gratefulbuck's picture

He also likes woman’s swimwear. Just sayin...

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Who doesn’t?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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smibr37's picture

I never really planned on living to age 25, but here I am. Somehow alive, yet nearer than ever to my eventual demise

 It's all downhill after birth.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Time is a flat circle: we start life in diapers and we end life in diapers.

I distinctly remember turning 25. My mom sent me a card about living a quarter of a century. And now my daughter will turn 25 next year.

Happy birthday, Kevin. Many happy returns.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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PiedmontBuck's picture

Happy Birthday, Kevin!  Hope you have many pleasant surprises today!  Your articles are my morning gifts. Thank you for those!  Keep up the good work.

Yes, seeing Hartline and Hafley as top recruiters is great!  Larry Johnson should be near the top too!

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Thanks for the kind words!

Buckfrombirth's picture

Other than the obvious and well-deserved kudos for Hartline (and what you can see of Hafley), my favorite part of the Skully was about the team not slowing down because of Cardale. I can only imagine that taking the reins of that offense must've felt like riding a very fast and angry bull.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Advanced stats from FootballOutsiders.com, which exclude stats from garbage time and are adjusted for opponents, had the Ohio State defense 26th nationally, including No. 76 against the run and 62nd against the pass.

76 + 62 = 26 seems like some weird math to me. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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TMac's picture

Stats can be very weird!

ONE Not Done!

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IGotAWoody's picture

It is weird, but when you factor in things like our successful 3rd down D (we were like top 15 in that category), the picture gets clearer.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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soldierdad's picture

Once upon a time there was a multifaceted discussion about the passing game under achieving.  Was the problem Barrett, Z Smith, or the receivers?  Enter Hartline.  Fields has every opportunity to be great...and be in the spotlight.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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RUNTOWIN's picture

I think scheme has to be entered into that list. Remember in the days before Day when the passing game was throw it deep, throw it deep, or throw it to the sideline to the RB at the LOS? It was very incomplete. Now, with Day, it’s a real passing offense. 

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Extramedium's picture

Dwayne Haskins also made an entrance

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Kevin:  You will never again be as young as you are right now, but still younger than you will ever be in the future.  Enjoy the day, all day, every day.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Thank you for the kind words!

Port Richey Buckeye's picture

Can't wait to see Hairballs face when they can't stop this offense. Bwahahahaha

Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.

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sharks's picture

Scalabrine looking like the tryhard dad at the Y balling while wearing jeans

A man got to have a code...

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Dmac3212's picture

Scal definitely takes charges in pickup games. But it's crazy how good NBA players are. Scalabrine held a contest where he would play random people one on one (because everyone was calling him trash). He absolutely destroyed everyone. 

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Lighteyes's picture

Yeah, people don't realize that even people glued to the bench of NBA teams have a bio that basically reads like this:

"I was the best player on the floor in pretty much every single basketball game I played between birth and high school. In AAU ball and high school tourneys, I held my own against the best high schoolers in the entire country. Then I went to college, was All-Conference along with various other forms of regional / conference / national recognition. Then in the NBA, every single year I had to prove that I was still one of the 500-ish best basketball players in the world to avoid getting my job stolen by the thousands of players newly eligible for the NBA."

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Happy birthday Mr. Harrish

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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stcburn's picture

Young pups! My boys are 43, soon to be 42 and 34. I can remember myself at 25 like it was yesterday. Happy Birthday Kevin! Hold on because life will becoming at you fast.

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TMac's picture

91 HR's, and that epic duel with Joc Pederson were awesome.  

ONE Not Done!

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NHBuckeye's picture

Happy Birthday Kevin!

Fields of Dreams

 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

there’s no rule against scoring every time you touch said ball

LMAO and almost spit out my coffee.

I just cannot get over this receiving room.  Let’s not forget the talent we already have, plus Garrett Wilson introducing himself this season.

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AC1972's picture

At my age, I wish I was 25 again!  But I know what you mean, Kevin. Turning 25 hit me harder than turning 30 or even 40. Once you hit 25 you stop thinking of yourself as a young dude that can relate to the college crowd and start thinking about marriage and kids and mortgages.  By the time I hit my 30’s and 40’s I was a firmly entrenched adult and had gotten over the psychology of it all. Don’t worry man. Life goes on and it’s even fun!

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I feel very positive about the O-line for the upcoming season. Studrawa has been very positive and there is a fair amount of experience among potential new starters. It should be a very good year.

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Spaghetti's picture

Happy birthday Kev Döddy

We are brothers in age. Our 25s will be a good year

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Kevin Harrish's picture

We can only hope! Thank you.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Happy birthday Kevin ... you're younger than my two kids ... so if you're expecting sympathy ...

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Replacing 4/5 of the oline is always a challenge but I've been excited to see Wyatt Davis and Josh Meyers play side-by-side for 3 years now.

Plus, between JK's explosiveness on run plays and Fields' beautiful deep ball this team has some extreme firepower to unleash any time the offensive line blocks everything up.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I still think the defense's biggest issue wasnt personnel, it was the fact that in 2017 Lincoln Riley showed the world how to attack Greg Schiano's defense and defensive play calling and our opponents just followed the blueprint over the last two seasons. Teams were seeing things on game film and exploiting it. That's what Oregon State, coming off an 1-11 season, showed in the season opener last year when they had no business of even scoring on us. Their HC saw something on film that Schiano was doing. I am reserving hope that Greg Mattison and Jeff Hafley can throw enough wrinkles at teams that they can never crack us like that again.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Extramedium's picture

If you just watch the games you see multiple examples of players out of position, inexplicably going against the flow of plays, taking terrible angles, the list goes on. It wasn't any special code that was cracked, the players were just lost out there on multiple occasions.

Lincoln Riley could give Oregon State his entire playbook, they aren't coming close without Lincoln Riley's players. unless OSU lets them with self inflicted errors

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Happy Birthday, Kevin!

You realize, of course, that the aging process (and your perception of it) just accelerates from here on out. Buckle up, and enjoy the ride.

Go Bucks.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Haha I’m buckled. Thank you!

DCDDC's picture

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KEVIN!!!

m GO BLOW!!!

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I don't think anyone is seriously out there pumping this this stat to convince anybody that the defense was fine, actually, but it does ease concerns a little bit.

That was totally, by far, the biggest problem the defense had last season - giving up the big plays.  That was the most frustrating thing about last year's defense - they were actually not bad when not giving up big plays, but they gave up so many of them, it was ridiculous.

Class of 2010.

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moopdawg's picture

The run game was not where it was supposed to be last year, and Coach Stud takes most of the heat.  However, if I recall correctly, it did get better as the season progressed, and I thought I read that the coaching staff later decided to call less read option type plays or something like that) which helped the lineman play faster.  Can anybody confirm that?  I guess I'm asking, how much was the o-lin(e's performance affected by playcalling last season?  

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Extramedium's picture

I heard the same thing about calling fewer read options.  The line was trying to do two things at once and it clearly wasn't working very well.

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DCDDC's picture

Roger that Extra.  I heard the same thing.

m GO BLOW!!!

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Just a heads-up; if it's not already part of your daily Buckeye fix, check out this morning's Bucknuts Morning Five.  They have a great interview with G. Scott Sr. It covers a lot of interesting ground, his son, the Seahawks, Hartline, etc.  It's worth your time.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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JJBuckeye's picture

Kevin, hope you have a blessed birthday and keep up the great work. Go Bucks

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Buckeye_bob's picture

Good stuff but do we have to do another Cardale Jones vs the World story?

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