How about 2016 Wisconsin in Indy? He was stuffed. He stopped, backed off the pile, lunged, and fought his way to a first down, 5 days off of knee surgery. I had a lot of mixed feelings about JT Barrett and was never more proud that he was our QB and leader.
Don't get me wrong - I looked JT for his leadership and his commitment to the team, but just two plays after that gutsy run you see why he drove a lot of us crazy. He couldn't complete a simple pass in the flat to Dobbins.
How about our tendencies being no tendencies. We have a Qb who can run the option for a first down, second time he could pitch it to the running back, then we could run a sweep, then a running back wheel route, then use the mesh, then use your tight end, etc. The talent is there for this to occur, and the coaches have the offensive minds to make this happen. Keep the defenses guessing and show nothing on film for them to key in on in those situations. Go Bucks
Ill say this. I bitched and bitched about it but it worked the majority of the time. I’d bet the numbers prove that right at probably a 95% clip on 3rd or 4th and 3 or less. The one we remember that didn’t work was 2013 MSU with Braxton where Hyde should have gotten the rock. Then were a few that were too close for comfort: JT Michigan 2016, JT B10 title Wisconsin 2016 on a knee that had surgery 5 says prior, Cardale Oregon 2014. JT was very, very good at this. Made great reads on blocks, was patient when needed, could make a guy miss, strong enough to take a guy on, and knowing how to slither just enough.
But oh, never mind, there was the entire 2015 MSU game, not to mention the 2016 Clemson playoff game after we had 5 weeks to prepare. That’s what changed it from a blanket to a crutch. When it was not just situational, but when it became our entire offensive philosophy.
What you’d like to see is some balance. I don’t want to see like last year where we could not get 3rd and 2 with our RB. This play still has to be reliable, and yes, more reliable than a flat route or a mesh route. I think Day’s willingness to throw opens things up a bit. And after all that, dare I say, I think our new QB opens things up a bit, too. We should be able to run RB, QB, and throw for conversions on 3rd and 2. The key is the willingness to do them all, with a good mix of play calling. And you be willing to take what the defense gives you, not force feed it because “that’s what you do”.
Agree that we should be able to convert with non-QB run options. Let's not forget about that epic 4th and 1 that Day called up (great catch, Rashod) with the game on the line last year:
Should never bitch about what works, you may find out the hard way what does not.... And it isn't like UFM does not spread the ball around and that is why it worked so well, they did not know from one play to the next who would get the ball and even when they did it was still not easy to stop. 83-9.
Mesh will reliably appear in short, medium and long-yardage situations. He will tap it on 3rd and 2. He will bring it in when the running game isn't quite clicking as it should. He'll lean on it when he gets anxious. He will order it up in times of crisis. He will call it whenever he wants to. That's what play calling comfort looks like with the in-game playcalling veto now in Day's pocket.
Yeah... I can live with that.
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What you have to like about Day is he can run and teach this vs man or zone. Continuing in stride like Olave does here vs man. Stopping and settling into the soft spot of a zone like NW and Washington. And yeah, that Haskins guy was pretty good too.
Agree. But the success of those crossing routes last year had a lot to do with Haskins' ability to hit guys in stride.....something we took for granted, but shouldn't have. For all of JT's greatness, and he was great, both he and Braxton had a tendency to throw passes that guys had to adjust to and it slowed our receivers down. Haskins threw a ball you could catch in stride -- making our receivers appear to be that much faster. We're going to miss that at times this year no doubt about it.
Haskins was also not afraid to throw a ball to where he expected the receiver would be whereas Miller and especially Barrett wanted to see the receiver was there and open.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Underrated part of his accuracy was that he got the ball out in time. JT was often a half a second late in his delivery. And that makes all the difference.
It wasn't just that Haskins got the ball out in time. He also had such a quick throwing motion. He barely wound up. He just got his hand up and threw darts.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
That assumes the fourth and fifth receiver on the field are going to draw attention from - how do we put this delicately - special teams guys, smallish linebackers or mediocre corners. Here's a good example. Start watching at...really, any point in that video.
I loved Barrett, dude was tough as nails, grinder, leader. When the going got tough, he always seemed to come out on the other side with a huge play for OSU.
Not that I'm complaining about switching it up with Haskins. Dude was a baller.
But now I'm really looking forward to Fields, I think he can be the best of both.
Coach Day won't use the QB run the way Urban did. He will run a much more complex offense with no crutch. We will be in great shape because our other offensive coaches are accomplished as well.
Coach Day has an instant advantage for maybe 2 years in that teams don’t know his tendencies yet. Yes, he’s been the OC, but I feel like he’s still using from or adding to his playbook that will give defenses fits.
Also, Fields is a true dual-threat plus we have current and future studs at WR and RB. Defenses will have to play honest and not stack the box, even on 3rd and 2.
I'm thinking we may see more Kevin Wilson influence than before. Sure Day is the HC, but Wilson is the OC. OK Co-OC. But I'm thinking his roll may expand more this season. If I remember correctly from his days at Indiana that is a pretty wide open style of offense. And Fields is the guy to run a wide open offense. I can't wait to see what we're going to get this year. It's going to be good I think.
I hadn't heard Lydell Ross referred to as a "time gap" before, but it fits, as in, "he always took his time hitting the (now closed) gap." Pittman was pretty sweet in '05 though.
In my opinion, one of the great things about a Ryan Day coached Justin Fields is that he can serve as either type of a security blanket.
The problem with the QB keeper type of security blanket is that if the threat of a consistent intermediate-to-deep passing game does not exist, a top notch defense isn't really taking that much of a risk by stacking the box and daring that QB to beat them through the air. As our last appearance in the NC playoff would attest.
And of course, the problem with the mesh type of security blanket is that if the passing game isn't clicking that day, that can be a problem, too. Bringing to mind an old Woody-ism: When you put the ball in the air, three things can happen - and two of them are bad. (paraphrasing)
Fields has the size, speed and vision to be a major threat as the QB keeper type of security blanket. But he also has the arm talent to be a major threat as the mesh type of security blanket.
I can't wait to see the Day/Fields offense this season -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
I always loved JT despite being able to see his deficiencies. Tough as shit. Great leader. Everyone who begged and begged for Dwayne to take over, while I agreed he made our ceiling higher, he sure as hell made our floor lower too. As much as he'll be remembered for the throw to Mack on 3rd and 14, I won't forget that rainy Illinois game where he was so bad, Urban had to put JT back in even though the game was a blowout. I get as frustrated as anyone else with personnel decisions, but I always go back to, man those coaches spend a lot of time with those kids, in practice, in film, in the weight room...they surely know A LOT more than all of us in terms of who deserves to play.
I didn't hate JT running all those QB keepers on the read option, I hated that other teams just keyed on it and it rendered our offense useless when we needed it the most (Clemson CFP, Oklahoma 2017, PSU 2016). As athletic and quick as Justin Fields is I DO NOT want to see him run 25 keepers a game when the offense gets bogged down.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
I tho't the coldest season of a witch was going to be about-- the word for a male duck, who chilled the season before it even started. Mahalo for disappointing me.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
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2014 PSU overtime, anybody? Talk about security blanket and guts.
Indeed...two overtimes, one knee.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
How about 2016 Wisconsin in Indy? He was stuffed. He stopped, backed off the pile, lunged, and fought his way to a first down, 5 days off of knee surgery. I had a lot of mixed feelings about JT Barrett and was never more proud that he was our QB and leader.
Left zero doubt.
Don't get me wrong - I looked JT for his leadership and his commitment to the team, but just two plays after that gutsy run you see why he drove a lot of us crazy. He couldn't complete a simple pass in the flat to Dobbins.
The yin and yang of JT all heart and then struggles to throw a simple flare pass above the ankles. Simba was the play there...but not to be.
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
How about our tendencies being no tendencies. We have a Qb who can run the option for a first down, second time he could pitch it to the running back, then we could run a sweep, then a running back wheel route, then use the mesh, then use your tight end, etc. The talent is there for this to occur, and the coaches have the offensive minds to make this happen. Keep the defenses guessing and show nothing on film for them to key in on in those situations. Go Bucks
So this is what "Three Yards and a Cloud of Dust" has evolved to.
I'm in.
Go Bucks.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Great article right there!
Ramzy tapping into his inner Donovan.
Ill say this. I bitched and bitched about it but it worked the majority of the time. I’d bet the numbers prove that right at probably a 95% clip on 3rd or 4th and 3 or less. The one we remember that didn’t work was 2013 MSU with Braxton where Hyde should have gotten the rock. Then were a few that were too close for comfort: JT Michigan 2016, JT B10 title Wisconsin 2016 on a knee that had surgery 5 says prior, Cardale Oregon 2014. JT was very, very good at this. Made great reads on blocks, was patient when needed, could make a guy miss, strong enough to take a guy on, and knowing how to slither just enough.
But oh, never mind, there was the entire 2015 MSU game, not to mention the 2016 Clemson playoff game after we had 5 weeks to prepare. That’s what changed it from a blanket to a crutch. When it was not just situational, but when it became our entire offensive philosophy.
What you’d like to see is some balance. I don’t want to see like last year where we could not get 3rd and 2 with our RB. This play still has to be reliable, and yes, more reliable than a flat route or a mesh route. I think Day’s willingness to throw opens things up a bit. And after all that, dare I say, I think our new QB opens things up a bit, too. We should be able to run RB, QB, and throw for conversions on 3rd and 2. The key is the willingness to do them all, with a good mix of play calling. And you be willing to take what the defense gives you, not force feed it because “that’s what you do”.
Agree that we should be able to convert with non-QB run options. Let's not forget about that epic 4th and 1 that Day called up (great catch, Rashod) with the game on the line last year:
That freaking play always works. The throw made me nervous. About belt high and Berry booted several catchable balls earlier in the year.
That play still makes me nervous. We should have never been in that situation. It was MARYLAND. STINKIN' MARYLAND
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
I sure can't blame the offense for Maryland being in it, though. The defense was a disaster that day!
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
I've seen wet paper bags that were harder to break through
Shandy is not beer
In the time it took me to hit "reply," I think McFarland just went for another 80.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
For me that was the money play/call of the season, and it's why I'm confident in the Day regime.
That was just one h3ll of a signature on the team
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Should never bitch about what works, you may find out the hard way what does not.... And it isn't like UFM does not spread the ball around and that is why it worked so well, they did not know from one play to the next who would get the ball and even when they did it was still not easy to stop. 83-9.
Or his inner Ohio livin' Jorma Kaukonen
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Yeah... I can live with that.
What you have to like about Day is he can run and teach this vs man or zone. Continuing in stride like Olave does here vs man. Stopping and settling into the soft spot of a zone like NW and Washington. And yeah, that Haskins guy was pretty good too.
Agree. But the success of those crossing routes last year had a lot to do with Haskins' ability to hit guys in stride.....something we took for granted, but shouldn't have. For all of JT's greatness, and he was great, both he and Braxton had a tendency to throw passes that guys had to adjust to and it slowed our receivers down. Haskins threw a ball you could catch in stride -- making our receivers appear to be that much faster. We're going to miss that at times this year no doubt about it.
Haskins was also not afraid to throw a ball to where he expected the receiver would be whereas Miller and especially Barrett wanted to see the receiver was there and open.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Underrated part of his accuracy was that he got the ball out in time. JT was often a half a second late in his delivery. And that makes all the difference.
It wasn't just that Haskins got the ball out in time. He also had such a quick throwing motion. He barely wound up. He just got his hand up and threw darts.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Correct. JT, for example, had a longer arm motion.
We all know it, but I'll say it again...we have great writers at 11W and Ramzy once again delivers!
Whatever it takes, as long as it works. QB keeper, mesh, I don't care. Move the chains. Fields could be the best of both worlds. GO BUCKS!
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
Burn.
I did. I just watched that whole game! Still nice..
Fields of Dreams
I've probably watched it 35 times... and still not enough.
J.T. Barrett on the Carry
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Cold, man. Cold as hell. Loving it.
Bobbing for french fries.
JTBIV FOR PRESIDENT!
I loved Barrett, dude was tough as nails, grinder, leader. When the going got tough, he always seemed to come out on the other side with a huge play for OSU.
Not that I'm complaining about switching it up with Haskins. Dude was a baller.
But now I'm really looking forward to Fields, I think he can be the best of both.
Coach Day won't use the QB run the way Urban did. He will run a much more complex offense with no crutch. We will be in great shape because our other offensive coaches are accomplished as well.
All good stuff.
Coach Day has an instant advantage for maybe 2 years in that teams don’t know his tendencies yet. Yes, he’s been the OC, but I feel like he’s still using from or adding to his playbook that will give defenses fits.
Also, Fields is a true dual-threat plus we have current and future studs at WR and RB. Defenses will have to play honest and not stack the box, even on 3rd and 2.
I'm thinking we may see more Kevin Wilson influence than before. Sure Day is the HC, but Wilson is the OC. OK Co-OC. But I'm thinking his roll may expand more this season. If I remember correctly from his days at Indiana that is a pretty wide open style of offense. And Fields is the guy to run a wide open offense. I can't wait to see what we're going to get this year. It's going to be good I think.
m GO BLOW!!!
Man I love that bulldozing gif of Cardale. Collins goes back 5 yards.
I would too if I had Mo Clarrett and Beanie Wells. They weren't supposed to have a time gap between them....
#walkaway
I hadn't heard Lydell Ross referred to as a "time gap" before, but it fits, as in, "he always took his time hitting the (now closed) gap." Pittman was pretty sweet in '05 though.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
He was not a superstar. Nor was Antonio Pittman. And I offer them all the praise they deserve for being Buckeyes and playing their ass off.
#walkaway
Why can't we have both?
In my opinion, one of the great things about a Ryan Day coached Justin Fields is that he can serve as either type of a security blanket.
The problem with the QB keeper type of security blanket is that if the threat of a consistent intermediate-to-deep passing game does not exist, a top notch defense isn't really taking that much of a risk by stacking the box and daring that QB to beat them through the air. As our last appearance in the NC playoff would attest.
And of course, the problem with the mesh type of security blanket is that if the passing game isn't clicking that day, that can be a problem, too. Bringing to mind an old Woody-ism: When you put the ball in the air, three things can happen - and two of them are bad. (paraphrasing)
Fields has the size, speed and vision to be a major threat as the QB keeper type of security blanket. But he also has the arm talent to be a major threat as the mesh type of security blanket.
I can't wait to see the Day/Fields offense this season -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
Like last year's Purdue game. Ah,....never mind. I'd like to stay in a good mood. Good to see you posting again, Phi.
Thanks, Nutinpa.
Yeah - I thought about using that game as an example, but then I thought that disaster was on the defense, too. Lots of poor tackling.
But you're right. Let's try to stay in a good mood -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
I always loved JT despite being able to see his deficiencies. Tough as shit. Great leader. Everyone who begged and begged for Dwayne to take over, while I agreed he made our ceiling higher, he sure as hell made our floor lower too. As much as he'll be remembered for the throw to Mack on 3rd and 14, I won't forget that rainy Illinois game where he was so bad, Urban had to put JT back in even though the game was a blowout. I get as frustrated as anyone else with personnel decisions, but I always go back to, man those coaches spend a lot of time with those kids, in practice, in film, in the weight room...they surely know A LOT more than all of us in terms of who deserves to play.
I didn't hate JT running all those QB keepers on the read option, I hated that other teams just keyed on it and it rendered our offense useless when we needed it the most (Clemson CFP, Oklahoma 2017, PSU 2016). As athletic and quick as Justin Fields is I DO NOT want to see him run 25 keepers a game when the offense gets bogged down.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
DV me all you want but I think JT is on the OSU mount rushmore, up there with Archie and the others (not on Archie's level but you know)
DV me all you want but I think JT is on the OSU mount rushmore, up there with Archie and the others (not on Archie's level but you know)
Brilliant.
Simplify...
Brilliant.
edit: Damn it.
Simplify...
One for the Damn it.
m GO BLOW!!!
Mahalo, Ramzy; insightful thoughts, articulated poetically.
I tho't the coldest season of a witch was going to be about-- the word for a male duck, who chilled the season before it even started. Mahalo for disappointing me.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
I LOL'd
Shandy is not beer
That was the best 2 lines of the article. I'm still laughing about it.