This Week's Question™: Has College Football Lost Its Mojo?

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Well, there are two questions here:

HAS COLLEGE FOOTBALL LOST ITS MOJO?  No, just like the NFL isn't going anywhere. I'd have to look at the ratings, but I'm betting these are the two most popular sports in America by a large margin.

Do you recall a time when there was less buzz nationally?  Yeah, just about every offseason. It's the offseason and honestly there was a ton of national buzz about the transfer portal stuff and I've heard Phil Steele projections and playoff expansion just like I do every year. Playoff expansion is inevitable as it would be great for the game - and that will create more buzz as you will have your usual suspects coupled with some cinderella opportunities.

College football got worse with a playoff? That's a bad take, IMO.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

So I did a little research on TV ratings of playoff and BCS, and it certainly seems like the sport has only gotten more popular since we switched to a playoff, at least at the top end.  In the last 5 years of the playoff versus the last 5 years of the BCS, I averaged out the top 3 games' (playoff games for the playoff era, and title game/best two NY5 games for the BCS era) TV ratings:

Playoff: 12.72

BCS: 11.5

Does this create worse ratings for lesser games? Maybe, but I'd much rather watch more football between great teams than more football between good/average teams, and the ratings seem to suggest I'm not the only one who feels this way.  There has never been national buzz about bowl games outside the NY5 games, so that hasn't changed. What's changed is that there's probably less buzz around non-playoff NY5 games, and that's not a bad thing IMO.

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cecsix's picture

TV ratings are up, but attendance is down.  That's an entirely different conversation, though.  Overall popularity is probably about the same.  I think the playoff is an improvement, but the committee and the way participants are selected is a joke that does turn some fans off entirely.  I am always going to be a diehard like most people on this board, but the casual fan doesn't want to repeatedly watch the same group of 4-6 teams decided by what amounts to figure skating judges.  Either expand to 8 to allow all P5 champions in, or go back to the BCS.  4 makes zero sense, and that's just a common sense casual fan perspective.  

Any lack of buzz this offseason is because it looks like we're headed for Bama vs Clemson again.  Hopefully the Buckeyes will give everyone some relief from that.  

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

8 teams is good, 2 teams is good, and 4 teams makes zero sense.

Wait, what?

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I mean I don't think we should ever go back to the BCS, but 4 teams has always been a lame half-measure

Some say that 8 teams will dilute the product, but honestly there have been so many blowouts in the 4 team era that I don't buy that argument--if selecting the 4 best teams is such a crapshoot, open it up to more candidates and there's a better chance the cream will rise. Michigan State in 2015 should absolutely have been ranked ahead of Ohio State, but no one really thinks they were a better team than us. 

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

I certainly don't want to turn this into a debate over play-off system. Buuuut...I am a believer that 4 is the best thing we can do in order to preserve the regular season importance. I know it isn't a popular sentiment around here, but the committee has gotten it right every year. Yes you could make arguments that we were better than that team that year but they have gotten it correct every time. Back to why going to 8 doesn't make sense. Every year we have 1 or maybe 2 undefeated teams after the regular season and perhaps 2-4 1 loss teams. Some of the 1 loss teams lost their Conference Champ game some didn't even play in the conference game. This is the part that is hard about the 4 team format is that their is always 2 teams that feel slighted...however if those teams are honest with themselves and look in the mirror they would see why they weren't picked (don't lose by 40 to an less than average team). Now if we allow 8 teams you are talking about inviting teams with 2-3 losses into the equation. Think of how hard it is to parse out who "deserves" to be in when there are only 5-6 teams in the mix and how much more ridiculous it would be to try to figure out how this 3 loss team is better than that 3 loss team? With 3 loss teams being in the mix it really isn't important to the overall goal if we beat Michigan in November or Auburn doesn't have the chance to derail Bama's entire season anymore. So, yes it does dilute the regular season. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I agree ATL.  If you feel like you have a claim at being #1, don't put yourself in a position to be a borderline #4 or #5 team.  Teams #3 and #4 are already getting thrown a 2nd chance, so if you end up getting throttled by Purdue it's tough to say you're the #1 or #2 team in the land of nearly 130 teams.

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mr.green's picture

I’m old enough to remember a certain borderline team back in 2014...

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stxbuck's picture

That team was on the right side of the border tho.....

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Do you apply this same logic to the nfl, mlb, nba, or cbb?

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High St Heismans's picture

Atl_Buckeye72 8 JUL 2019, 4:16 PM 

I certainly don't want to turn this into a debate over play-off system. Buuuut...I am a believer that 4 is the best thing we can do in order to preserve the regular season importance.

I agree,extending the season will just see more kids sitting out to protect their interests.I don't blame them one bit either.College Administrators and Network Wonks have been milking the system to their benefit for decades

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cecsix's picture

NorCal, that’s not what I’m saying, exactly. We all know the BCS was terrible, but a 4 team playoff in a sport with 5 major leagues isn’t really an improvement. My point is, if you’re going to have a playoff, then have a real one. The way they select the teams is also stupid.  

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High St Heismans's picture

Cecsix 8 JUL 2019, 9:51 AM 

TV ratings are up, but attendance is down.

Ya because the greedy fooks are killing the goose that laid the golden egg.The days not far off when I'll be listening on the radio.If people would just stop watching for a season they'd find out how important they really are,IMO

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KetteringMike03's picture

I wish there was a thumbs up button. Playoffs mean more football and better football... unless you're Notre Dame.

BuckeyefanMike

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KetteringMike03's picture

I completely agree. We all know Bama and Clemson. They both have elite level head coaches and they win in recruiting the last few years. Of course, they will get the love and respect. However they also take care of business week in and week out. The playoffs could be expanded but why. Recruiter better, play harder, and dont loose big to Purdue.

BuckeyefanMike

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Weave77's picture

So...do you recall a time when there was less buzz nationally?

To be honest, I don't really ever remember a time when there was a buzz nationally for college football in early July.

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LCT's picture

Likewise

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mr.green's picture

Brando lives in the South. Maybe the usual  Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi buzz is missing. 

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BigTom's picture

Games are way too long.  And player free agency, whether you agree with it or not breaks the ties fans have with players.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

I never understood why people complain about games being too long?!?! We wait all year long, we follow 17 year kids on twitter to see what dumb tweet they are going to put out to give us some insight into where he might go to school, we are on a chat board in July talking football, we are drooling waiting for the season to start! Then finally it gets here and for a few months we actually get to watch it before is over in seemingly a blink of an eye. I can understand not liking if play on the field is interrupted by too many reviews and that impacts the momentum of the game. But to me, if a game runs 4 hours instead of 3 and a half I don't care, that just means more football for me!!

I agree with you about free agency!

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logamaniac's picture

I think the commercial breaks are what we are talking about games being too long.  I don't think any fan is complaining because they get too much of their favorite team but when your viewership of the team is mired in too many stoppages of play so that networks can rake in advertising dollars is where the disdain comes into play.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

too many stoppages of play so that networks can rake in advertising dollars is where the disdain comes into play

And here I thought everyone loved the "TD, commercial break, Extra Point, commercial break, Kickoff, commercial break" format

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kmp10's picture

I don't what the hell Brando is talking about. How is he gauging buzz? Here's all I know... I'm 55 and I'm anticipating the football season (college and NFL) with the same excitement I had at 15. In other words, I can't wait. I will say that the "playoff," if you can even call it that, has absolutely taken some shine off of the other bowls... but the vast majority of those bowls had no shine to begin with, so what's been lost? In November, teams usually get what they've earned. Sometimes, like with Ohio State's 2015 squad, a team that clearly belongs is left out, but had Meyer and staff not bungled the game Vs MSU, OSU would have been celebrating back to back titles. Is that college football's fault, or is it on Meyer? To me, it's the latter. Either way, the college football season is the most exciting regular season of all major sports. I mean, the NBA, NHL, MLB, and college basketball seasons, combined, don't produce anywhere even close to the intrigue and excitement that college football does. Bottom line... nothing has changed. College football is still the best, and Tim Brando is still wrong, as per normal. 

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High St Heismans's picture

Kmp10 8 JUL 2019, 8:28 AM 

I don't what the hell Brando is talking about. How is he gauging buzz? Here's all I know... I'm 55 and I'm anticipating the football season (college and NFL) with the same excitement I had at 15. In other words, I can't wait. 

Exactly - you have to grow older,not up

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I think this question may be posed to the wrong audience here. To me, if you come to 11W then you'll go out of your way to sniff out the buzz, if it's there.

I think if you asked the casual fan, then yeah, there probably isn't as much hubub as there normally is. 

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IH8UOFM's picture

Not gonna lie, the fact that there are basically already 3-4 teams penciled in for the CFP and it would almost take chaos for that to change-it's kinda irritating

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

There is only one team penciled in, that is Clemson. Alabama is gonna have a hella rough time with Texas A&M, LSU, Auburn, and UGA/UF in the SEC title game. The B1G is wide open, and Texas could easily come out of the Big 12 over OU. Who the hell knows what’s gonna happen in the PAC 12

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cecsix's picture

Bama hasn’t missed one yet, and as long as they lose once or fewer, they’re penciled in too. If a 2 loss team ever gets in. It will probably be them

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sharks's picture

College football needs a villain. Alabama? Villain. Ohio State? Villain. Clemson and southern-fried Dabo? Nah

A man got to have a code...

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analyticalguy's picture

If he continues his success, yeah, he and Clemson will become "villain."

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

July is always the CFB doldrums. Unless idle players are vying for the Fulmer Cup. Interest in the upcoming season will pick up August 1. Guaranteed.
 

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Hovenaut's picture

Not for me.

But then again I'm an Ohio State fan.

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CowCat's picture

But then again I'm an Ohio State fan.

Therein lies the truth about "buzz". If you're fan of Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Notre Dame, TTUN, Texas, Oklahoma or USC, you're pretty engaged year round. 

If you're not a fan of one of those teams, there's not that much to buzz about, unless your team is currently doing well. Think Oregon or Washington. Oregon fans have stopped buzzing after 2014. Washington fans are generally lukewarm. Below that point you have a lot of teams that are never going to get to the top stage, and their fans know it.

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Cooper's picture

The only thing I agree with is that it has become extremely top heavy, with only about 6-7 teams being realistic options for the playoffs every season.

Other than that, piss off. College football is the greatest sport in the world.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Sunny Buck's picture

Upvote for you Cooper but college football has always been a battle between 5-7 teams every season. And I agree. College football is the greatest sport in the country.

They can tarnish it, slow it down and over regulate it but it remains top dog in my book.

The only comparison to waiting for the college season to start is when a kid anticipates Christmas Day a month or two in advance. I have no idea where the idea that this football season is not highly anticipated. I believe the scandal free, relatively quiet off season may have something to do with it but people are pumped for some football. Go Buckeyes!! Lot's of fresh, new stuff to look forward to.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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Zonabuck's picture

My opinion for the last four years has been that there are only 4-5 programs overall who have all the tools necessary to win the NC in a playoff format, and only 1-2 have all the pieces line up in any given year. It takes coaching, players, development, stability, facilities and support from administration.  No other teams have the depth and commitment to roll through a two game series at the elite level and come out victorious on the other end. At this time, only Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State and Georgia have it, with Oklahoma a couple steps behind. Auburn a step behind them. TTUN has a lot to prove yet. That’s it.  That’s where your champion comes from.

And, as much as it pains me to say it, if you threw OSU in the mix at the ends of the year with a three loss Alabama, Clemson and Oklahoma teams, those are still probably the only teams capable of winning the championship, even if there’s a one loss PSU or ND out there. This isn’t March Madness, teams don’t just go on a run, and you’re not going to find a lesser school with a kid with a hot hand carry a team in a sport like this. 

Is it boring?  No, not if you go into it with the right expectations. Is it set up correctly?  Not really. There should be a lot more emphasis on rivalries and the other 90 bowl games instead of making them all out to be the “Not Good Enough Bowls”. There are great storylines everywhere. Tell them, instead of slobbering all over Alabama every year because of some promotional obligation. 

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analyticalguy's picture

There are only 90 other bowl games? Who knew?

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Zonabuck's picture

Don’t overthink it, Analyticalguy. 

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ApollosGYRO's picture

I agree with the off season not generating an exciting buzz. In years past there was that big week 1 matchup (FSU vs BAMA, LSU vs Wisconsin, Oklahoma vs Houston, OSU vs VT, etc) or there was a ton of uncertainty that made it feel like everyone had a shot at the title. This year both Clemson and Bama can lose a game and they are still going to be in the playoffs regardless and Georgia will get a pass because sec hype and Oklahoma will put up a lot of points and give up a lot of points as well and will likely get a pass again. It has a different feel this offseason like everything is already decided except for the final 2 playoff spots (bama and Clemson have a seat at the table/ Tua and Trevor for heisman) but regardless I cannot wait for fooseball to be back!

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stxbuck's picture

You are right about the playoff getting a feel of inevitability regarding who will make it. That said, expanding it isn't the answer-other teams have to step up and knock off Clemson or Bama.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Which can be really hard to do when the top recruits all want to play for the playoff teams--the rich get richer.

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ApollosGYRO's picture

Winning your conference should in my opinion get you in the playoff for the chance to compete for a national title (power 5) as opposed to a committee cherry picking which 4 they want in there that "passes the eye test" and changes the criteria every year. I agree though, teams have to beat Clemson and Bama to put a stop to this. Both teams have pretty weak schedules which almost guarantees them a spot in the playoffs. This series (Clemson vs bama) is about as dry as watching the Cavs vs the warriors every year. Unless you have a horse in the race, you are sick of the same old song and dance and the media stroking it all season long

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

I do believe that there is something to this if you are looking at a casual fan. I've always maintained that one of the big draws to college football is that there are un-provens that can be debated between fans, my team is better than your team, we play in a tougher conference, my team is obligated to play in this bowl otherwise we might have played your team and kicked your butts etc...

Now the debates are a bit more black and white...My team did play yours, my team did go out of conference for a big game etc.. When the debate gets settled then that starts cutting the losers out of the conversation. IMO it is good that we actually get to see these debates play out on the field and it is awesome but as many have already pointed out that leaves a very top heavy discussion.

There are still plenty of things to debate, don't get me wrong..The entire SEC taking week 11 off, some teams play more P5 games, and who deserves into the playoffs are always intriguing. However, listen to any college football sports talk radio and tell me you aren't sick of hearing how Jimmy from Indiana has a solution for an 47 team playoff. I love the playoffs but it boils down the debate amongst fans and strips it down to a singular argument which leads to ESPN running with the notion that it's Clemson and Alabama then everyone else because well they are at the mountain top. Do I want to see Alabama play Clemson next year....again? No...but if they are the best of the best that is okay with me. I don't think expanding the playoffs is the solution but I can understand how a USC fan may not be very interested in college football right now

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

It'll start ramping up here soon as the Media Days kickoff.  There just hasn't been a lot to talk about since late winter/spring games.  I do think there's some Bama/Clemson fatigue, especially with them returning their star QBs this year...there's not as much to argue about how great they'll be despite their losses to justify their rankings despite in Bama's case a horrid OOC schedule that they won't be penalized for.  

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Earle's picture

You want to kill CFB's mojo?  Expand the playoffs and have a bunch of 2 loss SEC teams vying for a spot.  That'll do it for sure.

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buck62's picture

Sadly you are probably right. Several people have already commented that only about 6 teams have a legitimate shot to make the playoff which is boring so expanding the playoff should help - but not if they fill the new slots with 2-loss SEC teams.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Or 3-loss SEC teams...because "SEC competition." (disregard chicken shit Saturdays of course)

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Exactly!!!  The pundants tried to do that last year

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

Only have conference champs in the playoffs. If one SEC team has two losses and wins the conference, congratulations to them for making the playoffs, all others, better luck next year. 

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2morrow's picture

I agree Earle - but have said this before.
Get rid of the committee and go back to selecting the top teams via a BCS like ranking system.
Teams are seeded by the rankings.
8 teams total.
5 Power-5 conference champions and the next three top finishers.
#1 plays #8, #2 plays #7, #3 plays #6, and #4 plays #5.
First round is played 2 weeks after the conference championship games as a home game for seeds 1-4.
Semifinal round is played within the bowl system as it is now.
Championship played as it is now.
I think the decision making needs to be taken out of the hands of the committee or like Earle says, you end up with a bunch of 2-3 loss sec teams.
 

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

Instead let a 3 loss Pac-12 team in that beat absolutely nobody?

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McGrind's picture

Have said for about two years...kids that are 5* want to play for a natty. This limits there choices to about 6 teams. It becomes a (non) virtuous loop. Clemson, Bama, GA, OSU, OK, appear in the playoff they then get a top recruiting class...rinse and repeat. 

SEC champ and ACC champ have two spots in the bag..leave everyone else for the final two. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

B1G also has a spot in the bag IF they don't have more than 1 loss and said loss wasn't by 40 to a middling conference opponent.  

We haven't seen other conference champs have those black eyes and get in either.  A close loss on the road to a perceived inferior opponent is forgivable if the game is competitive...those things happen all the time and is what makes CFB so great in my mind. Looking like you don't belong on the same field with the middling opponent is a whole different story.  

Clemson at least has A&M and USC (East) as P5 OOC opponents...that's as good as any other OOC schedules.  Their conference is just trash though and they'll run through.  That conference has really always been trash...for 2 decades it was FSU running through it with no competition. The torch just got passed. 

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Sunny Buck's picture

My bold prediction is for Miami to knock off Clemson in the ACC title game. Right? Who's with me?

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

As long as Tate isn’t winning conference championships while Fields leads Ohio State to a 9-3 season, I can get behind that

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BBQ_Fan's picture

[ Just realized I hadn't refreshed my screen in 2 hours and someone made essentially the same comment]

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Sanantonefan's picture

I think the playoff has been a double-edged sword. Although there's not as much controversy about the National Champion, it diminishes the other bowl games.

Then, as McGrind stated, the best prospects want to play for teams that play in the biggest bowl games. That means the most successful teams get the best players (for the most part), helping ensure they stay the most successful teams. It becomes a vicious cycle.

That being said, I love college football and am really excited about the season. If I were a Texas fan (I am surrounded by them), maybe not so much.

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McGrind's picture

You get bama and clemson in two more finals and they change the system...can’t support TV $$$ with a dynasty of two southeast teams from small markets. west coast football has become all but irrelevant. 

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stxbuck's picture

I'll tell you why there isn't as much buzz in CFB this year-the state of Florida is a basket case right now-all 3 local powers have internal issues out the ying yang (Miami is starting over w/ a new HC,granted), and that is throwing off the media/recruits. Throw in the fact that the flagship school in the West-USC-is on deathwatch for their HC and things are off kilter. Normally a lot of top kids in the recruiting hotbeds want to stay home for the local powers-that isn't case as much this year, although the Florida schools will never be hurting for raw talent.

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Buckeye0905's picture

My preseason interest is still there as I read 11W almost every day but I believe my excitement has waned. I believe the same has happened throughout Columbus as you do not hear as much coverage on sports radio or TV. 

This may be because I’ve picked up golf and other hobbies to preoccupy my time but it should be a more exciting time with a new coach and quarterback. 

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huffdaddy's picture

The CFP has failed, mainly because they failed to elevate strength of schedule as a factor. The deal is: undefeated and you are in. One loss Power 5 Champ and you are likely in (unless there are more than 4). Two loss - no chance. 

If they had, early on, decided to stick in some two loss teams with strong schedules, or punished teams for weak schedules, teams would have scrambled to prioritize stronger schedules, the SEC probably would have gone to 9 games, etc. 

But right now, there is just no incentive to schedule hard. Hell, I thought - three years ago - that the OSU OOC slate this year would crush playoff chances because it is so weak, but nobody cares. 

The combo of not caring about schedule, and the ACC being incredibly weak at the same time Clemson became strong, has created a world where two out of four slots are just locked down. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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ApollosGYRO's picture

Exactly! Makes no sense to schedule a big time OOC game when you can schedule Hawaii Tech University and it counts the same to the committee

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Knarcisi's picture

I’d say our SOS in 2016 got us in and the committee used this. It was 1 loss, but we did not play in or win the B10 championship. The committee uses it when convenient to support their narrative and their selections. They’ll use it again if needed. 

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buckeye phi's picture

As I'm sure most 11Wers are, I'm looking forward to the upcoming season as much as I usually do - maybe a touch more this year because of all the new elements (new head coach, new starting QB, new defensive coordinators, etc.) 

However, as a few comments have touched on above, there are only a handful of programs who realistically have a shot at an NC.  While I don't necessarily see a complete solution to that issue, I do think there is a core problem with the FBS.  It's too big.

I've been thinking for a while that the FBS should split - roughly in half.  In essence, giving the group-of-five programs a chance to compete for their own national championship. 

A couple of seasons ago, UCF claimed that they were the true national champs due to the fact they won all their games.  Now, nobody who follows the sport closely really thinks that team would have survived the grind of a full season in the B1G or the SEC unscathed, but if you win all your games you should be champions - of something.  Right?  

If we split the present FBS in two a team like that would indeed have their own championship.  That wouldn't solve every issue involved in this topic - but it would get us a little closer -

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

In European soccer, there are two big championships, the Europa League, contested by the also-rans of major leagues and the Champions League, contested by the champions, runners up, and third/fourth place teams. At the start of each season, they have something called the UEFA Super Cup where the Europa League champion plays the Champions League winner. I could see a similar thing happening with the P5 Champion playing a preseason exhibition game with the G5 champion (I know none of this will ever happen, it's just fun to think about) 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I wonder how long the powers that be can resist expansion. 

Last season could have been a potential disaster for the 4 team system if Georgia hadn't lost to LSU you better believe we would have had two SEC teams plus Notre Dame, and then 3 P5 conferences get left out. As horrible as that would be, it's the sort of thing that would finally push the conferences to revolt against the committee/4-team system. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

People are already sick of seeing Clemson and Bama in the CFP just like most people are sick of seeing the Patriots in the Super Bowl. What CFB needs are for some upsets to happen. There doesn't seem to be as many upsets as there used to be. Something like what happened in 2007 when we got into the BCS championship because all the teams ahead of us in the polls lost during the last two weeks of the regular season. Things like that would help ratings. Dynasties are fucking boring.

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LouBuck35's picture

I still get excited for the season.  Like others said, posting that question here will probably skew the response.  Recruiting is still hot, but for the average fan who doesn't follow it year round, there wouldn't be much buzz right now at all. 

It's been covered a million times, but if anything, the fan experience is what gives you pictures like the ones above.  OSU has proven (semi) immune to it thus far.  But how far will the stadium experience and ticket prices go before that ends?  Tiered pricing is great for the university's pockets, but $150-$200 per seat prices a lot of folks out immediately - myself included. 

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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kjonesATX's picture

Media days and camp starting will increase the chatter. 

I do agree, that with so few teams that seemingly have a shot at the title, it probably lessens the excitement for a lot of programs. With the playoff, there are technically more spots available at the table vs the BCS (4 vs 2), but we are in a rather unprecedented time (at least in the past 30ish years that I recall) where the powers at the top are in fully operational death star status and the talent collected is consolidated to a handful of programs.

The Pac 12 is already eliminated, essentially. I don't think any team is elite, and I see a few good teams and a bunch of mediocre teams and no way that one team comes out as a zero or one-loss champ. Likely a 2 or 3-loss champ is eliminated. 

In the Big 10, I don't see another team capable of being a zero or one-loss champ outside of the Buckeyes. Michigan is the trendy offseason pick (surprise!), but their schedule is brutal (@ Wisconsin; @ Penn St; ND, Sparty, Bucks, Iowa all at home). Losing none of those is a virtual lock to not happen, and only losing one seems unlikely. 

Big 12 is basically Texas and OU. They will likely have to play each other twice to win the conference, which means that whoever loses the regular season matchup can't lose another regular season game, and the loser of the champ game would also be likely eliminated. Basically, it wouldn't be a stretch to see them knock each other out thanks to the schedule, but I think one of them makes it.

That leaves the SEC and ACC. We know that 2 of the 3 are likely already in (Clemson, Georgia, Bama), and possibly all three, depending on how it all shakes out. They also happen to be 3 of the most talented teams in the country, so they will be given the benefit of the doubt. 

All that being said, College Football hasn't lost it's mojo IMO. These are still 18-22 year old kids, and a lot of crazy shit happens every year. There will be some massive upsets, as there almost always are, let's just hope it's not the Bucks on the road at a West division opponents stadium. Is that too much to ask?!? 

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BeatMeechigun's picture

TV ratings would suggest interest remains high. Game attendance would obviously be different as you've shown.

At $60 a ticket, $20 parking, and $5 pops plus the beverages I take to my tailgate spot or buy at Hineygate, I'm going to be making the 2.5-hr trek from NW Ohio to the Horseshoe more Saturdays than not as was the case in 2002.
At $175+ for any meaningful game plus $50 parking plus the mark-up in food, beers, and even non-alcoholic beverages, I'm picking a home game a year.
Seriously though, the cost of going to 7 home games as a couple is about equal to the cost of taking a second honeymoon to Hawaii for a week. Not to mention the gameday experience was simply better two decades ago. You might have seen a Big Bear ad on the plastic cup or program you were holding, but you didn't have to deal with the incessant interruptions from American Eagle or Nationwide looking for the "fan of the game".

TV ratings would suggest the interest remains just as high.

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mr.green's picture

Going to a game costs money. Just like going to a concert. And the Stones cost more than the Strumbellas. Staying home to watch a game is fine but you miss out on the pageantry of college football. Trade-offs. 

Re that cost: Lots of people upvote here about the high cost and upvote the guy in another post who wants to pay an assistant coach more money when he already makes 300,000. 

I pay more because it’s worth it  

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stxbuck's picture

Amen-the game day experience was better 20 years ago-even w/out beer being sold in the Horseshoe.

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earthpig's picture

We are one or two upsets away from chaos..  Last time we saw Bama they got tromped by 28..  Plus what are the chances Clemson goes undefeated?

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I can only speak for myself (obviously), but sports in general have lost their mojo with me as I have gotten older and started having children and am starting in my career. I don’t think it’s anything any particular sport has done, just a sign of growing up I guess. I will still watch every Ohio State, and Cleveland Browns game this season, but I don’t have the passion (I still do care deeply though, no mistaking that), that I once had. 

Long story short, as I have gotten older sports in general has lost its mojo, I don’t have a problem with Alabama or Clemson being favored to meet again though.

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Sanantonefan's picture

I had to choose my mojo. I was watching every football game I could, both college and NFL, and playing fantasy football. It got to the point where my wife and daughter were football widows. I know some may think that's ok, but it wasn't for us.

I made a conscious decision to go with the Bucks. I put their game times on the family calendar and devote my other time to the rest of my world. It has been great. I read about the other sporting events at work and watch highlights when I have time. My family does a lot more cool stuff together.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

That’s what I’m currently learning how to do. I’m still able to watch all of the Buckeye/Browns games, it’s the sitting around watching football all weekend and reading up on the games all week that is having to take a back seat. I’m learning how to use my time more efficiently, my commute to and from work is when I do my pregame stuff, and like you said highlights of the other games when I can.

Family comes first, then football above all else for me.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

When people talk about college football seeming top-heavy right now, the truth is that it's always been that way. But because of the changes wrought over the last 25 years with the Bowl Alliance, the BCS, and now the CFP, it's much more obvious because these top teams play each other in the postseason all the time. It's not much different than the '70s being a succession of OSU/USC Rose Bowls.

As for buzz, check back in another month. Unless you're a football-only type, hardly anyone is thinking about football in the middle of summer.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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Dillon G's picture

We don't have a playoff. We have BCS +1, and the worst version of the BCS, purely subjective, exactly as was desired to put 2 teams in the semi-final.

#walkaway

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Thank goodness, it's not a bigger field or regular season interest would take a hit.  No reason to get excited about Ohio State-Oklahoma, Ohio State-Penn State, or any CCG featuring two top 6 teams if both winner and loser are bound to make the field anyway.

Sure, there's some of us that love college basketball like I do, but I can admit that any given regular season game is near meaningless.  The must-wins all happen in March.  CFB is the one sport that has must-wins from start to finish.  Lose and you may be out (Baylor-2014, TCU-2014, OSU-2015, OSU-2018), lose twice and you are definitely toast (OSU-2017, Michigan-2016, etc. etc.).  That's the beauty of the sport.  EVERY game matters.  The Big Ten is just the conference who would rather see their network succeed with a gauntlet of games to generate tv ratings as opposed to the SEC which is willing to forego regular season ratings with fewer conference games and softer opponents to ensure 1 or 2 CFP entrants.  4 teams isn't the problem.  Unequal scheduling is.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

4 is fine, 8 would be best IMO. No issue with four though.

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

We have TBDBITL!  Maybe other schools are not pumped but anytime I can go to Ohio Stadium and listen to a TBDBITL pregame and view some Scarlet and Gray uniforms running all over the place, I’m enthused for Aug 31st and beyond. 

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Rocket Man's picture

All I know, is that college football is the sport I love the most.

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

College football is the greatest sport in the world, I’m developing a passion for the Browns that I never knew I had (although I have been a lifelong Browns fan), but even then CFB>NFL>High School Football > Any other sport 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Not in the SAB house.

Not in SouthAlabama.

Not in Columbus.

I'd say no.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Not in the SAB house.

Not in SouthAlabama.

Not in Columbus.

I'd say no.

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Rocket Man's picture

You can say that again

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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braneli's picture

Blame the targeting rules... Less violent = less excitement. Don't get me wrong, I understand why they did it. I agree sometimes, but I also see a major difference in the excitement while football is being played. Hate me if you want, but humans are a little bloodthirsty. *shrugs

"You are confined only by the walls you build yourself."

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Wargor's picture

Humans are bloodthirsty, but I don't know if that change is enough to measurably dampen the excitement.  Hasn't changed it for me, but I'll be the first to say that I'm not into blood sport, so I might not be the most representative sample of one.

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

Meh Clemson will start fading soon, they signed 15 3*'s last year.

Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.

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Knarcisi's picture

“Buzz” is a very subjective term. And yes, I don’t remember much in early July, ever. Are attendances down?  Yes, but I think that has more to do with the escalating costs of going to the game vs the conveniences of home. 

The CFP has created a divide of CFP or nothing. The big bowls frankly don’t have the same cache. And I think people are getting a little bored of Alabama and Clemson. They’ve mostly earned their  spots, but let’s face it ... Alabama gets in with a loss. And Clemson probably does too, after it breezes through a really bad ACC. And the semifinal games have not been competitive. Line up to get clubbed by Clemson and Alabama for the most part. I think we’ve had 10 semis now, and 2 have been great games - Ohio St/Alabama and Georgia/Oklahoma. Yawn. 

Maybe that has a bit to do with any perception on lack of buzz. 

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Smitty516's picture

There are several factors to consider here:

-The overall decline is more of a result of ESPN (which even though I hate them still has the strongest voice when it comes to NCAAF) propagating southern football of the SEC/ACC (which they control these conference networks). Casual fans from the rest of the country don’t give a rat’s ass about sec/acc until the playoffs, and even then it is the 2 teams of Clemson/Alabama. When you look at the TV ratings in general, they are down when it’s just the southern schools playing for the championship (I.e. Clemson/Bama, Georgia/Bama, LSU/Bama). The highest rated game is still Ohio State-Oregon, and if espn was smart, it wouldn’t isolate the B1G that holds some of the largest fan bases such as Ohio State, psu and ttun. 

Then consider the only way ESPN covers the largest fan base in the country, which is Ohio State and outside of the southern bubble, is extremely negative. Consider how they handled tattoogate and the Zach Smith situation compared to the PEDs at Clemson, this LSU recruiting problem, Miami’s issues with Shapiro, and UNC literally creating an academic department to give athletes degrees (How the hell does Roy Williams still have a job?). Consider the embarrassing way espn handled the heisman this year with Haskins. Why would we want to watch espn unless a live Ohio State game is on?

-When it comes to Columbus (and Ohio in general) the hype is still there. I’ve had several casual fans ask me how good I think Day will be, ask me my opinion of the “new qb” and if we are still going to have a good team just because I wear an Ohio State shirt/hat. I’m sure several of these conversations are happening with you guys as well. I doubt they are happening as much in south. 

-Ultimately, the lack of hype is a result of ESPN’s propaganda of sec/acc and until they figure this out, the national buzz will continue to decline.

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Zonabuck's picture

ESPN should be sanctioned for the coverage equivalent of Lack of Institutional Control. To see what we saw with OSU last year vs. the direct impact PEDs and cash-for-commitments we’re seeing in the ACC and SEC with no coverage is willful and degrades the sanctity of the sport. 

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GINNandjuice's picture

Villain of John Wick 4 revealed: SEC bagmen... I’d watch it 

All Glory is Fleeting

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Bunkerhill's picture

I personally have Alabama and Clemson fatigue. Oklahoma has been in the round of four for the last 3? years in a row. The Pac has not played a competitive game since they beat Fla State in 2014. The big ten is scoreless? since 2014. All of this adds to fatigue and burnout.

I also have New England fatigue when it comes to the NFL. They seldom lose a playoff game, the NFL sees to that.

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Guts's picture

No. Also, is it football season yet?

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lostbuckfan's picture

this season marks the 150th anniversary in college football.   I’m old enough to reminder the 100th - the 1969 season.   It was a season with such hope and expectations and great disappointment for Buckeyes.   Let’s hope this one ends better.   I was excited for that season and every bit as excited for this, and technology means I know a lot more about this one.   

At the same time, it Is hard for me to take any thread involving Mr. Tim Brando serious.   He’s the one who predicted that Alabama would blow the doors off our 2014 team.   He’s the one who sought to defend wealthy Johnny football of the SEC for selling autographs while condemning our players and university for trading trash and trinkets for tattoos.   He is a Louisiana boy with no sense of balance or integrity and no real knowledge of the game.   His idea of geographic diversity is the ACC.  

As for me, I think that Big Ten fans are looking forward to the season.   The west feels wide open - NW was a major surprise to win the west last year, and Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Purdue all expect to be stronger, and Minnesota and NW had the best close to their seasons in decades.   Any time you have a head coaching change there is plenty of excitement, and that is certainly true in Columbus but also at Maryland.    PSU, MSU and tsun all have new found hope with Urban gone.   

Go Bucks!

Lostbuckfan

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cambridgebobcat33's picture

I don’t think college football has lost anything but the talking heads in sports radio or television never discuss, especially this time of year. Like it or not Cowherd and ESPN all they talk about is The NBA free agency and NFL and they get ratings/listeners. Max deals, LeBron is all I’ve heard for a month. Once we get to mid August things will change, I think CFB has just become a more seasonal sport, not around here of course but nationally.  I do agree with the post about attendance at games, I love the horseshoe but have no desire to go because games take 4 hours. Quit stopping the clock after 1st downs, its time to kill that part of college football.

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